Talk:Order of Whispers

Are we supposed to quote The Movement of the World or anything? Currently, the second-fourth paragraph is straight from the movement of the world. Calor (t) 00:31, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd prefer it if people didn't quote the Movement of the World, and rather just linked to it instead, but since there's technically no rule against it the most we can do is rewrite articles that have passages from tMotW copied verbatim. --Santax (talk · contribs) 18:19, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm fine with quoting the Movement of the World, perhaps with a "see also" link at the bottom to tMotW so people can read more. Calor (t) 18:50, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

i vote just a "see also" link at the bottom ^Teo^ 00:01, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

"see also" makes it look more professional. -- Armond Warblade 08:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Too bad it isn't there anymore. Cress Arvein 23:39, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Speculation-wise, the dredge have tunnels leading from Tyria to Cantha, perhaps something similar leading to Elona? Eive Windgrace 05:42, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I Take it youve never been to Sorrows Furnace in GW1, They have had Dredge there since the Beginging, they broke Slavery, now own Underground citys.Simple?--Neil2250 , The Zoologist 21:58, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Due to the Depths of Tyria being overrun by Primordus and his minions, and we're told they have taken over the surface areas with their main base around Sorrow's Furnace. I won't expect any underground areas except for maybe Sorrow's Furnace. -- Konig/talk 23:20, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm late rejoining this, but @Neil, Much of that sentence either wasn't proper grammar or wasn't a response to my comment. I've completed Sorrow's Furnace twice now, so not sure what that has to do with anything. By "They" you mean the Stone Summit? Ok...(Still not a response) The second "they" refers to the dredge I would assume, and I know they broke slavery, I helped. :P And "Now own Underground citys.Simple?" isn't really a response to anything... The dredge have tunnels leading to Cantha, so I don't see why it isn't possible that they might have some tunnels to Elona however unlikely it may be. Dredge are larger than people, so I don't see why the Orders of Whispers couldn't use the same tunnels. @Konig, it doesn't say anywhere that the Destroyers have moved into Sorrow's Furnace. Eive 08:09, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I wasn't clear: "they have taken over the surface..." is in reference to the dredge, not destroyers. -- Konig/talk 08:43, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

I actually understood that part, but I'd thought you meant that the Destroyers had taken over nearly all underground areas, including Sorrow's Furnace. I was mistaken about that...Either way, I'm not talking about us going into any underground areas, just that this is a slim possibility that could explain how the OoW move from continent to continent. Eive 10:02, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Theory

Maybe they move between the continents via the Junundu, like the player characters did. Just a thought/speculation. 151.196.179.156 18:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

There's a reason the player couldn't go outside the desolation with them, besides game mechanics; most terrain is too tough for junundu. They travel through sand and sulfur easily though. --ஸ Kyoshi 20:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Although it could be possible that they can traverse the Crystal Desert with them.... Remember the Desolation leads directly to the Crystal Desert, as long as they find a nice, sandy path they could probably make it all the way up. That, however, doesn't explain how they'd get past Kralkatorrik. Eive 05:05, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

I think it has somthing to do with the Order ilfiltrating jokos army. Victor6267 05:16, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't doubt that the Order would infiltrate Joko's army, but I think how they get to and from would be via an asura gate. That, or the Depths of Tyria - through an area Primordus hasn't stretched to yet (or they're battling the new-gen destroyers daily... alongside stone dwarves?). -- Konig/talk 06:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

"How does the Order of Whispers get past the Sulfurous Wastes, Joko and his army, Kralkatorrik and his minions, miles of desert, Zhaitan, Orrians, and presumably formidable and hostile wildlife?"

Very carefully. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 01:46, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually... --ஸ Kyoshi 04:26, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

remember the asura gate beneath kamadan? gates can be tuned in and out of each other so they probably use that, and have asurans to maintain and upgrade them since the order is inter-racial Getefix 22:44, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

I find that sort of plausable- cept uno problamo.... Destroyers chase you away from the gate in "the begining of the end" in GW1. Necro Shea Mo 23:59, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

I question the canonocity of both gw1:I Feel the Earth Move Under Cantha's Feet and gw1:Hole of Istan. It is impossible for 3 locations to go to one room (this is before using the asura gate), and it is impossible for the same NPCs to be in three places at once. Likewise, each take place specifically underneath a different city proving that it isn't just that we're all going to the same location from three different beginning places (plus it's not long enough - we're not crossing an ocean in the Canthan way to get to EN). In turn, I question the idea that there's an asura gate underneath Kamadan and Kaineng City. Also, why would dwarves be under those two cities? They live in Tyria, so why would they be in other continents - and for that matter, why would the Destroyers be there before appearing on the surface of the continent of Tyria? It just doesn't make sense to think of those two quests as canon - it makes as much sense as thinking gw1:Terror in Tyria and gw1:Plague in Cantha are canon to lore due to the fact that the quests talk about events that happened 3 years prior to Nightfall (they aren't canon). /endrant-- Konig/talk 01:24, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Would have been nice for them to have the quests make sense lore-wise. The same goes for the time travelling for Canthan/Elonian characters who play through previous campaigns.-- Shew 02:03, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

There wouldn't be much reason to travel if they did make sense. "They there's no threat in Kryta, but I can take you there if you want!" "Hey, that plague from three years ago is all good, wanna go to Cantha?" Just doesn't fit that urgency which the players will meet once they get to Tyria/Cantha. -- Konig/talk 19:27, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

The Corporal did it. - Infinite - talk 20:11, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

XD lol... True, true. @Konig, what you said has confused me.... :(-- Necro Shea Mo 04:45, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

History

"They played an important part during the event of Nightfall in 1075 AE through aiding Kormir in claiming her throne..." That throne remark appears to refer to gw1:Salma during WiK, which was four years after Nightfall. Kormir got a statue, not a throne. -- Tekn0mancer (Talk) 03:44, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Kormir got the gw1:Throne of Secrets, but the "throne" line is metaphorical for the throne of godhood. It does not refer to Salma as the Order of Whispers had no known interaction with the war in Kryta. Not all thrones are for royalty. Also turned your links into short-hand. Konig/talk 04:08, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

OK, but even with it being a metaphor (and of course with the page being about the OW in the first place), that wording seems to create more ambiguity than necessary. If it's not a direct quote from something, I'd say change the word "throne" to "godhood" or "divinity" for clarity. Alternately, change it from "claiming her throne" to "claiming the Throne of Secrets," which is more specific while still remaining a bit vague (assuming we care about spoilers for the preceding game). Poetic metaphor is nice and all, but shouldn't a Wiki aim for presenting info a bit more directly? PS, I like that shortcode trick, is it usable for any GW1W link? -- Tekn0mancer (Talk) 12:16, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

We don't care for gw1 spoilers; throne is, imo, not ambiguous as it specifically says Kormir - the chance of people thinking its not about Kormir when she is explicitly stated is, tbh, so small that I'm surprised anyone did; interwiki links work for all gww and wiki links.Konig/talk 15:33, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Why use a metaphor when you can say the actual thing and therefore make more sense? "Achieving godhood" is much, much better than "claiming her throne". The ambiguity is not really about who it's talking about, but what it means; and I'm guessing most people will link "throne" to a literal throne and kingdom instead of godhood. As Tekn0mancer said, wikis are better when information is presented clearly, not in ambiguous poetic metaphor. pling 18:06, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I didn't think that it wasn't about Kormir, or that the OW had any part of WiK. It's just that when you think "Kormir," the first thing you think of is probably not claiming a throne, it's becoming a god. Throne-claiming instead has that mental association with Salma. Just for the record, since it's been changed. I'm not that stupid. ;) -- Tekn0mancer (Talk) 23:10, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to add some pictures here

I have three screenshots, each of which show a female norn wearing one of the sets of the order of whispers armor. How do I go about adding these pictures without doing it horribly wrong and pissing everybody off?--T-Lo 23:29, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Just splash it somewhere under the armor section, and someone will deal with it. Posting anykind of info is better than none at all. --77.36.50.9 22:19, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

I have taken screenshots of the armorsets as well as the weapons, I will be updating this weekend, unless someone beats me to it :) (Luthien Sarnorvel 22:26, 14 September 2012 (UTC))

I don't understand why we're putting the armor sets on these order articles. Shouldn't there be osmething like, say, [[Gallery of Whispers armor]] or something? Konig/talk 23:31, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Done. Working on the prices and stuff now, as shown on the Priory galery page Edit; I can't quite figure out the item icon thing (Rather new to wiki editing) so, I'm leaving that to someone else. (Ducilia Nightarrow 08:14, 15 September 2012 (UTC))

To clarify, I don't know how to attach the file to the wiki. It looks like the human/norn armors are similar, but there may be subtle differences that are worth pointing out, so I'll go ahead and try to upload them when I find out how. --T-Lo 16:32, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

The armors are the same for all races, only with different dimensions to make up for changed size (and norn/charr shoulders are larger) - except female asura and female charr, which is the same as the male armor. Konig/talk 19:24, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Adding "related" items?

Would it be wrong to post items that are "related" to the Order? Such as the Secret Message, Decoder Ring, etc..? 72.201.8.180 02:45, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

"... has a base inside each major city"?

I'm not sure this is true. I mean, they don't have a place that's openly theirs in Rata Sum, Hoelbrak, Divinity's Reach, and the Black Citadel like they do in Lion's Arch and The Grove. I'm sure they've got operatives and hidden stations everywhere, but it's odd that their presence is pretty clear (to players at least) in two particular capitals but not in others. I admit my toon who joined the Order hasn't become a full member yet in his Personal Storyline and will only see such when he's fully initiated, or that perhaps it's something ANet will add this in the future. --Messenger 09:49, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Exploring the Black Citadel, I found their place in Canton Factorium. Nice. Their base is a bar (Serrated Blade Tavern). As such, I'm going to keep an eye out for their other places in the other capitals (the place corresponding to them in Divinity's Reach, for example, is conspicuously not occupied by them). Any help would be appreciated. --Messenger 10:56, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Maiden's Whisper - Willow in the basement has OoW responses. It's only Haolbrak and Rata Sum where a base hasn't been found (afaik), though they seem to hold more hidden Whispers agents than the others. The OoW's open presence in the Grove is actually lampshaded by an NPC there who finds it weird that an organization of secrecy is so open (to which the pc can respond with "they're more open here than elsewhere"). Four of the six cities have a OoW base at a PoI, so the other two may as well. 67.176.148.189 11:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Based on their base in Lornar's Pass, I suspect ANet took the time to hide their presence with Easter Egg mechanics. :-) Once my alt becomes a full member of the Order, I'll re-check the cities. --Messenger 06:20, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

I managed to find a lone asura named Marpo just east of The Aquatarium behind the stairway, seems his cover is working for the inquest. EDIT: Also Dotta near the Fang of the Serpent in Hoelbrak, I think shes the only one, as she says the order is preoccupied with risen in the south.Yata (talk) 22:32, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Feedback 2016/09/03

The passage "including a hidden base in the sewers of Lion's Arch" is out of date/historical —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.224.26.21 (talk • contribs).

Thanks for the notice, I've tweaked the text to match the current info. —Ventriloquist 17:45, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

'Hidden' NPC dialogue

There are a bunch of NPCs that reveal additional dialogue pertaining to being undercover if you talk to them as a Whispers (compared to someone of vigil or priory). Should a list of them be mentioned? (Fortuna Dirgecaller for example, also that one charr up in the Priory, at least three more,...) -- Kiega123456789ooo (talk) 10:24, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Quote

All the other Orders have a quote at the top, should we have one here and if so what should it be? ~~Trevor95251 21:36, 8 October 2018 (UTC)