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What happened to Filter tables?[edit]

Maybe I'm one year to late, but I'm just curious what happened to User talk:Chieftain Alex/Archive 15#Filter tables. It would definitely help to overhaul the Attribute combinations page, somehow like this: User:Tolkyria/Sandbox4. --Tolkyria (talk) 18:15, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

I was simply asking if there was a need for them, and since there wasn't much by way of responses, I thought it wasn't worth looking into. I literally got to the stage of thinking "would this be useful?" without any implementation plan.
I've picked a random JS library and set up a superbad example using Widget:Test in my sandbox. (This particular library forces you to specify the id for each table, and the options you want - without giving it the options, the appearance is even clunkier). If we wanted a simpler appearance, like at the top of Widget:Achievement table then maybe we can sort something out. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Lol that widget is waaayy too big. I'll take a look at https://stackoverflow.com/questions/35770982/how-to-make-dropdown-list-filter-for-a-table-using-jquery or something else more lightweight. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:14, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
I vote we just have a PvE/WvW table and a PvP table beneath it. --Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:19, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Nice, thanks for looking into it. My approach to this topic was [1] where even multiple categories are allowed. Not sure if this works on the wiki --Tolkyria (talk) 19:21, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Added Widget:Test to User:Tolkyria/Sandbox4 to get a first impression. My first User:Tolkyria/Sandbox4#Idea was actually the other way around, clicking a button shows only this category , for example only Power as Major attribute, clicking a second button adds the second category with OR, for example Precision as a Major attribute, hence showing Maurauder and Commander (Edit: Sorry, that's AND, actually the result should be the prefixes from Berserker's up to Marshal's and Captain up to Seraph --Tolkyria (talk) 14:01, 18 October 2018 (UTC)). So I'm not sure if exclude (current widget) or include (my idea) is better. PS: Show all shows the hidden sort category from the {{yes}} and {{no}}, but this can be fixed later. --Tolkyria (talk) 10:46, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
It's okay to say it; I built the widget the wrong way around. I was watching a film at the time. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 17:07, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Currently, the filters are connected with AND, which after trying it seems fine to me; and not as I suggested before with OR. Intuitively, an button should be ON/OFF, is this possible? For example reseting the selection just because of one wrong click seems a little bit harsh. --Tolkyria (talk) 17:56, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
It's surprisingly much more awkward to code than a simple "apply stuff sequentially or reset" ui. (Currently rows default to hidden, it adds a CSS class when you load the page/reset to show every row, and for each non-matching element it removes the class). -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 18:11, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Okay got it sussed. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 18:25, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Perfect, thanks! Now I'll just need to find a way to differentiate major and minor attributes, line break helps but <small> leads to unclickable text. --Tolkyria (talk) 18:36, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Not anymore. Images now work too. (edit: and now optimised) -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 18:57, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Should we still go for seperated PvE+WvW and PvP tables or should we join them with the filters PvE, WvW, PvP? --Tolkyria (talk) 19:30, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

I think that now we have the filters working nicely, they should be okay. I'm really happy with how this has turned out so far. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:42, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Indeed :). Even the table with the added PvP Builds at Attribute combinations looks nice. The release icons in the column Release might be an option to reconsider, but they produce some wierd spacings... Nevertheless enough done for today. --Tolkyria (talk) 20:34, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
I picked up some very positive initial feedback when I shared your work on the wiki discord btw, great job. Added some label options. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 21:15, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Well, I have to bother you again. I added a second table for 1 and 2 attributes, again with filters, and split them with an parameter id for the tableid from the widget. Unfortunately the buttons from the first table are stuck after one usage. The first click filters and turns the button dark grey, the second click removes the filter, but the buttons stays dark grey; and now the button can't be clicked anymore, unless the reset button Show all is used. Strangely it appears only at the first table. The second table is fine. I hope my explanation doesn't sound to weird. --Tolkyria (talk) 12:09, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Edit: Now really my last request: The labels definitely need to be in a box, simple plain text doesn't fit into the whole environment. I would suggest less border-radius and a different background-color. --Tolkyria (talk) 14:57, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for testing this to find bugs for me to fix :)
I forgot to specifically bind the click events to each individual table... previously when you added the second widget call, it bound a second set of events to the buttons on the first table, such that every time a button was un-clicked it was clicked twice (reverting to the unclicked, and then back to the clicked state).
I didn't like any of my tests with the coloured labels, so I've kinda matched the styles from the MediaWiki fieldset-legend-buttons (used on RecentChanges) -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 17:36, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Moved over to native buttons. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 18:18, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
I really like the Table filter options: box. The box seperates the buttons and labels from just being plain text. Hence my Edit claim from above doesn't hold anymore. Native buttons are fine. They look more professional than the round corner buttons with bold font. --18:31, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Usage 2[edit]

Thinking of where else we can use this widget, I'm thinking that List of weapon sets would be a good candidate for filter tables too. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 15:22, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

This, somehow User:Tolkyria/Sandbox4? --Tolkyria (talk) 15:49, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
I was thinking we could forget the whole column of ticks and crosses thing, and just have the filter buttons+classes. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 15:50, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Somehow like this now? Strangely there are some filter words that turn the row background color into something else, here the pink row is caused by skin. --Tolkyria (talk) 15:57, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Well not really "strangely", "skin" is one of the keywords from Guild Wars 2 Wiki:Color schemes. Pretty much, yeah like that. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 16:19, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Sounds legit. Table is ready at User:Tolkyria/Sandbox4, the table style is not the best and some of the rarities might need to be corrected. Feel free to take it, if you want. --Tolkyria (talk) 17:49, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Two weapons != set[edit]

If that's so, why would you restore Stronghold of the Faithful weapons? Having everything in a single page was fine. Also, raid standalone weapons was a better name, because raid weapons would by definition cover White Mantle weapons and other non-standalone weapons dropping across raids as well, since they're "raid weapons" too. Anyway, check this discussion.--Lon-ami (talk) 16:31, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Quit whining, get on discord and get up to speed with the plan! -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 16:33, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
So, you just deleted Category:Lightward's weapons, because it only had 2 articles, but now you make a new category, Category:Battle for Lion's Arch weapon skins, with 2 articles, which by the way, none of those 2 are skins, they're both exotic weapons.
The talk pages are there for something, so discussion is properly recorded and everyone can see it, and Discord SHOULD NOT be a replacement, specially because anyone can come in 2 months and remake everything, without noticing the whole conversation you had in the discord.
There's a discussion here: Talk:List of non-set weapons#Purpose and definition of standalone weapons, use it.--Lon-ami (talk) 18:06, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Alex, no one is obligated to get on Discord to discuss wiki edits. Lon-ami has placed a discussion on a relevant talk page and you can discuss there. Also the next time you block someone you're arguing with without a clearly defined reason, you're losing sysop tools.
Lon-ami, no more making or editing pages/categories related to this matter until the discussion is complete and settled to everyone's satisfaction, please. - Tanetris (talk) 18:34, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Tanetris, I once banned my best friend on the wiki for a year, that one I regret. A ban for 2 hours means absolutely nothing to me. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 23:50, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Charged Quarz Crystal as a recipe[edit]

If putting things into the Mystic Forge counts as a recipe, why doesn't making a Charged Quartz Crystal? It is not the same as trading to an NPC for a collection. If you know a better way to make Charged Quartz Crystal have its value calculated in the recipe cost lookup, then please let me know. --Vm0d (talk) 00:21, 26 October 2018 (UTC)--99.53.70.66 00:21, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

So you're suggesting its like a refinement recipe, where one material goes in, and one comes out, just without a discipline.
If the purpose of the edit is purely to get the output of the recipe lookup working differently, then I don't think that using the recipe template is the right way to do it. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:26, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For adding the Felix Omni High Quality Editing Barnstar - Felix Omni 19:44, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Excellent work. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:53, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Experience from Hero Challenges[edit]

I thought I recalled not getting experience from commune hero challenges while keyfarming, but today I tried:

  • Level 2 character at Earthen Magic commune hero point.
  • Level 80 character at Earthen Magic commune hero point.
  • Level 20 character at Morgan's Orchid consumable item hero point.
  • Level 80 character at some Path of Fire commune hero point.

All of them received experience.—Karob • 22:25, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Oh weird, how about combat ones? -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 22:53, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I also received experience from combat hero points.—Karob • 15:59, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Rabbit holes and cans of worms[edit]

Sometimes I toss people down rabbit holes to encourage them to explore new ideas and see what's possible. Sometimes a rabbit hole turns out to be filled with worms. Whoops. G R E E N E R 22:23, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

and each worm is labelled "Worm (Power)", "Worm (Precision)",...
No worries, since cosmetic auras aren't really of interest to me I had never looked at how the pages were structured before today. I'll probably finish these pages off before going back to the polys and moving the images. - I was having trouble figuring out which pages the links needed fixing from, but this should be simpler with less pages. -94.15.17.49 23:50, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Infusion craft table TP buy/sell[edit]

Hey, I saw you recently changed all the infusion pages to have a new convert/tp table. I was just wondering if you could edit it so it has both a trading post buy order and trading post sell order value, as was the case in the old infusion comparison templates. At least I used it a lot to have a quick overview of them. User Judas Sig.pngudas 16:08, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Kinda has that already when you hover over it, like every other trading post price on the wiki. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 18:06, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
Ah interesting I never realised that. I guess that will do as well, although at the expense of not having a quick overview and comparison. User Judas Sig.pngudas 21:48, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Restore request[edit]

Can you restore these pages and move them to my user space?

  • [[Belinda's Greatsword (Imbued)]] to [[User:Lon-ami/Skins/Belinda's Greatsword (Imbued)]].
  • [[Fargate Opener (skin)]] to [[User:Lon-ami/Skins/Fargate Opener (skin)]].
  • [[Godskull Harpoon Gun (historical)]] to User:Lon-ami/Skins/Godskull Harpoon (skin).
  • [[Grimward (historical)]] to [[User:Lon-ami/Skins/Grimward (historical)]].

Thanks.--Lon-ami (talk) 20:07, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Changed one of the move destinations due to recent finds.--Lon-ami (talk) 16:20, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Added two more. I could re-create them right now with no problems, thanks to caches and archives, but I'd rather have them restored+moved instead to keep the history, specially when more users were involved.--Lon-ami (talk) 14:07, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Having them in userspace defeats the purpose of regulating the mainspace's content. Konig (talk) 23:11, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Until we reach the end of the discussion on the community portal, I'm with Doodle for the moment. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 23:51, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
That works for the first and the second, which were datamined, but the third and the fourth are historical and should have no problems whatsoever. They aren't even related to the unimplemented content conversation.--Lon-ami (talk) 13:08, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Honestly, just the skin is historical, and it used the same chat links, so IMO those images should just be put in trivia of their weapon/skin - which is already done. They don't need separate pages. Konig (talk) 23:45, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Historical weapons aren't the problem here so I've restored and moved those, the ones that i'm expressing hesitation over are the possibly-unimplemented ones. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 00:59, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Wintersday achievements[edit]

I started a discussion on Talk:The Wondrous Workshop of Toymaker Tixx which nobody responded to yet, but the gist is: things have been handled differently for Halloween, it seems. [[Shadow of the Mad King (2017 achievements)]] was edited to include the new 2018 achievements and is treated as recurring content. All holidays from last year on re-use the same achievement category in-game, with new achievements being added for new content. While I don't mind reverting my edits on [[The Wondrous Workshop of Toymaker Tixx (2017 achievements)]] (when I made them, I was unaware of the new [[The Wondrous Workshop of Toymaker Tixx]] page), that doesn't fix the issue of inconsistency. If [[The Wondrous Workshop of Toymaker Tixx]] is to become the one page for that category that is edited every year, [[The Wondrous Workshop of Toymaker Tixx (2017 achievements)]] should not exist (as this practice began last year, not this one). [[Shadow of the Mad King (2017 achievements)]] could also perhaps analogously be renamed to remove the 2017 tag, with the original [[Shadow of the Mad King (achievements)]] being retagged "historical achievements" or just "historical". I would rather not do those things without discussion, though. – Cricket 14:11, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Nobody replied probably because the achievement layout (and your description of it) are very confusing. I'll take a look though. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 16:49, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
Okay so I discussed Wintersday achievements on discord:
  • All old achievement categories for 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015 got renamed and are still visible in the Historical section of the UI
  • All achievements from 2016, 2017 and 2018 are in the Festival category -- players who completed them last year cannot repeat these this year. This means we should merge the 2016, 2017 and 2018 pages.
  • Wintersday Traditions contains Annual achievements (No AP, can be repeated each year) + some infinite achievements (AP capped)
This means I was incorrect when I reverted your edits to the 2017 page. I'll try and sort this out now. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 17:53, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
Some ugly history merges carried out, but all the content should now be correct. The Wondrous Workshop of Toymaker Tixx has subheadings to indicate the achievements added in later years. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 18:22, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
Applied the same to Halloween achievements:
  • Moved the 2012 version from (achievements) to have the (2012 achievements) suffix
  • Moved the 2017+ version to (achievements) and modified the page to identify which individual achievements were added in 2018.
-Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:13, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
Sorry for being confusing about it and thank you for fully investigating and handling the issue. Also thank you for bringing my attention to the fact that the wiki has a Discord server, that seems like an easier avenue of discussion than talk pages. – Cricket 22:38, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
No need to apologise, I got the gist of it eventually! By the end all the links above were red (all moved/deleted) so I knew your description must have been fine. :) Glad I was able to help. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 00:04, 16 December 2018 (UTC)