User talk:Doodleplex/Archive 4

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Drop type

I've been removing those for a while. I like the distinction, but dislike the formatting. I hate semicolons in any formatting (although their usage in the locations has been growing on me), so I'm not a fan of using them in the drops section. An alternative would be either to use level 3 headers (they're super pretty), or tables, as a user once tried to do, since everybody likes tables! But yeah, I think it's worthy of a discussion. —Ventriloquist 20:02, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm sort of the opposite, I hattteee level 3 headers as they make table of contents appear on a NPC page that I wouldn't have to scroll down on on my phone, let alone my computer, meaning I have to add __NOTOC__ all the time(well okay that's mostly for story characters but I digress). Tables is an interesting idea though...but I'm not sure about how it would look(unless you were joking about that). - Doodleplex 20:09, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Doodle, you're breaking my heart with your level-3-headers-hate. As for the tables, no, I'm completely serious (aren't I always? *nervous laugh*). You can see a (revised) example of it here. I think it could work, and it is kinda visually appealing. I can't, however, remember the reason it was removed as a way of formatting, although I remember Ish contesting it. —Ventriloquist 22:26, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Cons: The first thing that comes to mind is for an anonymous user who has no idea how to work with tables, adding a simple drop wouldn't be easy for them. There's also the Legendary collection items, which only drop if you have certain parts active, and I suppose you could just add that in notes for the overall page, but the current set-up of "trophy item" - <small>'''only drops if X is active'''</small> works pretty nicely imo. Pros: Nice and clean way of giving lots of information(missing what level drops it though) that the current set-up lacks and would make things pretty consistent(ie something for Louise to go crazy copy pasting on all the pages). I'd say "lets ask others to see what they think" but it feels to me like the community doesn't seem to care much these days about the "how it should look" and is more of "let's just add stuff we found!". Not that the latter is a bad thing, but it leaves stuff like this unresolved so I'm not sure what to do from this point. - Doodleplex 22:41, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
The table could be expanded to allow for notes (if needed) and level ranges. However, I agree about it possibly being confusing for new users/anonymous ones. In this case, we stick with the simpler option, I suppose. —Ventriloquist 23:25, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Yeah unfortunate, cause the table looks really pretty. So how about this, a compromise of sorts: we break it up by type but use level 3 headers. Would that work for you? - Doodleplex 23:34, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
What about this? I'd say the code to add drops is easy enough for wiki contributors. The templates are still basic, though, and could be improved. —Nefastu 23:43, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Ooo I like the 2nd one, providing you can add in the collection part to it. Simple enough for anons to use I'd think, but gives all the info and looks nice. - Doodleplex 23:47, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
(Reset indent) {{Drops table header}} and {{Drops table row}} have been created. I've put some logic in as to when the creature level column should be shown (basically if there is more than a single level for a creature). —Nefastu 03:39, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
I love it! I'd make some small changes, such as changing item name>item, item type>type to avoid redundancy, but I'm very satisfied with the overall formatting. —Ventriloquist 23:22, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
It needs one small tweak as well, for items that can drop that are either rare or masterwork such as Charred Back Warmer. Otherwise I'm a happy clam...quaggan....skritt...flying squirrel? - Doodleplex 03:08, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

You should be asleep.

Go curl up with this. G R E E N E R 09:17, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Yessir! *Curls up with shiny movie* - Doodleplex 09:19, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
You can't tell her what to do, you're not her dad - Felix Omni 17:27, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
Are you talking back to me? Are you looking to be grounded too, mister? G R E E N E R 18:13, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Moving to archives

Hey, just a heads up, it's preferred to keep a redirect when moving to archives so the 'move' is recorded in the history (well, it does get recorded in the 'logs', but no one really checks those). —Ventriloquist

Ah, okay, will do going forward. Thanks for the info! - Doodleplex 01:06, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Grabbing the Settler's variants

Go to and type in "Settler's Soft Wood Torch" etc. You should get the ones offered by that merchant. If more are appearing, then change the parameters to narrow the group (e.g. level = 80). G R E E N E R 06:29, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Settler's Weapons Question

Pardon, this may be a stupid question, but like... instead of creating a new page for Settler's Steam Speargun, why not just add a new section to the bottom of Steam Speargun like we did with the Sentinel weapons? --Imry (talk) 09:09, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Because it's not loot, it's a merchant item. - Doodleplex 09:10, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
But, Steam Speargun also lists the karma version available from the Charr cultural weaponsmith? --Imry (talk) 09:16, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
I was the main reason they're currently on separate pages. Doodle asked for my input and a table for the Iron weapons was created (e.g. Settler's Iron Axe). We pondered putting them onto the Iron Axe page, but given its focus on crafting the table just didn't fit. I wanted to have a fresh look at things in the day.
Fortunately those tables are easy to copy/paste into a new home if needed, and that includes the Steam Speargun weapon groups. G R E E N E R 09:19, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Okay. Fair enough. Sorry for bugging you ^^ --Imry (talk) 09:29, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
<3 =) - Doodleplex 09:31, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Btw Doodle, my brain's off atm, but was there seriously a full set of steam weapons that the vendor sold on top of all those iron ones? You'd better not be thinking of doing them tonight. Hit them tomorrow, as Imry's probably right about their future location. G R E E N E R 09:36, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

(Reset indent) No, that was the only steam weapon. And nah, I'm done crazy creation for the evening, the rest of the stuff is on my to do page under html comments in "Code stuff" section if you want to poke at it tomorrow, it's all of the armor that guy sold. - Doodleplex 09:38, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Take a look at this version of the "Iron Axe (loot)" and let me know if it works for you. G R E E N E R 18:13, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
I like it, but I guess my biggest issue is the page is called Iron Axe (loot), and those aren't loot. It's not linked to that many pages, so it wouldn't be a hassle to move, I just don't know what to call it. - Doodleplex 18:45, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
We may have to look at the WvW vendor as well before making that change. It may turn out that creating a page called "Iron Axe (purchasable)" would cover both ; ) In all honesty, I don't see the item page to be of much use for general readers, but I do see it as important for the Southsun Economist page to work. G R E E N E R 18:54, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
I'm assuming you mean this guy? Because otherwise, the only WvW merchant missing content that I know of is Armor Master, and the WvW weapon merchant(well that I found) is Weapon Master (NPC) and all of his items got their own page. (edit) Also to note, the weapons sold by the Southsun guy are similar to WvW weapons sold by the Weapon master: "soulbound on acquire and cannot be salvaged or used in the Mystic Forge." - Doodleplex 19:10, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Yes, all those lovely folk. I was under the mistaken impression they also sold items with the basic iron skins. I was wrong. G R E E N E R 20:36, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
(oof this page is getting long, probably should archive after this convo is done) Yeah, I did try to poke around to see if any other merchants sold Iron Axes. As far as I know, the Southsun one is the only one that sells it for coin and not karma(ie not a renown heart vendor), and the two missing stuff above both sell armor and not weapons, so if that's the case the WvW merchants won't be helpful for weapons(though maybe for the armor the Southsun guys sells, of which I have no idea what to do with because of the weapon's current situation). - Doodleplex 20:51, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Let me know what you think of this edit and if you'd like it on other pages. Annoyingly, a fair number of those items aren't released on the API, so some sets I won't be able to do while offline. I should add, I left the spot for the costs to be put in, as I didn't know if they fully matched the price-points on Southsun Economist. G R E E N E R 06:42, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Works for me, especially since a vendor is already listed there(but uh, totally needs to be updated because those NPC got replaced heh). - Doodleplex 06:43, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

"I'm not one for lore, but there are some in Sparkfly Fen, so that wasn't the first encounter...? o.o"

You're confusing the Zintl Holy Grounds with the Zintl tribe. It's not a hard confusion to make, but the Zintl Holy Grounds are named after the hylek sun god rather than the tribe (unlike all other hylek grounds!) as that place is run by a multitude of tribes, not just one. And while one is red, that tribe is the Occuintl, not Zintl. And it seems the main tribe is the Bogotl, who are blue. Konig (talk) 18:24, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

So Zintl Cuintli isn't Zintl? - Doodleplex 18:29, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
I believe that one is named such because of being at the Zintl Holy Grounds, rather than being of the Zintl tribe. The Zintl tribe is red skinned. Hylek tribes are always monochromatic. (Edit: Exceptions only arise from very, very, very rare cross-tribe marriages such as seen with the one event NPC in Caledon Forest who is blue skinned but part of a green skinned tribe, because her mother was a "foreigner"). It's kind of like ethnicities, really, and hylek are still fairly "racist". Konig (talk) 18:32, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Okay, that makes sense. Based on past hylek I've found, it seemed the naming scheme was(if they were a generic-ish hylek) "Tribe" and "job in tribe" (kinda like charr), so I assumed that was the case here. I guess that one is the unique for not having it's tribe as first it's name(well first after rank if it had one), just it's job. - Doodleplex 18:40, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Zintl Holy Grounds is an odd exception to the rule of how hylek function, due to the situation around it (risen front lines), acting as a refugee camp, and being holy grounds for multiple tribes in the area. It's basically what Jerusalem would be if Christians, Muslims, and Jews didn't fight over who gets it but instead shared it peacefully, then suddenly it's attacked by zombies like in World War Z. Konig (talk) 18:52, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Bots behaving badly

Hi, I noticed User:J.A.R.V.I.S. converted the drops on Champion Demagogue to a table row but it's messed up because there's no table header. I figured I should tell you instead of just adding the header myself because if it's a bot edit there could be other pages where it did the same thing and maybe you need to use the bot again to find and fix them? Idk. —Azurem 22:49, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up! Long story short, there shouldn't be many like that as that was my mistake, not the bots, as by that point I was checking what it was doing before it saved the page due how all over drops were documented before(consistency in formatting? oh no...X_x) and I should have caught that but didn't. I will do a run to see if anything using the new template is missing a header(or a closer because couldn't hurt to check), so thanks for the heads up. - Doodleplex 23:06, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Good news, that was the only one as far as I know. Thanks again! - Doodleplex 19:54, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

I'd argue that J.A.R.V.I.S. was remarkably accurate with this edit. Such philosophical insight should be encouraged! G R E E N E R 01:02, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Don't give it ideas! (And this is why I double check everything while it's running lol XD) - Doodleplex 01:05, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

[1], for handling redirects, it should be creating a wikilink to the correct page and using the original text as the alt text. Or only do that if the redirect contains a section link.--Relyk ~ talk < 00:19, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

That is how I set it up to work, so I'm not entirely sure what happened there, though it looks like it only did that for template pages, so I fixed those. I think for future reference I'll have it exclude templates and just fix those myself if need(just to be safe). Thanks for the heads up. - Doodleplex 00:30, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

seriously just eced....

sigh... G R E E N E R 02:59, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Okay, yours has a map column... mine didn't. You win. G R E E N E R 03:00, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

I saw you making those pages, I figured you might edit, was hoping to save before you did anything. Let's just blame the Oscars for being shiny. XD - Doodleplex 03:01, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
Smart move. Just make sure you remove the extra dialogue. I'm off to another client. Enjoy the show! G R E E N E R 03:08, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Adding unsigned to 3+ year old comments

Seriously? --Gimmethegepgun (talk) 02:33, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

I've actually been adding the signatures for unsigned comments to talk pages for awhile, both new and old, as then it gives more context as to who said what and when. Starting doing it mostly because it made it easier to archive some of the longer talk pages as it helped me know where comments from some years started and ended, and I've pretty much continued on from that point. - Doodleplex 02:46, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
It's probably unnecessary after that long, but so long as the unsigned date matches up with the history, I don't see a problem with it. - Felix Omni 05:33, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just kinda ridiculous, especially considering that particular talk page hadn't been touched since that day, which makes me wonder how Doodle even found it --Gimmethegepgun (talk) 10:32, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Easy, I was editing the article it was attached to. I alway check the npc talk pages in case something should have been added but wasn't(which I've found that to be the case a few times). Nothing more to it than that. - Doodleplex 17:43, 7 March 2017 (UTC)



I can't remember where the convo for this is actually taking place so I'll mark it here. I just found that Vollym the Fierce still uses the old Defiance system when you fight him during the related event. -Darqam 22:32, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

I think the conversation is all over the place. For the time being, I just put up the list of the three NPCs I knew of here, so if you find more, feel free leave them there. - Doodleplex 22:54, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

First, thanks for your defiance list. You might be interested in the following NPC, which are still using the old Unshakable system:

Regarding the WvW section: the three Champion Toxic can't be found in WvW anymore, they could only be found during the Tower of Nightmares; I guess right now only in PvE, if one really upscales these Toxic Offshoot events; might be hard to verify this. - Tolkyria 23:49, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Updated the issue with the Toxic champs showing up there - the articles themselves were out of date resulting in an false pulling on Doodle's sandbox. Konig (talk) 16:39, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Noticed a question you asked on ArenaNet Q&A I can kinda answer...

Cannot say that Villager (Thunder Ridge) was renamed to Penelopee, but I can say that 1) they share models, 2) they share voice actress, 3) when "Villager" went away, "Penelopee" appeared, at that PoI camp. The change (be it rename or replacement) happened between Blood and Madness and Tower of Nightmares releases, iirc. This is likely why the german wiki says such, though a confirmation of renaming ala Scholar Glenna and Bullablopp (who was originally simply "Villager") would be nice. But honestly, given same voice, model, and general location, I'd say they're the same. Konig (talk) 19:35, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Never hurts to be sure! =) - Doodleplex 19:39, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Floaty blue background

As a response to your comment on this edit, here is a quick video on where I take screenshots with the blue background (Tyndel probably has another spot that can be used up there, but I don't know exactly where). I can send you a guild invite to my bank guild if you need access to the Lost Precipice. —Nefastu 21:49, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Ahhhh thank you so much! I do indeed have access to Lost Precipice, I just wasn't sure were you guys were doing this, and based on that video, clearly I was nowhere near high enough heh. Thanks so much again! - Doodleplex 21:52, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
There's a convoluted route starting by Upper Plaza Waypoint — [&BHcIAAA=] in [SoV], Doodle. I can show you where a guildie started it, or else you can just build your own path. Their version starts by going through the SW building by the the WP. G R E E N E R 22:17, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Storm Top Dig Spots

I see you reverted the areas of some dig spots. If the "area" of a dig spot is named based off of check points, then those dig spots you changed should be area 5 as they are obtained after reaching the 4th checkpoint. The "areas" listed on the Storm Top page for somebody's experience in infantile mode do not match the checkpoints. Those dig spots are indeed area 5, not 6. ~Mervil User Mervil Sig.png 04:46, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

The areas are based off the achievement gained in Infantile Mode, ie Baby's Second Super Adventure. Made the guide while doing that achievement and Master of Baubles so they should match up to that. - Doodleplex 05:12, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Well, I don't think I'm wrong (could be). The achievement is based off of reaching the check points. There are 10 checkpoints, and 10 items for Zone 3 in that achievement. The areas for the infantile mode walkthrough are messed up, or the game was bugged for you when you played through it. What is listed as Area 2 is actually still part of Area 1, and every area afterwards is one number off. Yeti and thereafter would be considered Area 11. ~Mervil User Mervil Sig.png 05:42, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Alright as my boyfriend hasn't played SAB ever period, I'll have him be my guinea pig this weekend and double check the areas. For the time being would you just use the numbering used in the guide for the areas, to avoid confusion, until then? - Doodleplex
Double checked like I said, and just to cover all the bases, I got the all the areas for both World 1 and 2. Turns out yes I was a bit off, but not how I expected, as the areas marked by doing the Baby's Adventure Achievement do not always match up with the checkpoints and sometimes have multiple checkpoints or start in locations not near a checkpoint. Also discovered there are 12 checkpoints in Storm Top: there are two checkpoints to enter the area with the Yeti(not sure how I'm gonna number those in the map...hrm) and there's the one after him which I forgot and I'd be willing to beat most people do as well. I've already updated Storm Top with the correct area numbers relating to the achievement so hopefully everything is good now. - Doodleplex 03:53, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
I can’t figure out how the infantile clouds determine the area. Is there a hint that disappears once you get them? Should we use the areas determined by infantile clouds or checkpoints? Checkpoints are consistent over all modes but the clouds are only in infantile mode. For the Yeti you’re using a shortcut that wasn’t there originally so it shouldn't be a whole number (8b or 8.5 or 8A [for Alternate]). Is there a project page or main page for all of this formatting and layout discussion so it’s not scattered about? J.Tesla (talk) 10:32, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
You're half right, sometimes the Infantile Clouds were near where the achievement triggers, but those were the Infantile Clouds in Tribulation Mode, as when I matched up the screenshots from Infantile Mode/Baby's Second Adventure getting with cloud checkpoints, the odd ones matched up with them. The rest of the areas matched up with regular checkpoints and the few that didn't were usually just the area of a boss, or in the case of Storm Top, the two bosses. As for a format for SAB guides, no there's no format or official template or anything, I primarily was doing how I saw Rapids set up, it had areas that matched with Baby's Second Adventure. Also, seeing as how get all the baubles in Infantile Mode is actually the only way to get that achievement in Pain Cliffs, and extremely easier for Storm Top, I just figured that was the best way to set it up: a walkthrough done in Infantile Mode that matched the Infantile Mode areas that had how to get everything. What do you mean about a shortcut with the Yeti by the way? - Doodleplex 08:44, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
When I play in normal mode the only indication of area is the checkpoint gates. For things like dig spots that only show up in normal mode this makes it confusing when I see a dig spot in area 2 that is before the first checkpoint. Having the guides written for infantile mode is fine but I don’t think it should determine the areas instead of the checkpoints.
Shortcuts were added to all the zones in world 2 when it became a festival because the zones were much longer than the zones in world 1. Here are the update notes for it. These shortcuts are the pointing hands with happy faces on them that skip a part of the level. So when numbering the checkpoints I think the original checkpoints should be numbered in order and the new check points at the end of the shortcuts should have an alternate labeling system so people don’t get confused as to which way to go.
It is still possible to get all the baubles in normal mode in pain cliffs. It’s annoying but the level has been designed to allow you to do it. J.Tesla (talk) 13:25, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I see. While I do prefer to use Anet's "numbering" to avoid confusing people/pulling a Dulfy(love her stuff, but those coins know), I'm pondering if perhaps we should maybe replace it being sectioned by the areas and have it set up to be sectioned by checkpoint. That way there wouldn't be confusion per say as to what is where, and in the dig spots below, replace areas with closest checkpoint. What do you think of this idea? - Doodleplex 18:00, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

I think that would be the best option. J.Tesla (talk) 18:10, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Browser crash

So because of your edit, you might be interested to lookup lazarus extension (for both chrome or firefox) Firefox, Chrome.

If you ever crash or lose the form for some reason, right click, hover over lazarus icon, boom text is there. -Darqam 23:07, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Oooo I'm gonna check that out, thanks for the info! - Doodleplex 02:57, 15 April 2017 (UTC)


You now are one. Don't screw it up. Also you can add yourself to the list of admins. - Tanetris (talk) 17:47, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Party time quaggan icon.png Present quaggan icon.png Box quaggan icon.png
The wiki is now in quaggan only mode. Well done! -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 18:46, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Party time quaggan icon.pngRelax quaggan icon.pngSpace quaggan icon.png -Darqam 19:15, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Bubbles quaggan icon.png Congrats Doodle! Feel free to ask us stuff about sysop stuff if you're unsure. The first week(s) can be a bit daunting, but the quaggans will help you prevail. Bubbles quaggan icon.pngVentriloquist 20:36, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Coo. Your new assistant, so I'm told. Konig (talk) 21:05, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Congrats! --Imry (talk) 21:35, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
WoooOOoo Congrats. SoooOOOo DooOOoon't screw it up. I know you won't, I just wanted to add more ooOOooo words. ;-) --Cloned (talk) 14:08, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
grats--Relyk ~ talk < 15:22, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Lost quaggan icon.png Sending out a quaggan search party with all the well wishes they can carry. G R E E N E R 16:58, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Congrats! Knight quaggan icon.png Knight Quaggan will join you on the quest for DooOOoodle. J.Tesla (talk) 17:17, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
/off. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 17:21, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Lollipop quaggan icon.png Oh! Dang thanks guys! =D I will do my best to not screw it up, and yes I will definitely be asking questions about stuff, greatly appreciated! <3 (No search parties needed Greener, Lily got into some chocolate yesterday so it was kitty's health > everything else. She's okay now.) - Doodleplex 18:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Congratulations Doodle! Happy sysop-ing :D *inserts fancy Quaggan here* --Stephane Lo Presti talk 18:24, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Heh thanks. =D - Doodleplex 18:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Congratulations! Not a quaggan, but sort of fitting. Just not quaggans. User Incarnazeus Signature.pngtalk 19:32, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Party time quaggan icon.pngCongrats! Best wishes! Jesself 19:39, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Thank you and thanks for the poem Inc, it's well chosen and I will keep it with me. And thank you Jesself. I've been meaning to give you this by the way, you seem to be already pretty handy, but I figured this little page you either might benefit from or be able to add to(since yes I saw what you added to my page heh). Cheers! =) 20:01, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the tips link! This wiki is my first for participation, so I welcome such hints/help; any apparent proficiency on my part probably took me hours. Also, I greatly appreciate your humor. Quag-On! Jesself 20:29, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


23:43 (Deletion log)‎ . . [Doodleplex‎ (29×)] Why am I not surprised day one that's already there. -Darqam 23:47, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

I think you'd be more surprised if that didn't happen on day one(though technically it's day 2 thanks my cat's shenanigans, but I digress). It's nothing more than getting rid of some move remnants from talk pages/images, some smart quote redirects(they don't work at all), and a few duplicate icons, ie small stuff and nothing terribly interesting. - Doodleplex 00:03, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

"defiance" or "defiance|blue"

Since you just made an edit solely to alter that... |blue is an actual parameter with {{defiance}}, and I think it'd be best to use that in case we ever, for whatever reason, decide to change the default use to something else. Doesn't matter in the short run (may not in the long run either), but I am mentioning it because I find it silly to make an edit just for such a small thing. :P Konig (talk) 22:14, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

I actually went to edit because you spelled defiance wrong so the bar wasn't showing up. True it's a parameter, but the defiance bar template is blue by default so putting "|blue" isn't really needed and the template page should probably be edited a bit to reflect that in its examples. - Doodleplex 22:27, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
I... know that the blue bar is default and that putting |blue isn't strictly needed currently. Hence why I made the comment "in case we ever, for whatever reason, decide to change the default use to something else" in the first place... There was no confusion about the default for the parameter or need of adding |blue to the template. Konig (talk)
Not sure what there is to be confused about on your part, I simply added in that {{defiance}} was the default and would show the blue defiance bar in the description/example of the template page if anybody looked. If indeed in the future we need to change the default colours of the defiance bars, it's a fairly simple bot task and therefore a matter to worry about then, not now. - Doodleplex 02:37, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
There's no confusion on my part, but you restating something I stated as a preface to my point made it seem like you thought there was (it seemed as if you were stating it because you thought I didn't know what you stated despite me stating it first), hence my statement of there being no confusion. Konig (talk) 04:46, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Text on objects

I noticed you've been moving around some dialogue, and also you're a sysop now (grats!) so I figure you're a good person to ask this: does an object's text (the one that pops up when you interact with them) go on the object's page or on the story instance's if the object only ever appears in that instance? Right now, it's generally part of the dialogue section in the story instance's page, but that's because the object pages didn't exist before, I'm creating them as I go. --Faelys 04:07, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! Objects in stories rarely get much attention, and even fewer have dialogue. Of those that do, usually the dialogue is related to story progression, ie "You read this note on the desk. You now know who ate my Thin Mint cookies! New story objective: Go bother my bother for my cookies back!" so it's normally found on the story instance page. Because of that, it would probably be best to just follow how story NPCs are done in regards to dialogue, ie all their story dialogue is on the story instance page and I'd say do the same thing with the objects. Unrelated, the conclusion of the cookie story is my stinking little brother ate all the Thin Mint cookies...*grumps about*- Doodleplex 04:35, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Alright! Following that reasoning, objects that appear in more than one instance (like those who get added to your home instance after you've recovered them) would have their dialogue on their own page, right? At least, the dialogues that are not story-related? Another related question: in The House of Caithe, should the objects get their own page and their dialogues moved? Here, have an internet cookie as compensation! *gives out a slightly-burnt cookie, as I am not know for my cooking skills* --Faelys 14:37, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Oh woops, I totally forgot to answer this. Yes, yes they should for both. - Doodleplex 18:31, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
No problem! Thanks for the help!--Faelys 23:31, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

J.A.R.V.I.S. edit went wrong

Regarding: (→‎Dialogue: bot edit -> changing so that player's response line is in italics and not bold)

On my watchlist I saw, due to defiance bar edits, your bot J.A.R.V.I.S. making some edits, got curious and found this: Half-Baked Komali#Dialogue or Short-Fuse Felix#Dialogue, for example:

Talk combat option tango.png
'Unknown (with bounty active)

So I think somethink went wrong there, interfering with being bold and the addition: (with bounty active) in plain format, you might want to revisit all Guild Bounty#Possible Targets. And I'm not completely familiar with the currrent style, but shouldn't be: (with bounty active) written as (with bounty active)? -Tolkyria 11:51, 28 April (UTC)

I've gone through with a robot and re-balanced the apostrophes. I have not however introduced any small elements. Dialogue formatting can be tricksy with regex :/ -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 17:48, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
First thanks for pointing it out. I looked, and it seems that like J.A.R.V.I.S. didn't actually cause anything, it was already set up like that, and all the bot did was move italics from being in front of {{dialouge icon|combat}} to after it, since sometimes there were italics on both sides making things bold. From there I had it set up to change ones that had 3 apostrophes to be two, however, since those had 4 and 5 apostrophes as a result, it didn't do anything since it was told to only look for 3. Either or, will double check all of the guild bounties right now, as they shouldn't say "unknown" they should have a stub tag so the dialogue can be put in. - Doodleplex 18:17, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Updating Great jungle wurm larva picture

I tried updating that one file with a better one but something gone really weird or maybe im dumb but it isn't using my picture, so i had to upload an entirely new one. Did i do something stupid or? :D --Nebilim.5127 21:56, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Nope it's probably not anything you did. Did you try clearing your internet cache? If that's cleared, then just wait 24 hours, it's either a wiki cache but(which it doesn't appear to be since it's working for me) or it's just internet stuff being wonky, and letting time pass/24 hours usually clears it up. - Doodleplex 22:21, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
When you upload a new image over an old one, there's usually a delay in your screen. If you clear the cache (hit the clock next to your username in the top left portion of wiki pages) and then refresh, it will show your uploaded image. If that doesn't work, then it's just server being slow (and will usually be fixed within a few minutes tops). Either way, it's changed for me so I tagged the new one for deletion and reverted the image links. Though TBH, since the Blighted Grubs are older, the file may be better under that name than Jungle Wurm Larva... Konig (talk) 22:31, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

release thingy


So, with everything being formally (it seems) changed to | release, what does this mean exactly. Do we label anything appearing AFTER THE RELEASE of HoT as | release = HoT, or do we only label items requiring HoT TO OBTAIN THEM with it? -Darqam 05:47, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Long answer: here. Short answer: it should be either "did this come with HoT/is part of HoT directly" or "did this come with LWS3" unless I missed someting. Also the only reason for the bot run is because there were a lot of pages not being categorized as HoT content due to "HoT" no longer being an acceptable perimeter for status. - Doodleplex 06:17, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Oh, second question, just do be really sure. This still only applies to items, right? No need to throw it on skins? (I don't see why we would, but just making sure.) -Darqam 14:18, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Oh, and unrelated question. I know things have been shifting in this direction, but I'd like to confirm it before I finish implementing it into my website.
So, all gallery and icon files names should take the name of the skin instead of the item itself, with only exception of when the item name is identical to the skin, in which case you go with item name (since skin has (skin) appended to it. Is this correct? -Darqam 14:37, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Because of the Guaranteed Wardrobe Unlock, for the skins I can't say "doesn't matter" until I can get an answer to my question for some items, because then it actually might. As for the naming of skins and the (skin) thing, you'd need to ask Alex since he wanted to do things with it. - Doodleplex 18:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Sorry for breaking things, those infobox edits weren't very well thought through. I was vaguely wondering about specifying actual update dates in the release parameter. Imo, that would be more useful than saying "this is heart of thorns content, which could be any time within the last 12 plus months". -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 20:11, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
No biggie, it's something I meant to do anyway but got distracted and didn't soon enough heh. In terms of HoT content, for the most part if you exclude some glider skins(maybe some other gemstore items), everything for HoT came out either with the release of HoT or from the Spring 2016 Quarterly Update. Anything after that that's tagged as being HoT is most likely from Living World Season 3 and should be corrected, though I would like to specify which part of LWS3's releases those things came from. Sorta similar to how Category:Living World Season 2 content is, though I'm not sure if the release template has those in it currently-I think that's all hard coded to be in those categories. - Doodleplex 21:34, 9 May 2017 (UTC)


The "comment" in Requests for comment doesn't refer to exactly one comment, you know. - Felix Omni 20:52, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

True, but the question asked was one that has been answered before, and one that I agree with in the why: we don't use direct links to YouTube pages to avoid bias/favoritism(unless said direct links go directly to Anet's official YouTube account) and the {{YouTube search}} template "lets the user pick which video in the results to watch (and even pick a different one if their first pick was a dud)." - Doodleplex 21:03, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
This has been bugging me...feels like I messed up pretty good, and I feel pretty bad about it. I thought the answer was a fairly straightforward based on the various discussions I tracked down, hence why I removed it. I'll try not to repeat that again. - Doodleplex 00:47, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
It was definitely a misstep, and it's good that you recognize that. Keep in mind the advice I left on your RfA, and remember that it's always better to foster engagement and bring more users to the discussion than to shut it down. We, the community, made all of our rules, which means that we the community can disregard them when reasonable. - Felix Omni 05:03, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Fixing links

[2], these are minor details but since these are trivial maintenance edits... I would actually prefer that the links are kept here. The link to the template and form are somewhat important to the discussion, especially if I'm reviewing previous work on the template. You can use {{tl}} like I do in that talk page to indicate these are actual templates. Maybe you want to start using a red link template to keep the dead links without generating the dead link reports?--Relyk ~ talk < 22:55, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Okiedokie, no biggie, that works for me. I'm not sure what you mean by red link template and generating dead link reports(unless by reports you mean the Recent changes page). I was doing a DPL search for stuff by capital letter in the talk namespaces to find ones that had missing signatures and found some that had broken links in the process. - Doodleplex 23:18, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
I assume that's why you're changing them at all, to avoid populating Special:WantedPages.--Relyk ~ talk < 02:59, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Ah, yeah. I do it so that page is more of a list of pages that need to be created and less of links that are just broken due to being moved/deleted/typo'd. - Doodleplex 03:11, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Shortcut links

The point of these links is to have them as linkable links. By unwrapping the redirects, you are kind of defeating the point. I’d also ask you not to expand those shortcut redirects on other pages. There is a reason we have them as redirects, so they can be typed quickly, and it’s perfectly fine to only use those shortcut links. By expanding them later, we would be giving the signal, that using the shortcut is generally not desired, which is simply not the case.

I do believe that unwrapping redirects is a useful thing in many situations but you should differ between redirects that exist because the linked page is “incorrect” (for lack of better word, e.g. common misspelling, or renamed stuff, where the actual redirect target is the proper name), and utility redirects that are designed to be there to be actually used. In the latter category, I would put things like Template:Tl or CoF; and of course GW2W shortcut links. poke | talk 11:12, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

The same applies btw. to things like this. Here, this is a utility link because—at the time—a dedicated champion page does not exist and likely does not make sense. Unwrapping the link will break in the future though if we ever decide that there will be a page, or even when the NPC rank page will be modified in certain ways. poke | talk 11:14, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Transclusion of interwikis

Hey, you probably want to make sure you're putting the interwikis inside the <noinclude> section, as they're currently being transcluded on the monthly summary pages. E.g Game updates/2013-09-26 and Game updates/2013-09-20 are both sending their interwikis to Game updates/September 2013, though of course only one set is showing up. G R E E N E R 23:29, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Oh dang, didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up! - Doodleplex

Shared Model project

I just noticed the Objects part of the Shared Model project, and now I want to help (which is not as altruistic as it seems—shared models means less photo-taking for me) but I have no idea where to start and I don't want to get in the way of how you've been doing things. Got any tips? --Faelys 23:39, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Hehe, as my Advisor/Illustration professor always said: "Work smarter, not harder!" and that was part of the inspiration behind that project. As for tips, yep try this page, and if you have any questions, feel free to ask. =) - Doodleplex 02:35, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Cool, thanks for the link! What about objects that are not yet listed on the project? Do you want me to add them whenever I come across one, or would you rather I let you do that work? --Faelys 15:11, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Feel free to add what you find, since many objects are undocumented as this time(renown hearts and story objects pretty much). The only thing I'd say is be careful with books and if you find one, just leave a text link and I'll look into it. - Doodleplex 18:16, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Will do. Thanks! --Faelys 18:24, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Better lit???

Doodle, if you don't think this is the most fabulously lit image in the entire wiki then I don't even know what to say to you. --Idris (talk) 01:30, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

The Moot would like to disagree about being fabulously well lit heh. Anyway, that picture really only shows how the lighting that comes off the orb on top looks, it doesn't show the actual decoration itself very well due to how dark everything else is as a result, hence why I said better lit. If anything it can be a second picture to show the lighting effect of the decoration if taking a brighter picture doesn't show the lighting that comes from the decoration equally well. - Doodleplex 01:39, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
I agree with you actually, I just couldn't help but comment on how pretty it is. It really does a lovely job of showing off how the glow looks at night. --Idris (talk) 01:42, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
True it does. BTW it also doubles as a bug zapper, but I'm not sure that was intentional. ;D - Doodleplex 01:44, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
Btw, while I've got your attention, an unrelated question: do you know how to prevent a page from being included in a category if it contains a template that automatically adds it to the category? --Idris (talk) 02:36, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
There is a way I believe for anything that has an infobox, but may I know why you wouldn't want to categorize it? - Doodleplex 02:42, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
It's for my userspace, so infoboxes aren't going to be used. Or do userspaces get excluded automatically? --Idris (talk) 02:50, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
Oh okay, that makes sense. If you're making pages for your toons, there's Template:User NPC infobox you can use. If it's some other infobox (since I think only other thing that categorizes pages would be navigation templates and I don't think you're dealing with those) add "| categorize = n" in the infobox and it won't categorize the page. - Doodleplex 02:55, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
Actually, it is a nav template, haha. I'm thinking it'll be handy for keeping track of to-do areas on my projects page. I guess I'll just link to the template instead of using it on the page. Thanks for the info! --Idris (talk) 03:01, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

(Reset indent) You could use Template:Blank nav as a workaround then, as it doesn't categorize anything. - Doodleplex 03:03, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

J.A.R.V.I.S. made a teeny mistake

So if you look here and a few other pages (very few) it looks like when it moved a couple lines around in the info-box that it kept the curly braces. It made the infoboxes blank. I think I've corrected the pages it affected (I think only 3 or 4?). I don't think it's enough to worry about since most people don't put end brackets on the same line as everything else, but it exists so I thought I'd let you know. I love J.A.R.V.I.S. though. It works so hard!--Rain Spell (talk) 20:16, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Heh thank you. That is something I totally forgot about and I'll see about doing a run later to fix that, so thank you for the heads up. =) - Doodleplex 20:18, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Filter update

Thanks for updating the abuse filter. Also, sorry for just throwing out that block. I'd just been over looking at the gw1w, and was in sysop mode. Feel free to adjust the length of time or remove the block if you feel it's appropriate. G R E E N E R 21:28, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

I honestly should have updated the filter, as I was thinking about doing so, but I didn't think he'd come back and do it a fourth time, so I didn't bother with it. As a result, I think the block is fine as it is. Also totally late, but congrats on the promotion to bureaucrat! - Doodleplex 21:33, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Heart Quests

Hiiiii <3 So! Since Heart Quests are a little harder to test because of killing blows on champions and mobs, I figured I'd ask if you wanted to go around re-testing my old hearts together! I imagine you might be able to do it much quicker than me, but I know that if I'm by myself it can take me a couple of hours to make sure I'm getting the correct data. :S Let me know! (Yes, this stuff is still making me so anxious but I FINALLY did a couple of small edits last night again omg.) - Muirellthe Moon Geode.png

Sure thing. =) - Doodleplex 22:12, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
YAY ^_^ Let me know whenever you'd like to, and I'm sure I'll be available. It's totally a tedious thing, so no rush! I'm just glad I only had 7 heart quests compared to the many more I thought I had done... - Muirellthe Moon Geode.png