Talk:Professions reveal/Misplaced discussions

First Character

God damn it Niel, you beat me :(. OMG OMG OMG /ORGASM! ELEMENTALIST <3<3<3. (Speculation ofc) --aut (t) 17:15, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

"Elementalist"? Actual profession or the GW2 equivalent? Either way, she looks awesome. --Ravencroft0 01:19, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

It is specifically stated by ANet that there is an elementalist, plus there are pictures of an elementalist wearing this exact outfit. So yes, this is an elementalist, no speculation. :) 75.90.149.4 01:40, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

3rd May

^, Please please please please please more detail. Hopefully either the bottom right or the bottom left. Since people have guessed the other ones to well. Nobody has a clue about those ones :) --aut (t) 11:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

For serious. I'd like to think they'd unveil these things on a weekly basis, but that's probably not the case. Twitchy 18:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, on their blog, they wrote: "In the weeks ahead, we’ll be releasing more information and unveiling those shadowy figures on Guild Wars 2.com." So there is hope. ^_^ · LOQUAY · 18:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

They also said that they don't have a weekly schedule, however. It's on the GW2Guru forums somewhere :( -- NilePenguin 19:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm thinking they reveal a class every week and we get more info every week.. ofc knowing A-net the new ones will be released last :P Celle

Thought they said Not Monthly--Knighthonor 22:39, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

its been over 3 weeks now...wheres the more important details on prophessions to know about each week at?

Probably every month....

Unmasking the Remaining Professions

Any guesses on the other professions?

(1) I think the big charr-looking one on the far left is a gunner. Looks like he's holding a bazooka to me.

(2) The one in front of that looks like a Human Assassin/Ranger/"Thief". Something with daggers and spikey hair, maybe? Or Sylvari..?

(3) Behind that on the right looks to me like a Sylvari based on what look like the ears. Also, I've thought it could be an Asura being held on a Golem. As for a profession, I think it could be a Necromancer, maybe?

(4) Elementalist we see.

(5) The big guy in the center back is almost obviously a Warrior if not some other warrior-like class specializing in hammer/greatsword/big weapons.

(6) The low one on the ground is almost obviously an Asura though it almost looks like plants/roots and therefore a Sylvari. However, I think it might be an Asuran Warrior with a shield on its left arm/our right.

(7) The woman second to last looks almost certainly Norn (and somewhat Caithe-like) or possibly Human. Proffesion-wise, the tattoos/markings look to me like they could be a Summoner/Ritualist type or maybe even Necromancer? I see what looks like a spider web design.

(8) Finally, on the far right, I see what looks like a Human male with a staff in the ground and his coat tail flying upward. I think he may be a Summoner-type also or perhaps even a Warlock/Monk type?

I can most certainly be wrong so don't take my posts seriously. I'm not sure on what professions are to come though I have some ideas. I'm just curious. What do you think? --Spigs 22:36, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I've heard the gunner idea before for the big Charr looking guy. Don't know how a gunner class would work in the world, though. I just hope there's a necro or something sufficiently "goth-y" enough so I can get my broody dark character fix ok Twitchy 00:56, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

What if the Norn in the back is the new Soldier, and the person on the far Right is a Warrior,--Knighthonor 00:58, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's possible the one in the back may not be a Warrior, but a big, Warrior-like profession. Warrior's not even officially announced yet. And as for the far right, it's possible. It does look like he may be holding a spear/sword, but it still looks too 'stealthy' to me. Maybe an adventurer and therefore our Thief? --Spigs 01:05, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Warriors have been confirmed --Knighthonor 01:26, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

The one on the far right is the most confusing. He is clearly wearing armor and wielding a shield and what appears to be a sword (for some reason it looks like a rifle to me, but those are two-handed). Then there is the obviously large melee norn and the small asura with a shield. One of them has to be a light or medium armor class (maybe the asura is a shield-wielding scholar or adventurer). Not to feed KH, but the guy on the far right does look like a templar. :P -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 02:11, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

This brings up a interesting question. How many professions can use Shields? Wondering about that?--Knighthonor 02:19, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I have wondered if casters could use shields, but I'd imagine they'd probably just stick with focuses for energy though it's possible the functions for each have changed considering we also now have torches and warhorns.

Well, casters would probably want a shield swap! For some reason, it seems like none of those professions are using any off-hands besides shields.... -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 02:45, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

That might be because we're not sure what the warhorn/torch do yet. I think it's possible that the horns will do party-wise buffing and maybe the torch.. um... It's a beacon and causes all the baddies to attack you to tank! Yeah, that's it! (I really don't know)But I'm sure they'll have some purpose. Maybe they're primarily for Adventurers as focuses are for Scholars..? --Spigs 03:36, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Thinking on the warhorn: maybe one of the adventurer proffesions is a Bard? MebbeI needto lay off the D&D, but if a horn counts as a type of weapon... Also, a torch could just be a flaming club. Zolann The Irreverent 17:28, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Accordig to my research we have: A Charr Engineer/Golemancer (The gun is on his backpack, he's carrying tools and there are two Golem looking hands), an Asuran Necromancer, an Human/Sylvari Assassin, a Norn Warrior, a Norn/Human Mesmer (she has an illusive sword), a Sylvari Ranger (maybe with a pet) and a Human Knight (with magic abilities)--_{I Am}Legion talk 17:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure that golemancers would just be asuran Engineers. Golems are pretty unique to that race. --Kyoshi (Talk) 17:37, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't know how anybody makes any thing out of those images. Just look like blobs to me. Ramei Arashi 00:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Hope!

I seroisly hope they release something tomorrow. Its been 2 weeks! Just a blurred picture will do :'( </beg> --aut /(t) 15:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Too much information for such a short time. I think they should release information smaller doses, especially if they want that until the exit of the beta they will surprise us each time with more information. 3 weeks between each time is a normal thing to do. -- Itay Alon • Talk 16:49, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I was hoping for 2 weeks between unveilings. That would've meant they could've kept us busy for 4 months,... Hope they do (follow a 2 week schedule). If they do, just 3 days left. --Naoroji 16:52, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

3 weeks * 8 professions = 6 months... just a good time to start the beta =] -- Itay Alon • Talk 16:54, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

BY THE GODS I hope yer right. NERR NERR NERR! I also hope that if they do the skillmovies again they use a nonhuman race. I'd like to see some charr or asuran animations. Heh, lol asura warrior. Zolann The Irreverent 17:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Also: What was the exactdate the Elementalist was revealed? Zolann The Irreverent 17:17, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Think it was the 28th? Anniversary-date, no? --Naoroji 17:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Ooh, yeah. Thanks. So it's been about 13-fourteen days since...hmmm...If the Beta is gonna be released late fall/early winter next year then the above hypothesis sounds the most plausible, considering the fact that they probably want to reveal all the profs before the beta. /longcomment :p Zolann The Irreverent 17:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

"If the Beta is gonna be released late fall/early winter next year" Lolwut? its coming this year. thats almost totaly asured, they showed gameplay in the first trailer, remember?.--Neil2250 17:27, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Right...You could also see gameplay here. I'm expecting a release on April 28th 2011, so Arena Net would need to keep us busy for one year. Revealing one profession per month would keep people interested until November, and then we could have a two months beta starting on February. Erasculio 23:30, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Um, that video is from 2003 for GW1... I'd be REALLY disappointed if that were the gameplay for GW2. hah --Spigs 00:21, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

It's a video showing GW1 gameplay (or at least what we were told would be GW1 gameplay) in 2003, two years before the release of the game. Therefore, the fact that we have seen GW2 gameplay on the first trailer does not mean it's "totaly asured" we will have release or a beta in this year, or in the next. Erasculio 00:39, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Engineer

a Engineer Class would be rocking. Check out my concept for a Engineer —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Knighthonor (talk • contribs).

Oh please, Knighthonor, don't do this again... yes, it's wonderful that you suggested the idea, and I think it's great that you want to be involved, but if it's applied, I doubt it is because they read your suggestion. I am not trying to sound mean; your suggestion is quite creative. However, it was suggested quite late into the progression of the game. If they do have an engineer, it's more likely it was from this suggestion than from yours, but I doubt it would fully be from either, seeing as how they probably had to plan these things earlier on. However, I encourage you to suggest ideas nonetheless; who knows what might end up in a future expansion? ^^ --Amannelle 22:44, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

HOHO, he created that today! Hilarious. And he thinks class concepts are still going to be looked at? --Naoroji 22:55, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Um, no, the point was to share my view of how a Engineer class would work--Knighthonor 23:07, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

In this interview they said 'charr engineers.' I know that doesn't mean it will be a proffesion, but... Zolann The Irreverent 20:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I believe it simply means an npc job, like the Kournan Siege Engineer from the Nightfall mission, Consulate Docks. Although, it could very well mean you're helping pc "engineers" build siege engines, helping other players do there roles, which seems like something the devs would have done by looking at the new dynamic event system. --Ravencroft0 07:28, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe

I think they might release the next picture today, because they don't have to release the blank picture first. I could be wrong, though, and it might be an every-three-weeks schedule. A three week schedule would put us at approx. November and a two week schedule would put us at August, the one year anniversary of the teaser release. Either one seems like a plausible time setting for beta, November more so than August. In fact, I'm more lenient toward the November date (I just really hope it isn't that long :( ). It seems more likely that A-net will try to keep our interest flagged as long as they can, and give themselves enough time to put out the best game they possibly can. Either way, it gives us a 4-6 month window of time which will be a field day on this wiki. ;D CelleyBear 13:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

If this is how Anet wants to do it, I don't think it's such a good idea. Launching the Beta shortly after they released the last proffesion doesn't give the time to evryone to make a good-This is definatley my pdroffesion- feeling.

I would be wiser to release other content later, and that they have the proffesions released a month or o before the Beta. But that' just my idea--Sierra84.196.117.220 14:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

True, true. CelleyBear 14:25, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I think they choose at 3 weeks between each piece of information for now (#Hope!), and when we will be closer to beta, they will release more information in short ranges.-- Itay Alon • Talk 15:05, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

New reveal?

Hey guys, i just checked out the GW2 website, and i noticed that some triangle shape behind the elementalist has become more whiter. Just like the leg of the Ele before it got revealed. Mayby a new reveal this week? I really hope so. --Mann 08:44, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't see something new, are you sure? -- Itay Alon • Talk 09:21, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Compare the screen with the file (where the ele is revealed) on the Professions_reveal page --Mann 09:37, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

The triangle has been made more clear for quite some time now. -- Arduin 10:03, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Ah ok, i didn't noticed it before. so... --Mann 10:24, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

If you go on the website and go on the proffesions section, move the picture so you can see to the right a bit, the big guys leg behind the elementalists looks like stone, not just a shiloute

Yeah it's true, now must wait and analyze the changes. --_{I Am}Legion talk 22:31, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Other than it appears to be heavy armor, nothing else can be gleaned that we didn't already go over/suspect. My question is, has it been like that and only just now did someone notice?--Corsair@Yarrr 23:00, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Someone notice. The white part has always been there. So...false alarm? Nevermind --_{I Am}Legion talk 23:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

There is an overall difference in the quality of the pic on the main GW2 page, when compared with the wiki reveal page. The "whitening" mentioned is the picture being brought into clarity as a whole. I actually don't think there will even start to be a reveal until... well this Thursday. There are eight professions, as of right now anyway, and the game is slated to be released late 2010/early '11. If they were to do a release per month, the last reveal would be in November, which makes for a great build up for the launch or a beta (<----doubtful). They started to bring the ele into focus on April 20th, a week before the complete revealing. If they keep with this pattern, we can expect a complete revealing every 27th, until the last profession is revealed. Look at your calendars; the twentieth is this Thursday. I'll be looking for something then. Of course I may have ruined it all by mentioning it, but oh well right? --Ravencroft0 08:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, wasn't the Elementalist released on the anniversary instead of the 27nd? --Naoroji 17:39, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't remember the exact date, but this main page says it was fully revealed on the 27th.--Ravencroft0 07:47, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

SHEE, those reveals are taking just that little too long now...

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/797/mrkt2of8thmb.jpg

Nice, I've seen one better at GW2G, they put optimus prime in the far back, in the style the elementalist was before she was completely revealed. T'was a good laugh.--Corsair@Yarrr 04:45, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Wait a second... that picture isn't real, is it? I mean, it fits the outline flawlessly and also perfectly incorporates this. :O --Amannelle 13:57, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/2227/mrkt3of8thmb.jpg--The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.179.157.45 (talk).

Yeah,... Fake too. --Naoroji 14:23, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Therefore that it should be a fake it does look very real and as already said flawless. I'd realy like to see these pictures in a higher resolution!!

Higher resolution would definetly be nice... Aquadrizzt 16:48, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Lol, well the reason it's so small is because it makes it harder to tell that it's a crappy photoshop. Rose Of Kali 23:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I know...but still...Aquadrizzt 02:42, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

The Order?

Maybe thats the order they will reveal them as? Since the Ele is first. But seriously the last one has to be mesmer lol.--IcyyyBlue ♥♥ 02:44, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't quite understand what you mean by "the order". Are you referring to the order depth-wise? As in from standing in the front to standing in the back? --Amannelle 02:49, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

No at the bottom of the page there is images and the 1st one is ele so does that mean they are going to do the "ranger-looking" one next?--♥Icyyy♥ 19:18, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

If you're referring to the order on the article here, that was just done at random by whoever posted it. ^^ I don't think it has much significance. --Amannelle 19:51, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh but in the pictures none of them look like necromancers, they not going to be in it?--♥Icyyy♥ 01:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Umm... Icyyy, counting is also good. There are 8 professions, and only 6 pictures shown... my guess is if 1 of the current pictures doesn't depict a necromancer, one of the other 2 might. --Amannelle 01:56, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

yea but there are possible 2 NEW professions...--♥Icyyy♥ 03:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

"Necromancer" might also be a generic or specialist name for one of the scholar professions. For example, White Mantle Ritualist. Don't get your hopes up people. Speculating's fun, but it gets out of hand when people treat it as fact. To quote a well known book series, "People will believe a lie because they want it to be true; or they're afraid it's true." With that being said, I do hope they shed more light on the primary soldier profession, the "warrior." --Ravencroft0 03:18, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Ravencroft, please don't treat us as though this is something we suddenly came up with because we "want to believe a lie" (I actually dislike necromancers). :P Necromancers have been planned on being in GW2; fact. Whether they are a usable profession or not, we cannot be 100% sure, but it is MUCH more likely it is than not. They also mentioned that Sylvari necromancers treat death as a part of the cycle of life, also indicating it is in GW2. :) To Icyyy, the elementalist picture wasn't shown until it was revealed (there used to only be 5 pics seen). That's why I think Necro may not have its pic shown yet. --Amannelle 03:34, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah but there are "monks" we can ally with but we are positive we wont be able to play them--♥Icyyy♥ 04:01, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

These "monks" you can ally with are not the profession from GW1, but an order of monks (think: Monastery). Monks as a profession simply had no place in GW2 the way the professions and the skill system were designed, they broke profession balance in GW1. It's not a fantasy RPG if you don't have dark, holy and elemental magic. The blue girl with a shield and mace looks very much like a holy paladin of sorts, and we got an ele already. That leaves the Necro waiting for a portrait. Rose Of Kali 09:45, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh ok, so the monks aren't really the monks in gw1?--♥Icyyy♥ 11:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Rose Of Kali 12:39, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

little confusing but okk.--♥Icyyy♥ 12:47, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

What's confusing? Rather than meeting with Monk the profession in GW1 you meet with Monk the ascetic as described in many of the world's religions. Maybe they are remnants of the GW1 monks who secluded themselves and kept their magical abilities away from the public, this making it impossible for a young student to choose to learn these (i.e. choose to play as a monk). But rather I think they just changed the definition of "monk," which I would not have done, I would have used another word, like a "priest," to avoid confusion. Rose Of Kali 13:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

(reset indent) I didn't mean to seem as if I were putting anyone down, Amannelle, but like Kali said, just because the name is the same doesn't mean they will function the same. Btw, where has it been said there will even be an ally/henchy system in GW2? I was under the impression there may not be a H/H option. --Ravencroft0 07:13, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

They were going to have companions, but that was scrapped. Because it's a persistent world and the events scale dynamically, they decided against any kind of AI to avoid flooding the world with them. Don't know where the exact quote is, I think it's in the original Design Manifesto. Rose Of Kali 14:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I just want to note that the discussion on the use of the word monk was from 2007 - it is possible then there was a monk intended. Also note that in a blog post, Bobby Stein noted that when talking about the heroic profession they capitalize the name but when talking about the generic term (a priest kind of monk for instance), they keep it lowercase. Now, the Movement of the World which is where Iccy got the monk bit has the Durmand Priory scholars noted as "monks [...] warriors" not "Monks [...] Warriors" - thus not meaning the profession but using it as a generic term - a fighting priest is just another way to put it. Think shaolin monks. Likewise, the use of the word necromancer in the Art of Guild Wars 2 is capitalized thus indicating (a stronger chance of) it being the profession and not the generic "death wizard" that necromancer means. And do take note that I'm not saying "this is the case" but rather that it is more likely to be the case than not. -- Konig/talk 05:29, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

What are they waiting for?

SO the first demo is on August 19? Shouldn't all the proffesions be revealed by then? Or will the demo be something like, you can only play as an elementalist(or other by then revealed profs) wich doesn't encounter any other proffesions? --Sierra84.196.121.249 14:13, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, hopefully all of the eight professions will be revealed by then. But we'll just have to wait and see I guess. @ 93 14:30, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

They have mentioned that enemies won't necessarily follow the professions available to players, so they don't really need to reveal all professions before allowing us to play a demo. Besides, GW2 is likely going to be released next year, therefore if Arena Net revealed everything today, they would have nothing to talk about in the next months. Erasculio 16:43, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Silly Erasculio, we would just speculate about other random stuff..."I think that in the second campaign...<insert annoying speculation here>" Aquadrizzt 16:46, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Nothings happening...

It's been a month and no new info, what's going on?24.8.19.11 19:17, 29 June 2010 (UTC)24.8.19.11

New professions are revealed every 6 weeks. --Naoroji 19:18, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Zzz.estimate GW2 release date much?--Neil • 19:22, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

The pace will probably change after we've played the demo's at GamesCom & PAX, so no :P. I suspect the schedule is 6 weeks in between reveals until the demo so we'll have 3 professions revealed (Ele, Warr, Ranger for the classical Mage/Warrior/Bow-user trio), and afterwards they'll be released quicker. --Naoroji 19:26, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Think again; They're anet.--Neil • 19:32, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

And of course you now exactly how they are thinking.. -- Cyan 19:38, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

With cookies around an open fire?--Neil • 19:45, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I suspect that the demo will reveal the other professions anyway. If not, then soon after. Shadow Runner 19:47, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

"I suspect that the demo will reveal the other professions anyway." how so? It's a demo for a reason, rite? xD --Naoroji 19:50, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it's a hands-on demo so who knows? Shadow Runner 19:54, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I'd rather they just release all the professions names first at least, even if they don't tell us skills or about them. they can do that! Previously Unsigned 21:24, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Nah, I really like how they are revealing things bit by bit, so I think it would spoil the fun to release the names. But 6 weeks between is like torture... I WANT MORE INFO! Doesn't have to be the profession releases, but at least something! --Hasselmannen 21:55, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

If Arena Net released information as fast as players wanted, they would have told us everything on May and then we would have 11 months with people complaining about the lack of any new information : P Arena Net has to pace properly the bit of news they give us, in order to keep people interested. Have patience, there's plenty of time for new reveals. Erasculio 23:17, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I was fairly happy with the weekly Wednesday updates, but they didn't do anything last week... so maybe they are mixing it up? Bah, who knows at this point. I just hope they introduce something HUGE this Wednesday.--Corsair@Yarrr 00:24, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Probably nothing big, but instead just a change of schedule (maybe now they'll only release new articles every TWO weeks). If you haven't noticed, we're still at least half a year away from release and releasing a detailed new article on every aspect of the game can only take <X> weeks. --Naoroji 00:35, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

They did only release truly new info every two weeks though, then they had a nice little QnA or something else like that afterwords. It added clarification and depth to what they had. And soon enough, boom, a new feature is released! I shall miss you weekly update T.T--Corsair@Yarrr 00:40, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) WTS Patience. - Infinite - talk 02:03, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Next Reveal

My money is on assassin. Weapons guess: dagger (both hands), axe (both hands), pistol (both hands), and rifle. This reveal guess is based on the web comics and images in Part 1: Skills Healing and Death. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 19:53, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

That could also be a ranger with his mask on, but I see what you mean. Also, "dual-wielding" may be a feature that rangers excel at quite well, thus the dude with the 2 daggers. That sounds like a stretch even to me, but we will all have to wait.... which brings to mind that comic. lol --Ravencroft0 20:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Lol "GLF professions reveal 2/10." -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 16:08, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

To me it would make more sense to release the Ranger. Typical adventurer-trio; Warrior, Mage, Archer. Other than that, it would make sense for the demo; 1 Adventurer, 1 Soldier, 1 Scholar (even though the Sin would be an Adventurer as well), and the fact that having two melee fighters in the demo (two out of three) just doesn't sound,... Right. --Naoroji 16:16, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree, having 1 type from each archetype would make the most sense. An archer would make the most sense as it is probably one of the least anticipated. What I mean by that is that it is expected to have an archer, and therefore less anticipated than let's say a mace person or druid. Venom20 16:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Gotta say that my money is on the ranger as well. It just makes sense with the whole spellcaster, melee and distance fighter stuff. If you get me. ^_______^ --Odal talk 11:41, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone think that any of the professions will be able to use a scythe, since Dervs are most likely out? And I doubt there will be a professions thats main wep is daggers like an assassin. 96.42.76.247 7/12/10

Scythe isn't a weapon. So, no. --Odal talk 16:35, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, assassins aren't purely melee. As seen in the picture, they will have throwing weapons and I assume either bows or guns (more likely guns). -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 17:02, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

On facebook: Guild Wars 2 - Some nice guesses on the picture we linked in the last post ( here it is again if you missed it: http://yfrog.com/5aqc8j ). Stay tuned this week for the next profession reveal. =) 14 hours ago ge4ce 16:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I would say the Necromancer is also very likely to be revealed. I mean, when they announced the Elementalist, they started hinting at the Warrior (more like unveiling it, actually). Now that the Warrior is official, "Ghosts of Ascalon" talks about a Necromancer (as the "Art of Guild Wars" does)... I don't know, but I think there is a chance we get the Necro this week. And then, some other profession will "leak" in the next month and a week, and the cycle restarts. --217.129.133.230 00:23, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

...and aparently, I was wrong. Good guess, guys. ;) http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/ranger/ --217.129.133.230 17:25, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Yeah, I was wrong. I guess it was kind of obvious that they would go with a generic (aka the best) professions to be revealed first for use in the demo. I still expect assassins to be revealed eventually (not next, two adventurers in a row would be weird), especially now that we know some previously melee weapons can be ranged-only weapons when wielded by certain professions. I expect now, scholar (necromancer) -> adventurer (assassin) -> scholar(mesmer) -> soldier -> adventurer. This leaves no two armor classes revealed in a row, as well as not revealing all of one armor class early, while leaving the most mysterious (?) two for last. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 02:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Next reveal?

As most of you know, the release of the novel "Ghosts of Ascalon" is coming up. Since the book has been revealed to document the venture of Destiny's Edge into the ruins of Ascalon, I find it would make sense for ANet to have revealed all the professions of the members of the group by then. It would make sense for ANet to reveal the professions to fans instead of having them read the book to find out mid-chapter that a certain profession is in the game. For this reason I beleive one of the next professions to be revealed will be the Necromancer. The other would be the Paragon, as I believe it will be called. This would be a reworking of the GW1 paragon into a paladin-like replacement for the monk. I think the Necro is the shady figure directly left of the Warrior in the professions page, maybe a levitating Asura casting a spell, and the Paragon the figure all the way to the right, possibly wielding a mace.

• Zojja has been revealed to be an Elementalist in a trailer. Elementalists have already been revealed.
• Eir Stegalkin, the female Norn in the group is seen holding a bow and being accompanied by a pet wolf. For this I believe she is a Ranger.
• Caithe has mentioned in the same trailer that she is a "Sylvari Necromancer".
• Rytlock Brimstone is seen wielding swords and wearing heavy armor, and is presented as a raw-damage fighter,which is why I believe him to be the warrior of the group.
• Although Logan Thackeray also comes off as a warrior, if you really think about it he seems as more of a knight, and less of a mercenary-like fighter. I believe he is a Knight/Paragon/Paladin/Whatever it will be named. He would specialize in damage and condition removal.

This is one of the reasons why my predictions for the professions are: Elementalist, Warrior, Ranger, Mesmer, Necromancer, Paragon, Assassin, and Engineer/Gunner/Whatever it will be called. Bold professions indicate professions of members of Destiny's Edge (as theorized by myself). Ele, Mesmer, and Necro would be the Scholars. Ranger, Assassin, and Gunner would be Adventurers. Paragon and Warrior would be Soldiers. --Zathoru 21:16, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

"the venture of Destiny's Edge". What? Did I miss something? Chriskang 21:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Wow i had the intel completely wrong about the book O.o Ignore this post. However, my predictions still stand. --Zathoru 21:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Zojja hasn't been called an Elementalist and Caithe hasn't been called a Necromancer either. --Naoroji 10:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

"make sense for ANet to have revealed all the professions of the members of the group by then" the release schedule appears to be, from these first three, in an arithmetic series with the interval difference dropping by a week each time. For some reason, ele was a day early on tuesday, but 7 weeks later was warrior, 6 weeks ranger. Extending this, the final profession release will be on wednesday october 27th ,,"Klumpeet",, 11:10, 16 July 2010 (UTC) edit:correcting myself ,,"Klumpeet",, 12:46, 16 July 2010 (UTC) lol fail 42 days is 6 weeks ¬¬. May hold true with a double-reveal and earlier finish. ,,"Klumpeet",, 13:01, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Could be a double reveal at Gamescom? --Odal talk 13:02, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I remember Zojja being called an Elementalist and Caithe a Necromancer somewhere...if only I oculd find a source...

this[1] and this[2] what ur looking for about caithe being a necro?Akbaroth 21:56, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

oh, and in the races video we get a clear shot of zojja using a skill that looks just like the one in the meteor shower video, which nearly every1 agrees was fire attunement. i'm not saying she's definately an ele, so interpret it how you will.Akbaroth 02:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

The thingy about Destiny's Edge is the book after Ghosts of Ascalon. There's plenty of time as far as I know. (Then again, I don't know very far.) -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 18:01, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, something along the lines of those sources. And yeah, I got the plots of the first and second books mixed up. The second book is coming out in December, so i guess that's time enough to release all professions.

The picture goes from the center to the sides, following a pattern:

• A different race each time.
• A different type of profession each time.
• From the center to the sides.

Since only one of the silhouettes can fit a charr, and it is on the side. To keep the patter, it would have to be an Asura scholar. And since it has been already hinted that there will be necomancers and mensers, the most logical asumption would be Asura mesmer or necromancer. And the last will be likely the one to the very right. And that one will probably both the second soldier, and the other 'support focused' profession. MithTalk 05:09, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

I think that the norn holding a sword is a mesmer and the tiny guy under the charr is a necromancer. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 03:04, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

i have a feeling that they will release all the professions before august gamescon or whatever its called cus they will need all the professions for the demo. also i hope if there is an assassin i hope he could dual wield a sword and pistol that would be sick --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.134.145.225 (talk).

It's a demo. As in, a not complete version of the game? Which means they don't have to have released all professions,... My guess is we'll be having maybe 4 professions at GamesCom. --Naoroji 14:38, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Jup 4 professions will be known by then, I think next is the necromancer since its a core profession which already every one thinks will return, I think they'll keep the new professions as latest. Really hope Assassin will return with pistols and a shortbow. Prince Grazel 21:45, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Necromancer

My money's on necromancer on August 4, give or take a few days. They pretty much already revealed it in Ghosts of Ascalon, they might as well make it official

Care to place your bets, ladies and gentlemen? --Artaxerxes 04:51, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

The Necromancer will use axes, daggers, staff and focus. That's my bet. --_{I Am}Legion talk 06:58, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

So far we've seen professions that have been in GW1, Necromancer is sure to be next (hopefully). I hope the Minions will be more unique then in GW1 where u have Bone Minions, Bone Horrors, and Vampiric Horrors all with the same skin just resized. - 74.171.163.219 07:14, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Actually I think necros will be able to use daggers, staves, scepters, foci, and maybe, maybe swords but im not too sure on that. I just don't see a necro with an axe. That's just me though, we'll have to see how they do that.--Artaxerxes 20:45, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

i agree with the above comment. but i don't like to rule anything out unless there is clear evidence against it:) given the guy cutting his wrists in the races trailer, producing a green flash of light, my bet is on necros get life sac skills from daggers. if any1 isn't clear on what emo-wrist-cutter i'm talking about he's over here [3]Akbaroth 20:31, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

True we don't want to rule anything out, that's why this is on the talk page and not the necromancers page. Also, i hadn't thought about that video with the blood-sacrifice dude, thanks for reminding me. I'm that much more certain necros will use daggers. BTW above comment is mine, forgot to sign so i added it right now.--Artaxerxes 20:45, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

(on the issue of weapons) I doubt we'll see two classes with the same weapons choices. It would be boring to see all scholars wearing the same weapons. I chose axes over other weapons because they tend to scream wicked! and are typical of maniacs such as the necromancer. (I know, it's a undead warrior but you get the point). --_{I Am}Legion talk 21:33, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Necromancers wielded daggers before daggers existed, those are given. I'm kinda hoping that not all casters can wield a scepter or a staff, because that would be boring. I'm thinking necromancers will wield swords, but they may also wield maces, axes, and/or pistols. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 07:38, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

I feel as if it would be too restricting to take scepters or staves away from necros. Actually i don't see a necro using any weapon other than staves/ scepters, daggers, and MAYBE axes/swords. Maybe the weapon differences between casters won't be too big. I wouldnt mind the only difference in capabilities between a mesmer and a necro to be switching a sword for an axe or something. Sorry if i'm not making sense, it's 3:30 in the morning =/ ---~=Ѧϫϯѧӂϵϫӂϵϧ (Talk) 07:25, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

The second Soldier

I saw this and it got me thinking,... I don't expect ANet to create TWO professions that are condition removal/support-heavy, so what if the second soldier IS in fact, the Alchemist? Most instances of games using Alchemists also have them using Maces (when in combat), so, perhaps they just buffed it a bit to include heavy armour,...? Your thoughts? D: --Naoroji 18:37, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

i noticed the referance in the book i dont think it was meant as a proffesion though. when i think of alchemists i think of guys making potions and that sort of thing. which is what i beleive dougal was refering to. we know that crafting will be in gw2 and will most likely involve potion making. if anything this possibly makes me wonder if there could be a title that would tie in with people who make a lot of potions etc ie an alchemist. so as for a profession i dont see it being one as it would be very item based and kinda hard to work in ArthasShadowsong 18:44, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, tbh, a lot of people have already speculated an Alchemist to be in the game -- but as an Adventurer instead. And I think it could actually work. Because Alchemists don't just make potions; they can pretty much affect their whole environment if they know what they're doing. --Naoroji 18:57, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

you could possibly work something in. you could maybe have some sort of charge that they could set off which would work in a similar way to how wards do and perhaps have potions or whatever as a projectile that could either damage or support allies maybe.kranxx seemed to like doing a lot of throwing potions about and what not there was no referance to his profession whether that was to do with his profession or if that was just giving an example of how items will work i dont know ArthasShadowsong 19:29, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Alchemy is the root of chemistry, they made bombs and acids and whatnot. Also, maybe item spells are coming back? It is definitely plausible as the third adventurer, which I'm hoping is a spell caster (alchemist counts). :P -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 21:07, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I would think that an alchemist could quite possibly be a profession. I mean, what else could Kranxx be? He makes his own flash bombs, grenades, potions, lumpy nutbread... Fabala011 21:16, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

What many people (like myself) think would be an engineer profession could actually be the alchemist, as it would have more or less a similar idea. In order hand, maybe alchemist is one of the crafting classes (if the crafting system will have classes, that is) instead of a profession; or maybe alchemists are just like blacksmiths, NPCs who offer a service (in this case, making potions and etc). Erasculio 21:44, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Alchemist could also be an achievement linked to crafting similar to Assassin. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 22:37, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

.... Please don't tell me there's potions. :(--Emmisary 16:57, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

I am afraid of that, too. Potions will ruin GW2, much like they ruin most other MMORPGs. (I can see it now; PvX2Wiki, Article: Never-stopping Warrior. Usage: Mash all different cooldown potions on recharge and win game.) - Infinite - talk 17:21, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

The potions seem to take a long time to take effect. My bet is they'll be a weak type of HP or Energy replenisher. --Amannelle 19:37, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Wait, wha— Did I miss something? I guess they wouldn't be too overpowered if you could only have one potion's effects on you or certain ones would harm you if used together (like how certain medications become harmful if taken simultaneously). Maybe they are weak like the NF Istani consumables. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 20:41, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

If the game is about control, position and tactics, you don't need potions, unless you're lazy. Just play more tactful.- Infinite - talk 21:32, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

In-battle consumables ruined GW, I hope they don't make the same mistake twice. If anything, I would hope for transportation potions (to move without paying the gold fee), IMS potions (that don't affect you in battle or PvP), and potions that turn inventory items into gold. Basically anything is fine as long as it doesn't affect combat. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 22:54, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

The use of a potion can require just as much strategy, infinite. Please, try to be more open-minded. :P --Amannelle 00:25, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

If they make consumables that affect combat, then "gain = ^-loss" had better be a true sentence. They have shown no attempt at this previously, which is why I am cautious about in-battle consumables. Downsides make for strategy. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 00:38, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

With Sparky on this. The lack of tactics or skill on the player's side should not be a reason to introduce potions. - Infinite - talk 15:19, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

And if you just look at them as enviromental weapons? Like a poot o' bees--Sierra Echo213.98.67.233 17:08, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

You can't rely on environmental weapons like you can rely on something in your pocket. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 17:27, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Ready, aim

Latest twitter entry - gunner/engineer profession? Erasculio 19:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Just saw it, looks interesting. Not much to go on, but I think it points towards a reveal this week? ShadowRunner 19:50, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Yea, it does point to a reveal this week, it appears it may be a firearms profession. --Corsair@Yarrr 20:02, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Two other entries, with a new image under the title "Synergy". Erasculio 20:06, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Something with lightning skills?--Emmisary 20:13, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, some current GW2G thinking its a going to be a video of multiple classes doing cross profession combos.--Corsair@Yarrr 20:20, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

People at GW2G often are not the brightest lamp on the bulb. Considering Arena Net had stated they would reveal the fourth profession before Gamescom, and considering how one of the possible professions was a gunner/engineer type, I think it's more likely a teaser for the new profession. Erasculio 20:24, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I think your metaphor needs some work... Anyway, yes, it is a good possibility of a new class, but that arm with the light around it is suggestive. And not everybody on GW2G is an idiot, it only appears that way because of the larger number of people.--Corsair@Yarrr 20:30, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I don't think it's about a profession. Rather, it's about the synergy between professions - which has only been hinted upon recently. The image, I believe, shows a charr warrior with a rifle and an elementalist attuned to lightning. When is Gamescom again? There might be plenty of time for both an article on synergy and a new profession - not like it hasn't been done before. If I recall, its on the 18-22nd, thus an entire week until. -- Konig/talk 21:01, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I somewhat doubt it's about the synergy between professions. Because...

• ArenaNet has never given teasers for something other than the profession reveals.
• ArenaNet has already mentioned the synergy between professions, giving examples such as the warrior using Cyclone Axe within an elementalist's Static Field. Not that they couldn't make an entire article about it, but it would be odd to do that much foreshadowing for something they have already spoken about somewhat often.
• Currently we have only three announced professions. If they were going to release a video based around the synergy between professions, it would be better to wait until there were more professions revealed, so they could show us more interactions.
• We know ArenaNet is going to announce a new profession within the next ten days. Considering the point above, it would be better to wait until said profession were revealed before making an article about the synergy between professions - after all, they would have one more profession to interact with the others.

IMO, the Synergy and Electrifying comment are due to how the incoming gunner/engineer profession has a strong focus on support (so it would have good synergy with the others) and on technology (so it would use electricity). The difference between the charr image and the human (?) image could be due to them being different images for the same profession (just like this image is different from this image).

In other hand... The first picture could be of a warrior holding a rifle, and the Electrifying picture looks exactly like the elementalist's hand here, which is the image showing Static Field - so we would have exactly the setup for the example often mentioned by Arena Net, of a warrior shooting a rifle through an elementalist's wall of lightning.

We'll see. I do hope it's a new profession. Erasculio 22:48, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

You know what, thinking more about it, I have to admit that the light-challenged users of GW2G may be right, and I may be wrong. The second image shows what could be an elementalist's Static Field, which is exactly the expected spell for the "warrior with rifle + air elementalist" combination. The quotes about changing how people see combat would also make more sense if talking about something generic such as the synergy between professions, instead of something so specific as a single profession. Not that I could find a way to address the concerns I have mentioned above, but I may have to tip my cowboy hat to the GW2Gers. Erasculio 23:01, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) How about both this week? Reaper of Scythes** 23:02, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I think it might be announced Tuesday, since the servers are suspected to be down for a few hours, maybe to keep up busy? Spotina Talk 23:55, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Better be heck of a reveal then, haha. - Infinite - talk 00:02, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I think we'll get three things this week: 1) This hint which I believe to be an article about synergy between professions (fits perfectly with all the clues); a new profession Jeff hinted at; and what Martin hinted at - information on this epic guy who is neither Zhaitan or Kralkatorrik. My guess is that this will be another huge splash of information (we may get more than these three things) which is why they're having fun hinting at a normal article. It is much similar to what they did when they released the first trailer - they gave portions of 4 concept art which was in a trailer. Yes, I think we're getting a third trailer. >:) -- Konig/talk 00:05, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

a new trailer would be great, focused more on the dragons perhaps. we dont know a great deal about em after all. or maybe theyd just leave that for the game to explain. obviosuly cant say no to another profession reveal. maybe they might debut a new trailer at gamescon perhpas, anythings possible ArthasShadowsong 01:07, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Another trailer would be cool, but I doubt that. It could be a profession reveal AND an article on cross profession combos. They have in the past released things like that bundled together. This could be the last info-dump before Gamerscom, they are probably going to make it a big one.--Corsair@Yarrr 06:59, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

anywayz i'm excited :P --The Holy Dragons 07:08, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Trailer or not (I consider it neither likely or unlikely), we will learn information on at least that purple glowing silver dragon this week according to Martin (as linked above). And more on that synergy/ready aim/electrifying hints today. We can also say we are getting a profession this week. At least 2 things we will get (dependent on whether the hints yesterday are for a mechanic or a profession). So this is a big reveal week it seems. -- Konig/talk 13:19, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I'm not sure about the reveal about the dragon-like entity being this week. Yesterday (in other words on Sunday, the first day of this week) Martin mentioned that information would come next week. Maybe he has simply confused Sunday with last week, but I have a feeling the dragon-like entity is actually something we will see at the GW2 demo, and not before. Erasculio 14:38, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah, thought it was stated on saturday. Meh, info at Gamescom is more likely for the dragon thing. -- Konig/talk 15:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

The dragon is a minion, and the new picture is Necromancer Necro-like!! -- Itay Alon • Talk 16:57, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Necro-like? Unless I'm lacking a new image, how would lightning and a gun be necro-like? That's more ritualist like if not elementalist like. The former is unlikely to return as a profession given the number of professions and profession hints and the later doesn't utilize guns. Which implies either this technological profession (plausible but where's the synergy and new form of combat at?) or something about profession synergies. -- Konig/talk 17:43, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Why cannot necro-like use guns? he could, and he will. maybe necro-like+Rt. -- Itay Alon • Talk 17:54, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Update on this: [4] Apparently it is a new gameplay video coming tomorrow, no new profession. The three pictures were parts of a screenshot of a female charr with a rifle and a female elementalist utilizing a lightning skill (static field I think). -- Konig/talk 20:02, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm surprised

that they didn't reveal another one today- as they announced that they would, but I guess there is still time before it is officially the 18th. CelleyBear 23:51, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Wait. They don't actually go publicly live until the 19th. According to the gamescom official site, 'August 18 is exclusively for trade visitors and the media and gamescom is not open to the public on this day.' 24.89.47.33 01:20, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I think the next profession will be out today, preferably the Mesmer ;)--82.132.136.217 05:38, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I think it's rather the necromancer ;) --The Holy Dragons 09:43, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Gunner

I had a look on the Trading cards page, and there is this picture called "norn elementalist", and than you have this picture called "female gunner".

Is it possible that "Gunner" is probably the official name of the profession that can use guns but not bows?

I think so ^^

I think it's the name for the engineer-profession Dilum2444 19:55, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Is it possible that "female" is a race? I think so ^^. pling 19:58, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

If it's the pic I think you're talking about, I'm pretty sure us wiki-ers named it, not Anet. Eive 21:06, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

actually, if you look at the bottom left corner of each card, it gives you it's title. The card in question says "Female Gunner". But I agree with Pling. ~ PheNaxKian talk 21:08, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the card titles are official. poke | talk 21:10, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

lol, female race made me laugh Venom20 21:20, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

lol. female, human, big difference xD I really think it's a profession name, it's so logical, I mean, the norn cold as well be a big human. If it were a human elementalist, it would have said male elementalist Dilum2444 22:03, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

You mean this yes? [[5]] 90.200.54.42 23:14, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes. The way i see it, the titles are merely descriptions of what's on the cards. It doesn't seem logical that the Asura's have a city called city does it? ~ PheNaxKian talk 23:40, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Then, new question raises: Yes or no to a Gunner page? - Infinite - talk 23:42, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I dont think they will be a gunner profession--Icyyy Blue 23:49, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

We have this concept art on the wiki for nearly a year now. It's called Female Gunner because that's the name Kekai gave to it. We never created a gunner page for now because the concept title proves absolutely nothing. This is the exact same reason why we don't have pages for knights and pirates even though we have concepts called like that. Chriskang 00:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Yeah, you could call any warrior using a rifle a gunner, but that doesn't change his profession. I'm still going to guess that an assassin-like profession will have access to guns, but not to bows. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 01:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm fascinated now, though. The example of Norn Elementalist raises a theory question; if the card said Human Gunner, then what would it be like? ANet deliberately announcing false information to hype us up in other ways? I'd lol. - Infinite - talk 02:16, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

I forgot, there is also an assassin-profession. Maybe they renamed it to gunner. It's official, I want anet to reveal all the professions right now. And the fact that they still didn't put a necromancer page on their site frustates me (off-topic :p)

so many possibilities :p Dilum2444 15:46, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

it was stated (on a now removed thread) by Regina that the Necro page will be up on Wednesday (25th) ~ PheNaxKian talk 16:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

You lot do know that the gunner image in question is also the one here, right? It's been about for ages. ShadowRunner 18:58, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Oops, I missed Chriskang's comment. Sorry! :D ShadowRunner 19:01, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Don't forget the profession discriptions say "At least one". So an assassin could easily be using both guns and bows and the gunner using only the guns. At least one means one or more for those who don't understand quite well... So there is no taking the spot of the gun-only profession... PS: No way they'll rename the assassin "Gunner" there's more chance for you to become the next pope. --Prince Grazel 19:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

There will not be a "gunner" class, simply because there is no profession in this game with a focus on a particular kind of weapon. Look at what we've gotten so far. Elementalists with twin daggers, Necros with axes, Rangers with greatswords, Warriors with longbows. (I'll also go ahead and predict Mesmers with handguns.) Diversity in weapon choice is the order of the day now, so there will not be a such a narrowly defined profession. Arshay Duskbrow 00:15, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining that, Arshay. Unlike the whole "p is greater than or equal to one" comment, people actually do not seem to understand that limited weapon choice is dead in GW2. It is dead for a good reason, too. Having half of your entire skill bar unchangeable for as long as you play a profession is not fun. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 01:30, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

The new attribute system seems to suggest that all adventurer professions will have at least a moderate focus on ranged weapons, though. With Strength being improved by heavy armor, Inteligence improved by light armor and Agility (which boosts ranged damage) improved by medium armor, it's only to be expected that the two other adventurer professions will be good with ranged weapons. Erasculio 01:36, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Arshay, while focus on a single type of weapon is probably not going to happen, there is no reason a gunner profession can't have something other than guns. It's like you said, rangers got melee weapons while they are more or less completely focused on range. The idea that a gunner could have a sword or mace with skills that sends out shards of metal to deal ranged damage isn't out of the realm of possibilities. Ptarmigan 01:48, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Except that "ranger" has nothing to do with ranged weapons (or weapons at all, for that fact), while "gunner" almost exclusively refers to someone using specific ranged weapons. That's a little like saying a cashier can use a wrench even though they normally use jet fighters, so jet pilots are likely to use flying wrenches. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 02:34, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

That was a pretty crappy comparison tbh.--Emmisary 02:36, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I am good at bad analogies. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 02:42, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Yea, you have a good point. I was just trying to rationalize how a ranged-only profession would be able to use non-ranged weapons. Going back to the ranger though, they use axes, normally a melee weapon, by throwing them. This concept could somehow carry over to the other adventurers. Also, I have no idea what that comparison meant, but I kind of like it. Ptarmigan 02:58, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Yeah, I think my point is that "gunner" would just be more of a part of a profession, rather than the profession. The profession might choose to specialize in guns, but could also choose to specialize other weapons like maces or daggers. Also, thank you! It's hard to understand because I'm sleep deprived and I'm generally hard to understand anyways. :P -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 04:35, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Just to put this "ranger = someone who attacks from range lol!" argument to rest once and for all, I'm just going to link you to one of 50 billion online dictionaries. [[6]] It's just a guy (or girl) who has been tasked with the care of some type of range (which, if you're unfamiliar, is not only a statement of "at distance" but also means "some stretch of land" - it's got like 30 definitions, learn your language lol). Crenel 15:17, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

2nd soldier

Someone pointed this out on Facebook. Logan is wielding a staff.-- Shew 17:51, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Woah, mind you though. Logan is an NPC :3 --Naut 17:56, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

You'd think he'd have a profession, though.-- Shew 18:10, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

By the looks of his armour, he is defiantly the second soldier.. or mace lady. --Naut 18:13, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it's some sort of plot involved enviromental weapon specifically for this character? Or maybe he has it by default in the demo and they will change it, we don't know for now Lokheit 14:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

[[7]] Looks to me like this is wielding a staff. It cuts off about half way down but this could be just from smudge and splatter. I figure it will be similar to a paragon (though I do not see the paragon coming back in its original form I do believe we will se some sort of motivator/commanding Soldier role which suits Logan nicely.)--Decoinferno 10:01, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

it suits me niceley :3 --The Holy Dragons 16:59, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Maybe to make it a bit different from the other soldier, will it get a magic skill-line instead of a ranged weapon one? CaiusTheBig 09:28, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

"he is defiantly the second soldier.. or mace lady. - Naut" Excuse me, I had to make a lol. Logan is SOOO the mace lady. ;P (ilyNaut! >.>)- Infinite - talk 04:11, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Ritualist please

I'm rly hoping they bring back some of the expansion proffesions, especially the ritualist. Instead of all the old prophocies ones.

They might bring out new campaigns with new professions and weapons, like they did with GW1. --smøni 09:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

As long as I get to see a ritualist or something similar lol. But Sylvari ritualist sounds epic

Engineers will be new ritualist. Erasculio 12:06, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Bringing out new professions is what wrecked GW1 in the first place (Xu Davella 13:42, 6 September 2010 (UTC))

Mesmer/Assassin

According to my calculations the next profession reveal will be on around September 22 - It's gonna be either a Mesmer-kind-of a profession or an Assassin like profession (I think the Assassin is more likely to be announced because a caster has already been announced before - the Necromancer) --Majere 11:58, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

It'll be the charr shadow. First we had human elementalist, then norn warrior, then sylvari ranger, then asura necromancer... Most likely to be an adventurer charr, or a soldier charr. Definably not mesmer, not right after announcing the second one. -- Konig/talk 02:29, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

True, you have a point there --Majere 09:09, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

IMO The order would be:

-Assassin-like profession, because revealing another soldier would finish with them before we even have the second adventurer.

-The mesmer, because now there would be only one profession of each left and the name of the mesmer appears in the book.

-The second soldier, probably paragon-like, one that depends more on boon spamming than adrenaline.

-The last adventurer, I think they are leaving it to the end because it's the only one that nobody is sure how will work (everybody knows that we are seeing a rogue type character, the nearly confirmed mesmer and a soldier more based on boons than the warrior), maybe it could be some sort of engineer because they said that a profession will be focused on enviromental weapons and according of what they said about a profession with another name but the same gameplay idea, a gun turret spammer with item skills will fill the place of the ritualist spirit spammer with item spells. And a engineer type profession wouldn't be limited to guns, I can see them wielding longbows, maces and hammers (the hammer is a very common weapon for engineers in many fantasy games and the bow fits with an engineer too since not all about enginery is about guns, and he can attach explosives to his arrows :P).

Lokheit 10:41, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Where is this information that one of the unknown adventurers will be focused on environmental weapons? I think a gun/crossbow would work best with an engineer than a bow and arrow (though crossbows are unconfirmed to be in the game, nothing is final until release).

I personally don't think we will see an engineer, at least not in the form of a turret spammer. I do think a midranged/close ranged gun oriented class is a strong possibility.--Decoinferno 09:39, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Any of the professions could be changed before release too. But if you just take shots in the dark, you're taking the discussion down a road where everyone can suggest whatever they want. And the speculation on this page is pretty far offroad as is. --Kyoshi (Talk) 13:43, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

facts

The third scholar will be a mesmer and yes they will be able to use a sword. The second adventurer will be a assassin. The third adventurer will be centered around gun use, however, they still have not decided on a name for it so... The second soldier will be a paragon, obviously reworked a little. Sorry there will be no source or someone would be out of a job. User:CalebNyte

Source or it didn't happen. Arshay Duskbrow 12:53, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

He has no source. Any information on GW2, you can get from the Guru; if it isn't on the Guru, it doesn't exist. This bit of information isn't on the Guru, hence,... --Naoroji 13:39, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

The part about Guru is not true actually =P -- Cyan 14:33, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

But he should have a source. I dont see a paragon coming back, at least not as the same name, but the same basic idea. Gschmechel25 19:58, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Even if what he says is true, we do not document leaks. --Riddle 23:50, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

What he says is a lot more likely than anything else, I think. They'll release the next adventurer, one still familiar - the Assassin, mostly likely with less of a focus on casting than in GW1 - then the third caster. That will be the Mesmer, probably still named the same but changed more than the other familiar professions (I'm hoping for as close to the old Mesmer as possible, personally). Then they'll release the third adventurer, a new profession entirely. It'll probably have qualities reminiscent of the offensive capacity of the Paragon, being a ranged profession. Then they'll release the other Soldier, probably incorporating the defensive capacity of the Paragon as well as both the offensive and defensive capabilities of the Dervish (but, obviously, with different mechanics since enchantments are almost certainly out and scythes are for sure). I think what everyone who loved Rits loved about them (OP spirit walls, item-drop spikes and irremovable weapon spells) will have effectively been removed from the game.--Ph03n1x 02:14, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) He's just spouting out what over half of the community thinks - if not a vast majority of it. Ooooo, so important! Still speculation (or in the off chance, a leak), so no documentation. -- Konig/talk 02:28, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I just though some people would like to know what's coming. However, if the info is unwanted I will refrain from posting further information. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:CalebNyte (talk).

Info is wanted, unverifiable info is not. 195.132.194.163 06:17, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Well it will all be verified soon enough. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:CalebNyte (talk).

About the no scythes-thing, there will be greatsword wich kinda works like scythes AoE dmg-thing--Sierra84.196.119.34 09:13, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

In my personal opinion, (Don't shoot me down if you don't like it), I think that ANet, should NOT reveal any more proffesions, simply because, I presonally, think we have learned a bit too much info, and from what I have seen.. I am a little dissapointed with some aspects :/ 90.200.54.232 10:21, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

ANet will most likely reveal all eight professions before the release, a speculation that is most probably true. However, I do agree on that some things have been disappointing. -- Kings & Queens | T | C | 12:04, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

They are not facts until they are confirmed. This does however seem to be the way they are headed. I would suspect most of what he said is true. I do think the paragon will be returning but do not think it will be called "paragon" and almost certainly will not use spears (I suspect melee based.)Curiously, an image of Logan Thackerey wielding a staff have appeared. Would be interesting to know if staves are going to make a melee appearance as Thackerey is likely to be the unrevealed soldier profession.--Decoinferno 13:57, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

*Awaiting confirmation* -- Kings & Queens | T | C | 14:12, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually now when I think about it I have a feeling the next profession reveal will be something noone has ever thought about, would be funny if it does --Majere 15:11, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Next profession revealed: mathemagician. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 00:01, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Wait, where is this image of Logan Thackeray with a staff? o_O --★KOKUOU★ 21:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

[8]. Bad quality but the best I can find right now. Though I'm sure that I've seen one with better quality before.. -- Kings & Queens | T | C | 08:34, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

This is the only other image I have seen. Again not too clear. As Warriors are already confirmed not to use staves and Logan is almost guaranteed to be a Soldier of some kind I think he is the unrevealed Soldier. Just my tidbit

I feel I should point out though that in neither image is he actually holding it in his hands. It could be as such a quest/plot item. --Decoinferno 09:30, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Shaman

There has been alot of talk about the next Professions, And i have readed the new book Ghosts of Ascalon "what is a really Great Book and i don't really like reading" and there is alot of talk in it about the Charr and it's Legions in it and most of all the fire Legion as they have the most of the Shamans and this got me thinking as they are talk about alot in the book so they could be one Professions ?

I think that they would fit into the game very well and open up a great new Profession to play, the lore is all they for them to fit in as well,

So this is just my view let me know what you think :O)--Nezz 14:00, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't think Shaman is a profession. They're not in GW1, and they just use magic, as opposed to Rits in GW1. Oh and it's pretty much confirmed that the last scholar profession is Mesmer, and I'd think that Shaman would be a scholar profession. --smøni 20:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

And the word "Shaman" in GW is related to the Shaman Caste, Charr speelcasters. In GoA they never use it for a human or a sylvari. Only for charr. And in other lore it's the same. And no profession will be race-specific. Yeah that was the point. --Qral 22:26, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

No, shaman will not be a profession. "Shaman" generally refers to the Shaman Caste (aka Gold/Flame Legion, the bad guys). I didn't really understand the majority of what the OP said, though. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 23:55, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

To accentuate this, the Shaman as Sparky stated is associated with the Gold Legion. The Gold Legion is currently at war with the rest of the legions, it is the reason you cannot choose Gold/Flame legion if you were to create a Charr character. Since we cannot choose Flame Legion that makes Shamans an unlikely class.

In guild wars the Shamans were always Monks and I believe monks will not make it back into Guild Wars 2. --Decoinferno 09:02, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

After removing the monks' awesomeness in terms of healing, would you dare to make fun of their name in this way? I mean, we all now there will be no dedicated healing class, makes no sense to name a class "Monk" unless we' re speaking about asian warrior monks (Just like the D&D monks); but always remember Tyria is like medieval Europe.... CaiusTheBig 15:18, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

New Soldier profession

Merely speculation, but since the monk is not returning in GW2, and from seeing the mace lady concept picture, I have a feeling the other soldier class is going to be some kind of holy warrior. This would fit together with possibility to use smiting, and the angelic themed paragon skills. This sort of holy warrior class has almost always been shown with a mace as a weapon in other MMOs. Thoughts? Viscero 20:04, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I think it's been archived, but yes, a big part of the community thinks so too. - Infinite - talk 20:09, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Most Likely.

--_{I Am}Legion talk 20:21, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Yup, Logan is the second soldier profession. We already established this ages ago. - Infinite - talk 20:27, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Still a bit disputed based on the fact that only the humans technically have a "holy" power to which they appeal. Besides that, Logan is an NPC. He could be any profession or none at all. (They did mention enemies would be more unique than copying player professions, at some point, iirc.) --Kyoshi (Talk) 20:44, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

The Holy part is disputed and I think it won't be implemented. (With all the undeads Zhaitan summoned.) - Infinite - talk 20:46, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware, this is the most accepted idea for the 2nd Soldier. The only other one I've heard was of some "Berserker" or something like that. Eive 22:05, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Whoever thinks a berserker will be the 2nd soldier is gonna change his mind..... the dps soldier is the Warrior... now we miss defensive/support soldier; berserk is a fully dps-related soldier class; CONCLUSION: no berserk at all. This is that simple. CaiusTheBig 22:25, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

To be honest I hope arenanet throw us a massive curve ball on this one and come up with something really special. I loved the original GW for its interesting class choices especially the mesmer I hope they manage something cool again. --RaGingIMP 22:30, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Well let' s see. i m looking forward for the Rogue (or Thief or watever is named 1 out of the 2 remaining adventurer classes)... maybe they will even let us pickpocket npcs. CaiusTheBig 22:47, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Actually, it is very difficult to pinpoint the second soldier profession. Warriors have everything covered except for spell-casting, which is difficult to have on a heavily armored profession. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 05:50, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

It's called boons and defensive skills. - Infinite - talk 06:06, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

They're called banners and warhorn skills, both for Warriors. Arshay Duskbrow 07:16, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Except all of those Warrior skills focus on offense. - Infinite - talk 13:21, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah they all provide bonuses to both attack and quickness, but they dont boost party's armor level, absorption level, or blocking-ratio in any way. In this way Warrior's banners resemble a lot Ebon Battle Standards. CaiusTheBig 14:19, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Charge! is the new "Incoming!". If they have this next soldier focused so much on defense and damage mitigation, they'll have to seriously scale down its damage or it'll be the OP class Paragons were until every skill got nerfed to hell.--Ph03n1x 16:16, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Call to Arms does increase the party's armor, and Charge! gives health regen and perhaps IMS, which in the movement-based GW2 will be an important form of damage mitigation. As for banners, it's already been stated that they will also debuff enemies, which is its own form of defensive support. Arshay Duskbrow 01:46, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

With no dedicated healer and only small Warrior soldier buffs and debuffs there still is enough room for a proper buffing soldier, isn't there? If all protection went into 1 soldier, why would they make 2? - Infinite - talk 19:28, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I think that we can see here a concept art of the second soldier wielding a torch http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:The_Hounds_of_Balthazar_concept_art.jpg Lokheit 19:49, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

The soldier's hand is glowing, but he's not holding a torch.-- Shew 19:54, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

above the head of the first hound is a torch --The Holy Dragons 20:47, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Easy mistake, but no. It's a hand. --Kyoshi (Talk) 20:57, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Damn your right D: i didn't pay attention XD --The Holy Dragons 21:10, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey that could be tha art for the human racial skill hounds of balthazar and it just happens to be used by a warrior in the pic Xswsxsws1 22:44, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Psst...hey Xswswswsw...sw...sw...PSST! Look at the filename! --Kyoshi (Talk) 23:25, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

pssst Kyoshi psst i know im just trying to prove that it isnt prof specific its race specific and i meant it sarcasticallyXswsxsws1 00:14, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

But I thought sarcasm was supposed to be funny. There was no irony in that statement except that it was obvious, and no contrast with anything other people had just come to a conclusion about.

Also, sarcasm is hard to interpret over the internet. Oh well. --Kyoshi (Talk) 03:44, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Just look at the proffesions reveal thing, the far right character is what I think will be the last soldier class. I can't see that ending up as a holy warrior, besides everything stated above about warriors being DPS related and a holy warrior would be buff orientated, it's just how you spend traits and all. Even more, macelady could just aswell be a warrior. I just don't see anything conclusive or close to. Malice 17:17, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

It wouldn't be a "holy" warrior because the only race that worships gods are humans, it would be a support type warrior. Also it wouldn't be just another warrior because each silhouette is a different profession. - Giant Nuker 19:04, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't that be anticlimactic - 'just kidding; there are only 7 professions!'--Ph03n1x 02:32, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

I disagree that other races couldn't use holy damage because of their lack of belief in gods. Wouldn't that be like saying the necromancers of other races can't use shadow damage because they don't worship Grenth? Seeing as necromancers in GW1 were described as worshippers of grenth. Holy damage is simply the opposite to shadow damage, similar to opposite "attunement" concerning fire and water. Just my 2 cents. Viscero 23:31, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I agree with that. I'd be willing to take it a step further, though, and consider that even though the other races don't worship the gods, it doesn't mean they can't still be patrons of certain professions like they have been. They've been proven to exist within the game world. It's not the same as saying an atheist couldn't be a priest because he doesn't believe in God; in GW the gods actually interact tangibly with the characters and so it's less faith-based and more loyalty-based, I think.--Ph03n1x 00:44, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, you've got me there. Thinking about it now, I have less reason to believe that the Charr had "monks" because that's what the charr of lore had, and more reason to think it was for game balance reasons. Still, I'm somewhat inclined to believe you, and I guess we'll just have to wait and see, or something. --Kyoshi (Talk) 01:27, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

The gods can still be patrons of professions, but that is just human lore. Just because a god is the patron of a profession doesn't necessarily mean that everyone in that profession worships that god or any god. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 02:03, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Exactly. The way ancient Greeks believed Hermes was the patron of couriers, though in China and Jerusalem there had to have been couriers who had never even heard of him.--Ph03n1x 13:31, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

It still seems like "holy" magic (things in a "prayers" line, so to speak) would work differently, since from their descriptions in GW1, monk skills were direct appeals to the Five Gods. (And I don't suppose the charr could have appealed to the titans or destroyers for healing.) Maybe the descriptions of the game were lore too? I dunno, that seems a bit much to say. --Kyoshi (Talk) 14:00, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

We do know there is some lore planned that will explain the disappearance of Monks. Hopefully it will also help to clarify the position on their kind of magic. Arshay Duskbrow 18:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I've always tended to think of monk-style magic as simply being a school of magic just like the others, that happens to be the most focussed towards healing and protection. While humanity has associated it with religious pursuits, it's no less possible for an atheist to learn to wield it than mesmerism and elementalism is. (And, incidentally, there's an interesting contrast there - while elementalists are possibly the least religious spellcasting profession for humans, among the charr shamans they appear to have been viewed as more sacred than the monk-equivalents.) Draxynnic 07:20, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

In light of the "blue mace lady", (and Logan Thackery) I have been comparing the backgrounds of the supposed concept art. Each represents its profession, in varying degrees. Warrior reflects fury, Elementalist has the elements, "Mesmer" has illusions, and this "blue mace lady" has... birds? Assuming this is profession concept art, it isn't leading to much except a holy profession.

However, while others are insisting on a holy aspect, I am suggesting simply this: the birds represent law & purity. They said monks have gone from the world, probably due to the gods absence? So, where do the believers turn to when their gods have become silent? Law. (Most people of religion strive for order and structure in their lives. When religion fails to do this, law fulfills this role.)

So, where does all of this lead to the "BML"? Essentially she is the "paladin" figure, but with "God" removed. Magic can be ultimately be anything, so what is to stop people from crafting magic based around law? These are, after all, dark times. They would closely follow their scriptures of law and imbibe in the powers of righteous ancestors. (Ritualist tie-in for unique twist.)

This may fit humans very well, but what about the other races? To the Sylvari this profession could symbolize attuning to the Pale Tree and Ventari's tablet. To the Charr, it is simply the law of war. To the Asura, it is all about superiority and their "Eternal Alchemy". And finally, to the Norn, it is their stance on the strength of solidarity. I admit these are mostly weak arguments, but then again, I don't know everything about each race so of course this is all merely speculation. -- Quiesce 21:54, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I saw some interesting discussion on GwGuru regarding a sort of mishmash character class for the 2nd soldier, some even suggested the ability to use weapon spells in order to buff themselves. This can tie in with the ever present speculation on it being some kind of boon warrior type thing. Ritualist weapon spells could make for some interesting combinations. Viscero 21:11, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Has anyone seen the new NYC ComicCon 2010 slideshow? here it seems like the new soldier profession at 2:22 - 2:57. Seems like a kind of a warrior who uses blue-ish magic or something --Majere 14:45, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Nice find! Now this makes my previous comment about ritualist weapon spells seem like it could very well be close to the truth. Considering the colour of the aura is the same as the colour for ritualist skills in GW1, this might be as close to a confirmation as we can get. Could it be that this modified profession they mentioned is in fact a tweaked ritualist wearing plate? Viscero 23:40, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

"as close to a confirmation as we can get." Aside from, y'know, the profession reveal. --ஸ ķ̌yoshĺ 23:53, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, and the profession reveal would BE the confirmation that we can only get close to until it actually happens. Thank you for stating the obvious. Viscero 01:21, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

We aim to please. --ஸ ķ̌yǾshĺ 02:41, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Dervish please

Or else i will be fairly upset. 76.88.148.200 02:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Prepare to be upset then; scythes are out, and GW2 won't feature Elona in its initial release. Arshay Duskbrow 03:52, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Though, I do wonder if they will introduce new professions with new campaigns. Honestly, I see that as the major design flaw of the first GW. They hadn't planned on all the balance issues the new professions would cause and, instead of changing them, changed core skills and professions. I don't see it working in this era, either, unless they've already planned the new professions and/or skills to be released in the future and balanced them accordingly.--Ph03n1x 04:06, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

, here's a cookie to help you sleep though Venom20 04:07, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Stock up on tissues. Arashay said it. No scythes, no Dervish. On the other hand I do not believe that the addition of professions in GW1 was a design flaw. Firstly it was always their intention to add new professions with the expansions.

Perhaps if they added only one profession with the bigger expansions (as I am aware there is to be a few smaller expansions too). --Decoinferno 08:32, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

It would be greatly disappointing if Arenanet repeat the mistakes they made with Factions and Nightfall and release 'new' professions for each addition to the game.

Dervish are also more than just scythes. You could easily reform the Dervish into a heavily armored Paladin/Knight class. Likewise, an adventure class, dual wielding swords (specialising in 1 vs many combat, which is basically what the scythe did, 1 swing hit many) both emcompassing the holy warrior aspect (or for those not believing in gods, more of a 'pure' energy wielder).

It'd be disappointing to see the dervish themes die, but then again most people I have spoken with a more pleased with the flashiness of what they're seen profession wise than story/theme wise. Each to their own. ~~000.00.00.00~~ 11:11, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

The one shadow character is clearly holding a scythe. It's possible they simply haven't announced the scythe, as that would make it really obvious.

Lol. --smøni 13:09, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I personally do not feel that heavy armored dual swordsman is in any form a dervish. I know that scythes does not make a dervish, but it IS a pretty big part of their image/theme, I will state that this is my own opinion. Also to the unsigned message, which image are you referring to? I canot see a scythe in an of the silhouettes. --Decoinferno 15:51, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

There will be no scythes. -- Kings & Queens | T | C | 16:00, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Dervishes are holy warriors, which means they're not neccesarily scythe wielders-only. Their scythe is just an exotic weapon anet wanted to add to GW to differ it from other games and add a unique flavour to it. Now maybe the next soldier profession will be something similliar to the dervish, like some kind of a holy warrior or something, but I doubt it, since there are some "non religious" races like the charr or the sylvari. So in my opinion the dervish won't make a comeback,not even a similiar profession --Majere 22:22, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Dervishes aren't holy warriors, they're dancers. It would make no sense for them to be a soldier. If anything, they would be the third adventurer. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 23:29, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

In real life a dervish was/is a muslim monk-like person not really a dancer. They are associated with the whirling dance which is a part of a religious ceremony, but that's not what the dervish is all about. In GW terms dervishes are holy warriors, as far as the in-game description goes. --Majere 23:50, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Well played. I still wouldn't expect them to wear heavy armor, though (due to the desert environment and said rituals). I would expect them to use boons for defense instead, much like GW dervishes. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 03:12, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the last soldier will be dervish. Personally I think they're gonna add a whole new twist no one could've expected. But then again, thats just a speculation. :D Kaon Frostblade 20:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

(reset indent)Hope you're right. I would love something unpredictable and awesome. -Alarielle- 17:32, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

When?

When do you think the next reveal will be??? I hope it's soon! Nathan ~ Natejh8 03:47, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Following approx. time inbetween: october 6th. - Infinite - talk 04:03, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually imo it should be around 22 - 30 September --Majere 12:26, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Infinite's estimate should be about correct; they're about six weeks apart, and october six is in that area CelleyBear 14:10, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Also note, aside from the first reveal which was made on the Tuesday before, all other reveals were on a Wednesday, as to how I figured the 6th would be a nice estimation. - Infinite - talk 14:34, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Next reveal will probably be during NY Comic Con or after its end. No gret reveals have been announced for NY ComicCom, and this could mean they' re adding a new playable profession in the demo (or in a new trailer). Dynamic Event Panel was new at the PAX, they need something new for the Comic Con too. CaiusTheBig 15:24, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, a 2 day delay in favour of the con would be interesting, but they didn't officially release the Necromancer before date either. I think it'll still just be the 6th or perhaps the day after (big if). - Infinite - talk 15:30, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I hope it's around the 6th. Not any later. Come on Mesmer!!!!!! Nathan ~ Natejh8 03:58, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I would expect an adventurer reveal (assassin) before the last scholar (mesmer). –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 04:23, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Quoting from the GW2 gamerDNA (my own post): "“Don't trust me on this, but there appears to be an order of revealing the professions, and this is basically what the next reveals shall be and in their chronological order:

Elementalist, Human, Scholar

Warrior, Norn, Soldier

Ranger, Sylvari, Adventurer

Necromancer, Asura, Scholar

[Insert name], Charr, Adventurer (Yes, it just skipped Soldier.)

[Insert name], Human, Soldier (Race says now, type of class says swap with next.)

Mesmer, Norn, Scholar (Read above.)

Assassin, Asura, Adventurer

”"

I did not quote it for truth, I quoted it for it is my original speculation and has been for quite some time now. Please note, the Assassin *could* also be a Sylvari or a Charr, but the shadow inched me toward Asura. (I made that list when Warrior was released and so far I'm right, hence I published it.) - Infinite - talk 11:17, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I disagree on the order. I almost guarantee Anet will hold their 2 brand new professions till last, it just makes sense. Also, the last 2 professions will also be the 2 silhouettes on the far right and far left of the profession page otherwise it would be lopsided. So I agree that the two unknown professions will be human and charr though.199.17.55.136 20:42, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Except that the NYCC falls slightly after the new Adventurer reveal, which will be massively hyped and probably draw in more crowd. I think the list made even more sense when I heard about NYCC being on the 8th~10th of October. ;) - Infinite - talk 21:07, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

It should be revealed by now >_< 94.3.83.210 17:19, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Methinks tomorrow, but eh. --ஸ Kyoshi 17:44, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

I hope so. Give me an M! Give me an E! Give me an S! Give me an M! Give me an E! Give me an R! What does that spell?!?! MESMER!!!!! Nathan ~ Natejh8 20:08, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Dude 2 scholars in a row? (not gonna happen(me thinkz) (though I'm craving for a mesmer too))--The Holy Dragons 20:33, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Really hope they don't have to make Mesmers OP in an update just to be on par with the rest of the professions like in GW1. Anyways, I still say they'll follow an order and reveal the soldier next. Eive 03:29, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Same here Eive (I want my paragon(kinda)) --The Holy Dragons 5:25, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

If they remake the Para, I hope it isn't also terrible. Only being able to use 2 builds made the Para a very boring profession... Eive 23:45, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Psh, there were way more than two builds. There were, like, three. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 00:04, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Doing a quick check of PvX (not the best source I know, but still) there is only 1 Meta, and apparently 3 Great, so yeah, 3. Same difference. :P Eive 00:37, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Should definitly be in the next few days, I just hope there isnt a para, But I think if there is it wont be called a Para, Its too original-gw-ish ;D, Id rather have a mesmer though! Baby Charr Goes Rawrr 13:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) My date wasn't off, it just wasn't a profession reveal but the HoM calculator instead, two days late. - Infinite - talk 17:06, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Possible Second Soldier Profession

Has anyone looked at some of the other concept art? There is one specifically where there is a charr wearing a helmet very similiar to a Rajput's (Far right shrouded charater on the GW2 professions home page). Also, I noticed that Dhuum will probably be making another apprence in GW2, specifically this picture by Kekai Kotaki. [9] (Maybe there might be a dervish like profession in GW2, because who could possibly say that doesn't look like a dervish) I'll look around for that charr picture, but it makes me think that there may be a few rather unique proffessions in GW2, especially when the thought-to-be shrouded assassin turned out to be an asura necromancer. ANet probably has some suprises in store for us. Also, I really doubt that they will put in a paladin, holy warrior, etc. profession just because it's just too similiar to a warrior, I think the mace woman concept art is just a norn warrior. I think the next four professions will be 2 unqiue ones (sometype of [funky] assassin {adventurer}, and/or somekind of Rajput/Dervish thing {Soldier}, or something just beyond my imagination at this time){soldier and adventurer}, mesmer {scholar}, and a profession that uses guns mostly {adventurer}, like a Marksmen or something, NO 'HUNTER' PROFESSION, THAT WOULD BE WOW-ISH!!!! Something off-the-wall basically.Vincent Freeman 14:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)Vincent Freeman

Well, there are no scythes, that has been confirmed. So Dervishes as we know them won't make an appearance. Also, I'm pretty sure the Ranger is the "hunter" profession. I wouldn't be surprised if Dhuum comes back though. Someone's gotta ban bots. --Emelend 15:54, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Lol, yes very true :) it's just my thought, if he can use a scythe maybe they may bring the dervish profession back, just modified. 1 prob with the derv's tho is that they are based on religion and that would interfere with the asura, charr, norn(<- sort of interfere with the norn) and sylvari, because, technically, they don't have gods especially the charr. But, maybe instead of religion, maybe they could based on this unworldly energy that only they can harness. just a thought. Vincent Freeman 16:13, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

kind of like the jedi, with their lightsabers and the force, (I'll just refer to this special energy as U-energy, u standing for unknown) only taking that with scythes made from this cystalized/solidized U-energy that they use, using U-energy over all to bend the of will them and their foes and the U-energy around them to deal massive AoE damage and briefly move around the battle field by traveling through an alternate dimension!(similiar to the necro death shroud only not poofing u back to your original location) sure it sounds far fetched but its possible and is really a cool thought :D Vincent Freeman 16:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

the scythe weapon would be more used via a skill in my opinion rather than a base weapon. Vincent Freeman 16:25, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

That Dhuum concept art has been around since...well, around when Dhuum was introduced to the UW, I think. It also says "Guild Wars 1 image" right on the page. --Kyoshi (Talk) 17:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I did think it was a GW artwork. Well, if they do something like you say, it will seem pretty… out of place. You know, an "unknown energy" doesn't really have place in a world where there is magic, but that's just my opinion. And well, the scythe as a skill ? Where did you pull that from ? Just because you're a fan of the dervish doesn't justify this speculation that is so far off what we have seen before. -Alarielle- 20:02, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

This Guild Wars 1 image contains property of ArenaNet or NCsoft which is used with permission. yes GW1 art (taken from [10])--The Holy Dragons 21:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

The sycthe as a skilll came from the ritualist weapon skills back in lovable GW1, and as i had stated multiple times it was just an idea and nothing hardcore Vincent Freeman 00:29, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

and no im no hardcore derv fan (I just think that derv's are a very unique the ANet's game series)I'm a mesmer Vincent Freeman 00:31, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

tl;dr - There can't be Dervishes, as they only have roots in human culture. All their skills are references to the gods. - Infinite - talk 12:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Infinite. And to come back on those scythes as skills, it's not the same thing having the Ritualist altering an ally's weapon so it gains an additional effect than having a skill creating a weapon out of nowhere. -Alarielle- 16:44, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Just to clarify, there *are* skills that create weapons out of nowhere. I don't agree with Vincent, though, neither do I think dervishes are coming back, at least for now. Dervishes may be pretty unique, but that doesn't mean Anet can't create other unique professions for GW2. --217.129.133.230 18:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

The only reason I actually made this artical/section was for ANYONE to post any profession they think might or would like to see in GW2 and for us to consider its legibility, and critize it (everyone has done a mighty fine job of that to me already) positive or negative. This doesn't mean post something down right stupid like ANet is going to put astronauts of Halo's Spartans into GW2, but something that can make sense if they define their opinion enough.

And for the record, my opinion of my jedi/derish/thing profession is that they were vimtims of Kralkatorrik, the Elder Crystal Dragon, who had some how broken free of minionship and are now mutant of their former race that now rome Tyria. Thus, the reason that I was thinking that scythes might make a comeback as a skill, is that through they mutated powers they can genrate a weapon that only this profession can use and, like forms from GW1, they can also generate a unique set of armor that covers their original armor. *Note: Since they were mutated by the CRYSTAL dragon, all of these features (Weapons, armor) that are unique to them are made of crystal.* Knowing that many of you have probably read the first GW novel, just like me, the authors had descrided the minions/victims of Kralkatorrik as being twisted beyond recognition, but the ones that are now free were the more fortunate ones and have retained most of their original races physical features yet still have some of the cystalline parts to them. I'll draw one sometime to better explain. But do all of you now bette understand what I was originally talking about? Vincent Freeman 21:59, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Kralkatorrik basically only crossed charr territory on his way to the Crystal Desert. There's no viable lore that could explain how that corruption found its way to the norn or humans, let alone the sylvari or asura.

"The only reason I actually made this artical/section was for ANYONE to post any profession they think might or would like to see in GW2" Like basically every other section on this page. This wiki isn't supposed to be a forum for this kind of thing, this talk page is supposed to be used for finding consensus on how and what to document on the respective mainspace page. We're not too strict about it, but don't be butthurt because your section didn't pick up activity like a forum post, or because your idea was shot down. --Kyoshi (Talk) 00:42, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

"There can't be Dervishes, as they only have roots in human culture. All their skills are references to the gods." Although I do not see Dervishes returning, I'd just like to note you can't use this argument since in 250 years a lot has happened, and skills have changed, and professions have evolved. Just because their skills were in reference to the gods in the original game, does not mean that the new profession's will be. We've seen many changes to the released classes already. 220.253.87.149 17:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

250 years or not, the Dervishes are unique in that sense that they appeal to the human gods. What would a Charr Dervish appeal to? Asura Dervish, Norn Dervish, Sylvari Dervish. The profession would be race-dependent and we know that's never the case. Thus there can't be Dervishes. - Infinite - talk 22:32, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. As I posted above, I believe ANet is gonna completely surprise us. Topic Closed. Kaon Frostblade 23:49, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm surprised nobody has brought up the possibility that after 250 years of the races starting to intermingle, there may be individuals who convert to a different belief system. e.g. human following a norn way of life, or a charr starting to believe in human gods for whatever reason. In this sense, it would be entirely possible to have a dervish of a race other than human. However, I am almost certain the dervish will not make a return, nor do I really care whether they do. I'm sure Anet will give us plenty of other stuff to have fun with. Viscero 19:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, it is mentioned that at least one asura took up a more human way of looking at things. *cough* BLimm *cough* Zolann The Irreverent 19:40, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

lol which asuran would that be?? :O --The Holy Dragons 19:43, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Hmmmmmmmm.....I CAN'T GUESS!!! NOES!!! Kaon Frostblade 20:59, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

As far as I noticed, blimm didn't conveet to the human religion. And that doesn't work with Sylvari who are stated to disbelieve the existence of any god. So it would seem out of lore to give the player an opportunity to make swarms of converted Sylvari. -Alarielle- 08:44, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

"And that doesn't work with Sylvari who are stated to disbelieve the existence of any god." I don't think that was said, exactly. I believe it was more along the lines of "they don't know much about the world yet and they're still trying to figure it out." --ஸ Kyoshi 13:22, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that is correct. Can't we all agree that Dervish just isn't coming back? All evidence is against it. But then again, it gives us something to talk about. Kaon Frostblade 14:14, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

People will agree that their favorites aren't coming back as soon as discussion about the remaining professions to be revealed stops. --ஸ Kyoshi 19:25, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

My favourite is Monk and everyone has already agreed they aren't coming back ^__- 195.132.194.163 20:56, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Are you "people"? No, you are a person. =P I wasn't referring to you, but to everyone else who a) won't let their opinions go and b) do so here of all places. There are forums dedicated to this kind of discussion; this should be there. Bold is the new CAPS LOCK. --ஸ Kyoshi 21:57, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Considering this is the talk for the profession reveal, people will talk about the profession they hope will come back. I likez pancakez.....

Kaon Frostblade 14:04, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Not quite. It's the talk for the page documenting the profession reveal. --ஸ Kyoshi 17:45, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

What's taking them so long?

I mean, it's been like ages ago the necromancer was revealed. When is the next profession (or at least some kind of article) coming out? Or will there be no more reveals untill the game, because the previous four were enough for the demo? (that would suck) 82.72.117.104 14:24, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I believe this Thursday will be 6 weeks, which is length between most of the other reveals. There's been quite a few new articles coming out lately, too. Manifold 16:04, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Elementalist	27th April 2010 (Tuesday)	x
Warrior	9th June 2010 (Wednesday)	6 weeks
Ranger	14th July 2010 (Wednesday)	5 weeks
Necromancer	25th August 2010 (Wednesday)	6 weeks

I was expecting Mesmer today, but perhaps they're going to wait another week. Most likely on a Wednesday, though. «KIrnpt» 16:52, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I thought Mesmer would be this week as well, but they are showing the demo at NYCC this weekend. Would make sense if they waited until next week. --Emelend 17:08, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Sort of psuedo-unrelated but... why does everyone think the Mesmer is going to be released next? Why would they release all of the scholars before shortening the list so there's only 1 of each profession type to reveal left? 136.159.70.7 18:38, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I already said the same thing, it doesn't make sense that they're going to release the mesmer now --The Holy Dragons 19:03, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the Mesmer thing. It could be the Assassin, it could be anything. Mesmer is just the final remaining profession that has been mentioned in a lore-context. --Emelend 19:38, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

They could still release the profession tomorrow, thats not unlikely. Or else we'll just have to wait until next week. --124.169.185.215 01:53, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

The reason everyone is expecting mesmers is a) it's been mentioned in the novel, b) there has as of yet been no proof of a pattern (it hasn't repeated itself yet), and c)They're likely revealing core professions first, and assassins likely incurred a name change.~Reez 18:39, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I still think it would make more logical sense to stay in a pattern. Thus making the 2nd Soldier next. I hope it isn't as terrible as the Para. Eive 04:38, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Don't really think it's about any kind of "release pattern" based on type, I kind of figure (now) it's based on the Profession reveal picture, starting at the centre and going outward. Just since we all figure the Norn on the right of the Warrior is the Mesmer, and to promote fairness in reveals, the guy to the left of the Warrior is going to be an adventurer revealed. Take my comment with a grain of salt though, it's confusing even to me. 68.144.97.124 06:09, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

@ Eive Para's are awesum D: (my second main and I love em! :o) --The Holy Dragons 13:52, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Am I the only one to feel this won't be this week, considering the big piece of news (HoM thing) just released ? -Alarielle- 16:56, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

You are not the only one. Have some patience wiki-folks.. -- Cyan 17:19, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone think they might release a new profession with the beginning of the Paris Games Week ? (which conveniently is on a Wednesday...) 195.132.194.163 16:52, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

no and no i will not be paitent! I want my professions now!!! >:C Xswsxsws1

It would be nice to have a new profession soon :( mostly because we want it so bad but also because it gives us a sense of judging when the game will come out (if they wait until the Paris Games Week and release the "assassin" and Mesmer I will be ecstatic)68.144.97.124 22:08, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Whats going on here? its been more than 6 weeks since the necromancer? I thought for sure it would come out Saturday, then my guildies said most likely Monday (today) because it will most likely come out during the week. So what now? I guess I'll wait till Wednesday, because I believe they all were announced on Wednesdays so far (don't quote me on that), before I make farther assumptions. Aquatis Magicion 21:56, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Well PC Gamer is giving us new information on Guild Wars 2 all this week, including a "huge post" on Wednesday, which alligns with the day Arenanet usually does updates on GW2. Here's the link to the PC Gamer information - [[11]] The profession reveal may have been postponed due to the wait for PC Gamer to publish this stuff. Valyster 22:36, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

That's lame. It's almost 8 weeks. It better be here by 9. Then I'm just giving up home. Previously Unsigned 23:44, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

They're probably going to wait for Paris Game Week. Eive 00:15, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, looks like theyv given PC-Gamer some nice exclusive stuff to put into their 5 day coverage of GW2. It's already put the description for logan as 'defender of the Seraph Throne', with logan wielding a staff in the demo, possible name for the next soldier class maybe? and the norn woman in the Destiny's Edge guild is put down as 'Norn tactician that relies on getting inside the minds of her enemies'..sounds like a mesmer to me ^^.

Considering they've already shown Eir with a "wolf companion named Garm", there are multiple screenshots, concept art, and videos of her using a bow, and she seems to be wearing primarily leather and some scalemail armour, I'd say that she's pretty much a Ranger. (getting inside someone's mind is part of psychological warfare, aka tactics. Anyone with the right mindset can do that). 136.159.70.7 17:09, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm hoping for a more South/Southwest Asian soldier class. Yeah, Eir is pretty much a ranger; like 136.159 said, getting in the mind of your enemy is part of being a tactician. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 00:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

There's been mention on the PC Gamer articles that at the end of the week there'll be "one surprise announcement you didn’t see coming". Think this could be a double reveal of professions? The "assassin" adventurer and the Mesmer so that there's no arguing about it? Or just more information on dragons/dungeons/demos/release date? ~pouts~ :[ 68.144.97.124 00:44, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Gah! When in the bloody name of Balthazar are they going to release another class? They better release two of them for this wait. >:( 136.159.70.7 17:16, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Or at least they should have the time till the one after this. Zolann The Irreverent 19:27, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

(reset) I call the next profession reveal being tomorrow :D ERICtheESKIMO 23:13, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

That's what I'm hoping for! I'm even going to wear my Guild Wars shirt to prove my excitement. I'm hoping for Mesmer. Or Assassin, maybe. --Spigs 01:33, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Why settle for one? Fingers crossed for both! Eric! We're using your luck since mine is just god awful! Make us proud! 68.144.97.124 06:14, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Ragh! Are they ever going to release another profession? Even the date of when they will would be better than nothing. (I'm an impatient individual) 136.159.72.4 20:23, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Haha I guess my luck isn't any good either >.< this seems like wayyy longer than the gap between the other professions so I don't know what they are doing :/ ERIC the ESKIMO 23:29, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

I guess they decided to count the HoM reveal in the same timeline as professions. Next profession will either be next week, the week after, or the week after that (3rd, 10th, and 17th respectively). Really hope they reveal two because this lack of any information (the PC Gamer one wasn't too exciting nor really groundbreaking) is kind of getting to me. 68.144.97.124 02:40, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Halloween is srs business. If they don't reveal it on the 3rd though, there will be rage … – NuclearDuckie 04:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

haha that's what people were saying 3 weeks ago :D i think they should've released a different profession last time and then released the necro on halloween :) ERIC the ESKIMO 23:13, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Mate u are so right necros sould have been reveald in HW, oh well i hope there is a new prof next week :) KÆL 16:56:48 (UTC)

Having the Necromancer revealed during halloween would have driven game rage anticipation like a mofo, that's exactly what they should have done. :P (Xu Davella 17:01, 30 October 2010 (UTC))

It's been almost 10 weeks... I'm sad now. :( Eive 19:50, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I can feel your pain Eive. I really hope there will be something new this week, 10 weeks is crazy compared with the other prof that got revealed.KÆL 21:50:24 (UTC)

Hints dropped on Twitter

http://twitter.com/guildwars2/status/26864709145 That'll help settle speculation. I'm Leaning for Mesmer, renamed Assassin, then the two new professions. -- ᴥ GreyGhost (talk!) ᴥ 18:15, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

What about the forth one?--Sierra87.65.60.125 18:43, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I thought everyone already knew this? But it's nice to have confirmation, I suppose.. :O --Amannelle 21:23, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

AGH WHY DON'T THEY JUST REALEASEIT ALREADY </rage> Zolann The Irreverent 22:15, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking Assassin too. But then again, maybe the new Soldier class being Paragon-like with a different name.--Spigs 01:56, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

So this leaves another one who could be either a returning, a returning with different name, and a brand new. My guess are Mesmer as the returning without name change, Assassin (either with the same name or not), Paragon (either with the same name or not, depending on if the assassin maintain his name), and the profession oriented to enviroment item skills (engineer, or mechanic, or Indiana Jones like or something like that). The worst of all is that with this new HoM thing I suspect that they will delay the next reveal a little more.Lokheit 10:34, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Fail. --The Holy Dragons 10:43, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually notice how in the GDC2010 art the Gwen-like lady is almost certainly a Mesmer, which her colourscheme confirms (so far the colourschemes have been the same as they have been in GW1). The Assassin has a different colourscheme though (Assassins are deep purple themed in GW1), so this will probably be the similar but differently named profession, I'm guessing something like Scoundrel who will be the second adventurer. The blue lady is probably something like a cleric; a heavy armored Monk/Priest-like class. This would make sense because ANet has said there will be a class that appeals to the Monk players, she'll be the second soldier class. The last adventurer class is the most mysterious, but personally I'm thinking a guns and golems type of adventurer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 188.200.151.68 (talk) at 16:46, 14 October 2010 (UTC).

I believe the new assassin class will be the centurion due to the descriptions of the daggers rewarded from the hall of monuments--Bergerz  21:33, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

A centurion is a commander of a century (a group of one hundred soldiers). If it said "fit for a king," I wouldn't expect that kings will replace assassins. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 21:41, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

That would fit well into the personal storylines haha "Hey dude im the king of Kryta" "No dude im the king of Kryta" people might become a little suspicious Xswsxsws1 21:49, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I hate to be pedantic and it's not related to GW or GW2 but a centurion was actually in charge of 80 men NOT 100. Including the centurion there would be 81 soldiers that would form a perfect 9 x 9 square that was impenetrable from all sides.--Stu 16:51, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it was 80 to 100 men, but it's faster to just say 100. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 00:11, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

HoM hints?

Not sure if this was brought up before, but in HoM theres an unlockable dagger aswell as a Dwayna focus. Makes me believe that an assassin type profession even more of a possibility. As for the Dwayna focus, A holy warrior comes to mind. Although, in my deepest hopes i hope they release a monk anyway. Not as a support character but just as a holy damage dealer. Just redesign them to be full smite and I would be so happy :'(216.244.50.117 20:56, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Old news, truly. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 21:05, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

^thats even more old, then the news I just gaveOn second thought its not even news its speculation. What are we, FOX news?216.244.50.117 21:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

If we were fox news I would leave and never come back... Anyways, the unlockable dagger doesn't mean anything, considering multiple professions can use daggers, and the Dwayna Focus isn't a focus, its a gauntlet, unless you're talking about the Chimeric Prism, in which case, I would say that has more to due with Lyssa than Dwayna. All aboard the speculation train! Eive 22:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

We're getting mounts, choo choo!! (Xu Davella 22:41, 10 October 2010 (UTC))

I misunderstood then. When I saw gauntlet I assumed it was a focus like[12], so any ideas what gauntlets will be used for if not used for traditional "focus" needs? Will it just be an arm-guard that gives bonus defense?216.244.50.117 22:51, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Its just hand armor. Eive 22:52, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) There is also an unlockable pistol, and yet we haven't a class that uses pistols. Hint of a bounty hunter/pirate/alchemist/gunner profession? --Riddle 22:55, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I like your idea. Plus, it has a fish, so hints for a possible pirate? I think so! (We are still joke-speculating aren't we?) Eive 22:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, we also get a Deldrimor Mace, so clearly "Deldrimor" is going to be a class. --Riddle 23:04, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

No, it means dwarves are in as a secret race! I bet that comes with the 50th HoM unlock. --ஸ Kyoshi 23:05, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh! Pick me! There's a Baroque Masque...possible dancer profession? Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 00:31, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Overall this clearly alludes to dancing dwarfs. Eive 03:38, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually, painting dwarf pirates. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 03:52, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Based on holy damages and secretly named "monks" Yeah, i think so --Qral 18:12, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Actually, when it occurred to me that an assassin like profession is more likely coming I was sad :(. Every MMO has to have an assassin/ninja class and ends up being another headache for players and developers...216.244.50.117 00:59, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Ninjas!: Now Know To Be The Leading Cause Of Headaches Around The World! By Ninjaway TODAY!! Only $9.99!!!...Ok, I'mma go to sleep now. Zolann The Irreverent 01:12, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Assassin-type classes were made for people like me. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 01:11, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm going to miss Temple Strike. Good times. --ஸ Kyoshi 04:58, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

I think everyone is going to miss the original Flashing Blades, it made early sins terrible, because that was the only elite they had for several missions. Good times. Eive 06:53, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Pure speculation by me, but I can see flashing blades as an ofhand sword (it's more accurate in a sword than in a dagger if you think about what it does) skill for the assassin/rogue profession the same way that rangers have whirlwind defense with the offhand axe.Lokheit 10:58, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

The way some skills have been renamed to different professions, flashing blades could be a lightning-damage-based skill that causes blindness, with an animation that merely looks like 'blades' of lightning. 165.29.184.7 16:22, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Defeats the purpose of the nostalgia. --ஸ Kyoshi 17:34, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Why couldn't the renamed Assassin-like profession be the second soldier profession? It could make sense, since they both use blades and stuff like that. Just saying. Thonyonline 7:50, 13 October 2010 (CET)

Elementalists use daggers, Necromancers use axes, Chefs use blades. What is your point? - Giant Nuker 11:21, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

That's true but both the Elementalist and the Necromancer are spell based professions. The Assassin however, is a combat based profession, just like the warrior. A renamed Assassins could be the second soldier profession. It might be a profession that uses quick combat based attacks to swiftly take down an apponent, while lacking heavy armor or strong defensive skills. The warrior does have heavy armor but for as far as I know (and also based on the last Guild Wars) its not one of the fastest killers. Don't you think it makes sense? Again, this is purly speculation. Thonyonline 22:36, 13 October 2010 (CET)

Thom, the whole poit is that a soilder has heavy armor!!! that how the classes are organised! I think the sin will appear as a renamed prof that is an adventurer named the rouge. rouge has been mentioned several times including describing Dougal Kreane in GoA. it would use daggers(duh) pistol (woo!) rifle sword and i really think a sin holding a greatsword would be sick (though not likley) Xswsxsws1 20:46, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

You mean rogue. Rouge is makeup. But yes, heavy armor means it's not swift or...well...it means heavy armor. --ஸ Kyoshi 00:42, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree that the assassin if it makes a return will be an adventurer rather than soldier. I doubt it will be named rogue, the name alone would cause the majority of the WoW playerbase to throw out several accusations of copying WoW even if the rogue fuctions differently in guild wars 2. Considering that the company Arenanet was founded by previous Blizzard employees I think they would be wise to avoid the name. (I am aware that the term rogue has been in use for longer than WoW but Blizzards fanbase wouldn't care). I also believe that Dougal Keane for GW2: GoA functions outside of the game mechanics and cannot be categorized into a profession.--Decoinferno 09:28, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I haven't read the book yet, but what exactly do you mean by that? Does he weild an unusual number of weapons or something? --ஸ Kyoshi 15:44, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Dougal is a sort of Indiana Jones kinda type :3 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by {{subst:#ifexist: User:The Holy Dragons | The Holy Dragons (talk • contribs | The Holy Dragons (talk }}{{subst:#if:|) at {{{2}}} (UTC).|).}}

So he has a whip and fedora, or he uses his mind more than his weapons? --ஸ Kyoshi 15:49, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

He is in fact hired for his mind. (not really a spoiler since this is established in the beginning of the first act of the book). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by {{subst:#ifexist: User:188.200.151.68 | 188.200.151.68 (talk • contribs | 188.200.151.68 (talk }}{{subst:#if:|) at {{{2}}} (UTC).|).}}

But does he fight, and what weapons does he use? (What I've been getting at for the past 2 questions.) --ஸ Kyoshi 17:47, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Mainly a sword but he also used a bow.--Elemental Phantom 19:14, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah i guess he is more of a ranger than an assassin type although i still think sin will be the renamed one and im telling you shadow stepping with a greatsword would be epic Xswsxsws1 21:43, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

He wasn't exactly adept at using his sword though, which is what I imagine an assassin to be. He seemed like a 'generic' adcenturer to me - he doesn't seem to fit into any profession. Hareemuh 21:49, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) It's not that he was particularly -bad- with swords, the stupid things just kept breaking. I found that bit of a running gag funny, honestly. Anyways... it's been stated that the book works outside of the game's mechanics. After all, we know necromancers don't actually animate enemy corpses anymore, and killeen does this several times. 24.89.47.33 23:45, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

"...in HoM theres an unlockable dagger... Makes me believe that an assassin type profession even more of a possibility" - as mentioned, Warriors and other class can apparently use daggers, since they're rightly rehauling the weapons system a bit.

"I doubt it [the assassin] will be named rogue, the name alone would cause the majority of the WoW playerbase to throw out several accusations of copying WoW." - To my mind, a Rogue class would sound like you were copying D&D a lot more than WoW... in fact that's probably where WoW got the name from, not that it's that big a leap of imagination. Of course, you're right to say WoW people mightn't even understand that.

Anyway, given the Mesmer is probably in and the Monk is probably out, that leaves the Dervish, 'Sin, Ritualist and Paragon who are probably not returning - as mentioned faaaar above, the Dervish could be coming back in a sense, but reworked and renamed (maybe as some sort of Templater/Paladin type class, possibly combined with the Paragon... or perhaps it could be the paragon, but made into a melee or optionally melee char) but it wouldn't surprise me if the Assassin comes back since I think it's the least region-dependant class (and Elona and Cantha are inaccessable iirc) of the lot, so it would make the most sense as a Tyrian class (especially given Anton in GW1 is a Tyrian Assassin hero). I guess we'll just have to wait and see, though. Widowmaker 13:52, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Hayda, Xandra, and Kahmu were from Tyria as well, weren't they?--Ph03n1x 14:41, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Hayda = Tyria (Shining Blade)

Xandra = Canthan (Luxon,turtle clan)

Kahmu = Elonian (vabbi)

--The Holy Dragons 14:52, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Lemme just say soemthing here, Mesmers are more faggy than assasins. so lrn2play.--Neil • 15:36, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

para's are better :3 (still ranger pwnz all) --The Holy Dragons 15:57, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Neil, stop your pointless rage against Mesmers, it isn't going anywhere. -- Cyan 17:42, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Hm. If the Mesmers you've faced needed to lrn2play, you wouldn't be on this forum QQing about them, would you? Suck my Spectral Wand, biatch.--Ph03n1x 00:47, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Annd boom goes the dynamite. Although this isn't a forum. Eive 00:51, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually Neil is right, surprisingly. I may have been able to say he was wrong before, but since they got buffed, Mesmers can be ran by any noob who can mash buttons.--Emmisary 17:15, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

That's true with any profession given the right build. Throw Warrior's Endurance/attack skills/vampiric weapon on a Warrior, Apply Poison and Incendiary Arrows on a Ranger, max Soul Reaping and minion-raising spells on a Necromancer, Searing Flames/Attunements/Mark of Rodgort/Burning Gaze on an Elementalist, Destructive was Glaive and Arcane Echo on a Ritualist, "Save Yourselves!"/"There's Nothing to Fear!"/an IAS or Adrenaline builder on a Paragon, or Eternal Aura and a Form on a Dervish. Even Monks can successfully faceroll a smiting bar. --Ph03n1x 19:56, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Just a thought, but it's quite possible that rit could be in.. if you consider that mesmers may be the class that can use guns but not bows(mesmers weilding pistol fits general theme of mesmers), that means that there would be no suspected "gunner" class (can't say I'd be sad about this).. so it's possible that rits could be moved to a medium armor type class that utilizes weapon spells more and spirits a bit less.. granted, people wouldn't like this much, but it's better than nothing.. also, you can totally faceroll a memser bar. just use E-surge energy denial. everyone will hate you for it, but that's the fun of it!~ Reez 02:40, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Has anyone considered a Mesmer becoming an adventurer? They are basically performers. Using their wit, charm and guile to dominate a crowd or a foe. Acting is their primary trait, while magic is their secondary.

i would love to see the mesmer able to use a sword and pistol. making them sorta like a muskateer. they have that extravagant look to em aswell which suits the image. similar to how in the gw 1 picture of the mesmer women holding a sword, despite the fact it wasnt a mesmer weapon. the necro uses an axe after all just not so much for physical attacks so could use a similiar thing with a sword ArthasShadowsong 23:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

yeah, but atm heritage armor clues that if there is a mesmer, it'll likely be a light armor class... though, I don't doubt that mesmers will use swords (illusionary weaponry?).. still, I sorta hope there something other than the "gunner/alchemist" class everyone suspects for the 2nd medium armor Reez 04:21, October 18 2010 (UTC)

To quote the above "mesmer able to use a sword and pistol""muskateer""gw 1 picture of the mesmer women holding a sword" It could make perfect sense, 'reforming a old profession' would make the MesmER a MusketeER and 'returning a other profession' would make Assassin. I also think this new muskateer will be a little bit Dervish like by using a sword and some Illusionary Weapons...... If ANet would be smart, they'd look here for feedback........

Your wit and modesty are a staggering combination. --ஸ ķ̌ɎǾshĺ 00:02, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

What's your though on it then? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.12.14.26 (talk).

I prefer that the I.P user sign his/her posts on the proper way. That means you use 4 tidles (~~~~). Thanks in advance. -- Cyan 11:07, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Color Spectrum

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but I didn't see it anywhere on the talk page or main page for this, and it seemed, to me, to be worth noting. Whether it's deliberate or not, thus far, the professions have been revealed in the order their 'color' would appear on a visible light spectrum. Red, yellow, light green, blue-green. Continuing with this pattern would leave blue mace lady, purple fan, and the black-themed fellow with daggers to be revealed in that order, with the eighth class, as per usual, an unknown. What say you? 165.29.184.7 18:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

This would asume that black is a colour. Also, the theory would fall apart with the 8^th class. An ineresting observation nonetheless. A decreasing selection based on wavlength would be a neat note, but we'll have to wait and see to add a trivia note to the article. I'll admit, my interest is peaked. Venom20 18:56, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Now that I think about it... the fact that his color is black, not fitting on the spectrum, may well fit the theme if he's the stealthy type that a lot of people have theorized. You never know where he could be revealed, haha. 165.29.184.7 19:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Or, since the 8th is an unknown, maybe Mr. Black will be last and the 8th will fit in there somewhere before.--Ph03n1x 00:43, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Interesting find, although that was the order I figured they would release them, with mystery-charr being between the mace-lady and the mesmer. Eive 02:33, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Interesting theory, the 8th one could fit in there or be white (to correspond the black). Or ultraviolet ? Lol. -Alarielle- 11:10, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the daggers guy's theme is black, I think it's more like an spectral light version of lavender (wich was the colour for assassin bosses in GW1) or cyan (ritualist bosses colour, expected to not be returning). It's an interesting theory, but I think then the mesmer would be the last one (I think magenta is the closest to ultraviolet from what we have), wich I think is improbable because we actually know them from GoA. Lokheit 21:57, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Someone else added this note a month or so ago and it got removed. (Xu Davella 01:23, 21 October 2010 (UTC))

im recalling an old video ...

where they mentioned, that they wanted to put some new professions into an 4th gw-part but everything was so huge and complex that they split it into gw:en and gw2. one of these profeesions was the chonomancer or look at the article and the discussion on gw:wiki. maybe they reworked the design to fit more the asuran golemancer. Mystic Gohan 00:42, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Already been stated multiple times "chronomancers are sure not to be included". Even reworked, I the only way one could be a chronomancer is control over time, not golems.68.144.97.124 00:47, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Interestingly, they made no note of there not being summoners, which was to be the other GW utopia class.. then again, summoner could just as well be necro Reez 01:27, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Or the Mesmer summoning illusionary constructs!--Ph03n1x 15:04, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Or the mesmer making others think he is a Chronomancer, but it's all an illusion in the end...--Mark, het Beest 17:47, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Maybe Guild-wars is an illusion and we're all just playing WoW! Õ.o --The Holy Dragons 17:50, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA~ Zolann The Irreverent 21:46, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

What is this, Inception?--Ph03n1x 23:02, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

I still support the idea that Mesmers should be able to mind control any creature for use as a pet. Such as the Shatterer, and King Adelbern's ghost. Eive 01:34, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

no this isnt inception this is the matrix.Xswsxsws1 02:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Or so they want you to think it is^^--Mark, het Beest 10:33, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

QMGz PEOPLE! We're all eating bad steak!!98.246.29.12 14:35, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Druid

Why does everyone think there will be a Druid profession? I've seen this pop up numerous times all over the wiki and it's piqued my curiousity as to why people are so sure it'll be included as a profession? Nowhere in Guild Wars was there any class that resembled the Druid (aside from the Ranger), and the idea of it as a profession doesn't seem to fit with the Guild Wars (and Guild Wars 2) style (due to Rangers being the "nature-based" profession already). On top of this, we already have the Druids of lore having transcended their flesh, and at the most I can only see the Sylvari coming close to fitting with Druids (lore wise). 68.144.97.124 17:04, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't think most people are thinking druid right now. Eive 18:18, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Besides, druids are more of a "race" in GW lore. And yeah, I haven't seen anything about druids for a while. --ஸ Kyoshi 18:20, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

There is a concept art with a sylvari and a druid titled druid so people are probably misunderstanding it. Druid is a race (kinda) in GW1 and not some sort of nature summoning class. I have heard news somewhere though that Sylvari may have some racial skill that summons a druid Xswsxsws1 18:44, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Best guess is because the Silvari are almost like a druid race rather than profession. Maybe subconciously people have got druids on the brain because of this. --Stu 16:52, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Interesting?

2:50 on this vid. [13].--Emmisary 19:55, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

I've already mentioned it above. It seems like the second soldier. Like a knight with strange blue-ish magic. Look at the other pics before this one, they're the same 'profession' --Majere 19:59, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

I wonder if anyone can do screenshots of these images to upload. Might be better if others knew - like those who might not get to view this video. I'm watching the video and so far I like the art. Ariyen 20:06, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Of course we can Ariyen, that's how we have the pictures for all of the other slideshows. And I agree, this is obviously the second soldier, and appears to be some kind of holy templar/knight profession. Eive 21:10, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Wielding a wand and...it looks like he's doing something with that background stuff, since it's got the same aura as his wand does and it appears to be floating. I'm really curious now. --ஸ ķ̌yoshĺ 21:21, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

REVOLUTIONIZED WEAPON SPELLS, YEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!! --Naoroji 21:23, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

I think it's a Jedi :O --The Holy Dragons 21:29, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Could be and it might be the "This is not the Jedi, you are looking for." ;) Ariyen 21:50, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Someone beat you to it under the first topic Viscero 23:41, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Read closer. I noted that the character appeared to be causing an object (looks like a weapon) to levitate. That's not a buff like you suggested, that's a levitating weapon. --ஸ ķ̌yoshĺ 23:55, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

I think he was making his own assumption Kyoshi, imagining that the profession could use weapon spells, not going off of what you said. Eive 23:59, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

In the section he referred to, he was talking about a GW2G post he read that talked about weapon spell buffs. His next two posts were after that, so "beating us to it" doesn't really work in either case. --ஸ ķ̌yǾshĺ 00:44, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

It might be because of the painkillers I took around 15-30 minutes ago, but I'm partially confused and will now exclude myself from the rest of this conversation... Eive 00:50, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Eive, you thought Kyoshi was responding to me (or anyone else that isn't Viscero), while in fact, Kyoshi was responding to Viscero. AND PRESTO! Mystery solved :D. --Naoroji 00:57, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

(reset) To me it looks like some sort of judge or justiciar profession. I thin it isn't a wand but a mace, and probably this is an effect of a skill, some sort of the effect that the ranger has when use the serpent strike skill, probably some sort of justice blow The mace of a judge is a relevant part of the job what better than make it a colorful awesome skill to give justice to the evil ones? :P. The judge concept is good for a paladin-like proff. without the holy thing wich doesn't meld well with the charr. It make me think about w40k space marines (in what refers to personality) and I could even see them wielding main hand pistols + shield (counter strike anyone? ;P). EDIT: Just realized the shield and the sword with the same blue light chained to the same base than the giant hammer, it could be an interesting mechanic Lokheit 01:27, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

It seems too small to be a mace. Or an ineffective one, at least. --ஸ ķ̌yǾshĺ 02:46, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Realistically, that would be a huge mace. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 04:42, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I guess video game weapons have jaded me. --ஸ ķ̌yǾshĺ 05:52, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

It could just be an ugly beginner mace. We all know how ugly Anet makes their beginner weapons. Eive 06:05, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

1:41 has similar color and armor themes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by {{subst:#ifexist: User:82.149.1.199 | 82.149.1.199 (talk • contribs | 82.149.1.199 (talk }}{{subst:#if:|) at {{{2}}} (UTC).|).}}

Blue Mace Kodan We already had a blue mace wielding kodan on the site.Lokheit 09:33, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Only the head is blue. Not the same. -- Arduin 09:35, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

To respond to the original poster : to me, this pic looks like a warrior wearing a mace. But it might be the second soldier, considering that he semms to be spell casting. -Alarielle-

@Arduin yes, only the head (in fact the upper part, from the hand to the head) is blue, but look at the soldier from the image, only from the hand to the head of the mace is blue too, so in fact they could be of the same profession. Lokheit 07:33, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

He seems to be wielding a scepter and a shield. Ivokk 19:02, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

@Lokheit, yes you are right, was looking at the weapons floating around the character. -- Arduin 22:03, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Mesmer

Ghosts of Ascalon, page 230 - "Necromancers among the humans have been considered rather unsettling for centuries, even though they work in magic like elementalists, mesmers, and other practitioners." Dougal, the main character of the book talks about mesmers in the present tense; indicating that mesmers are widely known in GuildWars 2. 91.176.226.239 19:47, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

We have already heard of this. The people who got advanced copies (meaning copies released before the actual release date) told us of this before the book came out. Also this is one of the main reasons people say that the mesmer is going to be a profession. Please look around for sources that might have already posted this info before you next time. - Giant Nuker 19:55, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

You're so mean. I actually thank the IP, because that's the first time I actually see the quote ^_^ -Alarielle- 20:44, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Please tell me where in the wiki it says you can't repost information in a discussion? This isn't a thread on GW2 Guru, he can say a quote from a book, without having to check if someone else already said it, if he wants to. Valyster 01:51, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Please tell me where anyone said that you can't repost information in a discussion. If someone thought otherwise, they would have just removed 91.176's comment. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 02:24, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedback:Getting_started Scroll Down to "Step-Three" and read the captions provided. I'm assuming its not enforced, but encouraged so that we don't have unnecessary posts. --Eclipse143 05:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

First, that's a guideline for a feedback section, so it's not applicable here. For another, it's for the GWW, not the GW2W, so it isn't enforced or applicable here. Third, it only suggests what it does to avoid clutter; there's no rule that posting something that's already there isn't allowed.

While reposts are annoying, they don't do any harm unless they're intentional and repetitive spam. Note it and move on. (Also, was there any good reason to continue this discussion after Alarielle's post?) --ஸ ķ̌yǾshĺ 06:00, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

It's a discussion, doesn't have to stop at Alarielle's post. I'm looking forward to Mesmer - if it's announced. ;o) Ariyen 06:12, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I believe I was being a little more mean because I have been spending more time on GW2G and I'm getting to the point where I will go crazy over new info, which I thought this might be, but I was sadly disappointed. - Giant Nuker 12:15, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

THe only reason why I got the book was to find out what part of it mentioned Mesmers. It is quite literally a one word mention of that profession in the 'entire' book. (Xu Davella 14:17, 26 October 2010 (UTC))

@Ariyen: I'm not questioning the right, just the reasoning. --ஸ ķ̌yǾshĺ 15:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't see why the reasoning needs to be questioned. It is a talk page of professions being revealed and this section is on the speculation of mesmer. Ariyen 17:05, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually, sections should never be about speculation or w/e, but all about contents of the page and how it could be improved. But no worries, I break that one a lot too, it's just too easy to actually start discussing stuff, hehe. --Naoroji 17:27, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) /doh. Ariyen, what I meant is that people got really confrontational about Giant Nuker's post (I think, since I can't see who else Sparky and Valyster could have been talking to) when he neither attacked the IP nor announced any kind of rule to be followed, but gave a constructive suggestion which is basically good wiki (or forum) etiquette.

But seeing as this is becoming unnecessarily tangential, I'll leave it at that. --ஸ ķ̌yǾshĺ 20:12, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, thing is I did not see anything confrontational, just people QQing - like him for even asking on "facts", when it's just an ip's opinion on mesmer - or for people to jump on him for even what he said (that's not helpful - that's a drama starter). When the best to settle it would have been basically "the Ip stated, by what was already avaliable, his opinion" and left it at that. No need of any hostility or rudeness from anyone. Best the ip did was get out of the drama infested that started. There was no need of even pointing out where it should have ended, but more-so to say this is a pointless discussion. Neither has proven if mesmer will come or won't. It's all still speculation. I'd like to see this discussion removed rather than archived, due to speculation from the get go. So, for the sake of anymore "hostility" or complaints. I ask that no one responds to this discussion, unless it's constructive and does give more than what we all already know. That would include responding to this half-*** comment by me. ;) Ariyen 23:42, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

THIS CONVERSATION ISNT EVEN ABOUT MESMERS ANYMORE!!!!! Although i never really was a mesmer fan. It is a truley unique class tho Xswsxsws1 00:49, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

When the conversation drifted about the conversation's validity, that's when you go "wtf". I hate this kind of random crap as well, it's just a waste of space, but the only thing you can do is say "this wiki is not a forum". If they don't listen, take it to the talk pages, don't perpetuate it... (Xu Davella 15:19, 27 October 2010 (UTC))

This conversation is meta.

...GET IT?! LULZ --Ph03n1x 05:01, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

And thanks to you it's meta-meta. But let's leave it at that. --ஸ ķ̌yǾshĺ 06:22, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Now is it meta-meta-meta? Xswsxsws1 03:26, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

This is why I said leave it at that. It'll just degrade into trolling. Now shush. --ஸ ķ̌yǾshĺ 03:30, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Problem, officer? Waar Kijk Je Naar 06:39, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

The cuffs are too tight.--Ph03n1x 08:20, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

They're fuzzy, so that shouldn't be too much of a problem should it? Eive 08:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

The next profession reveal...

...Likely won't happen any time soon. At one of the fansite forums, someone mentioned how he heard Arena Net talking, during PAX, how they had made such a big hype in order to get people excited for the demo available at the conventions. Now that the demo had been made available, they would slow the hype down considerably while they worked at the game. No one believed that guy at the time, but now it appears he was right - and the last big piece of news we got was the Hall of Monuments rewards, in order to keep people distracted with GW1 while we don't get any GW2 news.
I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get any more profession reveals until next year. Which would mean months of the above spam as people continue repeating "where's moar classes plz!!!" over and over. You people have to understand the wiki is not a forum - there are other places far more suited to that kind of spam. All you are achieving here is making this page too big (right now it's at 95 kb, three times what it should have been) due to content that has nothing to do with improving this article. Erasculio 22:58, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, please indent your posts with ":". Also, I doubt they would wait until next year to release more professions. It's bad marketing sense to suddenly drop the hype when they appear very well along the way to beta testing (typical beta testing, considering they had so much already implemented and a lot more things ready to go but not initiated. I'd assume around 50% completion including the rest of the profs but excluding the racial contributions to storyline). At most, perhaps another profession reveal date (according to our rough timeline) will go by before we get another but the game has been slated (in a few sources ranging from official to circulating rumours) to begin testing (probably alpha) by late 2010 and early 2011 and be released sometime in 2011. Also, just to solve all the "where's moar classes plz!!!" (of which I am a contributor ;3) should we just consolidate all the posts by just linking a new thread in the forums and saying "Post here please"? 68.144.97.124 00:17, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I must inquire at IP, the entire post was made by Era, he doesn't need to indent different parts of a single comment. And yes (@Era), I agree that this situation is out of control; the talk page is lacking anything but speculation, and this speculation does little to nothing to make the article bettere. Talk pages are for discussing the article, in both content and appearance, and to discuss changes that could be made to improve the article, not to post "well I think <insert profession idea x here> will come back." There is a place for speculation, it's called a user page/the user namespace. Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 00:25, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) It would be bad business sense, however, to work on releasing more information when development can progress faster without having to worry about how to present it immediately. I have no doubt they'll give us more information before release/beta, but the demo has taken the hype to a new level that won't likely die within the year, and they're still doing the demo at other conventions and events. Firsthand experience (and second-hand retellings of firsthand experience) will make people confident about the game more than new information ever would.

As far as the fansite content on this page, *shrug*. It's all some people can think to do when they don't want to participate in figuring out categorization or naming conventions. If the size is a bother then it can always be archived. --ஸ ķ̌yǾshĺ 00:28, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that non of these discussions can be considered over (and many have fairly recent posts). As we are not supposed to archive (comparitively) active discussions, we have to leave this monstrosity of a page at is current size. (This is beyond spirit of policy.) This becomes a vicious cycle, as more unfinished speculation discussions will still pop up while the old ones will be kept as well... Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 00:31, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Fair, but you could archive the ones that are finished. --ஸ ķ̌yǾshĺ 00:33, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Aaaah sorry, didn't notice it was all by Era. My bad.68.144.97.124 00:35, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) @Kyoshi: Define finished; most of these discussions have posts from within the last week. Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 00:37, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't know where you pull that statistic from; at least half of them are over a week old. I'd say that discussions which seem to be done and which are over a week old are fair game, since most of the info is repeats anyway. Obviously it's debatable, seeing as you just told me to define it. --ஸ ķ̌yǾshĺ 00:41, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Eras' edit right at the top of this section is there to remind everyone that this is not a forum. The edit isn't there so that people can continue discussing it even further. Seriously guys, the horse has been beaten and now it's starting to rot. (Xu Davella 01:29, 1 November 2010 (UTC))

Perhaps we could put a boilerplate thing at the top reminding people of the purpose of this page? Manifold 02:53, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't see it helping much, but I wouldn't oppose. --ஸ ķ̌yǾshĺ 05:50, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

+1 Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 20:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Haha I find it funny that a post about how this page is NOT a forum has then turned into a lengthy discussion :D But let's be honest here, the conversations aren't going to die until all the professions are revealed...at which point this page will be useless. I say we create links to a page dedicated solely to speculation about what professions are coming out and when they will be released. If this is not the place for speculation, then you need to provide a suitable place for them to discuss or it will continue here. ERIC the ESKIMO 00:20, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

What was meant by "this is not a forum" is "this is not the place to discuss the professions reveal, because it is the place to discuss the page documenting the profession reveal". Discussions pertaining to the wiki itself are obviously more relevant on any talk page than speculation or lore discussions. (Not that I'm sure where it would go if not on these talk pages, unless your idea was implemented in some form.) --ஸ ķ̌ɎǾshĺ 07:50, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

"I say we create links to a page dedicated solely to speculation about what professions are coming out and when they will be released": here. That's a proper place for that kind of discussion. Erasculio 09:56, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

What's taking so long?

Are they ever gonna release the next one??? I'm like dying of anticipation x( --Master500010 01:10, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

At this rate we most likely will have to wait until about 6 weeks after the HoM reveal. So probably two weeks from now. Eive 01:16, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Ugh that really sucks --Master500010 01:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually, at the latest, it should be next week and THEN they've started changing the professions reveal "schedule". 136.159.72.4 15:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I think we're getting the last 4 professions at the initial release of Guild Wars 2 (:S) --The Holy Dragons 16:17, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

But they said that they were going to use the Beta as a sort of testing ground just before the release (testing audience reception and last minute balances). So it would make more sense to release all of the professions before this complete-quasi-demo is released for people to play with. It would both allow them to see what professions are enjoyed and why, and also let them attract the people that weren't drawn in by the Elementalist, Warrior, Ranger, and Necromancer. Hype it up before the beta, then see who chooses what and why. 136.159.72.4 16:36, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, i think i remember from somewhere Anet saying something about the public perception of beta's having changed, so that they weren't going to have a big open beta before release. If they do have one, it'll be small and short, imho, so they would waste time for hyping in the run-up to release if they waited to release the last 4 classes until just before the beta. Thering 16:51, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

(reset indent) Well, if they do a beta there'll probably be all professions, but yes, they said if there's a beta, it'll be short, don't remember where. Aside from that, the HoM reveal is 5 weeks ago if I count properly, so it should be next week, assuming they follow a 6-week schedule. But, like the previous section said, how is it useful to post a question no one has an answer to ? -Alarielle- 23:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Idk I just don't get what's going on. Wish they would hurry up and reveal them --Master500010 01:42, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

It's simple marketing; if you give everything away at once, people lose interest by the time the release rolls around. If you release the big things just as people are cooling off from the last bit of news, it keeps the hype going until release. --ஸ Kyoshi 01:48, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

haha well I'm done cooling off from the last news..i want a profession reveal!--Master500010 02:30, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

idk im pretty sure 3 months is a little too long to wait inbetween big announcements :/ and they havent even been doing any smaller articles on fighting/healing/trade/etc. to fill in the weeks inbetween proffession releases >.< idk what they are doing... ERIC the ESKIMO 00:25, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Personally I would consider the HoM rewards reveal to be a large announcement, and they have given us a few articles since the last profession reveal like the loot reveal, and there are still some interviews i believe.--Elemental Phantom 01:49, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I pretty much got used to pulling up their blog on Wednesdays and seeing something new to catch up on, new articles or interview links, in-between their 6-week big stuff. Now it's been 5 weeks since HoM Calc, and pretty much empty since then. Sure, we got some PC Gamer stuff, which didn't really give anything new. Saying "Hey, Paris is cool and we're all having fun here" isn't exactly news, either, but that was the last thing, and even that was 2 weeks ago. These guys are cruel. :( Another profession reveal is probably coming next week (it better be), but where's all the cool filler they used to have? Rose Of Kali 19:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Might just be running out. They've got PvP and the other professions to go over, and what else that we know of? There really isn't much unless they've got something up their sleeves (and I'm sure they do, but enough for something every week/other week until release, when they don't even know when it'll be ready yet?). --ஸ Kyoshi 21:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

They have to stretch these out until GW2 release sometime in 2012 - or later. I wouldn't be surprised if they were staggered every six months. -Auron 23:49, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

odd, I remember reading somewhere that it was coming out before 2012, though I've no idea if it's a credible source. Though, I don't think that Anet would stretch it out quite to that extent(yes I'm aware that it's probably sarcasm) but if I had to guess I'd say around 1 month for major releases like pvp professions and what not. ~ Reez 00:03, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Most sources (they're lurking around somewhere, check around and most speculations agree), such as the Anual Report thingy-majig, say that the GW2 closed beta will be sometime (hopefully) before 2011, and GW2 will be released sometime Q1-Q2 2011.161.184.88.202 00:25, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

@ reez I guess you meant PvP, professions ^^ --The Holy Dragons 08:35, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I actually believe that they're going to release a new profession with Sylvari gameplay. If the Sylvari are being redesigned (and they are) that's why we've not seen any gameplay with them. We've seen Human,Charr and Asura gameplay (professions) so far. So I guess Sylvari are next to be shown or Norn. KristinaBlueBlur 18:45, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I actually have to give you points there Kristina. Most likely the next one has been put off so much so that they can redesign the Sylvari, but I think it'll be more a combination of Asura, Norn, and Sylvari in it. Like how Elementalist was all Human, then Warrior was 3 Human, 2 Charr, then Ranger was 2 Human, 2 Charr, and 1 mixed, then Necromancer went 2 Charr, 1 Human, 1 Asura, and 1 Mixed. Kind of seems like they're slowly transitioning to the point where each profession reveal will have a one skill showcased by each race for the profession. Only one or two more profession reveals until that point I'd say. Anyone else think this is a feasible idea? 161.184.88.202 19:33, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't like speculation and as said above... *sigh* It should belong on a forum, not here. This is for revealing professions, not guess work. Usually, many would place their speculations on their own user page as their personal review and that's just a thought. :-) Ariyen 23:54, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

While you MIGHT have a point, I would like to remind you that I am wearing a bow tie, thereby rendering your arguement invalid. Also, discussing the manner in which they may be deciding to reveal the professions and "what's taking them so long" is sort of related to the Profession Reveal page (albeit, you're correct in saying that it SHOULD be moved to a forum xD)161.184.88.202 01:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Haha. Well it's not directly related to the profession reveal, but it's more so just speculation and people should be patient until they decide to reveal another profession. It's their choice and time... Though I hope it's not tooo much longer. It is annoying that they seem to take their "La Di Da" time. Ariyen 02:30, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

I have an owl, therefor you are wrong. This IS a discussion, wich IS about profession reveal. Yes, we are impatient, yes we are guessing, but discussion is all about facts, rumours and people with problems of time and wisdom. So dry your eyes or call the waaaaambulance. There will always be this sort of talk here, and we should be glad, knowing the fact that it doesn't spread to all other pages on the wiki. I have spoken. 62.12.14.28 17:47, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Obviously your owl doesn't come with a grammar- or spellchecker :D! But IP above me has a point, we are discussing the reasons behind their delay using the facts and speculations available to us (at the moment) and, if I do say so myself, they seem fairly plausible. Due to many people simply ignoring previous comments about moving this to a forum, if the admins agree, we might have to put a banner at the top just to forcefully inform people that this is not a forum. It sucks, I know, but still 'tis a thought. 136.159.70.7 18:26, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

I like owls. --Neil • 18:31, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) The discussion pages are mostly destined for discussions regarding the pages' lay-out, information, relevant side-notes, trivia, etc. or anything directly related to the content of the page. The subject which the page documents is: the reveal of the professions ANet is doing (and at a later stage "has been doing") prior to the actual release. There is no speculation involved documenting said actions, there is only speculation on the subject of revealing. This page is not meant for speculation on the profession reveal itself, therefore, there is a note up there linking to fan-forums and fan-sites. I believe the note has been put up for the very reason that all the speculation floods this discussion page regulary. - Infinite - talk 18:38, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Well played, the pair of you. Well played.136.159.70.7 18:55, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Although I respect the admins trying to keep the discussions on topic, let's face it: talk pages are always off topic. Go to any of the guild wikis and the skill pages will have discussions about the merits of the skill, the armor pages will have discussion on the look of the armor, etc. The talk will always be about the content of the page, not the page itself (in this case, the content is the professions reveal, which IS being discussed here). This discussion is what makes the wiki so appealing to the viewers. Without these discussions, the number of people that make accounts and participate actively will drop dramatically. This talk page CAN be used as a way to discuss the layout of the page, and if someone has an opinion or idea on how to make the page better, a new topic will be added and discussion will ensue. Until then, I think that discussion, whether speculative or factual, off topic or on topic, will be a welcome addition to the talk page. ERIC the ESKIMO 04:01, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that when there is so much clutter of speculation, the "useful" discussion gets lost in the mess. Just because there is off topic talk on other pages and wikis doesn't mean that it's okay to do so. Generally it's okay if it's not in the main space like feedback/user space.... but the main space talk pages are to discuss the page as Infinite said. By cluttering up the wiki with talk/spam/speculation that doesn't add anything to the talk page, then it can hurt rather than help the wiki by making useful discussions harder to find. Also users that do nothing but add speculation and talk page spam don't help the wiki either. It's the "content" of the pages that makes the wiki appealing, not the discussions. Remember a wiki is to "document" not to "speculate". If people are wanting to "document speculation" then feel free to create your own guildwars 2 wiki fork on like Wikia hosting service that documents speculation. Then people can have all the discussion/speculation/spam they want in a wiki enviroment. --Lania 08:10, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

There is already a gw2 on wikia... We don't need a third one. I agree in that this is about a game to document. We don't do speculation and even over there - I know, being one of the admins. I wouldn't tolerate speculation. Hence, I have said that speculation should be on user's page, not here. It's why i recommend towards ips to create an account and put their speculation there. It'd be better off than posting here. I don't care who thinks what will come, because that is speculation. I don't think such speculation should be allowed really as this is a documenting actual information type wiki and not documenting what we think/speculate type wiki. Ariyen 10:33, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

"We don’t have anything ready to announce at this time"; from this article . Safe to assume that they aren't revealing any professions in the near future so, best guess, just before the Christmas break season or a while after New Years. 136.159.128.173 19:03, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

@comment before mine: from the blog "We’ve got another profession in a good state and are getting ready to start the long process of preparing it for its debut." I would say less than 1 month, more than 10 days. Lokheit 11:36, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

It's sad they felt the need to write that article. It sounds almost exasperated, especially at the end: "All we ask is that you please be patient while we make Guild Wars 2 the game it deserves to be." Instead of being energized by excited supporters grateful for the information that they have taken the time to release, they've had to deal with rabid fanatics acting like they've already bought the game and are indignant that they haven't yet played it.--Ph03n1x 00:18, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Holiday season means that everything starts slowing down. If the next reveal doesn't come out by early December, it wont come out until January. (Xu Davella 15:41, 24 November 2010 (UTC))

Or February. ^.^ Ariyen 16:55, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

This is TORTURE D:D: 82.72.117.104 13:12, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

At last, there is another reveal of 2 professions this time! [14] How about that? (note that this is just a joke) --The Lurker 12:16, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Next profession - "In a good state"

Anet just said: "We’ve got another profession in a good state and are getting ready to start the long process of preparing it for its debut." - When It's Ready.

But who will it be? Mesmer or "Assassin." Why? Because they're the next ones in the image, moving out from the center, and because we have the most hints about them. I think we can all agree that the Mesmer is on the right, and the <insert new Assassin 2.0 name here> is on the left (based on this concept). They purposely put the mace+shield soldier and their most mysterious bazooka-wielding adventurer on the outside to leave them for last.

Mesmer is more likely, since we know more about it, and it was mentioned in GoA, while the Assassin wasn't. We've even seen the Mesmer in color - this was no accident on ANet's part, it wouldn't be there, in the classic Mesmer color, with the classic Mesmer fan, if they didn't want us to see it and recognize it. But the Assassin concept is black, which just like this black Necromancer-to-be concept, meaning that the Assassin concept is likely to change color once it's revealed, because black is just a bad color for a profession, it could become a problem with setting up UI text and anywhere else the profession color is used.

Now, before y'all start yelling "speculation! - go to a forum" again, I've italicized things we know for a fact or pretty much all agree on, and the purpose of this post was to present that together and relate it to the next reveal, and to ask if anyone has seen any other clues about it, maybe something that's worth posting in the article. I think the blog quote should definitely be posted, but not sure where to put it. Rose Of Kali 20:53, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Your speculation is good, but if you are judging that they are going to be revealing it from the center outward, then they would reveal the "<insert new Assassin 2.0 name here>" on the left as it is far more towards the center than the "Mesmer" on the right. But, again, your whole input IS speculation because you're assuming the professions that will take place in each "shadow" of the professions reveal. For all we know, the small "Assassin-like" shadow could actually be the second soldier (unlikely but, with all the information that we have, we simply can not be certain). Everything that you said is simply (the most viable) speculation with the materials available (except for the ANet quote, high pitched girly squees for the fact that it'll be revealed soon! :D). 136.159.72.4 21:12, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

The shadow with the shield on the right is probably the "mace lady", which makes no sense as an adventurer, everywhere I read it's presumed to be the second soldier. But in this post mainly I'm asking if anyone has seen any other clues to support or break what I said above, especially something solid enough to put in the article, like that quote. I'm highly annoyed when information is released in obscure places, such as the name "Winds of Change" I just now randomly saw here. So, if anyone sees anything else about the next profession reveal, speak up! Rose Of Kali 21:30, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

You are assuming way too much about everything that is nothing but blotches of gray paint right now. If I were to bet, some regions of the reveal picture hasn't even been determined yet, all you have right now are place holder. You are saying that "everyone agrees" that the shadow on the right is a Mesmer; who is exactly "we all"? More likely a few people that are similar minded as you and looking into blotches of paint and see all kinds of shapes jumping out. We know there is something like a BML in design, but you are again assuming that she is a human in the reveal, and that the two blotches of non-descript paints are "her" shield and mace? The BML actually can be any of the remaining shadows. Not many people have as prophetic an imagination as you looking into generic blotches of gray paint. 98.212.142.16 16:52, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

You know, considering they made the statement that they had a profession in good state almost 2 weeks ago and they still haven't revealed it really gives a really good idea just how hard it is to get a "finished" profession out in the spotlight. There's also been a sizeable drop in profession reveal "speculations". Any comments on this? 68.144.77.185 23:04, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

See the notice at the top of this page. This page is for deciding how to document the profession reveal, not to speculate on the profession reveals. There are any number of forums suited to that purpose exactly, and adding it here gets the actual discussion lost in between repeated (and, often times, redundant) walls of arguments over which profession will be released next.

Hope I've explained it well enough. It's just clutter here, and needs to stay at a reasonable level, which this page has proven we can only accomplish sometimes by blocking it off completely. (See the archives of this talk page.) --ஸ Kyoshi 06:58, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

should this topic be moved?

While I know you mean well Rose... The Note above at the top of this page says, "If you would like to speculate upon or otherwise discuss upcoming profession reveals, there are several forums more suited to this purpose." Please, I'd like to suggest that you'd take this to your user page, please? As "This is a page for discussing revisions to Professions reveal" and not speculations... 72.148.31.114 22:07, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I asked for a revision to add the quote to the article, because I'm not sure how to go about it, this isn't a particularly common type of article. I also asked if anyone has seen any other information in the myriad of obscure forums and sites, like the example I provided, that is worthy to add to the article, which may or may prove or disprove what people expect to come out next. For example, in a random discussion page, it was revealed that the next hero in GW Beyond is not an assassin nor a ranger, in a response to a long player discussion about who Miku was. Thus there might be a little tidbit like that about the coming reveals somewhere, too, and it would be an awesome addition to this article if it was found and posted here. If that's not what this page is for, then I misunderstand.

Feel free to move anything you think doesn't belong. This is one of the topics that's really hard to discuss without touching any kind of "guessing" or "speculation" or whatever you wanna call it. I really hope it doesn't turn into the monster-sized topic above, because often times the "offending" post is much smaller than the shouting match that follows, and might not be quite as offending as it is perceived to be. P.S. I took the liberty to add a sub-header. Rose Of Kali 22:41, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

The quote should be added, and the section should be in the user space somewhere. Nobody would probably mention the latter if this page weren't so common a target for speculation wars, but it's best to not let it gather steam. --ஸ Kyoshi 23:24, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

"Assassin" Clip

← moved to User talk:Ivokk

Probable Profession

One of the professions might be Chirurgeon, due to the fact that it is mentioned in the book (Edge of Destiny) like thirty times. [[User:Ocarinamaster 17:05, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

yea a Chirurgeon! (???) if no dedicated healing class (chirurgeon heals?) --The Holy Dragons 22:13, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

At least it'd solve the "How does my arm re-attach itself after a Deep Wound duration expires?" puzzle. - Infinite - talk 22:21, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

There are infinite possibilities for that :O not just Chirurgeon's! and a whole Surgery on the battle-field? --The Holy Dragons 22:45, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

What the ....heck is a chirurugon?

• sigh* AFAIK a kind of specialized Doctor who does Surgery's :P --The Holy Dragons 11:08, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

"Chirurgeon" is an archaic version of the modern "surgeon". For the same reason that "farmer" is unlikely to be a profession, I think we can discount this. Also, speculation has a better place than here. ~Ekko (talk) 23:57, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Surgeon=chirurg in my language, never knew where it came from. Sounds weird as hell in English, though. /agree with Ekko. Rose Of Kali 06:33, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

I expect the renamed profession to be a monk, after all, you wouldn't have a charr or norn calling themselves monks Sklv55 22:27, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) For the one millionth time, @ everyone: no speculation please, speculation goes in userspaces @ Sklv55: there are no monks or dedicated healing professions. Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 23:16, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

They said there would be a reveal in January months ago

It's LATE JANUARY.

I bet every single person that reads this 5k that they'll release the profession at 11:59 PM on January 31st.

I'm going to be a very rich man. 71.194.87.164 18:43, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

And what about that ("11:59 PM on January 31st") is *not* a reveal in January? - Infinite - talk 18:45, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Well. This year January has 31 days. It isn't 12:00 so it can't be February 1st.

It's January, bro. 71.194.87.164 18:51, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I am well aware that is January, but how is a reveal at that moment in time not living up to ArenaNet's words is my question? Less QQ please.- Infinite - talk 18:53, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Nobody ever said it was this January. Dun dun dun. Exia 19:12, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Patience kids, school is almost out.. -- Cyan 19:24, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Arenanet said that a new reveal would be posted in the upcoming month, in late December, then farther down the page said that the reveal could take place from the 1st-31st, I predicted on the day of the reveal that it would be revealed on the 26th, so far it seems that I will be right. - Giant Nuker 21:09, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I called that it would be either the 25th or 26th, partially in sarcasm, but oh well. Eive 22:19, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Kiddies, they said sometime in Jan. That could be early or even the last day. Give them a chance to profect the profession because obviously, it has had some major issues which delayed it's initial intended release. - Lucian Shadowborn 23:24, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Was it delayed? As in, did they say they would have announced it earlier and then take it back? I don't really remember that. I'm also not sure the profession itself had any issue, or if ArenaNet didn't reveal the profession sooner because they lost their webmaster. Erasculio 23:39, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

The first mention of the upcoming release was in November when they said they had one that was complete and they were working on the press and release part of it. Nothing says the release was intended any earlier.

Also, this section is useless. The hell do you people think that notice up there means? --ஸ Kyoshi 00:08, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

To speculate so we can fill up the Misplaced Discussions archive? /sarcasm Eive 00:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Then move it so this won't have additional input on it. Problem solved. :) - Lucian Shadowborn 1:56, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Your wish is my command. ~Ekko (talk) 02:25, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Professions picture

Hi guys, I have found a picture on the net and I was wondering how you felt about it! This is the picture: http://ecbiz55.inmotionhosting.com/~jonath21/classes.jpg

plz sign using four tidles ~~~~ and that's a nice pic. but I don't think it's real. (though you would think otherwise ;) ) --The Holy Dragons 18:37, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

It is fan made Reaper of Scythes** 18:37, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

But it looks SO real! Detom10 18:41, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

nah it doesn't really fit the picture (though it's awesome art) --The Holy Dragons 18:43, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I can confirm this is a fake. It was posted on Guru and was confirmed to be fake. (The style is off, as well.) - Infinite - talk 18:48, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

It's not really fair to call it fake, that makes it sound like the artist was attempting to fool somebody. My understanding was that it was just his 'prediction' in artistic form. It is unofficial of course. Exia 21:22, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

It's not fair to imply I was being degenetory towards the artist; I wasn't. It's fake in the sense it's not real. - Infinite - talk 21:41, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

You're simply wrong in the usage then. Fake implies deceit. I read it in a book. And this wasn't made with the purpose of deceit. Exia 22:57, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Fake: Wikipedia -> a term used to describe or imply that something is not real or that it is false; dictionary.com -> to pretend or simulate, to conceal the defects or make more attractive (usually in order to deceive); Merriam-Webster.com -> not true or real; All Mighty Google.ca -> not authentic or genuine (unofficial). Take your pick. In this case, I think Infinite's usage was correct in that he was referencing that the picture is a fake, not an official picture, something created to look like it is the original (official) version but it is not. 136.159.70.20 23:38, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I hope one day people use less time discussing about the minutiae of a word's meaning and more time helping to improve the wiki. Erasculio 23:45, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

A day may come when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship. But it is not this day. 136.159.70.20 23:45, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank the Gods. I'd be cut off from the cookie rotation. Zolann The Irreverent 23:58, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Dude... what? --71.193.30.176 00:26, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I think it's a cool picture and I know it isn't real, whether that was the intent or not. :)--Ph03n1x 00:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

While I appreciate the artistic effort required, the added images look nothing like anything else we've seen for GW2. Nice conceptually though. Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 00:33, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I'm going to miss this :( The useless banter between individuals on the wiki. /sigh I'll miss you guys!!! ='( 66.245.132.31 15:39, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Useless banter is fine on user pages. On pages like here it becomes clutter that makes it hard to find useful discussion and can't be archived without force because people keep posting more useless banter. Just take it somewhere else. --ஸ Kyoshi 02:15, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Rawr

I swear if they make us wait any longer ima die D:!--Icyyy Blue 12:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Well if we cant believe their words it should be within a week and a half, because then it will be february. Altough it won't supprise me if it would be revealed in february tough. Damysticreaper 12:38, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

YAYYY!!! Just 6 more DAYS!!!! AHHH!! Gregory The Avenger | Talk 03:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I've said things like this previously and I'll say this again in the future I'm sure: this page is not for discussing speculation, this page is for the discussing of improving the main space page its linked to, the "Professions reveal" page. Speculation goes in userspace, not here. I'm archiving this discussion, and any others like it upon notice; they don't belong here. Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 04:23, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Piece of info

Apparently the renamed profession is going to be the Assassin. According to 3 arguments plus the nearly confirm of the mesmer class: "At least one returning, at least one renamed and at least one new" and "the guardian is the first new profession, but not the last one" and "a profession for players who like to play sneaky and stealth", one can link every point and have it, the last adventurer is supposed to be something completly new (matching the "not the last new profession"), and the mesmer if finally released wold match the "returning profession", that leaves the assassin-like with a new name(they even mentioned that was for players who liked assassin, wich could imply that it isn't named assassin). Lokheit 14:10, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Can you guys read? Stop speculating, thanks! -Auron 15:53, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

That was kinda rude...if u dont wanna see th speculations stop lookin at this page...its never gunna stop!--Icyyy Blue 16:25, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

He's just saying that because this section completely disregarded the banner at the top. If he just ignored this page, then people would speculate more and more and more until it overflowed and affected the wiki (in numerous and exciting ways!). He could have been more polite, but then would you all have listened? Unless they come down like the Hammers of God (Wisdom?), most people just ignore the mods. 136.159.72.4 16:57, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

PAX 2011

It has been said on the blog that they will be showing a lot of new content during the PAX demo, maybe they are doing a "necro" here and will reveal the 6th profession during PAX? It starts showing on March 11, more or less the amount of time they used to have between professions when they revealed the first 4. Lokheit 10:36, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't hold your breath. I expect something awesome and new.... But another profession? Eive 10:40, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

5 is an odd number, I wouldn't be surprised that *if* there's a playable demo (haven't checked yet), that there would be no Guardian OR a 6th profession. Game designers prefer even numbers, for some reason. - Infinite - talk 11:11, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Confirmed new demo for Pax East.[15] Would be surprised if their wasn't Guardian and the lack of info on it still leaves the possibility of another profession. :) 64.188.215.157 12:18, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Start speculation here...--91.176.113.228 14:07, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I bet the rest of the races will be playable at PAX 2011, dont you think? Detom10 14:09, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Stop speculation here. Take it to the user space. --ஸ Kyoshi 14:23, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Thief, Mesmer, aaaaaaaaand?

Well we now have the thief coming out and the mesmer will probably be one of the next one (Not backed up from official info but it's kinda obvious from the suggestions in the books, and the pink fan lady pic)So my question is what will the other proffesion be? It's supposed to be a new one no? I ask for your expectations for the other proffesion.-- Kew24 01:08, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

"Note: This is a page for discussing revisions to Professions reveal. If you would like to speculate upon or otherwise discuss upcoming profession reveals, there are several forums more suited to this purpose." - Infinite - talk 01:32, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

"The only possible candidates for the returning GW profession are mesmer, ritualist, and dervish" We forgetting the assassin here or..?? 89.243.37.28 02:44, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Thief. - Infinite - talk 02:56, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

The Last Adventurer

This is the 'Professions Reveal' page, why not discuss potentials here??? I have been waiting to post this for awhile so since some asked, here goes. This is purely my own working theory based on information available so feel free to disagree... First, there is a lot of artwork, storyline, gameplay information involving aquatic/sea/ocean/sailing themes. Underwater exploration we all know is going to be a significant part of adventuring. In the trailers and lore we see Zhaitan rising, wreaking ships and raising minions from the sea. The Edge of Destiny character Magnus the Bloody Handed is also referenced to in a profession sort of way(I'm leaving it at that for those who haven't read the book yet). There are many, many small pieces that contribute to this picture. Second, sometime during discussion there was commentary stating there would be a profession which uses guns but not bows. Since we now know the Thief wields a shortbow it leaves this slot open. Third, on the artwork line but I saw a slide from one of the GDC's(I can't find it now, if any has a link please post it)depicting a male and female Norn in some leather strappy type armor. It was labeled 'Nornpirate' These things lead me to believe the last adventurer profession is going to be a marine type profession maybe called a Pirate, Sailor or Mariner. What does everyone else think? --Cael 03:14, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Read note at the top of this page. This is to discuss changes to the article itself, not to discuss potential situations. Sorry man, it's just not the place. If you want, you can move it to your userpage to generate discussion there. (Xu Davella 03:29, 6 March 2011 (UTC))

Wow, really??? Are you, Xu, and Infinite the discussion police? According to that logic the only thing people could talk about on any page is formatting. Get over yourselves let people talk. --99.72.195.220 03:38, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry man, didn't mean to offend you. I'll just go ahead and move this to misplaced discussions so you guys can continue. (Xu Davella 03:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC))

returning profession, similar name, vs new

On October 9, 2010, it was announced that, of the four professions then-unrevealed, at least one was a returning profession, at least one was similar with a different name, and at least one was new. The guardian, revealed later, was confirmed to be a new profession, but it was said that there will be at least one more new profession[11].

If the above two quotes holds true, I am going to assume thief is "similar with a different name" to the assassin. That leaves a returning profession and a new one. --72.229.231.53 08:18, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

That's exactly what the article says in the "Upcoming reveals" section. Chriskang 13:53, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Dervish

I might not be the only one that has noticed this but guild wars just got the complete derv re vamp and take note of the dulled out picture of the class 2nd from the left looks a bit like a dervish if anyone would care to agree? Maybe this is one of the reasons behind the update of the derv? This is all speculation of course, just seems to big of coincidence to me. Personally I'd love the derv to be in the second game as the derv is probably my favourite class next to the monk. Let me know what you all think :) [[User:Ultrametroid|Ultrametroid] 23:54, 7 March (GMT)

Isn't this page an archive? Why so much current discussion? – NuclearDuckie 07:44, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Discussions don't *start* here, they just get moved here from other places when it's noticed that people are just speculating where they shouldn't be. Thrade 08:12, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Mesmer and last adv.

I think that the mesmer will most likely to be in gw2 because it doesn't seem like necros have any punishment, deep hexes, or anything like hindering opponents in battle, but necros are more like focused-minion-masters and doing stuff with wells, healing (blood/stealing) and death shroud. So since each profession has a "Master of *blah blah* the mesmer may be like.. Master of Illusion, or Master of Retribution something that exemplifies a "punishment" character.

And then the last adventurer, i think, will be a.. hmmm.. mabye a (yeah this sounds kinda stupid) but a Master of Demolitions or Master of Machinery(Engineer). Aoe, condition dealer.. uses pistols, rifles, bows, torches, warhorns, axes.. The profession could build machines, kinda like spirits in gw1, and (i dunno) make a machine to amplify the power of environmental weapons. Meh, this is probably not gunna happen.. but it was worth a shot :) thanks!

7th June reference

I have a feeling that ArenaNet is going to reveal the not-mesmer profession. Just to play mind games with us, see? --Riddle 06:10, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

• sigh* I'll start making some "omg why didn't you release the mesmer profession" banners and store them in my closet, along with my high hopes and grenades. --Xu Davella 06:42, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

That would be awfully mean. Anet's such a tease.--Ph03n1x 14:23, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Big thing happening 19th of may, possibly profession reveal? http://guildwars.incgamers.com/blog/comments/guild-wars-2-interview-part-2 P.s. man I had to edit this two times haha Tollie00 15:10, 15 May 2011 (UTC) 15:09, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

← moved to User talk:Dan Dan Teddy Bearz

Unnecessary move: -1 Teddy Dan 22:31, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I'd actually prefer the non-Mesmer reveal first, because I actually want to see what the new concept will be rather than revealing an old profession I have no interest in anyway. I'm not so proud as to beg for confirmation just to feed my ego (considering I never speculated on the wholly uninteresting Mesmer debate, anyway). Rather, I'm bored enough that I actually want to see something new and thought-provoking, for a change. Especially after the "new" Paritualgon(/Guardian) and Assassin(/Thief). I'd also like certain information to actually finally be made completely available, like biographies and skills for the already confirmed races and professions. This mesmer nonsense isn't even on my radar. Teddy Dan 17:27, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

And I'd rather they announced Mesmer.

Why waste a reveal on something completely unoriginal? Just to shove it in someone's face? To feel good about yourself because you "guessed" right? If it's truly as obvious as everyone claims it to be, why bother with a reveal that could have actually shown us something we haven't already exhausted all of our potential plans for? In fact, if you're so dead set on having your brief and feeble moment of pride over the obvious, then Anet should save it for last just to make it that much more rewarding for you. Also, you forgot to sign your comment. Teddy Dan 20:30, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) "This is a page for discussing revisions to Professions reveal. If you would like to speculate upon or otherwise discuss upcoming profession reveals, there are several forums more suited to this purpose." At the very least, which profession you'd rather have revealed is a discussion for your talk page. - 02:19, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Then quite a bit of this section should be moved elsewhere (starting from Riddle's "I have a feeling that ArenaNet is going to reveal the not-mesmer profession." comment, at the very latest) , rather than cutting me off (or allowing it) out of spite. Teddy Dan 02:29, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

In fact, by that logic (which is supported by the tag at the top), most of this page should be moved elsewhere as it's mostly speculation and preference. Let's not single me out, again, okay? I'm getting pretty tired of it. Teddy Dan 02:35, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

OK then! :) How about we just breathe a little and take a break from this, ok? :) This really isn't worth anyone getting frustrated over, as it is such a minor thing and will all be settled in a few days, most likely. This really isn't the best place for speculation, as this discussion page's purpose is discussing its article, and not really much beyond that (though I suppose exceptions can be made depending on importance, but I reeeally don't think this qualifies). I know this page is already filled with speculation, but adding to it wont really make things better. If you'd like to discuss plausibility of the mesmer being revealed next, user talk pages are your best bet! :D Please and thank you! 98.23.23.167 02:36, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

(A note, that is addressed to everyone, I'm not pointing fingers. ^^ Thanks! ) 98.23.23.167 02:38, 16 May 2011 (UTC)