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Newsletter of the week[edit]

This newsletter is maintained on User:Relyk/Wiki Newsletter and might not objectively reflect what happened on the wiki.

Event Rewards Templates[edit]

While I was adding rewards for defeating bosses in the Nightmare Fractal challenge mode, it came up that the rewards do not come from the bosses themselves, but rather are given out as event rewards (from completing the event objectives). Documenting the rewards for these events required updating both the fractal page in addition to the individual item's acquisition section. This pattern extends to many of the event rewards in HoT maps, where the drop itself may list the events that reward it, but the event itself does not mention the drop (even if it is guaranteed). This seems like a gap in the wiki templates/properties and I'd like the community's thoughts on my proposal.

Create 2 new templates for event rewards/bouncy chests that you don't gain from rummaging around in the still-warm corpses of your enemies
  • rewards to specify what items are rewarded by an event(see Template:Drops):
    "This event rewards this item."
    • {{rewards|Chunk of the Solid Ocean}}
    • {{rewards|Chunk of the Solid Ocean}} (1-2)
    "This event objective rewards this item."
    • {{rewards|Chunk of the Solid Ocean|Defeat Siax the Corrupted}}
    • {{rewards|item=Chunk of the Solid Ocean|objective=Defeat Siax the Corrupted|name=Chunk}}
    Possible example:
  • rewarded by to list what events reward this item (see Template:Dropped by):
    "This is the list of events that reward this item."
    • {{rewarded by}}
    Possible example. I'm not sure what the best format would be, though:
Examples of Usage
  • rewards
    • Personal story rewards, e.g., Roots of Terror
    • Event rewards, e.g., Against the Chak Gerent meta-event, various other HoT events with guaranteed (or randomized) rewards
    • Event Objective rewards, e.g.,
      • The bosses in the Nightmare Fractal challenge mode do not drop loot directly, instead you get bouncy chests as "Event rewards" for completing the objective associated with the boss.
      • Spirit Woods (where such chests are omitted entirely).
  • rewarded by

--Floodbars (talk) 05:54, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

We don't have a template for bonus chests yet, but those gives a random item. The map meta reward is based on tier. The meta event progression rewards are more tied to the dynamic event being part of the meta event, rather than the event itself. The Story Journal stuff is covered by {{reward}} (old, bad name). The problem there is the reward is sometimes dependent on profession and the "pick-one" variation in the reward.
I'd hold off on lookup templates until we have a clear format for how the rewards are presented and where to put them. Seems more likely that we'll create a template for each reward type and at least store the reward item and reward type for presentation.--Relyk ~ talk < 07:10, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Recent change to effect-based templates[edit]

I don't know hat has happened for sure, templates such as Crippled 40px.png Crippled, Bleeding 40px.png Bleeding, etc. used to support an optional parameter to change the wording while keeping the icon (i.e. {{crippled|cripples}} would say cripples). There are examples of previous use of this convention like here. As a result, I must use {{effect icon|crippled}}[[crippled|cripples]] for editing combat abilities sections of NPCs, which is extremely long. However, I know now that it was not a result of changes to the specific templates, but something that affects the wiki as a whole. I'm unsure as to what it could be, so, if possible, please offer some insight as to why this is happening. Sythe 02:36, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles shouldn't be using the templates anywhere in prose.--Relyk ~ talk < 05:00, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. Could you elaborate please? Sythe 15:58, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
I believe Relyk means that when it's used, it should solely be in cases where you'd use the word "crippled" rather than "cripples" - e.g., "this applies crippled" rather than "this cripples" - or in list of conditions. Basically, there should be no need to ever type {{crippled|cripples}}. If I'm understanding Relyk right. Konig (talk) 16:59, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, when there is text like “Using this skill causes a bleeding, just use normal links like that to keep up the reading flow. Those templates are mostly meant for things outside of text like a list of effects a skill could have. poke | talk 17:31, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I was attempting to follow previous conventions used on the wiki as examples, i.e. Jungle Tendril#Combat abilities under abilities. From now on I'll follow your recommendations, thanks! Sythe 17:54, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
You can largely thank User:Louise for doing that to the ability section of many NPCs (and many others followed suit), but as you can see... the templates aren't meant to be used in such a fashion. I fixed that particular article since I noticed other things wrong with it, as it is now is how I, personally at least, think articles should be for that template use. Konig (talk) 19:58, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Story Instance Map[edit]

Was pondering the idea of including the map of the instances for stories/story instances. Couldn't hurt to have I was thinking, and I have at least one HoT story map(The Jungle Provides) that indicates where certain achievements start/the start is found I think. - Doodleplex 01:25, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Coordinates on the wiki[edit]

Hello guys. {{NPC infobox map}} has been up for a few weeks now, and so far I'm pretty pleased with how it's turned out. I'm now thinking about adding coordinates to the following:

  1. Locations: I'm thinking about adding the coordinates from the API to Cities, Zones (not areas at the moment), Heart NPCs (they're in the api already) and probably Points of Interest. This will be "easy".
  2. Hero challenges (related to the above): There isn't currently a neat way to pick up all of the hero challenges pages (where context = Events, NPCs, and Objects) with one semantic query, which I think should be possible. I've composed a manual list of the pages here: User:Chieftain_Alex/sandbox2&oldid=1350395. I'm not sure which direction to go. Option A: We could just stick a manual category at the bottom of the page, such as "category:hero challenges", and then move the current content of that category to "Category:Hero challenge events" (since that's what they are). Option B: Alternatively we could add a parameter to all three infoboxes along the lines of "hero challenge = y" (and only use that for challenges with map markers). I'm open to other suggestions.

Side note: there's also the complication that multiple hero challenges share one page, e.g. Statue of Melandru (hero challenge) has four on one page.

(And yeah, eventually I want to be able to give two [x,y] pairs to a query, and it'll tell me exactly what's inside the bounds.) -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 21:53, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Round two:
  • I split all the shared hero challenge pages to be one page each. This simplifies maps and dialogue. I've updated all links too afaik.
  • I chose to move "Category:Hero challenge NPCs" and "Category:Hero challenge objects" to Category:Hero challenges since the initiators for the challenge encompass everything (i.e. the total of that category should in theory be the same as the ingame total for Tyria+The Mists = roughly 253). Events are now to be found in Category:Hero challenge events. I've added the coordinates to all hero challenge NPCs and objects, but let it default to jpeg maps if available and left coordinate maps as a fallback.
Hearts and points of interest are next on my list. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:48, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Was wondering why the hero challenge pages got split... Konig (talk) 21:00, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Should I add event coordinates to the wiki too? -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 22:35, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Yes. - Doodleplex 22:39, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Events are weird - I know how to convert the "center": [ -45685.2, -13819.6, -1113 ] to coordinates = [x,y], but I have no idea what we want to do with the sphere/cylinder/poly types + their radius. I'm thinking I should still add the X/Y if there's a direct page match. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 23:37, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Okay 1900 events now have coordinates added to their infoboxes. There are about 2000 historical events in the event_details API (e.g. Mordrem invasion, Scarlet, and a further 900 events which either aren't documented or have duplicate names (e.g. rift events, an event for each rally point in verdant brink, etc) - too many to manually sort out.
The tango icons look kind of cruddy. We could do with the ingame icons from the dat. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 13:04, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Noticed two things so far: First, it appears if a .jpg map was uploaded already, like for Help U.N.I.T. find and destroy the Inquest, the coordinates do not show up. Second, the coordinates a great for events that are stationary in one place but are absolutely terrible an escort type event where they go from A to B, as I have no idea if that circle is the starting point, the end point, etc. (edit) Also coordinates don't show up at all for meta events. - Doodleplex 19:25, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

No Periods. Period?[edit]

I tried asking this before, but I think it got missed. Similar to how we don't use period in event names, can we do the same for items and effects that have periods in them such as "Ponder the Cobiah Marriner Statue." and "You can not use this skill right now." as it's much more readable without the period. - Doodleplex 22:09, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Nah, I think we should leave those as is. The difference is that events with periods are much more common than items are. It's in the api, it's in the game, and it should be listed on the wiki with a period as well. Of course, an argument could be made that we should also put periods on events to reflect their in-game nature, but that's a discussion for another day. —Ventriloquist 09:18, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
If keeping them does no harm (i.e. doesn't affect look-ups), then there's no need to go and remove the ones with periods. G R E E N E R 06:23, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Alright, I just think it looks a bit weird but if that's what seems to be accepted then I'll not poke it. - Doodleplex 06:50, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
I'd rather remove the periods, the main reason being we don't quote wikilinks and it looks bad at the end of a sentence. The other reason being that having to add the period when searching is unnatural for people. It's much easier to add the period in the alt text if needed, which is moreso easier for less common pages like Vent noted.--Relyk ~ talk < 15:17, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
To be fair most people don't type things out that far to get to the period, but I do like the above idea to just add it as alt text. - Doodleplex 19:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Request for Adminship: Doodleplex[edit]

RFA page has been created at Guild Wars 2 Wiki:Requests for adminship/Doodleplex. G R E E N E R 22:15, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

External links from item infoboxes[edit]

I think we should consider reviewing the links we provide at the moment. Example: Elonian Leather Square provides links to the following sites:

  • GW2Shinies
  • GW2Spidy
  • GW2TP

Also, are there any better options? (as example, anything with a recipe to make it could instead link to gw2efficiency) -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 21:26, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind seeing it appear under "Chat link" in the {{recipe}} template, if possible. G R E E N E R 22:05, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

The ampersand symbol[edit]

I was pondering the other day, since the ampersand or "&" symbol is currently not working right, I was wondering if for the pages that currently have them should be redirected to pages that don't have it in the name so that everybody, not just the few of us with bots, can edit/create them. Or basically, redirect anything with "PR&T" and "R&D" to "PRT" and "RD" respectively and stick the tag for technical restrictions on top. The only trick I don't know though would be how to create redirects for the pages that haven't been made yet (which is pretty much just the NPCs in Jeztar Fall), would creating a page and then moving it to the correct name (with the redirect already on the page to avoid trying to edit after moving it issues) work? I don't want to break anything hence why I haven't tried that idea myself. - Doodleplex 22:38, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Issues with ampersand and a few other symbols were supposed to be fixed around January with the update to the wiki backend. Got any examples?--Relyk ~ talk < 23:33, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
Examples of it not working? Yeah, tried to make "PR&T Mini Ooze Projection" and got the "PR" page which Alex deleted. - Doodleplex 23:36, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
If we can make a more robust version of
// Encode wiki links that might break, e.g. ampersands.
function encodeWikiElements(selector, attribute) {
  $(selector).each(function (i, element){
    var m = $(this).attr(attribute).match(/^(\/index\.php\?title=)(.*?)(&curid=.*|&action=.*)$/);
    if ((m) && ( $(this).attr(attribute).search('%') === -1) ) { $(this).attr(attribute, m[1] + encodeURIComponent(m[2]) + m[3]); }
we could stick it in the common.js -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 00:17, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
breaks on rollback links at the moment. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 00:27, 28 March 2017 (UTC)