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Definition[edit]

Defining any consumable that grants effects as food seems a bit broad, there are many consumables that by "common sense categorization" wouldn't be food. Food might be better defined as consumables which can be produced through the cooking discipline. -- User Nineaxis Icon Mesmer.jpg Nineaxis (talk) 00:21, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

All cars having wheels does not make all things with wheels cars. Likewise, all foods being things that grant effects does not make all things that grant effects foods. I would define as a food "anything intended to have the form of an edible item". It so happens that all edible items encountered thus far grant one form or another of a temporary effect or immediate benefit, but they are not the sum of items that grant temporary effects. 97.118.203.172 06:07, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
Chocolate bar is listed on it's tooltip as being an ingredient, a crafting material AND a food. Should it go on here or not? Simooshy 18:54, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Can someone please add Poached egg, i don't know how you categorise them? thanks. --Linkje 14:11, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Aquisition[edit]

Shouldn't we list where the food can be bought? If an item is only available from a completed renown heart instead of a karma vendor in a capital, that's worth noting here, especially since there's enough room. Even if we don't list specifically who (if it's available from several vendors), something like "13 karma, renown heart vendors" or "13 karma, capital cities" would be helpful. ~Ekko (talk) 18:09, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree. There are plenty merchants etc where you can buy flour or bread etc. --Ee 12:37, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Confuzzlements[edit]

Did anyone check if prices just changed between betas or if sales prices have something to do with reputation? I have a screenshot where Loaf of Bread, listed here for 14Copper coin costs 24Copper coin in Hoelbrak for her, but Walnut only costs 3Karma.png compared to the 35Karma.png on that page. --Ee 12:37, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

(fluctuation like in GW1 maybe?)--Ee 13:26, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Personality doesn't currently state whether it has any effect on merchant prices, only on NPC reactions and dialogue options. While it is common in other games for personality/reputation to affect prices, it would run counter to Anet's ethos of letting people play how they want without worrying about the "extreme consequences" of, say, playing a purely barbaric character.
I think these discrepancies are simply ongoing pricing balance between the beta builds. I remember seeing one material that was listed here at 80 bronze, but in BWE1 it was only 4 bronze (numbers are from fuzzy memory, but I know it was an order-of-magnitude difference). Way too big a difference to be personality-based. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 14:36, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
(edit conflict) /agree. We should expect that ANet will tweak all sorts of things between beta and release, including vendor prices.
Other possibilities include:
  1. Prices varying across vendors (e.g. vendor A sells for 35 Copper coin but vendor B asks 45 Copper coin).
  2. Prices affected by personality (e.g. meek vendors sell for less to Barbarous toons, friendly merchants give their discount to charismatic characters).
  3. Prices vary with region (e.g. asurans might hate bread, so it could sell for less in their city).
  4. Prices fluctuate with the market, like mats did in GW1 (e.g. if the supply of bread is high in the trading post, merchants lower their prices).
  5. Vendors discriminate based on race, creed, or profession (e.g. thieves are asked to pay a premium).
  6. Dynamic events affect prices (i.e. the pocket books of a grateful nation).
For now, I think we should document under the assumption that prices are supposed to be fixed, but that ANet is continuing to tweak all sorts of data (names of items/disciplines/skills, skills, and prices). Once we get closer to release (and game data stabilizes), it will be easier to see if ANet has added additional layers of complexity to the NPC market. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 14:42, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
I have noticed that a few of the foods I crafted in the first beta now have different values. I imagine this is just anet tweaking things, not prices changing in different areas. Simooshy 21:57, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
During BWE2, every item that I checked has the same price & value at every vendor. (Mind you, I only checked a few items.) – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 19:02, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Sort By[edit]

If you sort by chef rank, the order goes 0 - 100 - 25 as 100 begins with a one and 25 with a two. Any way to make it sort in actual order, ie 0 - 25 - 100? Simooshy 19:11, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Break the number out into its own column, like the "Req. Level" column. Unless you add a leading 0, i.e. 025, it won't sort correctly as-is because that is a text field, not a numeric field. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 19:18, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Stacking[edit]

My current assumption is that only the effect of a simple food on the same character can be active at any time. Is that so? At least that was my experiance during BWE3. --Ras 19:10, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

i only cooked the food i never ate any,. Food comes in several types 1 Snacks, 2 Soup, 3 Meal, 4 Desserts, 5 Other/Unknown. Potions are a separate category as is Boosts and tonics, It would be nice to know what stacks with what and how many at a time. I do know you can have more than 1 kind of boost active at a time, and i assume you can only have 1 tonic active at a time, but i have no idea about the other consumables or if different FOOD TYPES stack. Research needed Rudhraighe 19:24, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Some info here [1] still not clear whether food of different types stack. My experience was that they do not, but I am not sure as I do not have strong proof (e.g. screenshot or video). --Ras 21:59, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
It would make sense if you can have one buff from each: Snacks, Soups, Meals, and Desserts. But that's just speculation. I'll try to test this at tonight's stress test. (cruel times, btw. from 1am to 5am here in europe -_-) Edit: Nope, won't test it. Too tired already. — Gnarf ~ El Psy Congroo ~ 10:40, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Tested: all food are Nourishment, not stacking. As of stress test 9th Aug. Someone already updated main page. --Ras 19:58, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I understand that two like buffs will not stack, but will two different buffs exist and work simultaneously? Can you enjoy the benefits of a +precision nourishment buff and a +vitality nourishment buff at the same time?

can't be traded?[edit]

So for some reason the consumables i crafted were all soulbound. why is this? are all cons untradable or what? sorry, really new to this. StormcrowX 04:47, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Missing in List[edit]

The following are a list of articles that exist on the site, but are not yet in the food page. Please remove them from this as they're added to the article. --SeraphIV 18:01, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Also, please ensure these items are added to the correct section of this article. --SeraphIV 19:18, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Beetletun Omelette
  • Blackberry Cookie
  • Blackberry Cookies
  • Blackberry Pie
  • Bottle of Barradin Family Wine
  • Bowl of Ascalonian Salad
  • Bowl of Beet and Bean Stew
  • Bowl of Cabbage Stirfry
  • Bowl of Cherry Vanilla Compote
  • Bowl of Cold Wurm Stew
  • Bowl of Coleslaw
  • Bowl of Ettin Stew
  • Bowl of Gelatinous Ooze Custard
  • Bowl of Green Bean Stew
  • Bowl of Hearty Red Meat Stew
  • Bowl of Kale Soup
  • Bowl of Meaty Wurm Surprise
  • Bowl of Sauteed Zucchini with Nutmeg
  • Bowl of Savory Spinach and Poultry Soup
  • Bowl of Simple Bean Chili
  • Bowl of Spiced Meat Chili
  • Bowl of Spiced Meat and Cabbage Stew
  • Bowl of Wurm Meat Stew
  • Bowl of Yam Soup
  • Celebratory Meat
  • Cherry Almond Bars
  • Cherry Cookie
  • Cherry Pie
  • Chili Pepper Popper
  • Chocolate Bar
  • Chocolate Cake
  • Chocolate Cherry
  • Chocolate Cherry Cake
  • Chocolate Chip Cookie
  • Chocolate Mint Cookie
  • Chocolate Mint Cookies
  • Chocolate Orange
  • Cooked Crawdads
  • Cooked Fish
  • Crab Cake
  • Degun Shun Stew
  • Deluxe Burger
  • Drake Steak
  • Draught of Hunter's Ale
  • Filet of Rosemary Roasted Meat
  • Filet of Sesame Roasted Meat
  • Flask of Firewater
  • Front Line Stew
  • Ginger Pear Tart
  • Grape Pie
  • Grumble Pie
  • Handful of Bjarni's Rabbit Food
  • Ice Wurm Bisque
  • Jug of Friesson's Ale
  • Jug of Hard Apple Cider
  • Kastaz Roasted Poultry.
  • Loaf of Rosemary Bread
  • Loaf of Shaemoor Bread
  • Loaf of Zucchini Bread
  • Meaty Wurm Surprise
  • Minotaur Steak
  • Orange Cake
  • Orange Cakes
  • Orange Coconut Bar
  • Orange Coconut Bars
  • Orange Coconut Cake
  • Outrider Stew
  • Pepper Steak Dinner
  • Poached Egg
  • Pumpkin Pie
  • Raspberry Peach Bar
  • Raspberry Peach Compote
  • Raspberry Pie
  • Roasted Aloe Seed
  • Roasted Rutabaga
  • Seraph Standard Ration
  • Slice of Eda's Apple Pie
  • Slice of Pumpkin Bread
  • Slice of Watermelon
  • Spicy Lime Steak
  • Stein of Highlander Beer
  • Stein of Hunter's Ale
  • Stick of Mystery Meat
  • Strawberry Pie
  • Stuffed Zucchini
  • Turnip Casserole
  • Venison Jerky
  • Warden Ration
  • Worm Stew
  • Wurm Poppers
These belong to a subtype of food, they should not be added to the Foods category. Adding them to this article, however, is fine, as long as they go in the correct section. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 18:20, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
This list is different from the articles I've been going around adding to the Foods category. In fact, all of these have the Food category already. The rules seem a bit unclear both ways. --SeraphIV 18:27, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, when I first saw this I thought it was the list you were working from to add the category. My bad. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 18:33, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
No worries - can we delete this conversation now? I added a disclaimer asking editors to make sure the items get put in the appropriate sections in this article. --SeraphIV 19:18, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
We rarely delete comments for any reason short of outright vandalism. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 19:33, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Alcohol[edit]

Just curious if there's a planned page for Alcohol. It seems there's quite a variety. It would be nice to know where specific brews can be found (and whether they are bound, have some other effect beyond intoxication, etc) I have a table for personal record on my user page --->Kaynide 15:41, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Alcohols contribute to a different achievement than standard food, so we definitely need at least a separate listing for them. Whether that gets added to the Food article or gets its own page, I'll leave up for discussion. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 00:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
I've been documenting; As of now there's something like 10, most of which are found in all towns. I think*** some are rarer than others, but I can't really back that up. My user page has a listing if we want to make an Alcohol page.Kaynide 06:45, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Still updating. I've found there's quite a few special or "unique" brews. Would like to have an Alcohol page :) Seconded?Kaynide 05:12, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Overall Organization of Food using Categories[edit]

There seem to be several different pages that are all manual lists of things that all needs updated separately, mainly the Chef page and Food page. Each 'food' item is categorized differently (with or without category Category:Recipes / Category:Foods /sub-food category like Category:Snacks). I don't really know what I'm doing, but if someone could provide an example of the correct/best way to categorize something, I would go through and recategorize everything. Things like Bowl of Salsa somehow are not a food and things like Bowl of Simple Bean Chili are not a soup.

For my own cooking, I end up using my category based dynamic table to find things (Food Recipes), because it seems the most reliable (and is 8 lines long) and adjusts when things are added. If we could focus on the categories, do we think this could be easier? Page takes a while to load so maybe this isn't a good long term solution, and yes I'm just starting wiki'ing as this was frustrating me :) Nbaird2 01:09, 20 September 2012 (UTC)


Should we reword the effect descriptions?[edit]

I know that they are verbatim from the game as they are, but the problem is that "sort by description" is alphabetical in nature, so they don't end up making much sense. All the "+10s" and +10%s" are grouped before the +20s, or even the +5%s. it's kinda pointless. It would be better to rewrite the descriptions to focus on the point before the number. So for example "Gain +20 Toughness when Stunned, Knocked Down, or Knocked Back," could be changed to "On Stun, Knock Down, Knocked Back, gain Toughness +20." This means that when sorted, it would end up alongside the other "on stun" effects, then it would end up between the Toughness +10 and Toughness +30, rather than between "gain +20 Power on Kills" and "Gain +20 Vitality" since "t" comes between "p" and "v".

What do you think? Ohoni 01:45, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Major edit, To-Do List[edit]

Hey guys! Based on discussion here and our wiki's policy of being bold, I've made a major edit to this page. It has a layout that makes much mroe sense now. If people want to see foods grouped by soup/snack/etc, they'll go to those individual pages. I think this is where people go if they're looking for an effect, so organizing by effect makes more sense to me. However, this article still needs a bit more work. I'm going to plug away at it until it's finished, but any help would be wonderful.

To-Do list:

  • 0No Add condition duration foods
    • 0No Poison
    • 0No Burn
    • 0No Chill
  • 1Yes Add duration column to tables
  • 0No Add other missing foods
    • 0No Foods from recipe sheets
      • 0No Dessert
      • 0No Meal
      • 0No Snack
      • 0No Soup
    • 0No Foods with a 15m duration
  • 0No Add specific healing numbers
    • 0No Regeneration

  -Dacromir 16:38, 6 November 2012 (UTC)


What about foods bought directly from vendors? Don Zardeone 14:38, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Moved, Seconded. For example what is the cheapest food you can buy? I've seen 16cp food, is there anything less than that? I want to figure out what food I can eat a lot of to get the eating achievement. Similarly with alcohol mentioned elsewhere -- what's the cheapest way to get the two -- eating & drinking achievements -- if you're ignoring the buffs?

Reorganising the sections[edit]

I think it makes much more sense that the foods corresponding to the primary stats are put at the top of the page. I tried moving Power to the top but it won't let me remove the entry in the middle of the page now so we have a duplicate if someone with permission can fix that.

Basically it would look much better if we have Power, Precision, Toughness, Vitality at the top, in that order descending. After that we can have Healing Power than Condition Damage and then start going into more niche food effects.

Defrule 04:33, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Auto-generation[edit]

This page is the perfect candidate for auto-generation from the various "food" pages. I would suggest that each section lists all foods affecting that attribute, and not try to make a food appear only once. On the contrary, it is much more useful, if I want to find a food that gives a bonus to vitality, for example, to find them all in the Vitality section, and not to have to search the whole page. --Alad 02:15, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Considering most foods have clear analogues at different levels, I think it's very useful to have a list of food "patterns", and the ability to find a food that fits a given pattern at a given level. Simply listing all individual attributes, and then all foods that affect a given attribute, seems like it would make it much harder to notice the patterns for someone who isn't already aware of them.
It might be useful to have both versions, though. --Felbryn 02:25, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
We will probably put the effects in records like item stats. Right now we don't have any code for setting properties, but other records like item stats will be implemented with #arraymaps, so we can wait until then to do buffs from foods. Then we can query for foods with a certain bonus.--Relyk ~ talk > 03:21, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
I have some experience with SMW, and I would not recommend using #arraymap for this. There are over 350 items, which could be a problem.
I implemented a new feature in my food database, which allows you to automatically create wiki tables that you use here. You can type "wiki" (without quotes) in the search field, and it will make a copy-pasteable code instead of the usual list. (for example, "wiki ascending gold" will make a table of Gold Find items).
It also adds the wiki links where needed (search/replace can be changed by editing the page). --AntiGW (talk) 02:56, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Achievement[edit]

The Alcohol page lists what the least expensive way (through money or karma) how to acquire the Thirst Slayer achievement. Should this page somewhere tell what the least expensive item is that you can buy using either Karma or money to complete the All you Can Eat title? I understand the title can be completely crafted, but some may want to throw money or karma at the title, but do it in the least expensive way possible. Usaf1a8xx (talk) 21:30, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't think it's that important, since you only need 800 bites and you can get food for Copper coin off the TP. Total cost = Silver coin. The specific food will vary, depending on market conditions. If you aren't efficient and you buy from vendors at 20 Copper coin, it will still only cost you Gold coin 60 Silver coin.
In contrast, you need 100,000 drink points, so if you buy at 10 Copper coin instead of Copper coin, you're going to pay an extra 50 Gold coin, which is a lot of cash to spend on a few achievement points. 75.37.16.99 21:44, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Suggestion: xp vs.  % xp[edit]

I'd like to suggest a category where food that give +x% xp is listed, since I would think many players prefer these for leveling characters, rather than the (in most cases) inferior +10 xp (and no, I can't be arsed doing it myself at this time) 95.166.29.218 11:53, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

All food is % exp. Some of it is simply missing the % symbol. --AntiGW (talk) 13:50, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
If that's the case (as I've heard in forum discussions), then perhaps a bug notice should be added concerning the inaccurate tooltip, where most food states it grants +10 experience as opposed to +10%- if not that, then at least a clarification in the description. --72.197.37.32 13:19, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
I added a clarification. I don't think there's any question whether this is the case, I and many others have tested it. --AntiGW (talk) 17:52, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Template question[edit]

Which template do we use for a Food item that is also a crafting material (per ingame description)? ex: Cheese Pizza uses the crafting infobox, Cup of Lotus Fries uses the item box. Tyndel (talk) 21:07, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Description update[edit]

I noticed that all food items (that I checked) now have different capitalizations and every item lists '+10%' experience instead of the erroneous '+10'. To edit this a bot would be helpful I think. Tyndel (talk) 20:26, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Format Modification Request[edit]

Please could we include Feasts, Pots, Giant versions of recipes along with the regular versions? These are group oriented foods that are used widely in World vs World.

Many of the pages for these already exist and it seems scandalous that links to them have not been included on the Food page. 92.9.57.219 14:22, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

"Many of the pages for these already exist" All of the pages for these exist, because I created them. There's a feast for every Dessert, Meal, Snack, and Soup, and they provide the exact same bonuses as the base item. Why do we need to list the feasts here? —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 14:44, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Icons disappeared?[edit]

Anyone got a clue what happened? I assume it's the new item API's fault? Howellq (talk) 16:12, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

See the big red box at the top of the site. I purged the page ("refresh" tab) and it looks like everything is good now. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 16:13, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
I literally just read it after asking here. I'll show myself out. Howellq (talk) 16:25, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Total Overhaul[edit]

I've begun adding in food items that are missing, only to realize the list is enormous and would bloat this page worse than the original incarnations of the Gift of Mawdrey II and Generosity's Gift pages. As it stands, the current page has either 355 or 455 entries (I may have lost count on a 100) WITH duplications for foods with non-stat effects, while the current "food" list without duplications sits at 417 unique pages. Perhaps it would be prudent to overhaul the page to give the basics of what "food" is, then provide a category list, then follow-up by going in to individual food item pages and categorizing them directly, or creating child pages for each core stat/effect. Azure Fang (talk) 08:39, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

I think that's a great idea. Subpages are definitely the easier method so you don't have to go and edit every single food page. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 12:09, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Utility Items Equivalent ?[edit]

Is there an equivalent of this page for [Utility Items] ? Separ (talk) 02:07, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

You mean http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Category:Foods ? -Darqam (talk) 02:16, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Some items need adding such as those with burn on critical. You're welcome 80.42.239.18 18:08, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Feedback 2018/09/18[edit]

didn't these tables used to be sortable? is there a reason they aren't or can't be? thanks :) --MissRae (talk) 23:21, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Feast version availability column?[edit]

Can we get a column to show whether a feast version of a food is available or not? I'd start work on this myself but I don't see where it gets the data from. --Scyntrus (talk) 03:45, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

The food row style is created with this template Template:Food table row. There, everything is done automatically, using semantic mediawiki properties. This means: Each food page has a duration, a level and a description which values are passed to each row; no need to copy them or put them by hand.
So if we want to add the feast column, we can either do it by hand (which I do not favour at all) or create the Property:Has equivalent food and set the parameter equivalent food at the Feast Template:Item infobox (My favourite!).
I.e. we must add to 265 feast pages the parameter | equivalent food = <Food name> to the infobox, as well as creating the property and adjusting the template and the infobox (this is my part!).
For comparison:
  • Number of feasts: 265
  • Number of food: 550
So, if you still want to add it, after this quite lenghty and technically description, we can do it. --Tolkyria (talk) 08:34, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Okay, I was thinking way to complicated, I have done it with already existing methods, exploiting that a feast requires the food item itself as ingredient. --Tolkyria (talk) 13:23, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Ascended food to-do[edit]

Just adding a to-do to work in Ascended food somehow. I don't fully understand this page's layout yet, and am working on other sections of this update. Will swing back when able, unless somebody else wants to take a shot at this. - Ojimaru (talk) 02:51, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Personally, I think making a new page - Food(Ascended) or Ascended Food will be better because they have some consistency. --Targal (talk) 17:27, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
{{Food table row|<Food name>|filters=<granted attributes, and for ascended food maybe also: "ascended">}}
However, actually the ascended food are feasts, so does they even belong here? --Tolkyria (talk) 19:13, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Easy enough to generate a list we can use to find the new food items btw.
{{#ask: [[Has subobject.Requires discipline::Chef]] [[Has subobject.Requires rating::>>400]] [[Has subobject.Has ingredient::+]]
 | ?Has subobject.Requires rating=Rating
 | ?Has subobject.Has ingredient=Ingredients
 | ?Has subobject.Has nourishment duration=Duration
 | ?Has subobject.Has nourishment bonus=Nourishment
 | mainlabel = Item | sort = Has subobject.Requires rating | limit = 250 | headers = plain | class = mw-collapsible mw-collapsed sortable wikitable
}}
Whilst they're technically not "food", I think they do belong here as there isn't a non-feast version + this is the page people will check. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 20:11, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Definitely the wiki users will look here first, and as I said above, label them with ascended and add an approriate filter to find them quickly. Off-topic, regarding the 500 cooking food: the recipe API states: Meal, Dessert, etc. and not Feast but the item API however states Feast, so hard to say what they are exactly. That's also the reason why the ascended feast doesn't show up on the Feast (food) list. --Tolkyria (talk) 20:30, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Ascended food added. I'm not sure if we should create Ascended Food (or similar) and list the 500 chef food there also, just to have it also in a compact format. Please note that I might have missed a filter due to the amount of gained attributes and effects. --Tolkyria (talk) 18:21, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Could we please get a filter for all the new food added in the recent Cooking 500 update?[edit]

--112.199.192.101 02:58, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

There's already an ascended food row, with all the options. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 06:24, 3 September 2019 (UTC)