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What happened to Filter tables?[edit]

Maybe I'm one year to late, but I'm just curious what happened to User talk:Chieftain Alex/Archive 15#Filter tables. It would definitely help to overhaul the Attribute combinations page, somehow like this: User:Tolkyria/Sandbox4. --Tolkyria (talk) 18:15, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

I was simply asking if there was a need for them, and since there wasn't much by way of responses, I thought it wasn't worth looking into. I literally got to the stage of thinking "would this be useful?" without any implementation plan.
I've picked a random JS library and set up a superbad example using Widget:Test in my sandbox. (This particular library forces you to specify the id for each table, and the options you want - without giving it the options, the appearance is even clunkier). If we wanted a simpler appearance, like at the top of Widget:Achievement table then maybe we can sort something out. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Lol that widget is waaayy too big. I'll take a look at or something else more lightweight. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:14, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
I vote we just have a PvE/WvW table and a PvP table beneath it. --Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:19, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Nice, thanks for looking into it. My approach to this topic was [1] where even multiple categories are allowed. Not sure if this works on the wiki --Tolkyria (talk) 19:21, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Added Widget:Test to User:Tolkyria/Sandbox4 to get a first impression. My first User:Tolkyria/Sandbox4#Idea was actually the other way around, clicking a button shows only this category , for example only Power as Major attribute, clicking a second button adds the second category with OR, for example Precision as a Major attribute, hence showing Maurauder and Commander (Edit: Sorry, that's AND, actually the result should be the prefixes from Berserker's up to Marshal's and Captain up to Seraph --Tolkyria (talk) 14:01, 18 October 2018 (UTC)). So I'm not sure if exclude (current widget) or include (my idea) is better. PS: Show all shows the hidden sort category from the {{yes}} and {{no}}, but this can be fixed later. --Tolkyria (talk) 10:46, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
It's okay to say it; I built the widget the wrong way around. I was watching a film at the time. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 17:07, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Currently, the filters are connected with AND, which after trying it seems fine to me; and not as I suggested before with OR. Intuitively, an button should be ON/OFF, is this possible? For example reseting the selection just because of one wrong click seems a little bit harsh. --Tolkyria (talk) 17:56, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
It's surprisingly much more awkward to code than a simple "apply stuff sequentially or reset" ui. (Currently rows default to hidden, it adds a CSS class when you load the page/reset to show every row, and for each non-matching element it removes the class). -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 18:11, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Okay got it sussed. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 18:25, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Perfect, thanks! Now I'll just need to find a way to differentiate major and minor attributes, line break helps but <small> leads to unclickable text. --Tolkyria (talk) 18:36, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Not anymore. Images now work too. (edit: and now optimised) -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 18:57, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Should we still go for seperated PvE+WvW and PvP tables or should we join them with the filters PvE, WvW, PvP? --Tolkyria (talk) 19:30, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

I think that now we have the filters working nicely, they should be okay. I'm really happy with how this has turned out so far. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:42, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Indeed :). Even the table with the added PvP Builds at Attribute combinations looks nice. The release icons in the column Release might be an option to reconsider, but they produce some wierd spacings... Nevertheless enough done for today. --Tolkyria (talk) 20:34, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
I picked up some very positive initial feedback when I shared your work on the wiki discord btw, great job. Added some label options. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 21:15, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Well, I have to bother you again. I added a second table for 1 and 2 attributes, again with filters, and split them with an parameter id for the tableid from the widget. Unfortunately the buttons from the first table are stuck after one usage. The first click filters and turns the button dark grey, the second click removes the filter, but the buttons stays dark grey; and now the button can't be clicked anymore, unless the reset button Show all is used. Strangely it appears only at the first table. The second table is fine. I hope my explanation doesn't sound to weird. --Tolkyria (talk) 12:09, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Edit: Now really my last request: The labels definitely need to be in a box, simple plain text doesn't fit into the whole environment. I would suggest less border-radius and a different background-color. --Tolkyria (talk) 14:57, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for testing this to find bugs for me to fix :)
I forgot to specifically bind the click events to each individual table... previously when you added the second widget call, it bound a second set of events to the buttons on the first table, such that every time a button was un-clicked it was clicked twice (reverting to the unclicked, and then back to the clicked state).
I didn't like any of my tests with the coloured labels, so I've kinda matched the styles from the MediaWiki fieldset-legend-buttons (used on RecentChanges) -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 17:36, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Moved over to native buttons. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 18:18, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
I really like the Table filter options: box. The box seperates the buttons and labels from just being plain text. Hence my Edit claim from above doesn't hold anymore. Native buttons are fine. They look more professional than the round corner buttons with bold font. --18:31, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Usage 2[edit]

Thinking of where else we can use this widget, I'm thinking that List of weapon sets would be a good candidate for filter tables too. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 15:22, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

This, somehow User:Tolkyria/Sandbox4? --Tolkyria (talk) 15:49, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
I was thinking we could forget the whole column of ticks and crosses thing, and just have the filter buttons+classes. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 15:50, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Somehow like this now? Strangely there are some filter words that turn the row background color into something else, here the pink row is caused by skin. --Tolkyria (talk) 15:57, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Well not really "strangely", "skin" is one of the keywords from Guild Wars 2 Wiki:Color schemes. Pretty much, yeah like that. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 16:19, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Sounds legit. Table is ready at User:Tolkyria/Sandbox4, the table style is not the best and some of the rarities might need to be corrected. Feel free to take it, if you want. --Tolkyria (talk) 17:49, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Two weapons != set[edit]

If that's so, why would you restore Stronghold of the Faithful weapons? Having everything in a single page was fine. Also, raid standalone weapons was a better name, because raid weapons would by definition cover White Mantle weapons and other non-standalone weapons dropping across raids as well, since they're "raid weapons" too. Anyway, check this discussion.--Lon-ami (talk) 16:31, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Quit whining, get on discord and get up to speed with the plan! -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 16:33, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
So, you just deleted Category:Lightward's weapons, because it only had 2 articles, but now you make a new category, Category:Battle for Lion's Arch weapon skins, with 2 articles, which by the way, none of those 2 are skins, they're both exotic weapons.
The talk pages are there for something, so discussion is properly recorded and everyone can see it, and Discord SHOULD NOT be a replacement, specially because anyone can come in 2 months and remake everything, without noticing the whole conversation you had in the discord.
There's a discussion here: Talk:List of standalone weapons#Purpose and definition of standalone weapons, use it.--Lon-ami (talk) 18:06, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Alex, no one is obligated to get on Discord to discuss wiki edits. Lon-ami has placed a discussion on a relevant talk page and you can discuss there. Also the next time you block someone you're arguing with without a clearly defined reason, you're losing sysop tools.
Lon-ami, no more making or editing pages/categories related to this matter until the discussion is complete and settled to everyone's satisfaction, please. - Tanetris (talk) 18:34, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Tanetris, I once banned my best friend on the wiki for a year, that one I regret. A ban for 2 hours means absolutely nothing to me. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 23:50, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Charged Quarz Crystal as a recipe[edit]

If putting things into the Mystic Forge counts as a recipe, why doesn't making a Charged Quartz Crystal? It is not the same as trading to an NPC for a collection. If you know a better way to make Charged Quartz Crystal have its value calculated in the recipe cost lookup, then please let me know. --Vm0d (talk) 00:21, 26 October 2018 (UTC)-- 00:21, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

So you're suggesting its like a refinement recipe, where one material goes in, and one comes out, just without a discipline.
If the purpose of the edit is purely to get the output of the recipe lookup working differently, then I don't think that using the recipe template is the right way to do it. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:26, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Excellent work. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:53, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Experience from Hero Challenges[edit]

I thought I recalled not getting experience from commune hero challenges while keyfarming, but today I tried:

  • Level 2 character at Earthen Magic commune hero point.
  • Level 80 character at Earthen Magic commune hero point.
  • Level 20 character at Morgan's Orchid consumable item hero point.
  • Level 80 character at some Path of Fire commune hero point.

All of them received experience.—Karob • 22:25, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Oh weird, how about combat ones? -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 22:53, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Rabbit holes and cans of worms[edit]

Sometimes I toss people down rabbit holes to encourage them to explore new ideas and see what's possible. Sometimes a rabbit hole turns out to be filled with worms. Whoops. G R E E N E R 22:23, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

and each worm is labelled "Worm (Power)", "Worm (Precision)",...
No worries, since cosmetic auras aren't really of interest to me I had never looked at how the pages were structured before today. I'll probably finish these pages off before going back to the polys and moving the images. - I was having trouble figuring out which pages the links needed fixing from, but this should be simpler with less pages. - 23:50, 12 November 2018 (UTC)