User talk:Lon-ami

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PLEASE NOTE: I'm no longer an active user and I won't reply to any messages here. Use the links on my user page to contact me.

Account skins widget

Note that items need the related skin id to get properly grayed out. You can do this with:

id="skins-{{#show:{{{1}}}|?Has skin.Has game id#|+limit=1|default={{#show:{{{1}}}|?Has game id#|+limit=1}}}}"

The first #show goes to all skins, takes all skin ids and then limits it to one result (item case). If nothing was found then we can assume that it's a skin page and simply take its id.

Furthermore, multi-column tables with different items can set the id also to the table cell not only to the table row. --Tolkyria (talk) 22:09, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey, thanks! I was using this one, since I'm working directly with the skins:

id="skins-{{#show:{{{1}}}|?Has game id#}}"

Works pretty well on its own, the problem is there's a lot of item entries mixed in with everything (for trading post prices), and those are the ones giving problems. The whole thing is just a mess, and to make everything worse, it takes ages to load every time you refresh lmao.

Still, I don't plan to finish that project or anything, I'm just cleaning old pages to give them the proper burial, so to speak. I might change a thing or two here and there but I don't plan to continue with any of it (at least not in the current form). In fact, the only reason why I'm cleaning these 2+ years old pages in the first place is because I had people ask about them, specially the unimplemented skins section. I'll clean the pages a bit and leave something moderately useful for anyone checking them out, but that's it.

Ideally, the kind of tag system I'm using should be somehow integrated into the item infoboxes themselves, using properties and whatnot, but ain't got no time for that. It would be great if you could retrieve that extra juicy information (things like where/when it's found, skins it's upgraded to/from, etc) with #ask and #show instead of having to input it manually. The wiki could use some solid wardrobe unlock guide, and yes, there are better tools out there, but those don't get updated as much, and lack proper tagging most of the time.

Anyway, thanks for giving me an excuse to archive the talk page, one less thing to clean up =D.--Lon-ami (talk) 23:11, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

PvP maps table

← moved to Talk:Structured PvP#PvP maps table

Tower of Nightmares

← moved to Talk:Tower of Nightmares (disambiguation)

Documenting unimplemented content on the wiki

I'm not a fan of bringing bad news, especially after someone has worked so hard on a personal project. Unfortunately, neither of those preclude what I have to say.

Anet's intellectual property is theirs to release or not release. We've discussed unimplemented content at various times on this wiki, and created a project to help document it. Just going through those lists shows us the breadth of what we had and how much we chose to remove in order to not break the EULA, etc. Anet was aware of what we had and even helped us with the documenting. Understandably, not everyone was happy with the outcome, and against all the legalese, we let some items stay so long as they were off the main space. It now appears that was a regrettable conciliatory act on our part.

The licences for the wiki cover the entire wiki; they don't end on the main space. The User Agreement 2. (c), (f) and Rules of Conduct 14. prohibit us from releasing Anet's unreleased intellectual property. Any such content in your user space will have to be removed, and I would encourage you to look to the aforementioned project as the limit of what we can do.

Again, you have my apologies, as this issue should have been addressed more clearly and much sooner. Greener (talk) 04:13, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Everything I'm covering is present in the game in some way, shape, or form (skills, bundles, worn by NPCs, etc). I'm purposedly omitting things that don't appear anywhere in the game for those same reasons you mentioned, so there shouldn't be a problem there. This is no longer a datamining project if that's what you worry about; in fact, most of my new entries aren't "real" in the first place, I'm making them up based on personal perception, and you won't find them anywhere in the actual game files. The shirts are one such example.

If you pay attention, you'll notice there are no preview window screenshots for any of the new entries either, and I've also replaced some of the old ones. I'm only using ingame screenshots, renders, and concept art. There's nothing to worry about from a legal viewpoint, the page is called "unimplemented" but it's more like "stuff present in the game that players can't use".--Lon-ami (talk) 12:32, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Current changes

Can you please hold off making any further changes to either regions, locations, navs or categorisation. I can not really look into any of this till Tuesday. Some edits may be technically correct, but more than enough edits seem to overcomplicate the user experience of the wiki. —Kvothe (talk) 14:32, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

I've only been tagging stuff for moving for a while now, so nothing to worry about. Both Category:Tyria and Category:The Mists are clean.

There's a few zones that need updates on the within parameter, but I'm holding until the move requests are fulfilled or denied.--Lon-ami (talk) 14:42, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Kvothe requested that you stop making changes based on your interpretation of regions, which you have thoroughly disregarded. I am now telling you: stop making further such edits or you will be blocked. - Felix Omni 00:25, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Check my history, I reverted some move requests and moved that information to their own pages instead, restoring the original Structured PvP and World versus World pages back to their previous state. I haven't forgotten about Kvothe's request and I don't plan on reclassifying any of the already existing pages. If anything what I cleaned should make things easier for you, no point at keeping the tag when I don't want them moved anymore.--Lon-ami (talk) 00:37, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Given that you made this edit immediately after dismissing my concerns, I've blocked you for a short period. There's clearly a discussion to be had about the role the API should have in documenting the game, and I want you to be a part of that discussion, but you cannot continue to forge ahead with your overhaul in the meantime. - Felix Omni 01:40, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid it is beyond clear to me that the vision you have for the wiki does not align with everyone else's, and despite multiple attempts to request feedback, we seem to be creating a lot of nuisance work for each other. This is virtually identical to what was occurring before your previous 6 month ban. With this in mind I am extending the block duration to permanent. -Chieftain Alex 07:33, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

At the request of Lon-ami, in the name of an amicable parting, I have added notes regarding no longer being an active user to this page and their userpage. Hopefully all parties can be satisfied with this and move on. - Tanetris (talk) 00:43, 20 November 2020 (UTC)