Talk:Legendary Weapons (achievements)

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Should this page's name be changed to "Legendary Weapons", as there is no collection called "Legendary Collections"? There are 2 collections that would be classified as legendary collections, being called "Legendary Weapons" and "Legendary Backpacks". It may make it easier for people to find. ~Miss Lana 13:38, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

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So you can't craft a Legendary now without HoT? ~Lya

You can't craft the precursors without HoT. You can still obtain old precursors via drops and TP. --BryghtShadow (talk) 10:48, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the speedy reply. What a shame: I just came across a Crimson Sunflower and wondered why I couldn't pick it up. Checked here, and thought Kudzu might be quite nice for my Sylvari Ranger. First time I fancied a Legendary! :o Ahh well, maybe after Christmas :) ~Lya

Feedback 2015/12/28

Except for the tier 1 collections, the vol. 2 and vol. 3 books from Grandmaster Craftsman Hobbs do NOT unlock the collection. You can't even purchase them until you've crafted the experimental (for vol. 2) or perfected (for vol. 3) weapon, which themselves become the first item in their respective collections. --Inna (talk) 15:57, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

My bad. Sorry. Hekela (talk) 20:23, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Actually, confused. The description of Vol. 2 and Vol. 3 do seem to indicate that they are part of the collection. But everything that I read (e.g. https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3r7vka/precursor_crafting_spark_steps_cost_breakdown/ and Guide to precursor crafting), say that Vol. 2 and Vol. 3 unlock the collection. Hekela (talk) 21:38, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Unlocks

I'm pretty sure there are two prerequisites before you can unlock the next collection - the appropriate level mastery as well as crafting the previous collection's precursor. After that, I think the collection is unlocked by purchasing the next book eg. The Bifrost Vol. 3., although it might show after crafting the tier's precursor (needs checking)? It is not unlocked straight after finishing the previous collection or crafting (can't remember which is the case) as the text which shows up when you do implies. This is currently reflected in some of achievement listings, eg. for Bifrost and Bolt. Seylan (talk) 16:21, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

That is what I thought as well. However, Inna (above), who has indicated in another discussion that they have made The Legend, has said that that is not the case. They say that crafting that tier's precursor unlocks the collection, and the Vol. # is merely a part of the next collection. As I have not crafted a precursor yet, I can't argue. Hekela (talk) 17:55, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

I'll check when I gather some more Geodes for the Howler collection. Seylan (talk) 07:40, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Missing collections, formatting inconsistencies

There's quite a few collections which have a lot of text missing and the API isn't helpful as it's only showing the first collections. I'm wondering if we could somehow request help in filling in the missing collections as at this point, only The Bard hasn't been crafted through a collection. Also, these collections are a massive PITA with formatting inconsistencies and the trophies. I'm not sure what they're supposed to look like, the templates in use etc. I don't find having to go to individual item pages to expand on hints to be particularly helpful when trying to do a collection but there've been discussions about how this is awkward to include on the main collection page. Personally, I think the hints should be kept and documented as they represent the ingame text and expanded on only if clarification is needed. Also, including cost breakdowns for the known collections on the individual collection pages would be really nice. Seylan (talk) 12:16, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Regarding the collection pages, I agree that it would be better to represent the hints of the collection items as they appear in game, this way players interested in checking what kinds of steps are required for the completion of the respective collection have a rough overview without any "spoilers" (considering they would like to figure out the hints for themselves). Of course, having to click through single collection-related pages might be a slight hassle - but then again, a few clicks won't kill, will they? talk 14:20, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

It won't but I still feel having somewhere where there's a rough consolidated guide might be helpful. Especially with some of the collections which need to be done in a particular order, eg. Astralaria IV. Seylan (talk) 14:43, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Ingame mail after unlocking the second tier collection

I don't see it documented anywhere else, so here it is:

Grandmaster Craftsman Hobbs Your Legendary Journey Hail, Mighty Crafter! I would like to congratulate you on your initial successes in creating your legendary weapon! It may not seem like much—an experimental creation. From it, you can build your legendary precursor and eventually your mighty legendary weapon itself. Your journey is far from over; the next collection on your journey has been unlocked. Check it out to see where your quest takes you next. —Yours in legend,

-Chieftain Alex 21:56, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

I think the mails went on Grandmaster Craftsman Hobb's page. -Seylan 128.250.0.79 22:03, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Hmm possibly. Usually they go on the page associated with the "what you were doing when you got it" part of it. -Chieftain Alex 14:39, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Here is part 2 anyway:

Grandmaster Craftsman Hobbs Your Legendary Journey Hail, Quester of Legends! Let me be among the first to congratulate you on the power of your mastery and the new doors that it opens to you! You are well on your way to crafting your precursor—on the path to attaining your legendary weapon itself! Your next collection has been unlocked, detailing your steps for when you are ready to begin this next epic phase of your adventure! I have utter and complete faith in your ability to handle the daunting tasks presented to you. —Yours in might and yours in magic,

-Chieftain Alex 14:39, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Here's the letter you receive upon crafting your precursor:

Grandmaster Craftsman Hobbs Your Legendary Journey Hail, O Penultimate Creator! I am delighted to hear of your prowess and power, and of your progress in attaining the necessary precursor to create your legendary weapon. You have strode the lands of Tyria like a giant, battled its fell beasts, and succeeded where so many have turned aside. Congratulations! Go see Miyani, who holds the recipes necessary for your final steps in creating your legendary weapon! She will be expecting you. Do not falter! Success is within your grasp! —Yours,

talk 17:46, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

IDs

Most of these don't seem to be in the API, which is annoying.

ID	Has achievement page
4093	A Bug in the System (achievements)
3171	A Crack in the Ice (achievements)
4359	A Star to Guide Us (achievements)
4544	All or Nothing (achievements)
4940	Prologue: Bound by Blood (achievements)
5706	Champions (achievements)
2365	"Cryptonym" Strongbox
3988	Daybreak (achievements)
2538	"Dragonrender" Strongbox
1785	Echoes of the Past (achievements)
2565	"Endurance" Strongbox
1795	Entanglement (achievements)
2631	"Faren's Flyer" Strongbox
3442	Flashpoint (achievements)
1796	Gates of Maguuma (achievements)
2249	"Glory of Tyria" Strongbox
5401	Jormag Rising (achievements)
2515	"Legacy of Owl" Strongbox
2505	"Lethal Vantage" Strongbox
4195	Long Live the Lich (achievements)
2552	"Mellaggan's Valor" Strongbox
5291	No Quarter (achievements)
2512	"Obsidian Triumph" Strongbox
3050	Out of the Shadows (achievements)
2446	"Plains of Golghein" Strongbox
2054	Point of No Return (achievements)
2214	"Pride of Lion's Arch" Strongbox
3123	Rising Flames (achievements)
2544	"Scorchrazor II" Strongbox
1827	Seeds of Truth (achievements)
5107	Shadow in the Ice (achievements)
2210	"Shard of Brilliance" Strongbox
2583	"Slice of Sky" Strongbox
2617	"Straight and Narrow" Strongbox
2326	"Sword of Smodur" Strongbox
1816	Tangled Paths (achievements)
1784	The Dragon's Reach, Part 1 (achievements)
1790	The Dragon's Reach, Part 2 (achievements)
3348	The Head of the Snake (achievements)
2624	"Thunderbreaker" Strongbox
2243	"Unsolved Conundrum" Strongbox
2240	"Vengeance Rising" Strongbox
4689	War Eternal (achievements)
3507	"Where's Balthazar"
2437	"Whitebear's Pride II" Strongbox
4452	Halloween Rituals
4046	Toypocalypse
4446	Halloween Rituals
4435	Halloween Rituals
4442	Halloween Rituals
4875	Four Winds Customs
4872	Boss Blitz! Defeat all the champions in the Queen's Pavilion
4864	Defeat Boom-Boom Baines
4877	Defeat Justiciar Hablion
4871	Defeat Kuraii the Cruel
4881	Defeat Pyroxis
4869	Defeat Sparcus Firesplash
4874	Defeat Wiggin the Wicked
4878	Collect as much loot as possible before time runs out!
4075	Celestial Challenge
4081	A race is starting soon! (Lunar New Year)
4870	Four Winds Customs
4850	Dragon Bash Feats
4882	Four Winds Customs
4438	Halloween Rituals
4880	Four Winds Customs
4815	Dragon Bash Feats
4071	Dragon Ball Arena
4088	Dragon Ball Arena
4068	Dragon Ball Arena
4082	Dragon Ball Arena
4868	Use water balloons to try and put out the flame effigy
6052	Extra Life Donation Drive
6051	Extra Life Donation Drive
6050	Extra Life Donation Drive
4045	Tixx's Infinirarium
4083	Firecracker
4860	Four Winds Customs
4156	Reach the finish line! (Super Adventure Box)
4863	Four Winds Customs
4865	Four Winds Customs
4055	A race is starting soon! (Wintersday)
4883	Queen's Gauntlet
4820	A race is starting soon! (Dragon Bash)
4087	New Year's Customs
4439	Halloween Rituals
4048	Bell Choir Ensemble
4838	Dragon Bash Hologram Stampede!
4059	Winter Wonderland
4067	New Year's Customs
4625	New Year's Customs
4449	Halloween Rituals
4447	Halloween Rituals
4867	Four Winds Customs
4813	Dragon Arena
4448	Halloween Rituals
4080	A race is starting soon! (Lunar New Year)
4866	Four Winds Customs
4836	Dragon Piñata
4862	Four Winds Customs
... further results

-Chieftain Alex 22:38, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

What kind of ID numbers are these? Skin IDs would be in the 6000 range. Item IDs would be in the 69000-77000 range. SarielV 22:06, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Those just look like collection IDs. Hekela (talk) 19:40, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Added all the IDs to the collections, could use double checking to make sure they're correct. Seylan (talk) 13:48, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for adding them. Compared the IDs with some I generated from the API just now, looks good! -Chieftain Alex 15:09, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Progress so far

So, since all the collections are up on the API it's going to be a lot easier to finish up all the collection info (checking, ordering, hints, item IDs etc). I'm wondering if it's possible to get the hint from the trophy itself so it doesn't need to be copied into the table, since it looks like we're using that and it's not doing anything right now. The template still uses the description if there's no actual hint written into the section. Also, any chance of having cost breakdowns on the pages? It would make the pages a lot more useful in deciding whether to buy or craft. Seylan (talk) 13:48, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Oh and, with this page itself, I think the only major thing off the top of my head missing right now is inconsistencies in with the unlocks. Seylan (talk) 13:51, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

There was a bit of a disagreement whether the hints should be SMW'd into the tables, I think its probably ok. I'll go add the parameter to the item infobox so that it displays "hint" if given. -Chieftain Alex 15:11, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

We said that item-infobox shouldn't have the hint showing because the hint isn't a part of the item itself, it's only a part of the collection. Which is why only the collection pages have the hint, not the item pages. I agree with this. Hekela (talk) 21:03, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

ATM it's just there, and not displayed. I'm not sure why, but I think mostly to preserve it in case we need it and also to stop people putting it into items which don't have a description? Seylan (talk) 23:38, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

OK I see what you did now - the hint is displayed where the description is for the item. I was thinking more along the lines of not having to write it into the collection pages themselves if it's already in the item's description since the collection table row template uses the item description instead of the hint for that row if nothing is entered where the hint should be. Also, some items are part of multiple collections, eg. Jar of Harpy Pheromones and I don't think there's anything set up to handle both sets of hints for two collections. Also, the way it's set up right now, the hint runs into the description. I know ingame it's yellow so they're distinguishable but that doesn't really work on white backgrounds. Seylan (talk) 11:02, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

It's just irritating duplicating the info across multiple pages when we're not sure what to do with it. Seylan (talk) 11:22, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

I thought it was odd to have an invisible parameter, so I set the existing hint to be visible yesterday. (thus I don't need to press edit to figure out if the hint parameter is set or not)

My plan is now to move all of the current hints that are falsely in the description parameter (example: they start with "Hint:") to hint. I don't yet know if the hint is different for two collections collecting the same item. -Chieftain Alex 12:01, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

I thought it may be best to remove the hidden attribute all together, instead of making it visible. Hekela (talk) 00:25, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I'm ripping the missing icons from the API and uploading them. I'm not gonna be creating pages for them (API doesn't have the hints), but the icons will be ready in place. -Chieftain Alex 17:39, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

some achievements have wrong AP value on this wiki. Collections 1-3 give 3 AP each, 4th collection for new legendaries give 2 AP each. But some achievements incorrectly say 4 AP atm.

Pre-requisits

Some achievs state you need the previous completed weapon+the mastery, whereas others state only the mastery... Which one of the two is correct exactly? I understand the difference between gen 2 and 1, but there is even inconsistency between things in Gen 1. -Darqam (talk) 21:20, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

As per discussions above in section Feedback 2015/12/28, for the collections after Tier I, I believe it's both but it needs checking. I don't think the next collection will unlock unless you craft the pre also. Seylan (talk) 01:06, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

I can confirm that you need to craft the respective precursor tier to unlock the next collection. In addition, in order to be able to buy the required volume the correct mastery and said precursor tier are needed. I found one relevant screenshot from back when I was working on Frostfang III and took another semi-relevant (probably irrelevant) one of my Nevermore progress just now. Hopefully this clears up things a bit. http://imgur.com/a/47cVE talk 14:57, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

From those images it almost looks like the unlock item is the crafted weapon, not the journal for tiers 2,3,4. Is this correct? If so, then the books would no longer be the unlock item, and pre-requisits should only show the mastery... correct? -Darqam (talk) 15:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Pretty much. talk 16:08, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

I have updated the prerequisites and unlocks. They are all uniform now. Hekela (talk) 16:10, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Nice! glad it wasn't me :D -Darqam (talk) 16:13, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Great work! But I fear there is another discrepancy... The HoT legendary weapon collections list Scholar of Secrets as prerequisite (by the way, a lot of collections still miss their prerequisite), but unless I am not completely confused and off the mark, I did not have it when I started out on Nevermore I. May I direct your attention to my list of pending achievements and my mastery track? You can see that I had Nevermore I active, and that the mastery track was Legendary Crafting, with Scholar of Secrets queued. http://imgur.com/5A6uYeg talk 17:05, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

The last tier of legendary mastery is only required for the 4th collection of the HoT weapons. Seylan (talk) 21:47, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

I've made the changes to reflect this. Anything else? Hekela (talk) 03:32, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Not for this page that I can think of. Maybe a few links here and there but nothing major. Seylan (talk) 03:38, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Some anonymous person above mentioned that the AP values may not be accurate. Can someone verify and correct if so? Hekela (talk) 03:48, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Took a look at them from the API, Flameseeker Prophecies and Rodgort 2 was off (fixed). They're all meant to be 3 AP total, with the first collections giving 3 for finishing, and the others giving 1 for first item collected and 2 on finishing. Seylan (talk) 04:18, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Glad to see this page finally coming together after the clusterf- it's been for a while. Hekela (talk) 06:32, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Suggested Location

Chuka and Champawat I: The Hunt, unlike the other collections, has a suggested location. Should it still be added for the sake of completeness or left out for consistency purposes? Nefastu (talk) 17:51, 20 April 2016 (UTC)