User talk:Doodleplex

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  • Add new messages to the bottom of the page if you're not continuing a recent discussion made within the last week/bot related. Otherwise I'll assume somebody's fixing a link and probably won't see your comment.
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  • Yes you can remind me if I forgot to do something. Just be polite. Also since my job is in a dead zone, I have no internet access until after 6 pm EST.
  • I have a bit of issue writing sometimes due to a learning disability, so sometimes I might take a while to respond. It's not intentional, I'm just trying to figure out how to write the words in my head.

Not sure what happened XD[edit]

Hey there doodle, I wanted to replace the Charr female horn image (the one with the pink background) to add one of the horn styles that was forgotten. But it now has the old image again so I'm not sure what happened. (it's been a while since i was last here) would you be able to get the right image there? Goldammer (talk) 17:01, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

It's just a caching issue on your side. I'm seeing the newer, nine-image picture, so the wiki's been updated (thanks!). You can try clearing the cache on your side manually, ctrl+shift+R, or wait for your browser to do that by itself. G R E E N E R 17:46, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Because cats rule[edit]

Well, I was going to clean up some of my old images, but I guess File:User Greener Cats.jpg can stay around, as per your un-deletion text. G R E E N E R 21:54, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

I mean you can rename and put my name in instead of yours if you don't want it anymore. ;D - Doodleplex 21:56, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Shared Model Project + Shared Model Project/Unique NPCs[edit]

It seems that you and user Konig Des Todes are frequent editors of these projects so I was wondering about issue with the same models but different weapons. Recently I took a pictures of Awakened Charrs, they share same model but have different weapons and these are named differently according to their weapon (Windcaller - daggers, Lifebinder - staff, Sandshifter - another staff, etc). Should they have each own image or should they share same image? I have seen that there are cases in this project that there are uploaded same models but with different models but I am wondering what is an "official" statement regarding that. Hansmith (talk) 10:42, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

If they have different weapons, I prefer to make to be faithful to what we see in game. For example: File:Human female 5 (alt).jpg v File:Human female 5.jpg, same model but one has a sword one doesn't, so they're split to accurate represent what's in the game. Hope that helps you! - Doodleplex 19:48, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Loose goose[edit]

Interesting... Out of our 783 'effect icons', only Losing Steam refuses to load for me. - J.P.User J.P. sigicon.pngTalk 00:10, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

As the conversation happened on discord, I'll recap it here: I tried the same browser as well as used other computers and mobile devices, and it works fine. It appears to be on your end as you're using a beta branch of something(which you stated). I can't help more than that unfortuantely. - Doodleplex 19:48, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

No such target page[edit]

Fine, fine, you is faster. G R E E N E R 04:08, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Blows the dust off her hand. - Doodleplex 04:14, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Jesus what's that cat on, speed? -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 20:07, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Catnip probably. Well, that's my guess, my cat doesn't care for catnip so I don't have any data to support my theory. - Doodleplex 21:52, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
From what I've seen, catnip is like weed for cats. It makes them sluggish and lazy and hungry. Konig (talk) 22:35, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Historical vs. Discontinued[edit]

Regarding the Boost Enchantment Powder change, is the only difference between the two is whether or not a player has it in their inventory still? Or its API status? I used historical, since I copied the status from Captain's Council Commendation, which I still have (a large number of them) on one of my hoarding toons. Does that mean the commendation page should be updated to discontinued as well? --Choco-muffin (talk) 04:52, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

If its an item, and it still exists in some form in your inventory, it'll be "discontinued". -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 10:53, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Btw, if an item exists in the API, it might mean that acquisition has been removed from the game since the API-whitelist got deleted fiasco. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 10:56, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
How should the vendor list be handled? I already deleted the Powder from the vendor list. Should that be the action for discontinued? For historical, I saw formerly sold gemstore items listed as historical. --Choco-muffin (talk) 16:15, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
There is a way to mark it as historical, see Sonder the Seller for how to do that. =) - Doodleplex 16:17, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
OK, so I'll undo the vendor list removal and mark it as historical. Thanks. --Choco-muffin (talk) 16:33, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
No problem! Always feel free to ask questions if you're not sure. =) Cheers! - Doodleplex 16:39, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

User Felix Omni Barnstar.png The Felix Omni High Quality Editing Barnstar
Dear Doodle, thanks very much for having the guts to push the proposal for the Heart of Thorns and Path of Fire (formerly standalone) weapon pages. Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:31, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Commander heart marker.png - Doodleplex 23:33, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Restore the Flamekissed armor (historical) pages[edit]

This removed armor set still has functional wardrobe links, with unique icons, armor skins, and text strings. Can't use the current version to document that information.

Deleted pages to be restored:

  • [[:File:Flamekissed Shoes (historical).png]]
  • [[:File:Flamekissed Pants (historical).png]]
  • [[:File:Flamekissed Gloves (historical).png]]
  • [[:File:Flamekissed Vest (historical).png]]
  • [[:File:Flamekissed Mantle (historical).png]]
  • [[:File:Flamekissed Mask (historical).png]]
  • [[Flamekissed Shoes (historical)]]
  • [[Flamekissed Pants (historical)]]
  • [[Flamekissed Gloves (historical)]]
  • [[Flamekissed Vest (historical)]]
  • [[Flamekissed Mantle (historical)]]
  • [[Flamekissed Mask (historical)]]

The summary for the deletion of the files says they were duplicate, but I don't see them anywhere else in the wiki. Old revisions don't count, obviously, since they can't be linked to properly.

I'd suggest to wait a few days before deleting any of the "unobtainable skins" pages, since it's probable many will end up requiring restoration.--Lon-ami (talk) 11:21, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

I will not restore them: they were causing issues/breaking templates in main space articles. You can remake them in your userspace, but if they continue to cause issues, I will either delete them again or put the page behind lines. Additionally, all relevant content, including the previous icons, were added to the existing pages where the content should have been to begin with. - Doodleplex 23:29, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Following my conversation with Doodle it won't break anything if we apply the {{user skin infobox}} instead of {{skin infobox}}. Restored+moved+edited. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 00:00, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Can you restore+move these two as well? [[Godskull Harpoon Gun (historical)]] and [[Grimward (historical)]].
Also, please check Template talk:User skin infobox#Enabling properties too.--Lon-ami (talk) 12:08, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
You'd have to ask Alex, I don't know about the User templates, I don't want to add something and it suddenly starts breaking main space articles again. - Doodleplex 13:32, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Wintersday drop stuff[edit]

Hi Doodle. I've realised we still link to [[Template:Container research header]] which is probably going to be broken. Might want to copy the halloween widget and modify accordingly too. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 01:00, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

I feel like a lot of stuff is broken. Should I create a widget instead of using the Form? - Doodleplex 01:34, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and made a widget using the ToT bag one as an example.
Since the drop categories are slightly different for Personalized Wintersday Gift vs Wintersday Gift I think we should use separate templates. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 17:42, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
I agree. I also believe we need to split the Personalized ToT bags and regular ToT bags since they no longer have the same drops, but that can wait. Wintersday is coming up and I'd rather it be all good to go before it starts. - Doodleplex 17:47, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Okay things left to update:
  1. Template:Wintersday Gift research line - plaintext list of items
  2. Template:Wintersday Gift research summary - table-fied list of items
  3. [[Widget:Wintersday Gift drop research form]] - json list of items
-Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 18:16, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
All now updated for 2018 Wintersday. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 21:03, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Tyrro's ambient dialogue[edit]


I'm the person who added Lionguard Tyrro's ambient dialogue and the note about the nod to the playerbase, and I noticed you moved it to the area page instead, and omitted the transcribed dialogue. I'm not sure that's the right choice, considering the trivia note is only relevant for Tyrro himself, and not for the area as a whole. On top of that, removing the transcription altogether seems wasteful. Thoughts? The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk).

Trivia placement aside, Tyrro's dialogue was already listed under Fort Marriner#Ambient dialogue, which is why Doodleplex didn't add it anywhere. However, that section shows that Lionguard Atrix has some of the lines that you attributed to Tyrro. We should verify which one of them says the cough/Scarlet bit. - Felix Omni 17:03, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Hello friend! On the wiki we document ambient dialogue on area pages instead of NPC pages and like Felix said it was already on the area page. I moved the trivia to the area page since I felt it fit better there, not to mention, I feel it's more visible there as well. I am going to double check that dialogue to make sure we have who says it correctly, so honestly, thanks! =) - Doodleplex 21:03, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Removed talk page[edit]

What happened with Talk:Watchknight?--Lon-ami (talk) 14:44, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

It was deleted so the original Watchknight talk page to be returned there. - Doodleplex 18:03, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
And the original conversation can't be copied to the new talk page?--Lon-ami (talk) 20:14, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
It can, and so it was. - Felix Omni 20:25, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Legendary Imbued Shaman[edit]

Why would you edit the Legendary Imbued Shaman to say it's affected by the elemental slaying potions and sigils and add the tag to say it needs verification, when there's verification it's *only* affected by the demon potion? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Frusen (talkcontribs) at 10:40, 22 April 2019‎ (UTC).

It's fairly simple: I didn't care what race the NPC was nor am I able to test the race of the NPC; damage testing and potions I really don't have a clue about(and I have little time to do so even if I did understand that stuff). The simplest way of resolving the dispute you were having with the other user was for data/information to be obtained by neutral players from of the current state if the game. Hence the verify tag, and in the end, that's what happened, Alex tested it out quite thoroughly. I admit I probably should have left the race as blank as Alex did, so my apologies if it appeared I was taken I side. - Doodleplex 19:28, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

WvW canons - wheels or no[edit]

Those you build at pre-placed sites on walls, etc. don't have wheels, but otherwise they do. The models of the canons themselves are the same, it's just a different "base" so to speak, which is fairly minor. Just clarifying, whether or not you want to reduce images or not I'll leave to you. Konig (talk) 23:22, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Harpoon and Speargun[edit]

Mind explaining yourself? For reference: Harpoon and Speargun (notice the difference?). You might want to talk it with User:Chieftain Alex, because each of you is enforcing a different model (and I'm merely following his). For the record, I prefer yours, with the disambiguation page taking precedence over the redirect.--Lon-ami (talk) 12:36, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

My reasoning to keep both redirects would be as follows:
  • Looking at the "spear" weapon type, 22 out of 93 contain the word "harpoon" in the title (i.e. 25%)
  • Similarly 36 of the 84 "harpoon gun" type weapons contain the word "speargun" (i.e. 43%)
so from my perspective I think that redirects from both are appropriate. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:45, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Personal input: I agree with making both Harpoon and Speargun as disambiguation pages and not redirects. Konig (talk) 19:56, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
So? Any final decision? Either one or another.--Lon-ami (talk) 13:55, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
I agree with Konig, I dislike redirects getting used when a page could use the name. I’ll try to fix it tomorrow with my bot so links don’t get weird. - Doodleplex 01:25, 30 June 2019 (UTC)


The insignia redirects have been there for good reason. The insignia page names consist of 1) crafting discipline rank and 2) insignia to mirror the pages Crafting discipline/Crafting discipline rank recipes, e.g. Tailor/Initiate recipes. However, these insignia pages names doesn't really exists ingame, but instead the previous insignia redirects somehow does, since they basically are the insignia names without the prefix. For example tier 2 insignias, i.e. Initiate insignia: there exists Hunter's Wool Insignia, Ravaging Wool Insignia, etc, so one can generally speak of Wool Insignia, there exists Hearty Embroidered Wool Insignia, Honed Embroidered Wool Insignia, etc... so one can speak of Embroidered Wool Insignia and the same for Embroidered Wool Insignia. However, the terms Embroidered Initiate Insignia and Intricate Initiate Insignia doesn't make any sense at all. Furthermore, for example, you replace Wool Insignia with Initiate insignia, but Initiate insignia pages includes also Embroidered and Intricate, so again, this doesn't match.

Furthermore, see Tailor/Initiate recipes#Armor and co. Again, the redirects have been there for good reason. To see which insignia is needed, namely for Fine armor one Wool Insignia, for Masterwork armor one Embroidered Wool Insignia and for Rare armor one Intricate Wool Insignia... and that's a big difference to now, where all recipes just say Initiate insignia

Furthermore, not sure why you are also replacing icon name, see here, leaving pages with broken icons.

--Tolkyria (talk) 16:44, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Ah I never saw this message, I'm sorry for the delay on it. As for the last bit, that was an accident, nothing more. And mostly, I just saw something got moved and assumed that links needed to be changed accordingly, so that's all I was doing. My apologies if things got messed up. - Doodleplex 02:06, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

FOUND YOU![edit]

I didn't know you were one of the administrators of the English Wiki. I'm Astrolicus from the Spanish Wiki! --ThomasStarr (talk) 15:13 14 Sep 2019 (UTC)

*waves* Yeah I kinda figured based on the edits here and there, but didn't want to spook ya. XD - Doodleplex 02:03, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Probably was too obvious, lmao. What's your in-game username? To add you. ThomasStarr (talk) 14:10 16 Sep 2019 (UTC)
Due to real life, I actually am unable to play pretty much until next year, so remind me then and I'll tell you. ;) - Doodleplex 02:16, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Don't worry, I understand. Hope we get along though. I wasn't expecting this surprise at all 😂 ThomasStarr (talk) 14:29 16 Sep 2019 (UTC)


Since you're not bothering to start any kind of discussion about this, I'll do it for you. Here's what it says on the Construct page: "Constructs are artificial creatures animated by magical means. They have a wide range of possible appearances, from fully magical to being very mundane but powered by magic." Granted the substantial amount of object-like things that were granted NPC-status by Anet by now, I think the fairer and simpler change to make would be to include "and things/objects" in the description line instead of what you're doing (which would also avoid needlessly bloating the Unknown category with things that could already be listed). You're most likely going to say that it's an assumption I'm making but we're way past this point already, with pages like Astral creature existing on the wiki since almost three years now. Besides, a large majority of the pages you changed are about objects that are indeed powered by some kind of magic, as the description states, anyways. 03:19, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

There's been a discussion on the discord. The discussion was moved to the infobox template page. - Doodleplex 03:29, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
So first you have discussions that are not entirely public on an external site that not everyone goes to and then apply said changes anyway without even reaching a final consensus and then you expect someone like me to just know that when I see you go ahead with them? That seems awfully backwards and nonsensical to me. 03:34, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
In the first place Doodle applied their own judgement based on previous experience on the wiki; which has almost always been to try to not guess race or other details without confirmation. Secondly this topic of NPC vs object has been going on for a while here and there (discord and wiki). Following a conversation on the discord with myself we agreed this was too significant to be kept on discord (which can be accessible to all within 2-3 clicks) and was moved to the page.
I'm not sure why there's this feeling of aggressiveness steaming from your actions/words. The wiki has often tried to confirm things prior to making significant classifications, this does at time take aaaaaaages. If you are not happy with this status, I encourage you to bring up a topic about wanting to spearhead such changes on the community portal or other such location.
Though the wiki does try to reflect what the game shows as is, sometimes things need to be taken with a grain of salt or else it would be a righteous mess (for example no instanced content would be classified as happening in any existing map). -Darqam
I'm aware that Discord exists but this has to be the first wiki I've ever been a part of that seems to use it this extensively. I personally don't think it's a good practice, as it leads to a lot of confusion. No one should have to scour Discord to be in the know about what's going on. That's what open community pages should be about. That way people know what is posted, when and where and it stays there forever. And while we're on the topic, I don't see why I should be the one to spearhead the discussion when I haven't been the one putting these as 'Unknown'. You've said this discussion has been going on forever on both sites but this is the first time I'm hearing of it, and I was on the wiki for a while as a lurker before starting to contribute. I find it odd that it would surface, along with complimentary reverts, that quickly after I started listing some pages as such. 03:47, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
You're right that it shouldn't just be on discord, so it was moved here, I'm actually more of a fan of things being here than on the discord for this very reason. As to where it was on the wiki, I'm not sure I remember where it was. Additionally, the unnecessary aggressiveness is not warranted, I didn't see a need to start a discussion upon pursing a category to find things that might have accidentally wound up in the wrong place. I suggest you take your tone back a bit. The rest of this discussion is better suited for the community portal since it's more about debating how things are documented. - Doodleplex 04:15, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Sylvari Commander in Noble's Folly[edit]

"Additionally upon mousing over her, it would seem she has dialogue, but as she cannot be interacted with, the dialogue is unknown." I don't quite get this. How can you know if she has dialogue from mousing over the NPC? You have to go up and see a prompt to Talk, and even then, thousands of NPCs have that bug just give basic greets. Also went and removed speculation about her being part of the Pact - as we do like to avoid speculating. Konig (talk) 22:34, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

The Pact part was because somebody in discord assumed they were Pact. And mousing over her had the cursor changed to a speech bubble cursor instead of the usual arrow cursor. - Doodleplex 22:38, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

A Question (or more) here[edit]

If I record a video from gw2, render it as gif and upload it here, I should choose the licensing as animation, am I? XcCute (talk) 18:31, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Sounds fine. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 22:24, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Ok, thanks! XcCute (talk) 03:19, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Another question, is it possible to post video here? XcCute (talk) 16:44, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Links: If it's for a userpage, you can directly link to the youtube video of your choice. There isn't a widget to embed videos on the wiki. If it's for the mainspace, we use links to the search page on youtube to be as un-biased as possible.
Actual upload: No, the wiki doesn't facilitate video uploads. The upload size for anything is 8mb - barely enough for a gif (yes gif is shitty at compression). -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 17:41, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
I see, thanks XcCute (talk) 03:40, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Unrelated-to-gw2 question[edit]

Sorry for this but I can't find answer anywhere else. How do I setup my own wiki site like this? I find an amount of "wiki" site makers but they're not the same with this one. Thanks. XcCute (talk) 08:20, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

I think I have a better question, is it ok to note unrelate-to-gw things on my user page? XcCute (talk) 08:52, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Glove of Power / Wisdom mixup?[edit]

Hey there, saw you transferring yesterday's stream of Josh into new details on SAB pages. But on Glove of Wisdom, something was mixed up I think (but not sure since I didn't see the stream at that point). Under the "Stone Barrier", it stated earlier "not destroyable with Glove of Wisdom", but you changed it to "not destroyable with Glove of Power" despite it showing the New Krytan P for Power Glove. Did you mean "not destroyable without Glove of Power"? - Ray Koopa (talk) 11:14, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Yep, yep I did. - Doodleplex 12:47, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Question about Shared Model Project[edit]

Today I was wondering if F2P accounts have restrictions in buying gathering tools because someone couldn't get them at Tara and I noticed she has different model now than on wiki. I uploaded new one since Human Female Model 5 had sword and she didn't (so I created new alt) and I started noticing more NPCs with wrong pictures in this model's category and swapping them around until I stumbled upon Merchant Trundle and Zinka (human) and started to think that some of them may just have randomly generated models as well maybe? I am not sure if my editions would be correct and I haven't saved the swaps on project pages yet (outside of Tara). I am not sure if I should continue switching pictures to reflect the in-game state I see and update the project page or not, I don't want to mess up the project page, so I am seeking your opinion. (So far I changed pictures for Tara, Clareen Taylor, Kayla and Helatia.) - Ylanniss (talk) 18:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Many NPCs use random models, so we just put one of them and then use | random = yes in infobox to indicate they have several models. Unless the npc doesn't change models, no need to go around and "fix" them. EDIT: For example, Helatia is 100% one of the npcs that have random models, since in my instance she uses the image you replaced. ~SimeUser Sime Maraca Choya.pngTalk 18:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thanks very much! I was worried it was unneded "fixing" from my side and it seems it was. Thanks also for adding to the infobox of these NPCs. Should I revert the images to the old ones so they are accurate on the project site? - Ylanniss (talk) 18:58, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Or you can switch the names to the current picture on the project site. Wouldn't worry about it that much atm, since there are still plenty of pictures/npcs missing from it. ~SimeUser Sime Maraca Choya.pngTalk 19:01, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thanks again. I had the project page change ready just to click "save" so I went with that. - Ylanniss (talk) 19:07, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Mistake in 2016[edit]

On File:Lightbringer Krentch.jpg you replaced the image under the misapprehension that "even stealthed NPCs can have their models changed it seems". But this guy actually cycles through a couple armor sets at random. Yeah! — Cronos 01:53, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Um yes, that's what I said: Their armor changes, ie they're just one of the NPCs that has a random appearance, so there wasn't a mistake in what I said. Also, we leave the UI on for stealhed NPCsm because they're too hard to see otherwise, so I'm going to revert back to the previous version. - Doodleplex 02:16, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Oh! Putting it in the comment seemed to imply that it was a significant permanent change, but it was just an incidental comment! — Cronos 10:48, 19 August 2020 (UTC)


you may want to ask stephane to see if any of those are used frequently before deleting them. horrible | contribs 01:44, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

the ones that Doodle has deleted were all shite. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 06:19, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
If "shite" gets deleted, why exactly are you and I still here? horrible | contribs 20:06, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
There’s roughly a month until those 3 redirects I flagged are likely to be deleted unless something changes. The pages deleted from last night are were mostly move remnants from 2011-ish; I occasionally go through and nuke move remnants of 3 years or more if nothing is linked to it and it’s pretty obscure. - Doodleplex 21:31, 16 October 2020 (UTC)