Talk:Rytlock Brimstone/Archive 1

Erasculio edit

Why would it not have the same name in GW2? Things don't magically change their names, and if we did have a FDS article, we could just leave a note saying the name is unconfirmed, better than just leaving it unlinked. --Santax (talk · contribs) 20:04, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

There's nothing preventing that sword from being a different kind of fire sword, just like GW1 has Fiery Dragon Swords and Fiery Gladius. There is no statement that he would be holding a Fiery Dragon Sword, or even that those still exist in GW2, or even that they are so common (especially considering all the lore about Ascalon's Fiery Dragon Swords). We don't need to fill the articles here with speculation. Erasculio 20:14, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Except in concept art, and indeed fleetingly for a couple of gameplay videos, we can see that he is not wielding a Fiery Gladius, but a FDS, which is our current best bet because there are simply no other swords in the game that resemble Rytlock's weapon. It's not speculation to simply state what you see, although if you like I could add a qualifier saying "...wields what appears to be a FDS".

An article on Devourers would be acceptable, because we have seen them in the recent gameplay video, but I doubt you'd have it deleted on the grounds that we don't know if they're called Devourers or something else yet. As Douglas Adams said, "If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family Anatidae on our hands". --Santax (talk · contribs) 20:32, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

We also have to consider the possibility that adding irrelevant content that may be wrong to the wiki is pointless. Doesn't matter if it's your "current best bet", and stating that "there are simply no other swords in the game that resemble Rytlock's weapon" is a joke, given how you don't know which swords exist in GW2 (and you don't know what FDS look like in GW2, you don't know what a Fiery Gladius look like in GW2, etc, etc). There is no need to add that piece of information to this page, especially as it's only your guess. I don't even understand why are you discussing this - do you really think it would make the wiki significantly more complete if it had such a note? Erasculio 22:08, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

No. I just wanted to include as much information as I can rather than leave something out that is likely to be true. I now realize that this is only a minor note and isn't really worth discussing, I've just had a strange day and needed to take my mind off things. Sorry. --Santax (talk · contribs) 23:47, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Just for people who would like to know, we do know what a GW2 FDS looks like now. Also, yes, that is being held by Rytlock. (Still shouldn't be on the page.) -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 07:48, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Image

Do we know that the guy in the concept art is actually Rytlock? Maybe it would be better to have a screenshot from the video? (Satanael | talk) 17:18, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

It was uploaded on the CA forums with the filename Rytlock.jpg :) --Santax (talk · contribs) 17:31, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

It would be cool to have the most recent illustration of him. But instead of a screenshot, use the wallpaper from the website (cropping out the 'Guild Wars 2' bit). -- pling 17:45, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

We have Kekai's version of the wallpaper w/o the logo, so I'll just add that.-- Shew 18:06, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Lineage

Is Rytlock Brimstone a descendent of Pyre Fierceshot?--Copper Legray 02:13, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Nothing points to this. Only descendant of Pyre we know of is Kalla Scorchrazor. -- Konig/talk 03:17, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I did hear he was gay though. Appropriate since most charr are flaming. Someone from anet told me but I can't divulge my sourceVidal 11:06, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Who are you talking about Rytlock or Pyre? And as for your "source" if there is no official info from A-net, then its not true. No matter how badly we want it or not. DBZVelena | (Talk page) 13:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

As much as we all like Kittystyle , im sure they're not gay, probly just nice charr though, considering the fact they havent eaten you yet. --Neil • 13:48, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey, the charr are awesome!! Gschmechel25 02:44, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

The guy who does the voice of Rytlock Brimstone also did the voice of Pyre Fierceshot.-- Ocarinamaster 14:12, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

And how is that related to this topic? ^^ --The Holy Dragons 14:18, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I have no idea. ;) --Ocarinamaster 16:25, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

LULZ

gw1:Runar Brimstone Relation Lulz.--Neil • 19:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

But if that guy's a Dwarf and Rytlock's a charr...OHGODbadimages. Zolann The Irreverent 22:14, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Or it is just 'a-desperate-search-for-connections-between-GW1-and-GW2-because-I-don't-know-what-to-do-anymore!' action. -- Cyan 22:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Or that, yeah. Zolann The Irreverent 22:54, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I like my connection better, tbh. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 01:45, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

@ Sparky I always wondered if that was intentional or if it was a "D'OH!" --Ravencroft0 10:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Confused

Why is this Rytlock still against the Humans? Even after serving Destiny Edge? I mean, he could have glared at Ember Doomforge and order her to release Dougal and Riona. --173.66.189.216 22:35, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

He's probably indifferent. Nothing says he's against humans. -- Konig/talk 22:57, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Why would he want them released? He doesn't know who they are and as far as he knew releasing them would just screw up Ember's assignment for no reason. Not to mention it would look weird to everyone else for a prominent charr leader to do something like that.99.1.41.126 22:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

You don't question the guy who can beat the living shit out of you.--Emmisary 03:04, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Your shit is living? That's nasty. (Satanael | talk) 19:04, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, he lets Ember go through his camp and even reports a boat scuttled so that she can take it to keep from being found by the other charr in the area, letting her get their party to Ascalon. He probably doesn't have much against humans, but doesn't trust them, due to how Logan abandoned Destiny's Edge before the battle with Kralkatorrik, causing not only their failure but the death of Snaff as well. In all likelyhood he just wanted them out of his hair, because he doesn't like dealing with things that could turn out to be more trouble than they're worth. ~Cynn 05:13, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Category

For browsing all the different charr names (for name origin references) I thought all the charr would have been categorised in the charr category, hence. - Infinite - talk 16:19, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

That's a (bad and redundant, imo) auto-categorization via the NPC template over on the GWW. It's not the case over here yet, if it ever will be. -- Konig/talk 19:31, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Without reference to what it is, I just wanted to make sure my name proposals weren't already known charr. It took quite a while to find all charr we know of. (Not opting for anything, just commenting on my experience and my edit that was, admittedly correctly, removed.) - Infinite - talk 19:48, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Suggest adding

Rytlock Brimstone: “Life doesn’t stop being funny just because the dead can’t laugh.” In his youth, Rytlock wasn’t the strongest charr; he wasn’t the most inventive or the most skilled. The one thing Rytlock had to his credit was pure, vicious ruthlessness–the dedication of someone who does not know what it means to flinch. His dark sense of humor masks a cunning, careful mind. He has risen quickly through the ranks of the Blood Legion to become a Tribune of great renown. He stands foremost among the soldiers of the Black Citadel, carrying a sword of fire and leading their armies to greatness.

From Kitchen Sink post Ruse (talk) 02:17, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Sohothin Found?

According to an image here of the second book, Edge of Destiny, Logan claims Rytlock has Rurik's sword, Sohothin. And Rytlock doesn't deny it. Hard to tell with an excerpt image, but that would be interesting... -- Konig/talk 13:18, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

TY for the link Konig! :3 --The Holy Dragons20:44, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm really starting to wonder how he got Sohothin...--|Ocarinamaster 10:00, 1 January 2011

Went to the fire islands.. duh? --Neil • 15:12, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

and Ocarinamaster your sig is broken :P --The Holy Dragons 15:13, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

He also might have killed someone who got it from the Ring of Fire. -- Konig/talk 21:07, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. :) --|Ocarinamaster 16:20, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Offhand

Why he isn't wielding any item on his offhand? His sword doesn't seem to be big enough to be 2 handed. I mean... he is wasting 2 slots on his skill bar :P Lokheit 22:32, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

His claws are his offhand. - Giant Nuker 23:18, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

He wields a shield. There's no need to have it out all the time. He has Sohothin out so people know that he's invincible. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 23:26, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

NPCs don't act the same as PCs. -- Konig/talk 00:03, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Rytlock is overpowered. Nerf it. Eive 05:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Rytlock is awesome, i made him as DnD character as fightable NPC... the party wiped. He didn't have an offhand, though in the books he sometimes wears a shield if i am correct, correct me if im wrong or support me with a page number 213.132.215.62 15:17, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

"He has Sohothin out so people know that he's invincible." Uhh... 12.42.15.210 04:08, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Profession

Is it worth noting that Rytlock is a Thief? In this video he is seen wielding his legendary sword in his main-hand and a pistol in his offhand (seen at 6:32-6:51)

You beat me, I was going to say the same thing :P I was like wtf? Wasn't he supposed to be wearing heavy armor? But it makes sense and other Charr Thieves have a similar look on their equipment, so it's a possibility... but then wich profession Caithe is? As Rytlock doesn't look too sneaky, maybe he was a thief that chose the headband brawler option on his bio xD Lokheit 22:42, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I say he is a warrior while Caithe is the thief. Caithe easily disappears and reappears. She has precision strikes. Rytlock's second hand pistol could just be like the charr skill "Hidden Pistol", where the user just pulls a random pistol out of no where and uses it. Besides, he is charr, they are always using heavier artillery. He is also an NPC and since they don't have to mechanic the same as players, he could just be a pistol wielding warrior. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.140.47.76 (talk).

Was beaten to it. NPCs are said to not be limited to the things that PCs are. Also, there's at least one charr racial that uses a pistol - though Rytlock's not using that, as said Hidden Pistol only allows a single shot. Point being: I wouldn't say he's not a warrior. I wouldn't say he is either. Konig/talk 00:44, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Man, that gun's got quite a kick in his hand... shouldn't he be strong enough to control it? seems like unrealistic animations to me. --Thunderduck 2:48 2 July 2011 (UTC)

You mean the recoil? Maybe the charr have some heavy-recoil guns for them (and norn) to use. Think of the cricket from Men in Black. :p Konig/talk 04:00, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Maybe NPC's doesn't need to be of a particular profession, but his teamate Logan is a confirmed Guardian and Eir is a confirmed Ranger. I would expect most of the "relevant NPCs" to have an specific profession. He holds the pistol for enough time to think it's a weapon and not a skill, but who knows. Maybe they could be expanding the options for some professions. It's rare that he wears an armor like that (though being charr the armor could be lighter than what it seems for someone of his race)and have sword + pistol. We will see where it ends. Lokheit 21:14, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Or it could be that NPCs may be of certain professions in that they use the professions' skills (alongside non-profession skills) but are not limited to the armor/weapons of the profession. Konig/talk 21:48, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I would hazard the guess that the main heroes of GW2 will still use the multi-classing from GW1, It would make sense for Rytlock to be a Warrior/Engineer capable of using various abilities that he just doesn't choose to utilize often. It could of course also be the charr racial "Hidden Pistol" that happens to have a very short cooldown for him. ~Cynn 05:24, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

He is clearly a Warrior. Blood Legion, heavy armor, and yang to Logan's Guardian yin. Arshay Duskbrow 07:11, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I suppose many history-related heroes will use exclusively monster skills, similarly to the allies seen in guild wars beyond, so i think we cannot say one particular storyline ally must be bound to a single profession. In addition to that, consider that not every NPC needs to fight along with you, so things like armor and weapons could be only cosmetics for some npc. CaiusTheBig 08:05, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm a charr warrior too, and I can carry a pistol too — Hidden Pistol
—Faalagorn☎/✓ 15:42, 22 October 2012 (UTC).

EDIT: Duh , stupid me. I think though that the note is irrelevant, since NPC aren't quite tied to the same professions system as players (Ascalonian Monk), and even if he is a warrior, they can use pistols, so there's nothing unusual in this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Faalagorn (talk • contribs).

AFAIK, Rytlock uses this pistol to attack from range as he likes, and not in the way Hidden Pistol works (retreat, recharge, etc.). As said, game mechanic wise NPCs aren't tied to any player professions (even if they use skills from player professions), but from lore perspective, Rytlock definitely goes for a charr warrior. Mediggo 15:56, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

But lore-wise there is nothing agaist letting warriors use pistols, as seen in the aftermentioned Hidden Pistol example :).
—Faalagorn☎/✓ 02:44, 23 October 2012 (UTC).

Gladium??

Why does this page claim Rytlock is a gladium? Where is the evidence for this? Yes, he has some issues with his warband and is working independently from them, but this alone does not make a charr a gladium. See the Legions of the Charr blog entry: "There is a concrete difference between gladium and charr who have been assigned away from their warbands." Rytlock is currently a Tribune, for goodness sake, which hardly seems a position that a gladium would be permitted to fill. BrettM 21:51, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't feel like searching the internet and pages in the books to confirm if this is right or not. so I'd suggest asking Konig --The Holy Dragons 22:00, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

I'll have to re-read EoD to check this for certain. An ip added it and I recalled that there was mention of him being separated from his warband (I recalled "gladium by choice" rather than "assigned away from his warband" - Rytlock self-imposed a mini-exile), so I just assumed good faith. The original wording was terrible (imo) so I rewrote it but kept the gladium bit in there. Konig/talk 19:09, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

I just reread the relevant passage, and the word gladium is never used. I would be very concerned about leaving this in there, because I don't believe it's true. It only says Rytlock volunteered for an assignment to help the Iron Legion to get away from his own Warband, but it never claimed he was a gladium. Rytlock said, when asked why he left, that he doesn't suffer fools gladly. But it doesn't say that he's a gladium and to draw that conclusion, even though there is a small chance it might be true (though I doubt it)...it's just not something that can/should be factually stated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vayne (talk • contribs).

He did leave his warband, essentially permanently, and the gladium page is ambiguous about whether a gladium's warband has died or they just abandoned it. Rytlock definitely abandoned his in the long run, unless he joined back up afterward, and what motivation does he show for doing that? He's a tribune and a legend in his own right, so he can afford to not bother suffering fools, though I'm not sure whether he counts as a gladium anymore if he's a tribune, since being a gladium is supposed to be shameful (iirc). --ஸ Kyoshi 14:59, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

His quote

Am I the only one who got LOTR shivers when watching the trailer? The first part is almost verbatim about Uruk Hai while the camera descends into the Isengard pit, I mean flame legion thingy. The music is even the same with same trumpet notes as the LOTR themesong PAA PAA PAP AAA PA PAAA PAA PAAA... And then shaking the foundations of the earth... which is from Galadriel. Please tell me this is not a rip off.62.159.14.62 08:58, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

All of fantasy genre is rip off of Tolkien's works. :p But the scene you mentioned isn't a rip because it's still original work with original creatures, locations and themes. It could still be unconsciously inspired by it, but the odds are we will never know if a designer's favorite movie trilogy is Lord of the Rings or Star Wars, so it's not really worth discussing in my opinion. Mediggo 11:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Rename/move

I am against it. I think we should just make it be a redirect. if we know the full name for someone we should use it.- Zesbeer 23:42, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Move. I favor the guideline used at GWW: article titles should match the in-game name; redirects for any synonym, including full names. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 23:50, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) We tend to use the in-game name of the NPC, since that's most likely to be used in search and is the technical name of the NPC even if the lore's name for the figure is something different. E.g., in Gladium Canton of Black Citadel which has a human NPC called The Al'Seen, but his lore name is Alain - what do we go with? The Al'Seen will be the one used in searches, not Alain which is only found to actually be his real name through another human NPC in the area. Similarly for Caudecus and his full name/title - few, if anyone, will be searching Legate Minister Caudecus Beetlestone, and few will be searching Caudecus Beetlestone, but many will likely search the NPC's name, Minister Caudecus. Same with Countess Anise, who's NPC name is simply "Anise". Konig/talk 23:50, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Ok then we need to change Logan and Eir because if I remember correctly there names show up as just "Eir" and "Logan"- Zesbeer 23:53, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Logan's NPC name is Logan Thackeray. At least he is during the tutorial and first few street story steps. Can't speak about Eir atm. Konig/talk 00:05, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Against, the dialogue of the first mission clearly states that "Tribune Brimstone has ordered me to the crypt, but I'm too torn up to make it." when referring to Rytlock--101.98.182.243 22:52, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

but that's not the name of the npc in game its just someone referring to him.- Zesbeer 22:54, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

(Reset indent) It's an arbitrary decision whether to always use the in-game name, the formal name (i.e. with title/honorifics), the common name, or treat each NPC differently. I'm against the last method, because it leads to dozens of unproductive repeats of this type of discussion. I suggested the GWW guideline (in-game name) b/c: (a) it works and (b) it's unambiguous. However, as long as we have the necessary redirects, I'm okay with any choice as long as we can establish a clear guideline. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:54, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

You guys should also keep in mind that last names are not written in stone for the charr. If Rytlock's previous warband was the Brim warband, he might have wanted to get rid of that name if he's no longer part of the warband. Whatever the reason, we should keep NPC names on the wiki as they appear in-game while including formal names and titles such as Legate Minister or Tribune. Mediggo 16:59, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

As of BWE2 Rytlocks NPC name is Rytlock Brimstone in the mission. Rytlock Brimstone--Saranis 07:34, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

And another Screenshot of him in the Blood Legion Quarters... Rytlock Brimstone as I think this shows that this NPC's name has been changed to reflect his FULL NAME in both game and lore, I'm removing the request for move. --Saranis 07:55, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Hmm.. neither pic is available anymore. -- ab.er.rant 15:11, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

I do see the pics and there he does have the full name - Rytlock Brimstone. ***EAGLEMUT*** TALK 15:27, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Monster/npc rank?

He is a legendary class as is Eir, Garm, and Logan. If you look at their portraits, you can clearly see its purple with two swords. Its a good thing they are on our side.Yumiko ^,~ 02:53, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Dye

Does anyone know what armor dye Rytlock Brimstone uses? i know ash is the main but i cant find the other one anyone know? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.107.60.25 (talk) at 23:28, 12 November 2012 (UTC).

Voice Actor

That epic moment when you realize that Rytlock is played by Steve Blum. Which means Rytlock is Amon, from The Legend of Korra. That's so cool. 76.27.73.198 23:44, 18 November 2012 (UTC)