Talk:Maguuma Jungle

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Isn't Ventaris little tree thing found in arbor bay, part of the tarnished coast not maguuma jungle?Alari 05:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Ventari has a tree in Ventari's Refuge too, but I think it died somewhere along the storyline. And that one rebloomed. But I fail at remembering Lore, so I may very well be off. --- -- (s)talkpage 15:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

The tree in Ventari's Refuge is a gargantuan stonewood tree, the one in this article is the tree the Sylvari come from which is in the Tarnished Coast. They are totally different, so it will need to be changed. Edit: I've changed it, i don't really edit pages but i hope its good enough :D. Ms Mina 16:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. Cress Arvein 04:54, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Map

Does the Maguuma Jungle still exist? In the new map (http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Map_of_Tyria.gif), the area is called "Maguuma Wastes", which I think is associated with a desert, right? (The word "Wastes", not the "Maguuma" part, obviously) The areas of the Sylvari and the Asura are not differentiated, they are both part of the "Tarnished Coast" (or at least it looks like it). --217.129.133.230 17:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I would be for moving this article to "Maguuma Wastes". But we may need more information first. --hnzdvn 17:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I came to this page because I noticed the map as well. So I guess a dragon destroyed the jungle? There's also "Ruins of Denravi." -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 18:16, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Or something stopped the Maguuma from flowing, I don't think there is any mention of a Dragon near the Maguuma. Perhaps the DSD tainted the waters, or maybe it was just an inevitable degeneration? --Odal talk 18:18, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Could be that the rapid expansion of the Asura caused the degeneration of the jungle? --Naoroji 18:20, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

That's why I mentioned the ruins. Usually, something dramatic happens for there to be ruins and a jungle turning into a wasteland (especially since this is a fantasy story). -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 18:21, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Well Denravi was always a secret hideout really, and with the Shining Blade taking control (of Kryta), maybe it fell into disrepair through neglection, rather than some Asuran accident. --Odal talk 18:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Plus the jungle has always had dry, barren lands. Maybe the "Wastes" are just the naming of these dry lands, rather than the desertification of the Jungle. --Riddle 18:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I think that the DSD tainted the river, causing desertification to happen a lot faster, I think they would've mentioned the jungle on the map if it was there. --Odal talk 18:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we should move it because of information on 1 map, plus that map leaves a ton of things out. Fantasy books usually only note locations that are important to the story of that book. We should wait and see if other information supports this. Themastermoo 20:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

It does leave a lot of towns/cities/outposts/interest points out, but it has - as any fantasy book map - the name of the areas/zones, among which there is no Maguuma Jungle. Plus, the map calls "Maguuma Wastes" to the place where the Maguuma Jungle was. It is possible that the Maguuma Jungle moved south, leaving a desert behind, but south of it are some mountains, a lake, and then the Tarnished Coast. And even if it moved south, there would be no reason not to name it, it is an important place. All the evidence indicates that, just as the Crystal Desert is now grassland, the Maguuma is now a desert. --217.129.133.230 20:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah that's a pretty good assumption, but its just that, an assumption. Its my knowledge that the wiki waits for hard fact (like waiting until the book comes out so everyone reads it and finds out if it says what happens to Maguuma) before changing names and moving things. I think we should wait a bit before moving and changing things. Themastermoo 20:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

A map does seem to be hard fact to me... --Odal talk 20:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Thats very true, but the Maguuma jungle might still be there, (The Asura and Sylvari have to live somewhere). So would it be better to create a Maguuma wastes page and edit the description to this one? Since we know the Maguuma waste is north of the Tarnished Coast. Themastermoo 20:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Rata Sum and the Grove are both on the Tarnished Coast, not in the Maguuma Wastes. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 02:49, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) We've seen references to "Maguuma Jungle" - if you look at the GW1 map, you see the jungle being both forests and arid areas. So what I think is the situation is that, seeing how the Tarnished Coast has been said to be a sub-region of the Maguuma Jungle, and that the asura and sylvari were put under "Maguuma Jungle" and not "Tarnished Coast" in the Art of Guild Wars 2, the Tarnished Coast and the Maguuma Wastes are 2 halves that make up the Maguuma Jungle. Similar to how the Northern Shiverpeaks, Southern Shiverpeaks, and the Far Shiverpeaks make up the whole of the Shiverpeak Mountains.
So yes, I'd have to say that the Maguuma Jungle still exists - after all, it hasn't changed (much) since GW1. At least in the "wastes" area. -- Konig/talk 03:16, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

It seems as though the northern part is no longer the Maguuma Jungle at all, and the Tarnished Coast is now the Maguuma Jungle (judging from pages like quaggan). This makes no sense, because they were entirely different jungles in GW1, with different plant, animal, and fungal life entirely. Not to mention, they're pretty much separated by mountains. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 03:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Uh, no. The Tarnished Coast was the coast of the Maguuma Jungle - it has been stated pretty clear before that the Tarnished Coast is a sub-region of the Maguuma Jungle, and in fact, the words "Maguuma Jungle" or just simply "Maguuma" have constantly replaced "Tarnished Coast" further supporting that, though when mentioning the Tarnished Coast, it was in reference only to the coast. And it is still like that. The Maguuma Wastes is the arid parts of what was, at least, called the Maguuma Jungle - such as gw1:Dry Top and gw1:Ettin's Back - perhaps even the gw1:Sage Lands, or at least part of it. -- Konig/talk 03:54, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Move

Do we have any reason as to why it wouldn't be renamed? Eive 02:20, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

As I mentioned in the previous section, the Art of Guild Wars 2 book calls the area Maguuma Jungle. Also, we got the asura and sylvari pages on the official website. There's probably more, like interviews and so forth. What do we have for "Maguuma Wastes"? One, little, map... Not to mention the page was moved without consensus. -- Konig/talk 03:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

How about we leave the page alone until the game comes out. Or is that too much to ask?--Emmisary 14:49, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

That's actually what I preferred, but someone went and randomly moved the page to a less used name which might not even be the same thing. -- Konig/talk 19:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Agree with Konig. --ஸ Kyoshi 21:29, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't really care either way honestly. Both names seem equally plausible. Eive 23:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Restarting discussion

"The northern parts of the Maguuma Jungle have dried out, creating the wastes (the southern regions, where the asura and sylvari have set up their nations, are considered part of the Tarnished Coast). This change has been attributed to the rise of the Elder Dragons, but that has not been confirmed, and there may be other nefarious agents at work." From Jeff Grubb, interviewed by Guild Mag in Issue 5. Tarnished Coast and Maguuma Wastes are two parts of the Maguuma Jungle (southern and northern respectively). I think this is all the proof needed to move this page back to Maguuma Jungle and make a new page for Maguuma Wastes. -- Konig/talk 20:41, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Your other ancient magics.

Show me them.

But seriously, where did we hear about this?--Ph03n1x 22:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Art of GW2 book. Konig/talk 04:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Mount Maelstrom

Why is Mount Maelstrom listed as part of the Maguuma Jungle? That can't be correct, can it? Maar Ten 13:05, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

The same goes for Sparkfly Fen, since when is that Maguuma? Maar Ten 13:06, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

If one were to go to the Notes section of those individual pages, you'd note that it states that they count for the Maguuma Explorer achievement. Mechanically - which is what we document foremost in this case - they're in the Maguuma. Konig/talk 14:56, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I understand that it's important to list the locations required for the achievement, but it doesn't seem logical to do that in an article named "Maguuma Jungle". After all, those areas aren't actually part of the Maguuma Jungle. Or atleast a note on this page too. Maar Ten 20:28, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Yeah it's pretty weird, especially because Sparkfly Fen / Mount Maelstrom are not even connected to the rest of Maguuma Jungle, the Sea of Sorrows is between them... --Landon144 22:38, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

it seems that technically the tarnished coast has merged with maguuma jungle in respect to locations and sparkfly fen is the same place as sparkfly swamp in gw1 and that was tarnished coast, mount maelstrom is just an addon to my knowledge  :)Spark-TBa 15:10, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, technically the Tarnished Coast was always just a sub-region of the Maguuma Jungle (literally being the Maguuma Jungle's coast - so there was no merge). Sparkfly (in both games), Verdant Cascades (in GW1) and Mount Maelstrom (in GW2) being part of the TC-related region mechanically is likely just to keep the number of zones-per-region equal(ish) to other regions. Konig/talk 15:29, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

With the new daily achievement (Maguuman Veteran Killer), it is shown that Caledon Forest, Metrica Province, Brisban Wildlands, Sparkfly Fen and Mount Maelstrom are officially considered part of the Maguuma Jungle. I say we keep our listing of explorable zones in Maguuma Jungle as is. 82.74.244.51 01:13, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Explorer Achievement

OK, I was stuck at 163 of 167 on the explorer ap. I successfully figured out 3 of the 4 spots I was missing, and added a comment to what they are to the main page, to help others who may be stuck. I can't figure out what the final missing part is. Does the Proxemics Lab (Guild Puzzle) or the CoE Dungeon count for the explorer AP? Those appear to be the only remaining places I haven't got on my map. Anyone else know of anyplace really out of the way with nothing to cause you to go there?

Have you tried Calx's Hideout (Metrica Province)? It's one I missed for quite some time. - 184.175.47.103 16:11, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Magmatic Conjury was one that eluded me for quite some time. The area's small and the unexplored painterly appearance blends in well enough for it to be overlooked easily. That, Calx's Hideout, and Aurora's Remains are the only ones that are really hard to note - all other out-of-the-way areas are jumping puzzles. Konig 22:42, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Yep, got those on the map. I went through the various subsections of the jungle and looked at anything that did not have anything "in it" -- i.e., a POI, Skill Pt, Heart, or WP, and checked to see that all of them are there. That's how I found three of the four missing (Aurora's Remains was one of them, along with two of them in Mount Maelstrom) but I can't find anything else that I haven't been to that doesn't show up on the map except for the guild puzzle up in the top left of Brisban, and the Dungeon in Mt Maelstrom. I guess I'll have to try the dungeon, as I hope they didn't make a guild puzzle someplace you had to get into.

Bastards. It was the Proxemics Lab in Brisban, which you don't have to go into but only get if you run right up against the blocking "object" and slide along it to the left edge of it.

hard to find/missed area

Ive added Golemagical institue as a commomonly missed area, as you need to walk through a portal to find it,i personally had to spend a hour or so comparing my maps to the wiki to find it.

The Maguuma Jungle region does not exist

This region does not exist, neither ingame nor in the API. The correct region, which appears both ingame and through the API, is the Tarnished Coast. This applies for all zones under Maguuma Jungle, though there's an anomaly where the areas and landmarks from Sparkfly Fen, Mount Maelstrom, Crucible of Eternity, and Labyrinthine Cliffs are sometimes labelled under Steamspur Mountains instead.--Lon-ami (talk) 16:35, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

I believe the article makes that sufficiently clear. Exactly what changes do you want to see by "splitting" this article into other articles that already exist? - Felix Omni 16:49, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

This article should be a disambiguation page at most, and the zones should be "within" the Tarnished Coast region instead. Most of the information here should be moved to Tarnished Coast. Multiple references across the wiki would need to be updated as well.

The only mentions of Maguuma Jungle ingame are 2012 achievements, which are notorious for using outdated references.--Lon-ami (talk) 17:22, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

API is notorious for using lore regions that do not mechanically exist within the game, such as Tarnished Coast and Steamspur Mountains. These regions do not exist ingame but for their name on the world map. ~Sime 17:26, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

I think a huge problem here though is what is perceived as a region by the player base. Virtually *anyone* in game talks about these maps as the maguuma jungle. That's how they were presented by the devs way back at the start and it stuck. I can't imagine players searching for maguuma jungle and then getting a page that says "yeah this isn't a thing, you may want X or Y".

Maguuma Jungle deserves at the absolute least a page describing what it is in the views of a majority of the player base. I have honestly never seen anyone talk about these maps by saying "tarnished coast" or whatever, it's always maguuma jungle.

Creating a divide in the pages here would only lead to confusion imo; and the very first paragraph already explains that this isn't a "regular" region.

I however could see a sound argument to add more details about *why* this region is not a regular region and the details included in this. -Darqam 17:42, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Waypoint Unlock Box says otherwise, Darqam. ~Sime 17:50, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

@Sime: So the one with the name in the map and the API does not exist, but the one which is nowhere to be seen does? The API takes information straight out of the game, so I wouldn't say it's incorrect.

My take is that, originally, there were two regions: Maguuma Jungle and Steamspur Mountains. For some reason ArenaNet decided to merge them, renaming Maguuma Jungle to Tarnished Coast and replacing most of the references to Steamspur Mountains with Tarnished Coast. I say most because they forgot some of them, the ones tied to landmarks and areas.

Considering 2012 achievements still use harpoon and speargun instead of spear and harpoon gun, which were already renamed by the first beta weekend event, I would say Maguuma Jungle is the wrong one.

If you look at modern achievements, suprise, surprise: Skyscale Rider: Tarnished Coast.

@Darqam: The easiest solution is to redirect Maguuma Jungle to Tarnished Coast, then add a disclaimer it was renamed at some point in development.

Some solid proof would be nice, but you'd have to either find alpha maps or scour the dat file for proof.

@Sime: The Waypoint Unlock Box uses unofficial names for all the other regions, and they don't even include the right zones, so I wouldn't trust that one.--Lon-ami (talk) 17:55, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Following up from the above, specifically the Maguuma Jungle Waypoint Unlock, which is from 2017. Additionally if I hear anyone mention Tarnished Coast it’s usually the server and World versus World stuff, I’ve never heard anyone refer to it as a region, so I’m against splitting. It would cause far more harm to be technically correct here. - Do_odleplex 18:00, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Our current system of area-specific dailies didn't even exist until 2014, so suggesting the Maguuma Jungle is only referenced in 2012 content is incorrect. Given that it still has wide and current usage in the game, turning this article into a disambig or redirect would be inappropriate and not useful to players. - Felix Omni 19:40, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

@Doodleplex: No offense, but read the description from the waypoint unlock: "Using this item will allow you to unlock all the waypoints in the Maguuma Region. (Brisban Wildlands, Caledon Forest, Dry Top, Metrica Province, and The Silverwastes)". Only 3/5 of those zones are part of the mechanical region, and it's missing other 2.

If you look at the other waypoint unlockers, not only do they have different names (Ascalonian Grassland, Krytan Valley, and Orrian Shoreline are wrong) but they also have a few inconsistencies as well (only Shiverpeak Mountains and Ascalonian Grassland include the correct zones).

So yeah, that item means nothing; or in any case, it just proves my point further.

As for community references, I've never seen anyone use region names ingame for anything at all, but maybe that's just me. Still, you have to wonder to what point the wiki being wrong for 10+ years is to blame for that.

My proposal: Rewrite the Tarnished Coast article into this complete version, and leave this page as a redirect (no point at duplicate information). That should prevent any possible confusion from veteran players using the old name to look for the region.

@Felix Omni: Well, even if we let this page survive, at least you'll agree zone pages should be within the correct region, which is "Tarnished Coast, id=5". Maguuma Jungle is just a player invention.

Kinda unrelated, but check the Talk:Raid#Raid information accessibility discussion as well, since I'm advocating for player-friendly article names there (for example, Twin Largos over Defeat the twin largos, Prison Camp over Protect the caged prisoners, etc).--Lon-ami (talk) 20:25, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

(Reset indent) The maguuma Jungle does exist it exists in the daily achievements, it exists in the Explorer achievement, it exists in the lore, it exists in basically everything visual in regards to the Tarnished Coast and Steamspur Mountains. It is, in fact, the Tarnished Coast and Steamspur Mountains that do not exist - in the eyes of players - outside of lore. Do not get so caught up in the API and dev experience that you ignore the UI and user experience itself. 173.188.206.52 21:46, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

EDIT: Addendum: I feel that by Lon-ami's argument, we should remove Elona as well as smaller articles such as Blood Legion Homelands, Far Shiverpeaks, Dajkah, etc. As these regions "do not exist" in the API. They are Crystal Desert, Ascalon, and Shiverpeak Mountains. However, that is only looking from the developer perspective. I would highly recommend against becoming so tunnel visioned in attempting to see as devs do, that you fail to see as users do. This is a fatal flaw development of any program or product. If we follow purely the API, which >85% of the playerbase never look at, then we'll just have your random joe smoe popping in and re-adding stuff that is purely from the user experience. The wiki has, in large, attempted to balance the two. Why are editors now undoing all of that work on both wikis? 173.188.206.52 22:37, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Those are lore locations, not REGIONS. Even then, the Maguuma Jungle from GW1 was divided into the Maguuma Wastes and the Heart of Maguuma, so yeah, you could argue the lore location doesn't exist anymore; but that's not the debate here, if you want to turn this page into a lore location, fine with me, I only want to classify the zones under the correct mechanical region: The Tarnished Coast, id=5.--Lon-ami (talk) 23:17, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

There's very little distinction between "region" and "region" to 98% of the playerbase. As it stands, "Steamspur Mountains" is a "lore location" too, as all visual references to it is only existent on the world map and maybe some obscure dialogue somewhere, and this has been the case since the first BWE. At no point, without restriction of NDA to say otherwise, has Tarnished Coast and Steamspur Mountain ever been visually present in the game besides lore. So I repeat: "Do not get so caught up in the API and dev experience that you ignore the UI and user experience itself." 173.188.206.52 23:46, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

I think this is an important point. The wiki exists to document the game; the game is our primary source of truth. The game says the Maguuma Jungle exists, and so we document it as such. The API does not supersede the game. - Felix Omni 03:09, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

You keep repeating the game says the Maguuma Jungle exists, yet when I open the world map, it's nowhere to be seen. Meanwhile, Tarnished Coast is there, both at the world map and the API, which no matter the persistence of some people, has never been wrong; if the API is wrong, the game is too, that's the point of an API in the first place.

"Maguuma Jungle" is only referenced through years-old achievements, which have the potential to be wrong (more likely, just outdated, from before the region was renamed). Meanwhile, modern achievements such as Skyscale Rider: Tarnished Coast don't make that mistake.

Don't even get me started on how these zones being part of the Maguuma Jungle in lore doesn't make any sense to begin with. Compare GW2's map to GW1's (where the Maguuma Jungle is its own mechanical region) and you'll find out all of the GW2 zones are part of other regions, either Kryta, Southern Shiverpeaks, or the Tarnished Coast. Only a small corner in southwestern Brisban Wildlands matches the boundaries of the original GW1 Maguuma Jungle.

You want to keep this page around, keep it as a lore location, not as a mechanical region.--Lon-ami (talk) 18:24, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

As a professional software engineer I can assure you that a product is more than just the sum total of the data it receives. Somewhere in the game's code, it takes the data for Tarnished Coast and Steamspur Mountains and combines them into a contiguous region for the purpose of game mechanics (and regardless of when they were introduced, mechanics are still current until and unless they're altered or removed). So I'd like to know how exactly you can define "mechanical region" in such a way that it excludes the Maguuma Jungle. - Felix Omni 19:45, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

As a fellow software engineer who also happens to know how the .dat is structured and has datamined a few times myself, I can tell you that doesn't make any damn sense. Somewhere in the code it merges what? Contiguous region? Why are you talking about regions as if they were physical boxes? Ever worked with keys in databases? They're just numeric ids, they're not inside anywhere. Regions don't have "boundaries" in the world map, they only have a label, which could be placed anywhere for all we care, that wouldn't change a thing. I mean, look no further than the Crystal Desert region for a clear example of that.

A region is just "numeric id (the key), name, rules (endpoint for properties defined in another table)". Each map has a "region" property where you can assign said map to a parent region (you don't need to, some maps aren't linked to any region), making it inherit the ruleset. That's how maps inside the Player vs. Player region make you follow the PvP rules, and that's why maps inside the Fractals of the Mists region display accountwide buffs that aren't shown anywhere else. It's just an useful way to apply rules to multiple maps at once, instead of duplicating information.

What you see in the world map are labels, linking to the same strings used for the region names. Obviously, some of those region names aren't used for any actual regions; or they're just empty and have nothing assigned to them aside from the name. The world map doesn't define the data, it represents it. It's just a pretty image displaying textures and icons. A zone being near a label means nothing, zones aren't connected to regions based on what you see in the world map; that's why Grothmar Valley is part of Ascalon, even if it's next to the Blood Legion Homelands region label; there's no merging continuous regions or nonsense like that. When you get a "daily Ascalon" achievement, it applies for every map inside the Ascalon region (in this case, maps with region id=2; position of zone map in the world map is independent from the region id, they're not connected).

The API is the game's data, period. It's not an interpretation, it's the raw data from the game. What you see in the API, is what is in the game.

What I would like to know is what kind of proof do you have to state that the Maguuma Jungle is an actual region inside Guild Wars 2, aside from achievement descriptors written verbatim, which most of the time don't even call the other regions by their complete names. I mean, achievements call that region in the center "Orr" all the time, instead of "Ruins of Orr", which is the actual region name.

Anyway, a quick google search shows these four things, pretty interesting:

• Interview with Jeff Grubb: "GuildMag: On the Ghosts of Ascalon map, the Maguuma Jungle seems to be called the Maguuma Wastes. Is it no longer called the Maguuma Jungle or is it just the top, dry portions seen in GW1 that are now called Maguuma Wastes? Jeff Grubb: The northern parts of the Maguuma Jungle have dried out, creating the wastes (the southern regions, where the asura and sylvari have set up their nations, are considered part of the Tarnished Coast). This change has been attributed to the rise of the Elder Dragons, but that has not been confirmed, and there may be other nefarious agents at work.".
• File:Tyria map (novel).jpg - map from the novels, no mentions of Maguuma Jungle.
• Asura race in the official page, no mention of Maguuma Jungle, multiple mentions of Tarnished Coast.
• Sylvari race in the official page, no mention of Maguuma Jungle, multiple mentions of Tarnished Coast.

Tarnished Coast has the map label, the API reference, and multiple mentions across the game. What else do you need?--Lon-ami (talk) 22:49, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

"What else do you need?" People using Tarnished Coast and Steamspur Mountains when talking about the things they mean. I think i know a lot about the game, yet if you told me i have daily in Steamspur Mountains, I'd have no idea where to go. API is only this useful when no one uses the name in reality. DJemba (talk) 23:03, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

"The world map doesn't define the data, it represents it." The world map is part of the game. We document the game. Players don't need to know about the internal implementation details; what they need to know is that, when in-game content refers to the Maguuma Jungle, these are the areas they mean. - Felix Omni 23:53, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@DJemba: Fair point, but it begs the question: Do we get to keep "user friendly" names for other articles as well? That leads me back to raid encounter names, which are in pretty much the same situation (looking for names on those is what led me to notice Tarnished Coast was the correct region in the first place). I don't mind accepting the exception and retiring the move request here, as long as the exception can be applied to raid encounters as well (same rules for every article).

@Felix Omni: So "The world map is part of the game. We document the game." Well, the world map shows Tarnished Coast instead of Maguuma Jungle. We're walking on circles here.--Lon-ami (talk) 00:48, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

(Reset indent) This discussion sounds like it's taking the sum of the game to be the API and the world map. But the lore goes well beyond the game; and to give an indication, Maguuma Jungle is mentioned far more than Steamspur Mountains in any dialogue. To the point where the latter is mentioned in dialogue just once. Literally. Once. Even Tarnished Coast has under 100 links on the wiki mainspace (most of which are not actual game mentions), far fewer than Maguuma Jungle even when discounting the "what region this is in" links. 173.188.206.52 16:25, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

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