User talk:Hekela

Salvage research

• Ascended Salvage Tool/salvage research
• Ball of Dark Energy/Salvage Rate
• Salvage#Ascended equipment

We need separate research pages for each kit to spade if the results are different. The salvage article will go over what items are salvaged from what. This will get us the salvage rate for items dropped from all ascended gear. Equipment type specific items like Ball of Dark Energy would be a individual salvage research tables on those item pages to spade the individual salvage rate on the items. I'm not sure I like that as we have some duplication but it's better than the duplication we get of common drops; the {{salvage research header}} doesn't allow that scrutiny in a way we'd like. But it shouldn't be too hard for users to add to the general table and item-specific table.

I want to move all the salvaging information related to ascended gear to salvage so we can provide information about salvaging there rather than copypasting the same text on every related article. Any other ideas on this? I'm not completely sure how we want to handle research pages yet.--Relyk ~ talk < 18:00, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

For the salvage research, shouldn't we mimic what Glob of Ectoplasm/salvage research has done? By saying which salvage kit you used, the results are automatically filtered and calculated based on the kit used. I did try to use it to set up a research page, but the table didn't recognize the names of the ascended kits, so the template should be edited to allow for them. That would reduce the research pages to one, instead of two.

As for the salvaging information. No specific info is given on the salvage page for any other types of salvaging, so I don't think we should put such specific information about ascended salvaging there. If you really want all information in one place, then perhaps the ascended equipment page will work? I think would be the best place, since that pages talks about all the types of ascended equipment already anyway. I would also prefer it to be on every relevant article as well (so that one doesn't have to go to a specific page to find the information - if someone is looking at the Stabilizing Matrix page, they don't have to go to salvage or ascended equipment pages to find out how to get it). Hekela (talk) 18:47, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

We can't do that as we need to group by item type. The template would be dividing the totals for each item-specific drop by the total number of attempts rather than the number of attempts for the specifc item type. Glob of Ectoplasm is not an specific to an item type.

All the information on the salvage page is about normal salvaging. That was the only type of salvaging available. Now that we have salvaging for a specific category of items, we need to work that into the article.

The ascended equipment is about equipment with ascended rarity. How the salvaging mechanics works with ascended equipment would be on the page about salvaging. If people are looking for the Stabilizing Matrix page, then they go to the Stabilizing Matrix page. If they are looking for information about salvaging ascended rings, they definitely wouldn't be looking on Stabilizing Matrix. Any article that the information is relevant to would then provide a link to the specific page about the mechanic. For example, if they changed the salvage drops or available salvage kits, you would have to update every relevant article with the same information instead of a specific page.--Relyk ~ talk < 19:21, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

I can only speak for myself of course, but if I'm looking for information on salvaging ascended rings, I'm going to go to the ascended rings page, not the salvaging page. (I didn't even know that salvage page existed until you linked it.) Anything I wish to know about ascended rings should be on that page.

You're right about the salvage research. What do we do about that? Are we going to update a template, or create an entirely new one? Hekela (talk) 18:11, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

The only reason I think you'd look on ascended rings (in regards to wanting to salvage them) is to find out how to acquire them. This means of course we need a section on ascended rings about salvage drops specific to that category of item and a link back to ascended salvaging for information on how you salvage the ascended rings once you've acquired them.--Relyk ~ talk < 01:19, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Nah man. If I want to know anything about something, I will go to that items page. How to acquire? Go to ascended rings. Salvage results? Go to ascended rings. How to upgrade? Go to ascended rings. If I was to know about salvaging in general, then I'll go to the salvaging page. Once I'm on the salvaging page, I won't care about the specifics of ascended salvaging. I'm on that page because I'm looking for general information on salvaging, in general. That make sense? Hekela (talk) 18:08, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

"Not an item"

There was mention on Template talk:Collection table row that the collection items that appear in the collection UI actually do have IDs. I just checked the achievements API for Nevermore I: Ravenswood Branch and this gave me 14 item ids under the "bits" section - i.e. one for each item (items list). So they probably should use the item infobox. The API doesn't return data for all of the item IDs, but the order seen ingame matches the IDs given in the "bits" section, so we can deduce the following IDs for the items:

Item ID	Name
71206	Dierdre's Garden
72197	Protector of the Swamplands
76989	Terebinth Protector
72996	[Natural Protector]
75398	Thaumanova Containment
76448	Protector of the Fen
71876	[Protector of the Weald]
71887	Garden Protector
76705	Oasis Protector
73703	[Swamp Protector]
72760	[Protector of the Great Tree]
77234	[Protector of the Exalted]
74755	[Protector of Verdence]
76751	Protector of All

The names I've placed in brackets are deduced ids. tl;dr version: leave item infoboxes even if there is no physical item we get in our inventories. Set them as type=trophy. -Chieftain Alex 22:02, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Oh! Very interesting. You're right, the achievement API shows 14 IDs, but they don't show up on the item API. I didn't realize. However, my overarching goal here is that I'm thinking that those pages offer no additional information anyway (and any small info they do give can be added to the collections page), that those pages should be deleted anyway. What do you think? Hekela (talk) 22:08, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

For most pages this probably would be true (i.e. their "hint" is all we needed from them and their content is otherwise dull), but there isn't a harm in leaving them. Some pages may later benefit from maps + more detailed text guides as they are improved. Besides, random people love creating pages about stuff they find ingame and its hard to avoid these pages being created... seems easier to leave them be I think. -Chieftain Alex 22:22, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Just reading the revision history for Template: Collection table row... I think you're right. We don't really have a choice but to leave them, because Red Links are just begging some random to come over and recreate the page. If there weren't Red Links, I think an argument can be made. But with them... Hekela (talk) 22:43, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused. On the Tribute to Ancient Haivoissen page, it's pulling in a game link, but not an image. How is it doing one but not the other? Hekela (talk) 23:18, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Well we upload the icons on the wiki ourselves and those haven't been uploaded yet. The gamelink is just coded based on the provided ID. -Chieftain Alex 23:37, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Oh! Okay, thanks! Hekela (talk) 23:56, 30 December 2015 (UTC)