Guild Wars 2 Wiki talk:Projects/Cartography/Archive 1

Potential restructure of project cartography links

The main page at the moment is kinda bad on links to do with the exploration section. I'm thinking we should change it to so the main heading world goes to world overview not details on servers and also have explorable zones/areas as the first heading as it is currently not attached in any way on the front page. --Dr.Mobius 08:43, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree with that, but where would the server details go? Under Overview maybe? --Cosmicearthgirl 19:58, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Maybe we could split it into a different page World (server) or something like that? Also does the World (servers) actually count as part of only pve? I would say its maybe in the wrong section. --Dr.Mobius 21:32, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Definitely in the wrong section. Oh hey, under player vs player > World vs World > Home Server goes to the same page. So it's already somewhere else. --Cosmicearthgirl 21:44, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

What should we do for the replacement page? I'm thinking call it Exploration, or maybe use the existing map. I think it should contain the nav bars for all project carts pages (hearts,vistas blah blah) as well as a complete version of the map maybe? --Dr.Mobius 22:28, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Actually what we should is have it so hearts challenges vistas etc are listed under an Activities or objectives page. Then have a new sub heading on the main page of Explorable areas or use the existing locations with all explorable zones on it. Then rename the current locations section to Cities? --Dr.Mobius 22:32, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Ok. So the current section labeled World should change to Objectives. Locations should be Exploration and the landing page for that could be the existing regions page which would link everything to the front page. I kind of feel like cities belong under that region page, but I could see how people would want to quickly get to the city without drilling down from the region. --Cosmicearthgirl 00:48, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Project Cartography banner/message

I'm thinking of making a template which we could put on the pages releated to the project to raise awareness and to improve coordination between editors, any comments/ideas? I'll have a prototype in a bit. --Dr.Mobius 21:32, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm all for improving coordination, but I may be too new to have comments or ideas. I've been playing GW for years, but never edited the Wiki before starting last night. --Cosmicearthgirl 21:44, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

In the same boat here :D. If you need any help with templates or anything post it on the discussion page, we should be able to come up with a solution. --Dr.Mobius 21:53, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Okay the first version is done. To use it type on the page

{{Template:Project Cartography}}

it currently looks like this: {{Template:Project Cartography}} --Dr.Mobius 22:15, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Very eye catching! Did you want this on all the pages related to location? Areas etc...? --Cosmicearthgirl 00:50, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to finish version two then yes (if you think its a good idea as well :p) --Dr.Mobius 01:21, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Works for me!  :) --Cosmicearthgirl 02:18, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Linking of renown hearts, vistas, skill challenges

I've been working on making a better system for making lists of these objectives. Renown hearts and skill challenges have been converted. Each area gets a separate page for vistas,hearts,challenges and then this can be embed into the main page by using for example

{{:List of hearts in Caledon Forest}}

. We will need to add points of interests, areas etc to this later. The following example would show this: This is a list of renown hearts for Caledon Forest sorted by heart level.

Renown Heart	Area	Level	NPC	Description	Reward	Scout
Help Gemai support the wardens of Wardenhurst	The Verdence	2	Warden Gemai	Defeat undead, revive territory markers, rebuild fortifications, and spar with local Wardens. "Warden Gemai helped."	338  90  45	Warden Arondele
Help Delilah keep the farmer's fields safe	Village of Astorea	2	Warden Delilah	Kill termites, uproot termite larvae, and feed prickly fruit to hungry moas. "You helped Warden Delilah."	338  90  45	Warden Arondele
Help Elain clear the spider cave	Grenbrack Delves	3	Elain	Kill hiding spiders, gather redcap mushrooms, and destroy spider webs and toxic mushrooms. "You helped Elain."	356  98  49	Warden Arondele
Help Danador manage his kennel	The Verdence	3	Packmaster Danador	Help lost hounds, play with pups, and kill pests. "You helped Danador."	356  98  49	Warden Arondele
Assist Valiant Caillech with the Risen	Sleive's Inlet	4	Valiant Caillech	Burn undead corpses, smash noxious plants, protect Wardens, and battle the Risen in Sleive's Inlet. "You helped Valiant Caillech"	375  105  52	Warden Arondele
Help Warden Brulians clear undead creatures from the area	Morgan's Spiral	5	Warden Brulians	Defeat Risen, burn their corpses, and stomp on corrupted grub holes. "You helped Warden Brulians."	396  112  56	Warden Arondele
Disrupt the Nightmare Court at Briarthorn Den	Morgan's Spiral	6	Warden Spy Alarin	Speak to Alarin to enter Briarthorn Den. Inside, defeat nightmare[sic] duelists, reassure hounds, clear thorn barriers, and help captives. "Nightmare Court disrupted."	416  120  60	Warden Arondele
Help defend Caer Astorea from the Nightmare Court	Ogham Wilds	6	Warden Llew	Repel the Nightmare Court, clear spider webs, and activate mortar pods. "Caer Astorea defended."	416  120  60	Farrah
Assist Arias in maintaining his garden	Ogham Wilds	7	Arias	Speak to Arias to become a mossheart. Clear strangle thorn and grubs, heal the wilting garden, and open incubation pods. "Arias's farm assisted."	439  128  64	Farrah
Help Harvester Mavad manage the kelp harvest	Sandycove Beach	7	Harvester Mavad	Help gather lavender, search sand piles, build scarecrows, return escaped siamoths, and protect harvesters from nearby threats. "You helped Harvester Mavad."	439  128  64	Farrah
Help the Soundless deal with the Nightmare Court	Ventry Bay	8	Eona	Repair fishing nets and traps, cull the wave rider population, help divers, and fend off Nightmare Court raids. "You helped the Soundless."	463  135  68	Voisa
Help Tovar harass the Nightmare Court	The Rootangles	9	Tovar	Kill courtiers and their pets, free prisoners, destroy turrets, and generally wreak havoc in Hemlock Coil. "Tovar helped."	488  142  71	Voisa
Help Zippti study the hyper-aggressive skritt	Ruins of the Unseen	10	Researcher Zippti	Help Zippti's golems with their experiments, fight the skritt, knock over their shinies, and activate tracking devices to monitor their response. "You helped Zippti."	514  150  75	Voisa
Help the Atzintli and Zopatl tribes battle the krait	Ventry Bay	10	Atzintli	Assist the Atzintli by battling the krait, rescuing captive hylek, and repairing territory markers. "You helped Atzintli."	514  150  75	Oumu Guileplume
Help Yoal weaken the krait and recover kidnapped hylek	Quetzal Bay	11	Yoal	Defeat krait, bring her Hylek Armor, and rescue hylek slaves. "You helped Yoal."	541  158  79	Oumu Guileplume
Help Fisher Leudap support the fishers of Soggorsort	Quetzal Bay	12	Fisher Leudap	Light fishing lanterns, check quaggan traps, destroy krait blood idols, and defend quaggan villagers from marauding krait. "You helped Fisher Leudap."	571  165  82	Oumu Guileplume
Assist Lionguard Hester in recovering slaves from Slaver's Deeps	Quetzal Bay	13	Lionguard Hester	Defeat krait, rescue slaves, and put slave remains to rest. "You helped Liongard Hester."	601  172  86	Captain Price
Help the wardens in Wychmire Swamp	Wychmire Swamp	14	Laewyn	Destroy corrupted plants, husks, and thorns; fight the Nightmare Court and their minions; and free prisoners. "You helped the Wardens."	634  180  90	Warden Kentee
Help Lionguard Cern safeguard the road	Wychmire Swamp	15	Lionguard Cern	Repair signs, light torches, and keep the road free of dangers. Destroy troll trophy spikes, poison troll food, and drive the trolls away. "You assisted Cern."	668  188  94	Warden Kentee

---

List of renown hearts

Ascalon

Blazeridge Steppes • Diessa Plateau • Fields of Ruin • Fireheart Rise • Iron Marches • Plains of Ashford

Cantha

New Kaineng City • Seitung Province • The Echovald Wilds

Crystal Desert

Crystal Oasis • Desert Highlands • Domain of Vabbi • Elon Riverlands • The Desolation • Domain of Istan • Sandswept Isles • Domain of Kourna • Jahai Bluffs

Kryta

Bloodtide Coast • Gendarran Fields • Harathi Hinterlands • Kessex Hills • Lake Doric • Queensdale

Maguuma Jungle

Brisban Wildlands • Caledon Forest • Metrica Province • Mount Maelstrom • Sparkfly Fen

Ring of Fire

Ember Bay • Draconis Mons

Ruins of Orr

Siren's Landing

Shiverpeak Mountains

Bitterfrost Frontier • Dredgehaunt Cliffs • Frostgorge Sound • Lornar's Pass • Snowden Drifts • Thunderhead Peaks • Timberline Falls • Wayfarer Foothills

Yeah, I like this. I've been using it for the text on the area pages to make sure we're using the same title. As soon as I'm done with the Calendon area pages, I'll make sure they match up with this list and any others you've made by then. --Cosmicearthgirl 00:19, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree. I quite like this concept of having specialised pages with area specific information and especially the ease to intergrate them on a general 'region'-page. May I suggest to (at least temporarily) add a small text-sentence to aid the reader (and especially a wiki-helper) where to go to maintain the page. I've included an example of such a sentence on List of vistas in Wayfarer Foothills The result can be viewed on Wayfarer Foothills (in the vista-portion of course). Jackybah 20:53, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Tbh this isn't really needed, if one presses edit it will notice there isn't a table listed that can be edited but an page that is being included. They only have to copy and paste that name to the search bar to get to the actual page. This will also keep the general region page clean of comments for editors. – Trolloli "I wasn't born, I spawned" 14:31, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Reward data

Could the data for completion reward be skewed. I know that some rewards scale with the level it the hearts one of them? Anzenketh 12:20, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Bot run request

Could we have a but run though zone heart table and have it input data in the area section for the renown heart? That way we only have to enter the data in one spot. Anzenketh 14:24, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Area Page Format

Can you take a look at this page Quetzal Bay and tell me if that's what you have in mind? ==Cosmicearthgirl 02:54, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Very nice, my only problem is how are we going to structure the areas linking? As there are a lot of areas, and the current style means the navigation bar is going to be huge. Maybe we should make a navigation bar per region which lists all the areas within it? I'll make an example one in a bit and see how its looks. --Dr.Mobius 03:54, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

There are so few renown hearts and whatnot per area. I like the idea of a Nav bar for the region. As a total side note, as I was running around charting the boundaries of Sandycove Beach, I ended up in a pile of drakes and now I'm broke and naked because all my armor is broken. I'm going to have to take a break from cartography and make some new armor!  ;) --Cosmicearthgirl 04:09, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Yeah armour breaking is pain at least the armour repair people are quite cheap :p. --Dr.Mobius 04:17, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

A little late to chime in, but I don't quite like the format. I don't think there's much need to separate hearts, vistas, and skill challenges from locations - if need be, we can rename "Locations" to "Map completion" - it currnetly holds events, poi, and waypoints for most other pages that were given a uniformed layout. Furthermore, I dislike the table used there because it's overly clunky and informative for what can be 3 (for that area) simple lines. I also see no reason to separate Group events from regular events - just placing a [Group event] before on the list will do imo. I much prefer the look of Godslost Swamp over this.

I'm also uncertain of a need for the nav box at the bottom. Do we really need to link Quetzal Bay to Wychmire Swamp? They have nothing in common except both being in Caledon Forest - no shared events or anything. Seems overly complicated to me, all for the sake of linking everything to everything. Konig/talk 19:59, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't think either of them have contributed in a while. I've been using the layout shown in Morgan's Spiral for area pages, though I have no issue getting rid of the "Goals" header, I just assumed that's what they were called since it was already there. I think the nav box at the bottom should stay, if only to show someone what else is in Caledon Forest. If the navbox does go then I think a "links to" should be added into the info box showing what areas neighbour onto one another. — Andrealinia 05:51, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

There's already a "links to" parameter - it's just called "connects to" - no one has bother adding them for areas, though imo they should eventually for the adjacent areas (and maybe zones for those with exits). Konig/talk 07:55, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

I'd never seen it, but in that case I agree that the nav box can go and be replaced with the adjacent areas - I'll work on doing that. What do you think to the layout I linked to? — Andrealinia 08:12, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

It's better, but I'd prefer combining all map completion (and extra) stuff. PoI, hearts, skill challenges, vistas, and waypoints are all "goals" and technically only PoI are "locations" - then there's dungeons, jumping puzzles, and landmarks that'll be added where available. So best to just combine the two sections imo. Which effectively becomes how I've been setting pages up. My question ends up how to denote vistas though, since they're nameless completely (wiki currently names them after the area, which thus becomes redundant on area pages). Konig/talk 09:30, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Acht, I just noticed something regarding the goals section - I would much prefer it set up the way Godslost Swamp is - placing level first really feels off to me. And there's no need to go into detail on the jumping puzzle since there's a page for just that. Also, on the events section - don't sort by level! There are event chains which start one level and raise in level as they go on (most event chains do, in fact). So if one were to sort by level, then you'd be splitting chains apart. Not sure on those NPC icons though. I think going the classical (vender) at the end is better, tbh, but that's not a big deal (other than the dual icon for heart NPCs - unneeded imo, since all hearts are karma). Konig/talk 09:36, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Got it! Are we okay to make it (Level 15) rather than just (15) though, since sometimes it can be like '15 what?' Also, I still suggest making Events and Enemies separate sections (and renaming Foes to Enemies). I prefer the images, since it's the images you see on the map - I'll remove the dual icons though (I thought that was weird) — Andrealinia 09:47, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

NPC services are best done with icons before the names so that they are all aligned the same - icons or text after the name is not aligned at all and is difficult to parse. See Stronghold of Ebonhawke. It might work better if they were grouped by service type, but that would break alphabetization, so I dunno.

Repeating (level 15) for 20 events is really redundant. Just the number is all that should be given.

"Foe" is ArenaNet's preferred term. Between BWE2 and BWE3 they replaced all instances of "enemy" in skill descriptions with "foe," and I think we should follow that. —Dr Ishmael 12:47, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

I actually prefer seeing (Level 15) as compared to (15), is there anywhere saying that it has to be (15) or is that just your preference? I understand it might not look so good on pages with loads of events, but so far it's not looking bad and your wording suggests there's a rule somewhere. I like the way that page is laid out for the NPCs and that's how I've been doing them. As for Enemies -> Foes, if that's how ArenaNet wants it called, I'll change it :) — Andrealinia 13:09, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Repeating Level over and over is very redundant as ishmael said. Even if it's not a concept here it is a common form in game design from what I have seen. With a finite amount of screen real estate you have to trim what you can. People should know what it means. To be safe add a note like ish said. Like (format: <name> <(level)>) — Malacon on Blackgate — 13:21, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't have an issue getting rid of the word "level", I was just wondering if it was actually explicitly stated somewhere :P — Andrealinia 14:25, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

What page are we using for the area format? I read the discussion twice and I have no clue. -Cosmicearthgirl 06:26, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't think there's a consensus yet, but this discussion has been overlooked in favor of figuring out how to format zone articles. For now, just follow one of the two above (using Morgan's Spiral or Godslost Swamp as a basis). They're close enough that changing from one to the other won't be hard. Konig/talk 12:31, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

New Project Cartography template (v2)

I finally finished the new template, its a monster, the code is horrible on media wiki :(. Any way to use it

{{Project Cartography v2|<parameter1>|<parameters2>|<parameter3>|<parameter4>|<parameter5>}}

Parameter order:Main->wrong->broken->split->recent

The parameters are:

• broken - Displays "Template:Project Cartography - Broken Link"
• main - Displays "Template:Project Cartography - Recent split"
• recent - Displays "Template:Project Cartography - Recent split"
• split - Displays "Template:Project Cartography - Split"
• wrong - Displays "Template:Project Cartography - Wrong"

Example 1: A page with the main banner

{{Project Cartography v2|main}}

{{Project Cartography v2|main|}}

Example 2 : A page which requires a clean up

{{Project Cartography v2|main|wrong}}

{{Project Cartography v2|main|wrong}}

Example 3: A page which might be split

{{Project Cartography v2|main|split}}

{{Project Cartography v2|main|split}}

Example 4 : A page has been split

{{Project Cartography v2|main|broken|recent}}

{{Project Cartography v2|main|broken|recent}}

Example 5 : Use all the templates! (Don't do this ever)

{{Project Cartography v2|main|wrong|broken|split|recent}}

{{Project Cartography v2|main|wrong|broken|split|recent}}

Comments

Not sure how to escape an list level. Anyway I'm thinking for the usage of these things we should include it on the nav bars, so we can easily remove them or change them. Unless we are targeting a speicific page (that will mostly be local ones). --Dr.Mobius 05:45, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Probably we should refrain from using them until we have more area pages built. I was just thinking we'd have to put the broken banner on everything... ==Cosmicearthgirl 06:53, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, I'll get on with the nav bars for everything else. --Dr.Mobius 06:57, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

As an outsider to this project I genuinely feel that none of these banners should ever be used. Don't get me wrong, I think Project Cartography in itself is a good idea, but the banners... I feel that they look cheap and amateur-ish, nor do they contribute anything to the page(s) whatsoever. We have {{stub}} for incomplete pages. And for the love of god especially don't put them in templates. I apologize for potentially coming across as overly harsh, but quite frankly these banners have no place on this wiki. --Sirrush 15:36, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Hey guys, I just stumbled across these banners and, while I think that Project Cartography is a great idea, I have to agree with Sirrush that these are too garish. Maybe we could think of a way to help direct users to Project Cartography from the existing {{stub}} template rather than creating several new ones? LordBiro 15:42, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Style considerations aside, these templates give the impression that a particular group of editors, members of the project, have authority over these pages, discouraging new, casual, and anon editors from editing where they can. While I'm sure your intentions were good, these should be removed immediately. - Tanetris 15:57, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I've removed the banners from the nav bars and were they linked in. While I'll agree the banner was a bit of rush job and looks bad and was strongly worded. I don't think it would have put off anon editors that much. Does anyone have any other solutions to linking new editors to the formatting guides? Also would the other 4 templates in that composite template of broken link,split,recent split and inconsistent be okay to use, as the template joins all 4 them together into an easy to use command at the moment. --Dr.Mobius 16:34, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

The way I see it is, if you see a find a page that has wrong formatting you just go ahead and fix it, instead of chucking up a banner and leaving it be, right? Same goes for broken/incorrect links. Splits: There is a general template that can be used as well. Recent splits could also become a general template (as aberant suggests below iirc), which can be pretty useful, provided it links to whatever to the split pages, and that it doesn't stay up forever and ever. --Sirrush 16:54, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree leaving put a banner up and leaving it is a bad thing, but there are lot of pages which are incorrectly formatted (complex bot job I guess). Broken links is there to act as a reminder that some methods of linking might not work anymore such as

[[<page>#<pagepart>]]

which was used in the lists of skill challenges and renown hearts being converted. --Dr.Mobius 17:09, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I like the idea of having a notice at the top of the page. It can put things in categories and help newcomers figure out where to start (as they can go to the category) but I do agree that the banners there might be a bit too in-your-face and strong worded. I came up with some samples in my Sandbox if you want to take a look at them. I worked with the current location-stub format but tried to bring attention to the existence of project cartography too. It might be that we get rid of the "join project cartography" bit, but what do you think to them? — Andrealinia 12:28, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I think they were looking more for a way to direct people to PC from the existing location-stub template rather than us making new templates. --75.150.47.217 17:04, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Yet more very nicely formatted templates from Andrealinia :p. You know the routine by now, please replace the existing ones and thanks :) . --Dr.Mobius 08:15, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Due to we are no longer using this template can we have it archived and out of the way? Anzenketh 12:21, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't see any reason not to. I think there are a few discussions on here that are concluded, you might as well archive them and then they can always be brought up again! — Andrealinia 12:29, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Userbox (for user pages)

We now have the Project Cartography userbox (don't know about you but my user page is pretty empty) --Dr.Mobius 09:59, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

{{User Project Cartography|<username>}}

<username> is part of Project Cartography.

Oh sweet, I was wondering if something like this existed. Excellent. Also hi. -Lutia 14:54, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Hey :), if you have any suggestion on changing the looks of this please say so, or just change it (the style apparently looks bad) :p. --Dr.Mobius 17:12, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

So I thought I'd help out and created this userbox that fits in with the others, not sure if you want to use it or not — Andrealinia 07:27, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

That's much better than my bodged version of it(my css/media wiki templates are bad and I should feel bad), please feel free to overwrite the existing one with it :) --Dr.Mobius 07:39, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Done :) I removed the sample I put here to clean the page a bit! — Andrealinia 07:42, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Category and templates

Looks like a bad time for me add this... but I'm thinking you don't need that project-specific Category:Project Cartography subcategory. I'd recommend making the names and usage of your templates more generic. For example, why not rename Template:Project Cartography - Recent split to Template:Recent split? Then it doesn't have to be specific to this project. -- ab.er.rant 16:08, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Template:Recent Split was created before the banner :p, although I could convert some of the other ones link the broken link one. --Dr.Mobius 16:23, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Formatting of waypoint and point of interest tables

Currently the waypoint and point of intrests are up to be moved into seperate area based pages (like with renown hearts,skill challanges and vistas) I'm unsure how the table should be structured, see the examples below.

Waypoints

{{:List of waypoints in Blazeridge Steppes}}

Points of interest

{{:List of points of interest in Gendarran Fields}}

Comments

Any ideas/feedback would be great before we convert the current format to this. Plus its going to be a pain to move all the exisiting content from location pages (maybe a bot job). --Dr.Mobius 17:25, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I think the content of the table is fine, there's not much more you can do with that. I am wondering if users really want to click four different links from the area page rather than have everything they need for that area on the page itself. I don't know enough about the Wiki to know if you can display part of the content of a table on a page. For example, is there a way to display just the Quetzal field portions of the renown heart table and have it linked to the main table? --Cosmicearthgirl 18:50, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I do think we should spell interest correctly though.  ;) --Cosmicearthgirl 18:54, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I'll fix the spelling bit in a moment :), there should be away of selecting individual records from the table its just css. I'm a bit rusty but I’ll look into it in a moment :) --Dr.Mobius 19:05, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Oh dear, well I figured out how to do it, only problem is it requires javascript (which required admin approval) but otherwise I can make a simple script which will allow you select certain rows from a table. If we really felt like it we could condense all the information from hearts,skill challenges and have it as once massive table which we select from. I'll get back in a few hours with a prototype script  :) --Dr.Mobius 19:18, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I think users will want both the area info on the area page and the current structure you have. The broken out tables specific to an area will be handy if someone is looking for that last heart or more likely, point of interest. I've done that about four times already. --Cosmicearthgirl 19:23, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Just realised I forgot to id the different table elements >.< (derp), getting there though :D. --Dr.Mobius 00:03, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

So I've just seen this and are we still wanting to use this format? I just put in the area and point of interest name. The closest waypoint and description might be necessary though (see Caledon Forest for what I've done). — Andrealinia 14:44, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Fair warning, I'm completely new to anything Wiki! But I am interested in helping with Project Cartography. I'm wondering the same thing as Andrea... Also, where should I go if I'm confused about page structure? The Divinity's Reach page has fairly poor structure (specifically the Locations section) - the (Waypoint) text after a location doesn't look as nice as possibly other formats... Perhaps the Map Completion section and the Locations section could be merged somehow. Probably the wrong location for that, though? D: --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Mockingjay (talk).

I don't see much purpose behind making list of waypoint pages, personally (they won't have their individual pages, will they?). As to page structure, see the #New layout proposal discussion. Konig/talk 23:20, 18 September 2012 (UTC

Renown Hearts Dialogue

So for the renown hearts dialogs, they seem to love their loops. Any idea on how to format the dialogue tree properly for this? -Lutia 01:24, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Its a tricky one :/, using Carmel from Mount malestrom:

• Inquest problems, I take it?
  • How can I help?
    • Arcane crystal grindings?
      • Good to know you mentioned sick animals? (goes to sick animals option)
      • Thats terrible. I'll see what i Can do.
    • The animals are getting sick?
      • Whats happening to the skale?
        • Aggressive skale are nothing new. what else?
        • right ill start cleaning.
      • What about the other wildlife?
        • I'll do what i can. Anything else?
        • time to clean this place up
      • What was that about crystal grindings?
      • Thats unfortunate. good luck.
    • Guess I should get started, then.
  • I'll see what i can do.
• Thanks, See you around.

I think for indcateing loops maby we should do

Good to know you mention sick animals? The animals are getting sick?

So it would look like

Inquest problems, I take it?

How can I help?

Arcane crystal grindings?

Good to know you mention sick animals? The animals are getting sick?

Thats terrible. I'll see what i Can do.

The animals are getting sick?

Whats happening to the skale?

Aggressive skale are nothing new. what else?

right ill start cleaning.

What about the other wildlife?

I'll do what i can. Anything else?

time to clean this place up

What was that about crystal grindings? Arcane crystal grindings?

Thats unfortunate. good luck.

Guess I should get started, then.

I'll see what i can do.

Thanks, See you around.

Or another idea i had was to use this logo instead to denote loops. We would also have to mention this on the talk page for the npc dialogue template and we it would have to be resized using |(number)px:

Good to know you mention sick animals?

Hows that? --Dr.Mobius 02:14, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

As suggested by RealCookieMonster Good to know you mention sick animals? The animals are getting sick?

And the other way around Good to know you mention sick animals? The animals are getting sick? --Dr.Mobius 03:06, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

As a side note I really really need to read my rushed posts before saving them the amount of typos in the last section is criminal >.< --Dr.Mobius 07:34, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

In your defense, it was kind of a lot of text. --Cosmicearthgirl 08:02, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Yeah this should work fine. Also, need to not get brutally sick in the middle of actually attempting to do something.-Lutia 04:41, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Vistas

Vistas don't have names, so the "List of vistas" pages really shouldn't have a name column. —Dr Ishmael 20:33, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

True, but naming them by the nearest location / POI makes it easier to identify them. --Zerebruin 08:29, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Indeed I find nothing wrong with that + > that saying vista no 1. Metrica Province has nice named ones. – Trolloli "I wasn't born, I spawned" 09:37, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

"naming them by the nearest location / POI makes it easier to identify them" All that is doing is repeating text within the same line, because the tables already list the area they are in and the nearest waypoint. We should not be making up names for things that don't have in-game names. —Dr Ishmael 13:59, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Have you looked at the page the table is on? It's on the explorable zone page. This means if they didn't have a name the table wouldn't specify where the vista was. Maybe (if you're that fussed) the wording can be changed and instead of saying "name" it can say "area" thereby identifying where the vista is and yet not "making up names for things that don't have in-game names". — Andrealinia 07:10, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I've been using the one on Metrica Province as my reference. The table already has an Area column, so removing Name would still tell you where it is. —Dr Ishmael 12:54, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Location Page Layout

Have we decided upon a standard layout for the location pages? There seems to be some kind of general feeling but some pages have the hearts listed on them and some of them don't. Do we have an "example" page? It might be a good idea to have a list of "example" pages on the main page of the project so that if someone wants to create a page or correct a layout they know exactly what they are aiming for. — Andrealinia 12:59, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I have one I'm using, although I just started a couple of days ago. Totally open to change though. --Cosmicearthgirl 17:08, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Grrr...I meant to include this...Quetzal Bay --Cosmicearthgirl 17:08, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll stick it on the main page as a template so it's easy to find! — Andrealinia 07:46, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

The only thing with this one is that the hearts table is going to be a total pain until we can find a way to link just rows from the table. I can change this page to reflect the old format until we do that. I'm also torn between specifically saying there are no waypoints or whatnot and just leaving them out. As a user, I kind of prefer to know for sure there are no waypoints rather than wondering if they just haven't been put on the page yet. It makes for a longer page though. Thoughts? --Cosmicearthgirl 08:34, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I've got a solution posted for the row selection (subject to admin approval), and I agree that it should be indicated if an area has no way points,skill challenges etc. Why not edit the infobox in the right hand corner and have it so it shows way points etc are 0 for an area? --Dr.Mobius 08:40, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Yay on the solution! I did that with some and didn't with others. I can standardize. The other benefit to having them listed out as none is that it preserves the page formatting. If someone comes along later looking to use it on another page, they don't have to piece it all together. --Cosmicearthgirl 08:42, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Keep up the great work :D the Quetzal Bay page looks really nice. --Dr.Mobius 08:48, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

What to include in the Locations section for regions (and how to format)

Hello all. I'll confess and say I did not do a proper study of guidelines and Projects that are worked on in this wiki. That has led me to maybe make a non-standards-conforming change in the Location sections for Metrica Province.

Looking now at te good work you have underway to create separate pages for region-heart-information and likewise for Skill Challenges and vista's, I was wondering whether you plan to do a similar thing for area's within a zone ? And if so, what information do you expect to include for it ?

The reason I started to restructure the Location-info on the Metrica Province page, was that it was a very extensive list off all kinds of area's, and then intended PoI's, Vista's, Waypoint's etc. The size of that list didnt help in making the information accessible nor clear. Jackybah 17:57, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I like that layout, it has everything in a clear readable format instead of just being lists. I'll put it with the other template on the front page and if further discussion leads us to change it then fair enough! — Andrealinia 07:44, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

So I have a couple of aesthetic suggestions for the layout :) For the tables I think the column names want to the aligned left rather than centred and, in the vista column on the Locations table, how about a tick image instead of the word "vista" ? It might also be nice to have the appropriate images in the column names as well (ie, points of interest, renown hearts images) like seen in the vista's table — Andrealinia 07:55, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

The layout is very nice, I've just tried to come up with a solution to this problem by asking for a filter script to be added to the wiki [[Subsettable.js]]. My problem with the table is that we will have to multiple instances of the same data, so when changes occur it wont propagate to the other tables. I guess we could try and script a solution which pulls the information from all the different pages, but that is pointlessly intensive for the user as they would have to retrieve 3-6 pages only for a few lines of text from each. Really the ideal solution would be a SQL database I guess (although that could make it harder for less technically oriented users to enter info). Andrealinia you have some experience with programming as well, what do you think?

Oh also we don't have fully agreed standards (yet), I'm going to pretty up the Project's page and also include some sandbox example pages with the standards in.

I certainly agree with the appropriate images it breaks up the table and makes it look pretty (while also making it easier to read). --Dr.Mobius 08:09, 6 September 2012 (UTC))

Would it not be simpler to just create sub pages, yes it might mean that some info has to be duplicated (on the area page) in order for it to remain neat - but that's just part of a wiki. If we start getting into sql tables and so on, it's not going to be very user friendly. I'll have a look and see if there's some savvy code that could take the table from the list of hearts in the explore zone page and just display the columns where the area name matches. For example: For The Hinterlabs page it gets data from the table "List of hearts in Metrica Province" it just displays the rows with the area column "The Hinterlabs" (if that makes sense) — Andrealinia 10:00, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

For the savy code bit [[Subsettable.js]] does that (it traverses all the cells in the header to determine the column and then hides the unwanted rows (client side)), obviously though its useless unless an admin includes it in the common.js . ab.er pointed out two interesting plugins which exist on the wiki, DynamicPageList although that seems to be for report lists and Semantic MediaWiki (but due to the lack of class and identifier tags in the tables I don't think there is enough meta data for it to reliably retrieve information). Semantic mediawiki I think would probably be our best chance assuming we can get all the meta data added. --Dr.Mobius 10:22, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Ahhh! I thought that's what it did, I just couldn't figure it out in the brief time I had to glance at it :P I've not looked at Semantic mediawiki before, but would the meta data be that difficult to include? Surely we can just add pretty identifiers in. — Andrealinia 10:49, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks all for your positive feedback ! I'll add the icons in the column titles. Thank you Andrealinia for your sandbox example. I also think that an added column (either in first or second position) with the recommended level would offer a nice sorting-option.Jackybah 19:29, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

For aesthetics I'm playing around in my Sandbox so keep an eye on it and throw opinions at me? — Andrealinia 11:04, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Andrealinia ! I'll copy your example-additions to the pages of Metrica Province and Wayfarer Foothills. Jackybah 19:29, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

In the case that the columns-titles remain centred (but pls note that I agree with the suggestion to align them left), I would suggest that the sorting icons all be placed on the bottom row of the Titles. (If possible of course). kind regards Jackybah 19:29, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I'll have a play around and see what I can come up with :) — Andrealinia 07:45, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

So I messed around with it. If you have a look now I've got some different types for column headers - Image then words, words then image and just images - I quite like the just images versions. What does everyone else think? — Andrealinia 07:53, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion regarding the layout. I took some of that and added it to the Wayfarer Foothills and the Metrica Province pages. I also added some break-lines in the title-row; I feel this both solves the sometimes inconsistency in whether the sort-icon is displayed on the top or on the bottom line (now always bottom), and it also somwhat reduced the clutter of icons and text in it. But I have not yet found a solution to left-align the titles. Jackybah 22:36, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

To left align the table headers replace the ! at the start of the row with a | you can then just bold the table names :) — Andrealinia 07:16, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

So I had a thought, do we really need so much information on these pages? For example on the Metrica Province page we have the "Locations" sections that nicely, neatly (and without any spoilers) gives all the information. Do we then need the more indetailed "Renown hearts", "Skill challenges", "Points of Interest" and "Vistas" sections? These can be found by either clicking through to the area, or by clicking through to the particular heart page. I fear we're trying to throw too much information on one page and, in the process, might end up making the page too messy. I would recommend leaving the "Events" and "Resource Nodes" sections because no where else on that page do we give the information (whereas the other four are all in the locations table). My proposal is we have the Explorable Zone pages as information hubs that just provide the necessary information in a concise manner and leave the details for the area pages and the dedicated pages. — Andrealinia 12:24, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

I feel that I agree with you feeling that the pages become quite full and cluttered with all the tables. I was thinking whether it would solve it if we add a 'chapter' with Additional information, and from that offer links to 'More information on the Events happening in this zone', 'More information on Skill Challenges in this zone', etc. Jackybah 22:36, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

I would like to note that we might want to consider to temporarily Do include all the detailed-tables on Skill Challenges, Hearts, PoI's, etc. This for two purposes: I found it helped to build one summary-table, when you have the detailed information more easily available. And the other reason is that is would be (temporarily) better visible how far we are with 'filling in' those detail-tables. Jackybah 22:36, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

I had this in my head for a few days as well but just give out the sub-areas of the map under location with just the level(-range) and keep the current sections describing the rest. How it is now I find the info under "locations" in Metrica Province quite huge and double information if you consider the other sections on that page. Trolloli 22:33, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

How to include Jumping puzzles on the region pages

I think it might be a good idea to discuss how to make jumping puzzles accessible from the region pages. (And please know I mean the following with a lot of respect to Dr Ismhael !!) I added a link (under the Skill Challenges column) for the jumping puzzle in Metrica Province. I believed (as I added the link marked 'Jumping puzzle') that was the best place in the Location Table. 10 minutes later I found the link had been removed. I feel that the jumping puzzle is an important item to make visible and available on the region page. I look forward to seeing your views on this topic pls :-) Jackybah 20:00, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Jumping puzzles are rare enough that they should be given special prominence on a zone page, instead of being hidden somewhere within that bloated table. Listing it under the skill challenge column was simply not correct. (Sorry for being blunt, but I don't have a lot of time to expound my stance at this time.) —Dr Ishmael 20:30, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

I feel as though it wouldn't hurt to have them mentioned on the zone pages. I agree that they don't belong under skill challenges (they're not) so maybe create a new row in the table for jumping puzzles and place a tick if the area has one? Or put a symbol after the area name to indicate whether a jumping puzzle is there or not. — Andrealinia 20:43, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Zones average 1 jumping puzzle each. Do you really need a column that will only have a single entry in it? The tables are unwieldy enough as it is. Put the jumping puzzles in their own section on the page or no one's going to see them. —Dr Ishmael 20:47, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the new column, the table is a nice brief summary and contains all the information you could ever want. I don't believe there are any icons for jumping puzzles so we might have to choose one, or we can just leave the column heading as "jumping puzzles" for now. At some point we should probably take a look at jumping puzzle pages. --Dr.Mobius 20:49, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

That's the problem, though - because it "contains all the information you could ever want", it's difficult to find the specific information that you want right now. Adding a mostly-empty column would just make that worse. —Dr Ishmael 21:48, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Keep it how it is now as a own section (I made a link to jumping puzzle of the section title). In my opinion remove the location description and only give the jumping puzzle name on an area page. Leave the exact point of location to the respective page with an included screenshot of the starting location rather than only describing it. Trolloli 22:04, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

I went through all the region pages to add a 'Jumping puzzle' chapter on all of them. In that way the information is available from the region page at least for now. Trolloli is correct in his/her conclusion that I also copied the location information from the 'general Jumping Puzzle'-page for now. I have gone through all the individual jumping puzzles to see whether they offer sufficient info on where to start/find them. I feel that someone looking to find the jumping puzzle in a region , would look for that on the region page. Jackybah 22:36, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

I am still unsure whether and/or how to show the Jumping puzzle in the 'summary Location-table'. Maybe a more general chapter with all kind of links to 'more detailed region specific information' (Skill Challenges, Events, Hearts, etc, etc) might help (as suggested a bit above )

I agree with Dr.Mobius and Andrealinia in that there should be an new column on the summary table for the jumping puzzles, personally I don't see how the table appears cluttered as it is; there is plenty of space for more information on the table (and in my opinion, if we don't end up adding a new column, we should at least centre the damn tables) —RealCookieMonster 1:19, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

I find the table with all the location information a little hard to read. It may be because the titles are centered, but the text is left aligned and that the contrast color for the rows is so light that it's difficult to follow a row all the way across, especially when the only thing in the area is at the other end of the table. Maybe if we put "none" or "unknown" instead of just a blank? Just like with the area pages, I think it needs to be clear whether there are no renown hearts or if they just aren't filled in yet. --Cosmicearthgirl 06:12, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

About the contrast between the rows is for me also hard to see I just have to watch my screen from a different angle. The colored rows just need to be a tad darker. As for the location section Metrica Province I still find it way to much info, while there are nice split off sections on the same page almost describing the same thing. – Trolloli "I wasn't born, I spawned" 10:49, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

May the 'list of ...' pages be used in Region-pages yet ?

Hello all, I was wondering whether it is OK to use the include-statements '{'{:name'}'} already in pages that outline information for a region. I see that some of the pages already have content. May they be used ? Or do you plan to first finish those pages, and then introduce the 'include-statements'? Kind regards again Jackybah 18:01, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Ohh, and do you also plan on creating pages for 'List of events in the <<region>>' ? So for Events ? Jackybah 18:07, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to include any information from the list pages, we haven't fully agreed on how we are going to do it. But we will update the project page when we have. We also do plan to create list of event pages for better structuring of the data and for consistency. --Dr.Mobius 08:11, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply :-) I'll include them then, when applicable.

Updated project page

I have updated the project page to make it have better objective lists along with percentage bars etc. If anyone has any other objective to adds to one of the lists be do so, as well as tweaking percentages of our current progress as they are guestimates at best. Also at some point we need to improve the formatting section and the template section (which should be in the appendix (only template)). --Dr.Mobius 09:41, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Map icon template

Most of the times when pictures are linked often you would have something like a template, probably with a tooltip and a linked to the page. Something like this: . A good example for that are the currencies like .

Since you are the guys that feel responsable for the whole Cartography thing. Do you want something like an map icon template, or do you think this is unnessessary? - Yandere 07:55, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you mean but I think that this could be needed for all the images we use (eg. waypoint, scout, point of interest) — Andrealinia 12:31, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

I just found this Template:Map icon — Andrealinia 12:35, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

I was a little tired when I wrote this. I try to explain better what I ment. ^^

I had in mind that there was such template somewhere, but didn't see you guys use it that much. For example is the karma and the scout symbol in the table header on this page are linked direclly to the image and doesn't utilize the karma template. Some people do not see the need to use such a template other people just do not know they exist or you can simply create them. I usually do not like to link Files directlly. Especially when I hav do do this very often. So I just wanted to bring this to your attention. And ask I you feel the need to utilize a template. Well, I am still very tired and my English isn't at it's best when I am tired, but it seem that I have fullfilled my objective anyway. O_o - Yandere 12:54, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Your English is very good! I found it and starting swapping the images over on some of the pages :) I think it was just that we didn't know about it. The only icon missing on there (that we use) is the scout icon but I made a template for that ^_^ — Andrealinia 14:08, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, you can just add it into the existing template. - Yandere 14:48, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Actually I've seen people add icons for the crafting resource nodes too. I wonder if there's a template for that? My understanding of templates would fit on the head of a pin with room left for angels to dance, but I can copy and paste really well.  ;) --Cosmicearthgirl 20:13, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

In the same category as the other two: Template:Gathering icon. —Dr Ishmael 20:34, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Project Cartography Templates v3

So after much though I realised we didn't need an incorrect information template (just delete the incorrect information!) but I do believe a wrong format one is needed as you don't always have time to fix the format of the page and it gives time to do things later.

Therefore we have a stub (just edited to mention project cartography)

{{location-stub}}

and a clean up one that can be used for formatting or wrong info/long winded data

{{location-cleanup}}

— Andrealinia 08:20, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

That is awesome. I've been making notes in Evernote about ones that need the formatting fixed. My fingers thank you. My Evernote database thanks you! --Cosmicearthgirl 20:09, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Andrealinia. I'll go through the Wayfarer Foothills, and Metrica Province regions and area's tomorrow and include the references as needed. A small note: I somehow expected a link to the agreed-upon-template from the cleanup-message. Might that be usefull perhaps ? Kind regards Jackybah 22:41, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Looks good a lot better then version 2. That is how I found this project. Is there a way that we can have a list of all the pages that need cleaned up. Anzenketh 20:29, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

If you go into the categories they should be there: Category:Location stubs and [[:Category:Incorrect formatting]]‏‎ — Andrealinia 07:18, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Renown Hearts Template

Is there one somewhere? I have been trying to update some of the information as I complete hearts and notice that info is missing from the related wiki page. I have noticed a variation in the formatting and don't want to use formatting from an existing page if it's not the one that is going to be the 'final version'. I am not great at wiki formatting, I usually copy, paste and then change info from an existing page. I saw this and thought it looks pretty good. If you, the original contributors are ok with this format, I will use it as I enter info Help Yoal weaken the krait and recover kidnapped hylek Em Jae 13:48, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

good or not I also kept this style as reference when creating new pages with missing info, only adding the infobox and mail template. (Was working on the heart pages in Caledon Forest, which I'm not finished yet placing the stubs completely. – Trolloli "I wasn't born, I spawned" 14:47, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Anyone have any objections if we use this as standardization?

{{Heart infobox
| region =
| area = 
| zone = 
| level = 
| npc =  
| helped = 
| scout = 
| exp = 
| reward = <!-- Not the money attached in the mail -->
}}

{{quotation|Heart objective|.}}

==Contributing actions==
{{section-stub}}

===Contributing events===
{{section-stub}}

==Completion mail==
{{Mail
| sender = 
| subject = 
| content = 
| sign = 
| reward =  {{bronze}}
}}

Em Jae 18:08, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

I like that and have been using it. Though I guess I filled in the infobox reward section wrong (with the money in the mail!), do any of them have a reward besides experience upon completion? If its not the mail money, I can recall any other. --Sepp 18:19, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

So far I have not received any additional rewards beside the coin in the mail. Usual I leave it blank and will not show up. Maybe for future, higher lv item rewards. – Trolloli "I wasn't born, I spawned" 18:46, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Is there an easy way to figure out how much experience you are getting for heart completion? I don't see it listed anywhere on screen, and other than watching the exp bar like a hawk and then performing some simple mathematics I can't think of anything. Em Jae 19:14, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

The rewards you get from completing the heart (xp coin in mail) follow a what seems to be a geometric progression based on the level required for the heart. I'm currently working on a table and I'll get back to you on that, as you apparently you get karma for completing hearts between 1-10 which might ruin the table. If you miss an xp reward look around the existing tables and find a heart with the same level. --Dr.Mobius 10:23, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Do we want to include the dialog for the Heart before it is completed. Sometimes it gives good information in regards to the area or a story behind it. Or do we just want to tell the story.Anzenketh 07:31, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Heart Dialogues (talking to the npc) are placed at the respective NPC. For example Calcutician Doola. – Trolloli "I wasn't born, I spawned" 11:08, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

I've been trying to fully document dialogue of Heart NPCs both before and after, here's a fully complete one: Sheriff Kaargoth Bloodclaw, a bit lengthy but it does have good info about the heart there. --Sepp 12:20, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

The reward is always a coin value. So you can use the value template for this. 1  2  3  - Yandere 11:39, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Temple

I just created the Temple page. Since Orr has no Heart Quests but Temples this belongs into the whole Cartography thing I guess. I just wanted to bring this to your attention because I have edit standardards I am not entirely familiar with. So fell free to standardize. - Yandere 00:30, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

"How to" maps or videos for Waypoints, PoI, Vistas, Jumping Puzzles

I bet this was already discussed, but I can't find where. Anybody doing how to maps or videos for any of the above? It would be really useful for those who can't find things. I've uploaded one map so far, not sure how to really integrate it into the article (I'll let those of you with knowledge and style work something out). Maps are good for a lot of things and easy to make, but I don't think it will totally work for everything. We could make a Youtube/Vimeo/etc account called "Guild Wars 2 Wiki" (if that is allowed) and upload content there. Either admins could upload files sent to them or a select few could all have the login info (people you know you can trust, like me - just kidding, my computer wouldn't be able to handle recording videos) and then we could embed those videos directly into articles! What do you think? I think it's a good idea! I see Wikis like strategy guides or oversized manuals, so maps and videos would help. Previously Unsigned 07:20, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

I've not seen a discussion for this. I think the videos could be made and uploaded, but I don't know where to. — Andrealinia 07:25, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

I have seen this pop up somewhere and it was that a dedicated project group should be established with only a few people so the recordings and style are the same throughout the video's. Creating a separate channel for this sounds good tho. I can record up to 1080p with ease (even in 3D) but I don't have other software to encode it with high quality nor have a good English voice to do the voice over (a) – Trolloli "I wasn't born, I spawned" 09:37, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

How to maps are awesome imo. External link especially youtube videos... there is a discussion about that topic here. So feel free to jump in. - Yandere 10:27, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Explorer Achievements

Will Project Cartography also detail all the "explorable areas" - i.e. the ones that will give the "<area name> discovered!" messages. It is unclear if all of the "areas" follow that mechanic. It is difficult near the end of the explorer achievements because the maps not indicate unexplored areas and hidden areas are well... hidden. -DalinSeivewright 19:58, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

I would imagine so - even if it's just a trivia bit on each page. "This area counts towards exploration but does not display a message", "This area displays a message", "This area is hidden" for example. — Andrealinia 06:19, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty certain that any area with a name on the map will display a discover message. If it doesn't get its own name on the map, it's not a distinct area, and doesn't count for the explorer achievements. The formatting consensus is that each area should have its own article. —Dr Ishmael 06:33, 16 September 2012 (UTC)