Guild Wars 2 Wiki talk:Community portal

Making the content page the talk page[edit]

Hi folks, I've moved the latest topics to Guild Wars 2 Wiki:Community portal, such that we can discuss this on the gw2w page instead of the gw2wtalk page. -Chieftain Alex 11:51, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Spanish /wiki link doesn't work[edit]

Linking from the game using /wiki with Spanish UI doesn't work. For example https://wiki-es.guildwars2.com/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=%5B%26AgHZWQAA%5D does not link to the corresponding article es:Pico de minería de oricalco. It works for French UI, seems to have same problem in German UI as well. --Voidvector (talk) 22:14, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

I think it's because they're missing "MediaWiki:ChatLinkSearch.js" or something similar to it. Once that page exists there, then links should work. The German one does work somewhat by the way, it just doesn't seem to autodirect(unless it's just my browser). - Do_odleplex 22:42, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

In May we were contacted by a French administrator about something like that and after investigating this discovered that MediaWiki changed the value of an InterWiki-related variable during an update. If I remember correctly it was related to redirects and I was able to change it. This may explain this behavior? If an admin of those wikis can look into, it'd be great, otherwise I'll do it whenever I can. --Stephane Lo Presti talk 22:47, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Looking at the german wiki, it appears that their de:Mediawiki:Common.js has a bug where it sometimes tries to load a mediawiki core script before its ready (hence sometimes succeeds, sometimes not). The offending lines appear to be:

if(mw.config.get('wgPageName') == 'Spezial:Suche') {
    mw.loader.load(mw.util.wikiScript('index') + '?title=MediaWiki:Chatcode-Suche.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');
};

if(mw.config.get('wgCanonicalSpecialPageName') === false) {
    mw.loader.load(mw.util.wikiScript('index') + '?title=MediaWiki:Chatcodes.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');
    mw.loader.load(mw.util.wikiScript('index') + '?title=MediaWiki:Handelsposten-Preise.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');
}

this could easily be fixed by replacing them with

if(mw.config.get('wgPageName') == 'Spezial:Suche') {
    mw.loader.load('/index.php' + '?title=MediaWiki:Chatcode-Suche.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');
};

if(mw.config.get('wgCanonicalSpecialPageName') === false) {
    mw.loader.load('/index.php' + '?title=MediaWiki:Chatcodes.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');
    mw.loader.load('/index.php' + '?title=MediaWiki:Handelsposten-Preise.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');
}

Additionally I also caught an instance of this bug. -Chieftain Alex

00:16, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

I didn't actually try to look at the JS console. It would appear, there is a bug in Spanish version's es:MediaWiki:Common.js as well - hookEvent has been deprecated. Not sure if it is the only bug. --Voidvector (talk) 02:20, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Although my javascript knowlewdge is almost null, I added the Spanish ChatLinkSearch.js file and translated it as much as I could to match the spanish properties. Now chat links from the spanish in-game interface seems to work, but I didn't even added the InterwikiSearchRedirect.js so I'm not sure if that's needed. Please let me know if there is something wrong with the code on the spanish one or it needs to be changed. I also noticed a lot of functions on MediaWiki:Common.js that maybe they're not needed anymore, but again I have no clue of javascript so I can't know. -

Saelyth / Aens Windstorm Talk 07:04, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Hey Sayeth. I've added my suggestions for the spanish wiki over at es:MediaWiki discusión:Common.js. (You are correct that interwiki search redirect isn't needed, it's just to push language traffic over to the other language wikis from ingame). -Chieftain Alex

10:16, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the clean up, Cheiftain Alex, I updated it with the suggested changes. -

Saelyth / Aens Talk 12:21, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

German wiki should now also work correctly, I fixed that intermittent bug. --Tera (talk) 13:04, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Nice thanks to you both. The only remaining bug I can see is on the french wiki, where the initial chatlink search works, but if you press back then it doesn't display the name of the item, because one line is missing: $(span).fadeIn(1000).appendTo(listItem);, which should be added above the "} else {" on line 127. -Chieftain Alex

16:19, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you all for the effort, now I can use /wiki w/o fiddling with the chat. --Voidvector (talk) 07:59, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Removal of warning[edit]

Howdy folks. By now I'm sure you're all familiar with the warning that comes up when a user is trying to upload a file in a different format, but the same name. This was mostly created to avoid users uploading two identical files, but under two different formats. However, this warning does more harm than good; I've already seen several users struggling to understand why this is happening, thinking they are doing something wrong, when in reality it's supposed to help them. Sure, they can just click "ignore warning" and continue with the upload, but for most first timers, it's enough to ward them off from further uploading, thinking they somehow messed up their very first contribution to the wiki. —Ventriloquist 18:28, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps the warning could be worded differently to make it less scary? Like maybe instead of "A file with this name exists already, please check File:<file name>.jpg if you are not sure if you want to change it" perhaps "A file with a similar name already exists. To avoid potential duplicate images, please check File:<file name>.jpg to see if change is needed. If no change is needed, ignore this notice" or something like that? - Do_odleplex 18:36, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree with the thought Doodle is presenting, but I'd ask that the length of that warning be shorter. I can guarantee you that probably half the people seeing that text will stop after `A file with this name exists already`. People are lazy and don't like to read. I'm not sure how I'd reword it personally, but I'd try to accentuate maybe along the lines of `A similar filename exists for <filename>.<otherextension>. In order to avoid duplicates please confirm these are not the same images; if not ignore this warning`.

Basically I want to remove the stress on `file already exists, don't upload kthx`, and shift it to `there may be a duplicate <here>`. Might just be me being picky about things; but I know how quickly the text `warning` and `error` make people stop reading and assume they can't do anything further. -Darqam 19:00, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Good suggestions. Maybe Greener could come up with something, since he's good at that. —Ventriloquist 19:02, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Just because it wasn't super obvious to me which mediawiki message page you guys wanted to tweak, we're talking about MediaWiki:Fileexists-extension right? screenshot. --Chieftain Alex

19:16, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

That's the one I had in mind, although I didn't remember that it had a preview in there. -Darqam 19:27, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Comments requested regarding information regarding alternate accounts[edit]

Hi. At Talk:Account#Alternate accounts section there is a discussion about whether we should include information about alternate accounts. Additional opinions would be appreciated. Karra Archflare (talk) 20:40, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

For those wondering what I am doing right now?[edit]

I am working on reducing the load time and entry numbers on the wanted page by fixing some spelling mistakes and unifying some of the example stuff to one entry --Doctor Refrence (talk) 20:13, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

can't find Vault of the Khan-Ur[edit]

I am finding it impossible to locate the entrance to the Vault of the Khan-Ur. I cannot jump onto the mountain with the springer at any point. HELP>>>

Hi, did you try to follow the guide on Gauntlet of the Khan-Ur? The part above the spoiler should lead you to the vault door. Let me know if you need further assistance! (I could also show you in-game if you're on EU.)

talk 19:54, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

I don't think this is the proper venue, but here you go: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vault_of_the_Khan-Ur The entrance is at ground-level; no need for a Springer. Inculpatus cedo (talk) 23:50, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Death by flying too high[edit]

Has anyone else died from flying their Griffon or skyscale too high?

So I was in verdant brink and had just failed at beating the legendary patriarch wyvern. I've only had my Griffin for a week so I decided to take advantage of being up in the canopy to practice flying with my Griffon. I was doing the Bunny Hop technique somebody had mentioned in the GW2 fb group and I got really really high. Then I got the message that says "you are now leaving the playable area please return or you will die" and then I died and fell out of the sky.

I decided to bring this up on the map chat and someone was like well that's the first I've heard of that! Another person was like this needs to be an achievement since you get one for killing yourself and the boiling sea, and it should be called Icarus's Folly!!! then both of those people proceeded to try and kill themselves by flying too high but they could not succeed. 😹😹😹😹😹 Junedeer.7892 (talk) 01:34, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

There's a big box around every map, usually you can't get to it. It's particularly accessible in Verdant Brink + in Bloodstone Fen (to the south). I've achieved the same in the west of Dredgehaunt Cliffs but that was due to an old terrain bug... If you want to add a note to summarise this, I'd probably stick it in a new "Notes" section on Zone, between the bottom table and the "see also" -Chieftain Alex

08:13, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

What happened to most gallery pages?[edit]

← moved to Guild Wars 2 Wiki:Reporting wiki bugs#SMW galleries appearing as a column

Adding video files to legendary items?[edit]

I recently noticed some legendaries have GIFs (or possibly videos) of some of the effects of legendary weapons. I was already planning on making photos for Aurene's Argument since it has none at the moment, but thought maybe short videos would be better for some of the effects like draw/stow fx or if something has any moving parts that aren't easily shown in still images? I'm also no audio editor but was curious on whether y'all would appreciate audio files for their unique SFX, notably draw/stow. For example, Sharur has a very unique and distinct sound at night.

If this isn't something y'all are interested in I'll still go ahead and try to get photos for Aurene's Argument but yeah, let me know! Gulstab (talk) 01:00, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Wiki enabling videos is a topic we've been working on for a while and I believe it's been considered before. Currently however on the wiki they're disabled if I recall correctly. Sunlion (talk) 02:34, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Guild Wars 2 Wiki:Requests for technical administration#Requests being considered by ArenaNet. When we requested that, we soon after got hit by a tidal wave of poor wiki performance. Performance is much improved recently, maybe this is something we can take another look at. -Chieftain Alex

18:58, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

To potentially slow down the wiki again? If we take a look at Special:MediaStatistics, we can see that ~32,000 .png icons take as much space as ~400 .gif files (honestly, those could be cleaned up too, we don't need 10 gifs for one cosmetic infusion), and now compare this to actual video files.

I prefer a fast and usable wiki, videos can always be viewed on youtube where the youtube search link is created with the template {{youtube}}. --Tolkyria (talk) 20:27, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

As someone who doesn't know how this works, would embedding a video from say, YouTube, be any different from directly uploading the video to the wiki in terms of how it would affect overall wiki performance? So for example, if videos truly were an issue and this didn't change much like a link would, it could show a preview of the video grabbing the thumbnail rather than just being text. I read up on some of the previous discussions and it sounds like GIFs just weren't the way to go because the wiki had a hard limit on file size for them, which is why I've pivoted to videos here.

I'm also still curious about audio files but I imagine those would also be quite large. Gulstab (talk) 21:15, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

To clarify Alex's statement: Anet never got around to testing, let alone implementing video files, because unrelated performance issues took higher priority. Video files should actually be a less resource-intensive for the wiki than the corresponding animated gifs we use now. But that is why these things take time, because there is extensive testing to do before such changes go live. - Tanetris (talk) 00:47, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Adding Audio Files for unique sounds[edit]

The game is filled with sounds but the wiki is devoid of them, it would be nice to document some of the unique ones at least so that you don't have to own the item to preview the sound, or risk watching a non-informative video on youtube about it which probably has music overlaid. Audio files can be about the same size as an image in a lot of scenarios where it would be used, and in the exceptions where it's not a small file, it's likely a long recording of in game music, which to me is still a good use and a rare exception. Common types would probably be mp3/ogg/whatever the game natively uses. --Zyga21 (talk) 03:07, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

You know I initially thought this was the same as topic as the one immediately above this, and Guild Wars 2 Wiki talk:Requests for technical administration#A quick update (6/22/2021)...

...however it seems like we never mentioned audio files there. I would support enabling audio files, however I think the gray area will be "extracting things from the dat" again. -Chieftain Alex

17:30, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Ah found it, Guild Wars 2 Wiki talk:Requests for technical administration/archive 2#Allow uploading audio files using Special:Upload. That was 5 years ago?!? -Chieftain Alex

17:32, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

After reading that it seems like the main issue is just the direct use of assets, which, while that would be nice to have the clean version of the audio, isn't actually completely necessary. The recordings I've made so far of warhorn sounds clearly have Wail of Doom over it and I don't feel like that is an issue for conveying what a warhorn sounds like, and I would compare it more to a screenshot than an asset so I think it would be fine to post? We can follow the rules and still have sounds on the wiki and have them be helpful. At least in my opinion. :) --Zyga21 (talk) 18:23, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Persian/Farsi translation[edit]

← moved to Guild Wars 2 Wiki:Community portal

Reference citations are too large[edit]

This is something I've been thinking for a couple years - ever since this edit to Glint's article, really. But the reference citations section at the bottom of a page is getting larger and larger as we are not only referencing everything as a result of this discussion, but including the reference text itself so people don't have to sort through pages. I have a 2k monitor and even with it, the citations can fill up my monitor twice over on the lore heavier pages. Timeline, for example, fills up my monitor twice over.
While nice for ease of use, even as an avid wiki user, I feel put off seeing these all the time. I think a simple solution that doesn't take us a "step back" in how references are handled, would be to have the <references /> be collapsable. A number of other wikis (fandom wikias by default I believe) put reference tags in a box. This can work too, but depending on view, those can be annoying to read through, so I think collapsing the reference citations by default, with the option to expand, would be best. Unfortunately since this doesn't run off a template, I'm not sure such is plausible or how much work it would take to implement on this wiki.
But I'm opening this up for discussion. Thoughts? Konig (talk) 00:05, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Collapsible content is poor for usability. References are at the end of a page anyway, so I don't see much of an issue. How about just not quoting huge blocks of text in references in the first place? I think references might be better if they just link to relevant conversation, not quote the entire bible. -Chieftain Alex

00:23, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

I would not be personally against somewhat reducing the size if possible. And yeah Alex, if many references just used the related sentence or two instead of the whole paragraph I think that would help, but not that much. What about making the references into two columns instead of one? There is a lot of white space, this could potentially reduce the size in half. ~Sime 02:29, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

References are not always at the end of the page - navigation bars are below them as are categories, so if people want to get to those they have to wade through possibly several monitors worth of scrolling on pages about frequently seen characters or lore. I would agree with not quoting huge blocks of text but when I've mentioned that before, the replies I got were in the vein of the current trend being "more useful" and the like. Forcing columns might help... but probably not by much. The ideal would likely be to just use links and nothing more and leave people to click links to read more, like originally, but editors have gotten into that habit. Konig (talk) 02:45, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps what could work is creating a specific Quotations/References master page with headers for different content? So instead of quoting e.g. Glint's relevant dialogue from *Edge of Destiny* verbatim on Glint's page, we could instead have a hyperlink in the ref tags that leads to a specific quote section in said master quote page, a bit like how we've handled referencing Marjory etc. dialogues from old Season 1 which led to their Quotes subpage for the relevant S1 release except this time around it'd be a master page with all the cited quotations from various novels and story instances? --Kossage (talk) 16:34, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

So the French wiki uses multiple columns for the references (example fr:Guild_Wars_2:_Secrets_of_the_Obscure#Références), which is what I suggested , and what many other wikis use. It does not solve the issue when someone references paragraphs but it would certainly help with the length. ~Sime 16:36, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

I want to bump this, I think allowing 2 or more columns for references would shorten quite a lot of pages, even if those pages do not quote entire paragraphs. Also long references become an issue if there is a nav on the page, as navs go at the very bottom. ~Sime 19:36, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

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Making the content page the talk page[edit]

Spanish /wiki link doesn't work[edit]

Removal of warning[edit]

Comments requested regarding information regarding alternate accounts[edit]

For those wondering what I am doing right now?[edit]

can't find Vault of the Khan-Ur[edit]

Death by flying too high[edit]

What happened to most gallery pages?[edit]

Adding video files to legendary items?[edit]

Adding Audio Files for unique sounds[edit]

Persian/Farsi translation[edit]

Reference citations are too large[edit]

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