Talk:Queen Jennah

Source of this information can be found here: [1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kyuubi no Youko (talk • contribs).

It doesn't say anything about being descended from Doric. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 05:08, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

The monarchs of Ascalon, Kryta and Orr were all of Doric's bloodline, including Salma, who was restored to the throne after the fall of the White Mantle and whose descendant is Jennah. --Santax (talk · contribs) 09:28, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm assuming that the Prophecies manual says that the dynasties of Kryta and Orr are also descended from Doric. But "last known descendant" is ambiguous, and could be interpreted as implying that there are no other living members of the Krytan royal family. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 05:04, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

No it's implying that we just don't know if she has any family. We might not even know if she does have any family until we are actually playing GW2 and find out for ourselves. - Giant Nuker 12:19, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

If we don't know, it's just speculation, and shouldn't be here. Replacing "last known descendant" with "descendant" would limit this to what we know and remove the need for verification. Erasculio 13:05, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Last known descendant doesn't state she is the last - just the last we know of. Hence the "known". It's not speculation to state we don't know of any more, and it's important the reader is aware that descendants of Doric aren't commonplace, which "a descendant" isn't exactly sufficient for. --Santax (talk · contribs) 15:57, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

The way it's written implies that within the game world she's the last known descendent, not that we know only her to be a descendent. I agree with Gordon and Erasculio - it's ambiguous, and it's unnecessary as well. -- pling 16:30, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I can understand how it can be read that she is the last descendant, but that is a misinterpretation and was it not you, pling, who stated on the GWW that on the wikis we write from a player perspective, which means that this line should be interpreted as a "as far as the players know" in front of everything? Thus it would be stated the last we as players currently know.

Even if you do not add that, the last known descendant is, until we know of another living during GW2's time, completely true but in no way do I see it even hinting at Queen Jennah being the last descendant. It is written correctly, the only falsity that could arise would be the interpretation of the sentence which, if that person were to state last descendant then link, it would be obvious the person was mistaken. I honestly don't see an issue. And also, it cannot be written from an in-game view at the moment because there is no game (for the public that is), so if ever another descendant were to be found once the initial release of the game is released, which is probably more likely than not (cousins of the queen, children of the queen, parents of the queen, at least), we can simply edit the article. Though, as long as the article states that she is descended from Doric (which is true according to known lore), I am fine with removing the "last known" part. Just trying to state how I don't see it is "ambiguous and unnecessary." -- Konig/talk 17:50, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

/agrees with Konig. " Descendant of King Doric" implies that there is more than one descendant much more than " Last known descendant" implies that she's the only one. Eive Windgrace 12:44, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Mesmer?

Should we include that she's a Mesmer? --Amannelle 16:20, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

We would need something more reliable than one forum post... if it's true, just wait a bit and we'll see several sources making the claim, rather than just one ~Reez 16:29, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Multiple people have confirmed it. She uses many mesmer skills too! :D Including projecting her voice to a crowd. --98.19.151.198 20:49, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Don't see how projecting her voice to a crowd is a mesmer skill... What does that have to do with the mind or hypnotism? -- Konig/talk: 21:42, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

She even says "My kind of sorcery; Mesmerism" Is that not blatant enough for even you? :P 98.222.120.188 23:59, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Might wanna double-check where the word "mesmer" (in gw) originated from... Franz Mesmer --Neil • 12:38, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh, so we should just put that she's an elementalist. Are you all being serious? It's like ur trying to come up with any excuse to keep from just putting down her profession. 98.222.120.188 13:04, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Nothings confirmed until the games out. --Neil • 13:39, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Let's begin with GW 2(.1) shall we? --The Holy Dragons 14:43, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Also note that just because it still exists in lore doesn't mean it is a playable profession. :P -- Konig/talk 03:21, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Page 461 :D Bob soddoth 11:45, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm reading it on iBooks on my iPhone so that page number may not actually correspond to the actual book now i think about it ...It's chapter 15 anyway Bob soddoth 12:07, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Just trying to make sure we don't get put whatever on here... But awesome they're a mesmer :D. now we just need to hope it's a playable class so I can become even more impatient for gw2.~ Reez 14:49, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

They ???? --The Holy Dragons 22:45, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Konig, if you were anyone else, I would think you were trolling. I think even you can admit at this stage that mesmers are obviously in the game. Really. It is the single most blatantly telegraphed profession. Arshay Duskbrow 06:58, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

But are they a playable profession. I said that they still exist in lore, by this I mean that there will at least be NPCs which are mesmers. But outside a single concept art image, nothing has indicated that the mesmer is playable. Monks may be around as healer NPCs in GW2, but that won't make them playable. Am I trolling? No. Am I being serious? Yes. Is it without a doubt that mesmers are in the game? Yes. But as a player profession? Not yet. And do note: I'm hoping and thinking the mesmer will return. But it isn't confirmed yet, no matter how much we hope and think. -- Konig/talk 07:49, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Konig .. while they are indicated to be in the game .. we do not yet know if they are playable.. I'm guessing next reveal although I hope not after waiting this long as it will be far too obvious and a bit of an anti climax imo Bob soddoth 10:55, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I heard the next reveal is going to be the Caretaker using his/her powers to clean up dirt and your toilets! They also said it'll be an adventurer profession because cleaning is quite adventurous! imo --The Holy Dragons 11:59, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Anyway back on topic ... confirm Queen Jennah is a Mesmer or not ? Bob soddoth 12:25, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Having just read the book - the Queen is definitely a Mesmer (I would say with 99.5% certainty) but that does not necessarily mean that it will be a profession in GW2. ShadowRunner 12:35, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

read it already? :o --The Holy Dragons 12:39, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I picked it up on my kindle early yesterday and was reading for the majority of the day :D ShadowRunner 12:43, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

As per Konig; if any official GW2-related product states there are NPC's with a certain profession, it does not automatically mean there will be a playable profession in the game to reflect this. Like with GW1, some NPCs had 3 playable professions whereas others had no playable profession. Lore <> Game. - Infinite - talk 14:30, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

You do realise (at least im sure its been stated) that anything in the books can be complete canon? --Neil • 18:45, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

-oh, and for the lolz, screens plz.--Neil • 18:45, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

@Infinite: True, though when the profession is mentioned to be that of a NPC's that will be in the game, and the book are canon (not just "can be" as Neil stated), then it's rather certain that, in the game, the NPC will be a mesmer. Also, Jeff stated that they're trying to make the game and books as accurate to each other as possible and they even changed some bits of Ascalon City (a tower, I think) to match Ghosts of Ascalons' description. Also, with mesmer also being mentioned in GoA, a year prior to GW2, I doubt the profession will disappear off the face of Tyria by the time of GW2. -- Konig/talk 19:57, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I missed the part where I stated she can't be a Mesmer. :) - Infinite - talk 00:09, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

That would be because I misread your comment "it does not automatically mean there will be a playable profession in the game to reflect this." as saying that just because it's in the book doesn't mean it's in the game. Neil's comment furthered my misreading. :| -- Konig/talk 01:07, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

It's alright. =] - Infinite - talk 13:58, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Konig may very well be trolling... I said nothing about saying "She's a playable Mesmer", I specifically said we should put that she is a MESMER. You argue against this saying "we don't know if they are playable".... and that is a lousy excuse which has nothing to do with this. Honestly, I'm sorry to be so blunt with you, but you are clearly trolling, as you are not even trying to use intelligence in your response to me... --98.23.30.245 22:45, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

^ Me :D --Amannelle 22:46, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Since when were you the only poster? You didn't say such, but others were, and I'm sure even more were thinking such. Not to mention there were those like Neil stating "Nothings confirmed until the games out." I was stating that it is confirmed, but only so far as Jennah's profession and the profession existing in lore. I was not trolling. -- Konig/talk 23:50, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Konig does not equal troll. So far I've seen, ever. :P - Infinite - talk 11:41, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Ah, it makes much more sense, thank you. I thought you were directly responding to me, and because clearly such a response did not even address the question, it looked very much like trolling. :) I say such because Konig, you always respond with a well thought-out answer, and address each issue clearly. When I saw you did not do such, but rather fought what to me looked like a straw man, I could not believe you would act in such a way, and as such was near certain you couldn't be taking me seriously. :) It's wonderful to know that I was mistaken, and you aren't actually just trying to mess with people. --Amannelle 16:09, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) ...Meanwhile, I have added the notice about her profession to the article, mentioning some other things from Edge of Destiny as well. I would like to keep the information about how she's a descendant from King Doric and Salma at the notes section, instead of being the first thing stated in the article, in order to avoid beginning the page with links to GW1W. As I mentioned in my edit summary of the Shining Blade article, I think we shouldn't focus on a GW1 point of view for our articles, rather on a GW2 point of view. Erasculio 16:19, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Linking to gww is not focusing on gw2 info like the SB article did. It's a relevant fact and imo fits better up top than in a currently unnecessary notes section, and fits best there because it flows there, while it feels forced in elsewhere (or at the very least, due to varying opinions, it feels more forced elsewhere). Her heritage is important as it is why she's queen (which appears to be a plotline for humans) and it may prove to be of further importance, in both cases, direct importance to GW2, and not GW1. -- Konig/talk 01:57, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Putting this in WoW terms, Cairne.. owai... Fucking garrosh Baine isnt a warrior proffesion, but people in that game considered him to be a warrior, due to melle attacks. (oh, and no glowy shit like a holy warrior/paladin.) what im getting at is, jennah may be considered a mesmer, she might even use mesmer-like skills, but that doesnt nessiserily mean she IS a mesmer, oh, and making konig confused is fun. --Neil • 17:30, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Neil, she uses "Mesmerism", "Mesmer Magic", created a "Mesmeric Presence", and one high guard says "Our queen is a mesmer of extraordinary power". That is definitely confirmation enough. I know you hate mesmers, but don't let your bias block your use of logic, please. :D --Amannelle 17:40, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

If you weren't so nice i'de Totally go hatin' <3 --Neil • 17:53, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm not so nice; Neil, she's a Mesmer, get over it. <3 - Infinite - talk 17:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Stfu iffy--Neil • 17:59, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Have you read the book yet, Neil? :) It doesn't just imply she uses magic, but calls her a mesmer quite a few times, and refers to everything she does with "mesmer" in the word, whether it be the "Mesmeric Presence" she creates with "Mesmerism" at the Arena, or the fact she's called a powerful Mesmer, I think it's safe to assume she is one. ;) --Amannelle 18:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Buy me it <3 --Neil • 18:02, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

(reset)Queen Jennah is stated as being a powerful mesmer almost every time her character enters a scene, and in almost every scene she uses mesmer magic. Some notable examples include casting an illusion to amplify her voice and image to a crowd, casting an illusion to safeguard soldiers, and using some form of I am assuming domination magic (or at least a similar concept) to view someone's mind and past. It doesn't matter if the mesmer is a playable profession or not, it is very specifically stated and even emphasized that Jennah is in fact a mesmer. There is no question in my mind that it should be included in the article. Considering Edge of Destiny's canonical nature can we put this to rest and lock it away? 24.13.209.23 19:12, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

If you read the article you'd realize that it is in the article. -- Konig/talk 19:19, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

dont think much of her

Just finished reading EoD. I don't think much of this queen. I hope Logan doesn't actually this she cares about him, she's just using him. I dont think she' much better than Caithe's "sister". Ramei Arashi 07:40, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I am about 2/3 of the way through the book and I have just started thinking about Jennah possibly not genuinely caring for Logan but is in fact "using" him as you previously described. At this point I think Logan is blinded by his undying loyalty to the throne and his personal love for Jennah (let's face it...the author depicts her as a stunning beauty who no woman could surpass...). --Brandon02852 14:30, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Some of her letters to him, though, seem to show a form of caring. With each letter she starts dropping her honourifics before the core of the letter so that's familiarity. Also, she' a queen, used to using people to get the best outcome and always being above everyone, so she's going to come off as a tad frosty. However, this really isn't the section for discussing whether or not you like her and her relationship with Logan (I'm sure it'll be expanded upon in the game proper, or the next book). 68.144.77.185 20:56, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I find it funny that Logan doomed mankind so that he could get busy with the queen. — Omigawa t|c

Actually he probably saved mankind because he 1) saved the queen, thus preventing a civil war (/kept a entertainment-obsessed man from leading, dooming the military of humanity), and 2) inadvertently lead to the beginning of the human-charr treaty (and the charr>humanity in terms of force). -- Konig/talk 21:51, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

I'd say he probably doomed mankind.

...because if he saved mankind, he basically outshines anything my character is likely to do. A F K When Needed 18:08, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

^ I want to have the honor to slay all 5 Elder Dragons, not 4. - Infinite - talk 18:24, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Weapons?

Just out of curiosity, did she carry any sort of weapon, scepter, staff, special item that could be considered a focus, sword or something like that? It would help to guess wich weapon options will have the mesmers (yes, I know, mesmer not confirmed, maybe even her profession isn't in this game, but I just want to know if she displayed any weapon). Lokheit 20:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

1) Books are not limited by game mechanics (Logan wears leather armor in the beginning). 2) No. -- Konig/talk 20:58, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

What Konig said. Eive 22:14, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Old news now I know, but Logan was a scout in the beginning too xD Just thought I'd throw that out 71.68.238.112 12:11, 27 October 2012 (PDT)

Scout isn't a profession, it's an occupation. He was always a guardian (at the very beginning of EoD he uses a spell very similar to Wall of Reflection). Konig/talk 12:46, 27 October 2012 (PDT)

first paragraph

"Queen Jennah, descendant of King Doric and Queen Salma" makes it sound like King Doric and Queen Salma were husband and wife rather than Queen Salma being a decendant of King Doric. Ramei Arashi 09:20, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

There, that should make it a bit easier of a read. -Yossitaru 09:45, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

It could use improvement

Obviously we do not know a lot about Jennah yet so I'm not expecting a wonderful world class article here, but it is still a little bit lacking. I'm no writer or wiki guru, but I did come up with the following block of text. Feel free to recycle and reuse any of it as you see fit if it will help the article. I'm posting here on the talk page so that someone that knows how to do it right will fix it up, lol.

"Queen Jennah is the current reigning monarch of the human Kingdom of Kryta. She leads her people from the Krytan capitol, Divinity's Reach, and is regarded as one of Kryta's more popular rulers. Jennah is a descendant of both Queen Salma, hero of the Krytan civil war (1072-1079 AE), and King Doric, Tyria's first human king.

Despite her popularity and lineage, Jennah is locked in a stiff rivalry with Legate Minister Caudecus, who holds the Ministry's highest office. Like many of the Krytan nobles, Caudecus is unhappy with some of Jennah's decisions, which has caused a heated political environment within Divinity's Reach. While the Krytan people show support for Jennah, there are those that feel Caudecus would be better suited on the throne.

Under Queen Jennah's rule, Kryta has formed a fragile peace with the charr. Through her actions in 1320 AE and in 1324 AE, Jennah has made it possible for Tyria's human and charr populations to coexist peacefully for the first time perhaps in history. The norn regard Jennah as weak and dependent on her advisors, but hold hope that her actions will prove her strength and dominance over her people.

[[Category:Important figures]] [[Category:Krytans]] [[Category:Edge of Destiny characters]]"

Anyway I hope you guys can make good use of this, sorry if I screwed any of the lore points up. Crenel 20:02, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't the page say she's ruler of the humans of Kryta, rather than Tyria? There is much more to Tyria than just Kryta and she is NOT empress of Tyria. Technically she doesn't even rule all of Kryta. Lion's Arch is no longer just a human city anymore and doesn't accept her as its ruler, for example. Ramei Arashi 06:49, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

"Queen of Kryta, Regent of Ascalon" is technically her title. Therefore, she does rule over humans in Tyria - because outside the nationalless folks (e.g., bandits), she rules over the only two groups of humanity in Tyria (continent). Lion's Arch isn't a human city therefore she doesn't need to rule LA in order to be ruler of the human (nations). She's the "top ruler figure" humanity on Tyria has, so to speak. -- Konig/talk 15:40, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Interesting how I failed to copy paste that day. - Infinite - talk 23:57, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Summon

Who read the book? Is it actually a summon, or just mental connection allowing to call? ~~ Kiomadoushi 04:36, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I would check, but I let a friend borrow the book. Do you mean her calling Logan? - 04:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

The term used is "summons," as in sending a message/messanger to a person to meet with the sender. Not a summon, as making him appear out of thin air. The edit would be correct. Konig/talk 05:13, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

thanks konig, can't always trust those IPs... ~~ Kiomadoushi 05:26, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Pedantic question

Do we know Kryta is a queendom, rather than a kingdom currently ruled by a queen? Holy Mountains 17:14, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Ignore that, already reverted, although queendom is a word. Specifically it describes a monarchy where the line of succession runs through the female line. Holy Mountains 17:17, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Going through the books, Kryta is only refered to as "the last human kingdom" once in Ghosts of Ascalon, beginning of chapter 6. In one of queen's letters to Logan in Edge of Destiny she only refers to it with the generic term "nation" (before chapter 21). Blog posts occasionally call it a kingdom too. Since it looks like nobody ever called it a queendom I say we either stick with kingdom, or use the more generic term nation. --zeeZ (talk) 18:21, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Queendom is only applicable if the nation had exclusively queens as rulers, but the first ruler of Kryta was Doric, so I guess kingdom is more appropriate. Aqua (T|C) 19:41, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

"the first ruler of Kryta was Doric" Kind Doric died in 1 BE/Year 0; Kryta was established as a colony in 300 AE. Unless Kryta was ruled by a 500 year old ghost, Doric never ruled Kryta (though Lion's Arch was established as his summer retreat it seems). Doric is just a descendant of Salma (and in turn the current ruler).

Incorrect facts and nitpicking aside, we know for a fact that Jennah's father was the previous ruler, so it isn't a queendom anyways. And even if he wasn't, the monarch before Salma was her father. Konig/talk 22:21, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Advisers vs Advisors

Actually both spellings are correct, and in this case neither is a US vs UK variant. Both are accepted all over the world. To the best of my knowledge, the margin of usage between the two doesn't vary entirely too much in the US. Venom20 23:46, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

As a non-native, I would recommend sticking to the current instance; advisors, as it is more consistent with equal type "-ors" words used to document information on this wiki. - Infinite - talk 00:00, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Firefox bugs me in that it marks advisor wrong. But as Venom said, both are correct (however, I thought that advisor was a UK variant... Well, I'm not very knowledgeable in terms of UK spellings of words). Konig/talk 00:58, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

As did I, until I read this blurb from englishrules.com. I'm unsure how reputable the site is, but I believe them. On a side note, in FF I use the elnglish/Canadian dictionary and it marks advisor incorrectly, but when I use the english/US dictionary it marks it as correct. Venom20 03:03, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Priorities

Is it more relevant that Queen Jennah is a mesmer and she has a guard, as well as her relationship with a single human being compared to how she rules her subjects and all the other political stuff in the article? Just thinking about placing most important information to first paragraph rather than latter. Mediggo 15:44, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Shadow has a blank emote

Since there isn't an article dedicated to her (grey?) cat yet, leaving note here for now. When interacting with it, it does a blank emote -- this can only be seen with both timestamps and emotes active (the line shows up as just the timestamp and thus is "blank"). This is seen on all four languages and is a possible bug (build 15,360). BryghtShadow 14:49, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Any article or information regarding the royal family tree/bloodline/lineage?

Is there a diagram somewhere showing the entire family tree of human royalties? (starting from Doric, including all former kings and nobles of Orr, Ascalon, and Kryta, such as Barradin, Adelbern, Rurik, Reza, Salma, etc.)

I think too much is not known to make such a diagram. Doric lived 14 centuries ago (observing from the current timeline). Mad King Thorn was a krytan king bout 4 century's ago. Between Doric and Thorn we know almost nothing.195.240.63.18 12:43, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

I've been working on a Family Tree the last couple of days. Just saw your question now, so that was convenient! :)

Please have a look and let me know. ---- Titus The Third 20:16, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Edit: please refer to the newly created Tyrian Royalty family tree. Titus The Third 16:14, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Edit request

Merge with [[Queen Jennah/draft]]. Formatting, adding locations, and expanding the intro section. --Santax (talk · contribs) 15:31, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

why champion rank? kill her to get boxes? :p -Chieftain Alex 15:51, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Just how she appears in-game, like Anise. --Santax (talk · contribs) 16:35, 26 April 2014 (UTC)