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Skill list templates on Swiftness page[edit]

Hey, someone brought to my attention that you replaced the content of the list of skills that grant swiftness with a templated version and removed my addition of skills granting swiftness from purchasable bundles specifically (see Special:Diff/1981184/1958941 ).

I think that this devalues the page information as now  Hare's Speed.png Hare's Speed is no longer listed and it is no longer transparent for the reader which of these skills come from purchasable bundles which is - in my opinion - the most interesting information for the reader: The case of someone going to a specific location to pick up a specific item to press that specific skill to get Swiftness for 10 seconds is very unlikely. On the other hand if you were playing a swiftness starved class or you wanted to get into dungeon records you would want to know what you could do to obtain an additional source of swiftness in the entirety PvE - preferably without manually seeking through an incomplete list by yourself.

I'm not really familiar with templates but maybe you could check if there's a solution to separate purchasable consumables from common skills and inject skills with misleading tooltips like  Hare's Speed.png Hare's Speed to maximize the information value of the page? Would be greatly appreciated since I spent a good while on checking through all purchasable consumables and would be sad if this information was lost to the reader.--Endaris (talk) 23:12, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Imo the advantages of the automated lists (immune to being out of date due to future skill balance updates) makes it worth the minor inconvenience of not highlighting purchasable consumable skills.
I expect if we look hard enough, there is probably a page along the lines of "dungeon consumables" similar to that found on metabattle. If not, we should agree the title and create one. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 23:23, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, my mistake. Of course, this is some legit information, that unfortunately cannot be extracted automatically by the template, due to the missing ingame skill fact "Swiftness".
Therefore, I have readded the purchasable bundle skills as a subsection of the Swiftness#Common skills that grant swiftness. See Special:Diff/1986777/1989169. --Tolkyria (talk) 23:31, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Picking up Alex suggestion: the section "bundles by skill effect" could be nicely placed on Purchasable bundles. E.g.
== List of purchasable bundles by skill [[effect]] ==
{{section-stub}}
=== [[Swiftness]] ===
* {{item icon|Hylek Poison Pot}} — sold by [[Hunter (merchant)|Hunter]], [[Astrozintli Forelands]]
* {{item icon|Medical Kit}} — sold by [[Ash Legion Spy (vendor)|Ash Legion Spy]], [[The Granite Front]] and [[Refugee Ejint]], [[Greyfern Expanses]]
* {{item icon|Medical Pack}} — sold by [[Lionguard Haral]], [[Tromigar Valley]]
* {{item icon|MedKit}} — sold by [[Seraph Provisioner]], [[Hidden Lake]]
* {{item icon|Pact Med Kit}} — sold by [[Crusader Apaaie]], [[Signal Peak]]
* {{item icon|Pot of Hylek Poison}} — sold by [[Urais (hylek)|Urais]], [[Hunting Banks]]
* {{item icon|Pot Of Hylek Poison}} — sold by [[Mictia]], [[Quetzal Bay]]
--Tolkyria (talk) 23:53, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back to this so quickly and you made it even better than before. Great! :-) --Endaris (talk) 22:10, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Lesser Shield of Absorption on Stalwart Defender[edit]

Must've been a cache issue, since the trait skill wasn't listed when I made those edits. Or just me editing at three in the morning... - J.P.User J.P. sigicon.png 00:21, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Neither of those... recapping the timeline:
  1. You edited Special:Diff/1979290/2050525 (Stalwart Defender) at May 2, 0:07.
  2. BuffsEverywhere edited Special:Diff/2050527/2050549 (Lesser Shield of Absorption) at May 2, 4:36, setting the type "Shield", which made it appear in the recharge table (The recharge table asks for weapons, bundles as well as utility and trait types).
So at the point of your edit, everything was working as you intended.
A quick remark to the "old" format you used: Due to an complete code redesign recently (see Template talk:Recharge table), I decided to get rid of the recharge icons, which have been used twice in each row (excessive). If you think we should still use them, feel free to leave a short request on the template talk page (I can restore them easily). --Tolkyria (talk) 08:27, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Ah, I see! :D - J.P.User J.P. sigicon.png 14:58, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Plated weapons page typo?[edit]

First, thank you for all you do on the wiki!!! But (unfortunately) I got all excited to see that Plated weapons are Exotic, per that wiki page, like the Machined weapons are, so I bought several, only to find that they're only Rare, which the individual weapon pages correctly shows. Yeah, too good to be true and a harsh reality check that my memory about such things is poor. I thought I'd ask you about the population of the template information, since is looks like you added it. Is this a typo, a scripting issue, am I missing something, or... other? Thanks. :-) Jesself (talk) 05:52, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

It was a mistake from whoever put it there, I fixed it now. Thanks for pointing out! DJemba (talk) 06:31, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
That's a pity, I'm sorry. It was a copy-paste mistake, which unfortunately happens here and there, especially when doing repeatative tasks. --Tolkyria (talk) 11:40, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
A small price to pay for all the good you do. :-) Jesself (talk) 15:03, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Collapsible reward table[edit]

First of all, thanks for this, we finally won't have to scroll through hundreds of rewards in No Quarter. However, it is currently broken (I won't pretend i undestand where.), see No Quarter (achievements). DJemba (talk) 22:22, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Can you go a little bit more into detail? Broken in which sense? For me it works fine, otherwise I wouldn't have added it. --Tolkyria (talk) 22:28, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
I didn't immediately see the expand button on the right, I saw the three dots for Cache Hunter and the redlink and wondered if something was broken... but that's just a not-yet-created page. Seems to be working alright to me. Maybe we should add a dotted line around the collapsed content to help draw the user to the show button? -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 22:42, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Although I also rewrote the objective part, the show button has always been on the right to expand the objectives (since January 2020). To be honest, I prefer to have a plain format without any borders, both for the tier rewards and the objectives. Furthermore, the table width should be fixed at this large size, otherwise the show/hide button would jump around when expanding/collapsing.
This reminds me of our discussion about right-aligned edit buttons. Here, basically the same holds: in a table it's totally fine to have the show/hide button on the right (that's where the wiki users would search). However, in the plain tier rewards/objectives a show/hide button directly next to the heading "Rewards"/"Objectives" would be more visible (same as the edit link). --Tolkyria (talk) 22:57, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Now it's working, but before i didn't see the show/hide button and it was already expanded. DJemba (talk) 07:17, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Okay, sounds like MediaWiki:CollapsibleTables.js wasn't loading. Simply refreshing the page (F5) should fix this. --Tolkyria (talk) 14:28, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Done for now, I added the current format also to Template:Achievement box result format... overall I hope I won't have to touch this again.
Probably the easiest way to move the show/hide button to the left would be to define a padding-right. However, repeating myself, for me it's totally fine on the top right (okay, maybe I'm a little bit biased), having the button directly next to the "Rewards" header and above the tier reward item icons feel wierd. --Tolkyria (talk) 21:59, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Prefix display[edit]

Concerning your Prefix display revert, fine by me, but if I did change it, it is because it had a use, feel free to implement it correctly. --Abbygaëlle (talk) 14:49, 2 June 2020 (GMT)

Taking a break, please refer to an according template talk page. --Tolkyria (talk) 12:58, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Some Template Magic Required[edit]

Hi Tolkyria, could you please help create some armour gallery template variant for Raven Ceremonial armor and Bear Ceremonial armor so we don't have to reupload duplicate images for each armour weight? I'd really appreciate it. User Incarnazeus Signature.pngtalk 09:53, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I suspect we want the following file naming scheme: File:<armor set name without suffix> <race> <gender> <view>.jpg, e.g. File:Raven Ceremonial armor asura female front.jpg.
Then we could use {{armor galleries|set = Raven Ceremonial armor}} and {{armor galleries|set = Bear Ceremonial armor}} on all three weight pages to suppress the default value of the parameter set, namely {{BASEPAGENAME}}, which includes the weight suffix. --Tolkyria (talk) 10:27, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes, thank you! I didn't anticipate it was this easy. User Incarnazeus Signature.pngtalk 11:00, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
We might want to add it also to the three subtemplates of Template:Armor overview gallery to let them show up in the race & gender galleries, e.g. Asura female light armor. Although these armors (Raven, Bear and also Corsair) have only 4 or 5 out of 6 armor pieces, they have all non-hideable parts (feet, legs, chest) and hence I would consider these three as armor sets. Some might disagree that these are armor sets, but aren't those "sets" promoted as armor sets in the trailer videos? Finally, coming to my point: even there, we can simply omit the weight suffix in the file call. --Tolkyria (talk) 11:52, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Done! Thanks again. User Incarnazeus Signature.pngtalk 12:16, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Another request for your magic[edit]

Sorry for bothering so shortly after Inc. Template:Skill infobox displays commas in damage number after thousands. However, it does not do it with condition damage numbers (see Burning Tide). Could you please look at it? Thanks. DJemba (talk) 11:15, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, in-game does use a 1000 separator for damaging conditions. Done, but you saw that already :-)
The Magic word formatnum is used to format numbers. --Tolkyria (talk) 11:52, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Mastery point unlock totals[edit]

There's a fairly frequent bug where the subobjects get corrupted, the achievement pages need blanking, and the totals mess up. Every time they get corrupted, the total goes off by one or two. Widget:Table row count is a workaround to avoid having to care.

Did you realise this when you removed it? -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 20:47, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hmm looking a bit closer you're using some newfangled #rowcount with your rewrite of Template:Mastery achievement table/Template:Mastery achievement table header, and I don't know how that will behave yet when it meets the subobject duplication. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 20:52, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I was aware of it while removing it. I assumed that #rowcount would not run into such problems. However, today I tried to find the rowcount code (see here, probably I should have done this before editing it) and indeed it may cause the same problems since ultimately it seems to use the same code as format = count.
On the other hand smw 3.1.X is much more stable than 2.4.X and I don't think we had any smw cache bugs yet (except the wierd one where setting a page property to <page name>#<section name> sometimes failed).
Well, if you are not comfortable with the rowcount approach then we can of course revert it.
Another approach: What about using {{#var_final:{{{table-id|}}} rowcount}} in the header and {{increment|{{{table-id|}}} rowcount}} in the result format? Note that with Variables 2.5.1 most of the cache issues should be fixed and incrementing in a result format works properly.
--Tolkyria (talk) 11:17, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Beep Boop[edit]

Hey, saw you tagged all your pages for deletion and quit the discord... are you okay? If/When you want to talk about it, feel free to reach out. I'd really hate to see you go. User Incarnazeus Signature.pngtalk 21:17, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Seconding this... I hope you're okay. I'm around if/when you want to talk as well. If not here, I'm in-game, and can give you my email or other means of communication. Muirellthe Moon Geode.png 21:31, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
I'm fine, thanks. Okay, I admit that I these delete edits were a little bit excessive and that some of these pages might have public interest (reverted those). The rest is outdated and can be deleted now.
In general, I currently do not like the way the wiki is going (not going to state them in public as I only have partial solutions), hence I though one step back might help. --Tolkyria (talk) 18:53, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Hey, I'm glad you're okay. :) I know how frustrating it is to not be on board with the way something is going, especially when it's an organization or entity that has really meant a lot to you. Sometimes partial solutions are what lead to whole ones! Whatever you decide though, I'm just glad nothing super serious for your mental health was happening. If there ever is, door is open. Muirellthe Moon Geode.png 18:59, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Echoing Moon here. That aside, feel free to mail me your thoughts — perhaps writing them down might help and we can figure out what we could do so you feel more at ease here. User Incarnazeus Signature.pngtalk 19:08, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Deletion requestes[edit]

I have left 3 pages tagged for deletion up as they are still in use. —Kvothe (talk) 15:00, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I guess the easiest option is to simply removed those requests. --Tolkyria (talk) 16:02, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Good. —Kvothe (talk) 21:57, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Let's Talk[edit]

Hey Tolkyria, I sense some unhappiness with the admins/community stemming from you (correct me if I'm wrong), so I'll repeat my previous offer: if you want to talk, feel free to reach out. I think we'd be able to help each other out (or at the very least you get to vent). This isn't some classic admin-coddling tactic, by the way. User Incarnazeus Signature.pngtalk 19:06, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Mount unlock table[edit]

Hello, would it be possible to add a filter to Template:Mount unlock table that would show only a specific mount, i.e. if I wanted to put it on the Skyscale page, it would just show skyscale skins? ~Sime 16:13, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Sure, basically instead of predefining all mounts on top in the template:
<!-- Mounts -->
{{#vardefine: mounts | Raptor, Springer, Skimmer, Jackal, Griffon, Roller Beetle, Warclaw, Skyscale}}
we can instead introduce the parameter "mounts" (and take all mounts as default value if the parameter isn't set):
<!-- Mounts -->
{{#vardefine: mounts | {{{mounts|Raptor, Springer, Skimmer, Jackal, Griffon, Roller Beetle, Warclaw, Skyscale}}} }}
On the other hand, if you just want a plain list without all the filter table stuff (quite big for only one mount), we can also go with an unordered bullet list:
{{Account unlocks list|mounts|query=[[Category:Raptor skins]]|columns=2}}
{{Account unlocks list|mounts|query=[[Category:Skyscale skins]]}}
--Tolkyria (talk) 17:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
That second variant for the plain list without the table is great, thank you very much! ~Sime 17:31, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Property groups[edit]

Adding the dividers makes Special:Browse a bit less annoying to look at. Thanks! -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 21:12, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

To make e.g. Browse:Meteor Shower readable again. Unfortunately, there are two stuck properties: Has skill activation type and Modification date at the top, although they have been "correctly" categorised. For the Category we might need some smw/scheme stuff, not sure about this yet (or if we actually want to classify it). --Tolkyria (talk) 21:31, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Outfit sorting[edit]

Hello, I have again another request (yes I have no clue how to do this myself). Would it be, please, possible to add groupings to outfit acquisition (Gem Store/Black Lion Chest + statuette/Trading Post/Festival vendor), similar to Mount#Mount skins? There are not that many outfits available outside the Gem Store, but I still think this is a better solution than just a note at the bottom of the page. Thank you. EDIT: If it indeed would be possible, it is entirely fine if you just set up the base and I can add the individual outfits there myself. ~Sime 18:18, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

The mount acquisitions are pretty straight forward. The gem store, license and pack filters are added automatically, only the filter buttons are defined manually. On the other hand, the outfits are more complicated, e.g. Cook's Outfit is contained in a container that is sold by the gem store, the overall varity of possible containers makes it harder to select the wanted ones. Last but not least the mounts distribute themselfs into the eight mount types (providing a nice split to avoid one long list) while there's only one outfit category; also I still prefer the unordered list which looks better than a table (required for filtering, we would have to fake an unordered list). But okay, while writing this, it should be doable overall. I'll look into it tomorrow. --Tolkyria (talk) 19:38, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Added a first try on my sandbox. To be honest, it doesn't really convince me so far. I feel even with filters it's too hard to keep the overview. What do you think? --Tolkyria (talk) 21:28, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
I do not think it looks bad and I actually quite like it. Obviously there's lots of overlap (statuette vs gem store), and some outfits are labelled as "Not Gem Store" while they should be in Black Lion Chest (because the box they are in comes from the chest), but I think that could be fixed? These outfits are: Starborn, Fallen Balthazar, Ebon Vanguard. But yeah I like what you've done! ~Sime 21:39, 26 March 2021 (UTC)