Template talk:Pact storyline

Clever split

I acctually didn't realize that the question the pale Tree asks determs what story do you play in this chapter. - Yandere 09:28, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

verification requested?

who and were is this person that is requesting if this is the out come I can verify that you get shell shock if you pick that dialog option.- Zesbeer 05:04, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Messed up template or messed up Story line?

While editing Striking Off the Chains (which I had finished recently, but before the feature patch) I have seen, that the footer is missing all the missions depending on your worst fear (from A Light in the Darkness). So either this template is messed up or ANet had changed their sequence of the Personal story in a radical way and wee need to put the proper footer template to that pages and adapt the predecessor and the successor accordingly. Balwin (talk) 18:09, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

ANet had changed their sequence of the Personal story in a radical way. :( — snograt 18:32, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

I think in addition to the restructuring of the personal story now the story jouirnal seems to be bugged. I have looked into the game and a) for none of my characters who have finished the story I have found these missions (from the greates fear) in the story journal b) the chharacter who has finished Striking Off the Chains and Wet Work prior to the update now has as the next active story mission Intercepting the Orb (according to the UI) as a level 70 mission and this is the correct next mission for that arc, even so anything of that is NOT showing in the story journal. So my conclusion is: These story arcs still exist and they are more or less at the same positition in the story line and the story journal is "just" bugged somehow. Does this coincide with other peoples experiences? Balwin (talk) 13:36, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

I have nothing constructive to add, other than to say the restructuring has confused the heck out of me. I've just taken my thirteenth character through the game and the sudden switches to mission order is jarring. There was a raft of three missions that just randomly start at the airship gangplank. My little drowny-buddy Tonn no longer exists, but he is still mentioned in dialogue somewhere. The sub-aqua butterfly woman is out of sync - the first time you meet her is now when she directs you to Trahearne prior to The Source of Orr, making her "introduction" in Temple of the Forgotten God ridiculous. There's actually no Orr exploration necessary until the last three episodes, making it a bit of a shocke to the system. I think it needs a bit of tweaking, to be honest. — snograt 13:52, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

This is definitely a big mess right now - I've just finished Against the Corruption (in Azabe Qabar) right after Blast from the Past and am getting level 70 rewards when the previous ones have already been level 80. The mission also states level 70 recommendation despite following on to a level 80 mission. I have yesterday and today played the story missions boldened below and can confirm they are still in the given order. Naturally, if they're copy and pasting story bits liket his, parts of the actual content won't make sense just like a sentence pasted in the wrong order... They've also lazily put the starting point to the airship in Fort Trinity rather than in front of the place where it happens. The storyline does make sense this way in terms of achievements like cleansing Orr and such, but it needs some rather important tweaks. - Y0_ich_halt 21:12, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Part VIII — Victory or Death
(The Battle of Fort Trinity directly followed by) Temple of the Forgotten God  → Through the Looking Glass / Close the Eye  → What the Eye Beholds  → Estate of Decay / Starving the Beast  → A Grisly Shipment / Ossuary of Unquiet Dead  → Further into Orr
Priory's Plan	Hunters and Prey  → Air Drop  → Blast from the Past
Whispers' Plan	Stealing Light  → Conscript the Dead Ships  → Ships of the Line
Vigil's Plan	Marching Orders  → Armor Guard  → The Steel Tide
→ Against the Corruption (lvl 70)  → Cathedral of Silence (lvl 70)  → The Source of Orr (lvl 70)  → Victory or Death (now active, lvl 80)

(Reset indent) I have some more information about the "biggest fear" part of thet story arc. Because I had done Striking Off the Chains and Wet Work before the September feature pach, I was able to access Intercepting the Orb, even so it was NOT showing in my story journal at all. NOW, after finally finishing that mission my story journal shows for "Forming the Pact" the following sequence: Forging the Pact -> Striking Off the Chains -> Wet Work -> Intercepting the Orb -> The Battle of Fort Trinity (now active). So I think, EITHER ANet has corrected their mess with the access to that part of the personal story with some stealth part of the updates after the feature patch, OR it is still bugged, but finishing that mission after the feature update shows at least the intended sequence in the journal. I will see, if I have access to the final "fear"-mission after the battle of Fort Trinity. So maybe the template should contain the "fear"-missions again. Balwin (talk) 21:01, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

The change to the Story Journal was the September 30 patch, I think. Basically, it shows the steps you had done on the character. E.g., whereas with the feature batch the Story Journal only showed the changed format, now if you had hit Forging the Pact prior to the update it'll show the original format (I'm not sure if the reorder of Chapter 8 steps is included if you only hit chapter 7; since the reorder included moving them to chapter 7, I'd imagine so).

The order itself has not changed for new characters or existing characters that hadn't reached Forging the Pact (which I am still sad and frustrated about, as I was hoping to complete the PS on my alts after hearing they were revamping PS rewards). Konig 04:40, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

After playing through the whole chain of "Making another suffer" and seeing that the story journal of my characters, who has finished the pact storyline, now has the part of their "biggest fear" correctly shown again, I'm certain that these parts of the storyline are playable (again). So I think we should incorporate these chains back into the template and show the three different paths of part 7 again. Any objections? Balwin (talk) 11:55, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

They are only playable for characters who already got to Forging the Pact before the September update. The story journal shows what the character did (mostly, there is an error where Temple of the Forgotten God is shown twice - once where it was experienced after Battle for Fort Trinity and once again at the very end). It has NOT been fixed yet. However, Gaile Grey posted a response from a narrative design lead (Leah Hoyer, I presume) that they are working on fixing it but since it'll take lots of resources there is no ETA on them. Player observation has seen Trahearne getting new voice oversight for his lines, some remaining the same sentences but spoken differently - less monotonous. So it seems to me that ANet is going the more annoying route of changing all the dialogue rather than putting it back to how it was. Konig 15:18, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Nav for after the update to restore sequence

seeing as we'll need it later I thought I would do it now.

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Pact storyline

I dunno how we'll abbreviate the greatest fear choice. (currently copied from here.) -Chieftain Alex 10:41, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

You forgot about the final Greatest Fear steps that happens post-The Battle of Fort Trinity, so I added them. I also moved Forging the Pact and The Battle of Fort Trinity into the three lines as that's how we had it originally, it's how we do The Battle for Claw Island and Retribution for {{Orders storyline}}, and it's just cleaner IMO.

As for abbreviations - how you have it is how we had it, but in that order internally it seems it's Innocent, Failure, and Suffer. But that's not very descriptive, so I say go with the slightly more descriptive three-words that we've gone with before, that you have up now. Konig 17:28, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

btw, if I was to stop in my current personal story position, before The Steel Tide, would I have to repeat "Against the Corruption" through to "The Source of Orr" again?.. I expect the answer is yes, and it is entirely theoretical b/c I'm going to storm through the Steel Tide later. -Chieftain Alex 20:48, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

As far as I understand it, yes. Going off of "If your character is currently playing “Against the Corruption,” “Cathedral of Silence,” “Romke’s Final Voyage,” or “The Source of Orr,” you must complete your story steps through the Source of Orr to begin chapter 8. If you do not complete “The Source of Orr” before the Personal Story restoration goes live, you will be advanced to “Victory or Death” upon completion of “The Source of Orr.” “Victory or Death” is the final Personal Story step (and you will miss out on most of chapter 8 with this character). This is due to these steps being moved back into chapter 8 and the successor steps being restored to their original state." this means that the style of the change that happened the first time (where if you were on Against the Corruption to The Source of Orr you would not repeat Temple of the Forgotten God, etc. despite being moved earlier) would not happen because if it were that style of change, you would be moved to the current set-up rather than the new one. Basically, whatever story step you're on is going to place you where that story step should be, and not where in the storyline you were prior to the update.

Again, that's just as I understand it. Konig 22:00, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

"dishonor my allies, not dishonored by allies"

Per Alex's last edit - it's the Commander being dishonored. "Dishonor my allies" means that the Commander is dishonoring his allies, not being dishonored himself. It was accurate before, as those who would view the Commander with disappointment/loss of respect/dishonor were the allies. This doesn't actually match the events that unfold, but that's what the fear is. Konig 19:04, 10 July 2015 (UTC)