Talk:Gathering tool

Source??-- Necro Shea Mo 16:35, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

OK...

where the FUCK is Rilo Britton? I am wasitng all my time just tring to find him instead of actually playing the game! I'm in Rurikton but I don't see him anywhere. Can somebody please mark him on the map or something and then add it to the main page? I will be eternally grateful! Previously Unsigned 00:03, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Too low level tool?

I wonder what will happen if you try to gather, let's say steel, with mining pick that is meant for copper only. Gorribal 19:51, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

You get Ruined Ore Chunk --Draygo Korvan 16:50, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

While on this topic, which level is being referred on the gathering tool description? Character level or crafting level? I wasn't able to test this during the BWE, so I am hoping someone who knows can say. Dr Dread

It is character level. See for example Iron Harvesting Sickle and click on the Req. Level link. Dr Dread

Also while on this topic: the statement "Players will not have a chance at rare materials from the action" in Ruined Material section is not true. I do get rare materials sometimes along with ruined ore when I'm gathering low-level materials with my high-level characters and forget to switch from copper tool to iron tool, for example. Gilliand (talk) 21:10, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Update

I've updated this page quite a lot, all based on what Eyjulf (Merchant) in Hoelbrak was selling during BWE2. As there was no mention of golden gathering tools in Eyjulf's inventory, I don't know if it's due to an update or whether those other items are also available elsewhere. Feel free to correct the page, of course! Elwynd 19:49, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Sickle/axe/pick redirects?

Harvesting Sickle, Harvesting Sickles, etc... we should at least have these in place, I think? Redshift 16:38, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree - maybe they should just link back here though? At least for the moment, until there's more to say about them...Elwynd 18:46, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I have created Harvesting sickle, Logging axe, and Mining pick redirects to start. Capitalized and plural variants will likely follow. As a note, I have changed the capitalization of the headers in the Gathering tool article to reflect that they are a generic type of item and thus should be #Harvesting sickles and not #Harvesting Sickles (in contrast to the items themselves which reflect their in-game presentation). Redshift 12:02, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Charges?

Can/should we list the number of uses per gathering item, or are they all the same? Should the fact that they are limited-use items also be mentioned in the general text at the top? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.202.74.87 (talk • contribs) at 18:44, 3 August 2012 (UTC).

I think all the ones you buy come with 100 uses, and the Mystic ones have 25. But I haven't actually played PvE since BWE1 (and I still haven't fully characterized damage scaling, curses!), so those may have changed. —Dr Ishmael 18:51, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

At least one of the basic tools has only 50 uses. I forget which one. --Gentlecow 20:04, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Harvesting sickles. Gnarf 20:20, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Seems they come with different charges. I've added a column to the tables. Elwynd 12:58, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Rare material and tool quality

Is it true, that using higher level tool would increase the amount of rare material (e.g. gems) one get? Does it make sense to use expensive tools on simple ore like copper, or is in this case the simplest tool as good as any other?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 188.101.135.232 (talk • contribs) at 2012-08-31T08:41:11 (UTC).

reorganising the tables

There are the 6 tiers of gathering material: copper, iron, steel, darksteel, mithril and orichalcum. And than there are the strange ones, like Black Lion and Master, etc. I would like to organise th table that there is a distinction between these 2 because, well, I think there is a distinction between these two. Suggestions? - Yandere 13:09, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I think we should put the Copper, Iron, Steel, ... stuff first. You can buy all of these from the Master Crafters and usually 2 of them of some of the merchants in map(usually the level needed on that map). Then the stuff you can buy for karma. So far I found 3(a sickle, a axe and a pick) of them at renown heart vendors in Bloodtide Coast. Each one 600+ karma and 25 uses. Then that Master Harvesting Sickle/Axe/Pick you get from story(is there a pick? I only got 2 Sickles and in the lists currently only Sickle and Axe). Then the Black Lion stuff. - lordmd 11:48, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Special Gathering tools from personal storyline or karma vendors

We need more research on these. There is this one with 125 uses you get from the story. Seems it is only for low level things because I tried to gather some higher level materials and it gave ruined plant stuff. But don't know until which level of ingredients you can use it. Also the effect is not clear to me. It says it is more efficient at gathering but so far I only got the same results as with the normal sickles. But did not try that much. There is one sickle from a karma vendor for 600+ karma with only 25 uses. I tried this on high level material up to level 300 and it worked. Maybe this working for all materials? And I got 1, 2, 4 ingredients with one gathering use. Usually for the normal sickles I always only got 1 or 2. 4 per use is pretty nice especially with the node being used and disappering for some time and some stuff you really need to run around for those random placed herbs or roots that come not with a node farm. - lordmd 11:42, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Master Mining Picks (125 uses) Quest reward blue Item and currently as of 9/8 can be used to harvest Orichalcum nodes. I have seen posts regarding that it returns ruined ores(or whatever the term is) for gold nodes and above so either this has been patch or it works up to Iron then doesn't work above Iron till Orichalcum and then it works again.. have not tested on gold or mithril.

The item states that it has a greater chance of recovering rares. Rares being classified as unid dyes, loot sacks rare gems not that I have ever seen a dye or loot sack from mining however I have from logging. That being said I have yet to see any increase rare items while using it for Orichalcum. In fact I'm unsure if it returns any rares at all while harvesting Orichalcum. I've yet to note a rare while using it out of about 75 of the 125 uses. However with Orichalcum nodes being so few and far between and then rares being even fewer and farther between while using Orichalcum tools I have yet to come to a determination if Orichalcum even HAS rares. I would assume because on my collectible tab in bank there are rare gems that I have yet to see. RNG hates me.

Its possible that this item returns more rares for Iron and below and just mines anything up without any bonus or possibly even ruins gold and mithril and just returns Orichulum no rares on those few nodes. Lordmd above mentions ruined plants with the sickle version above. Before I run out this item i will find a gold node and mithril node and give it a chance to see if it currently receives ruined ore. I'll also create a login ^.^ [Strike]

Number of uses in infobox

Why don't we put the number of uses of each tool in the infobox? Now it is in the notes section and i find it useful to see it directly in the infobox. Please discuss K4zimir 13:27, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Master gathering tools

I have the assumption that these tools allow you to gather level aprpriate things. So a lavel 80 character with a master pick could gather oricalcum ore, a level 20 character could only gather copper. - Yandere 10:03, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Gathering tool costs per use

Brief table re-work showing cost per use data. Formatting is shocking and some info isn't technically correct but it will do for now.

Harvesting Sickle Type	Level	Cost	Uses	Cost/Use	Nodes (plus any lower level)
Copper Harvesting Sickle	any	24	50	0.48	Blueberries, Button Mushrooms, Onions, Carrots, Herb Seedlings, Potatoes, Lettuce
Iron Harvesting Sickle	10	56	50	1.12	Taproots, Spinach, Strawberries, Herb Sprouts, Clams
Steel Harvesting Sickle	20	88	50	1.76	Zucchini, Kale, Root Vegetables, Varied Mushrooms, Young Herbs, Grapes, Cabbage
Darksteel Harvesting Sickle	30	1  20	50	2.4	Blackberries, Variegated Taproots, Scallions, Portobello Mushroom, Mature Herbs, Sugar Pumpkins, Cauliflower, Coral
Mithril Harvesting Sickle	45	1  60	50	3.2	Asparagus Spears, Cayenne Peppers, Leeks, Winter Root Vegetables, Raspberries, Verdant Herbs, Butternut Squash, Artichokes
Orichalcum Harvesting Sickle	60	4	50	8	Ghost Peppers, Omnomberries, Orrian Truffles, Black Crocus, Seaweed, Lotus
Black Lion Harvesting Sickle	any	Chest	10	n/a	Same as Orichalcum Harvesting Sickle
Master Harvesting Sickle	any	Story	125	n/a	Variable?
Worker's Sickle	34	119	50	2.38	Same as Darksteel Harvesting Sickle
Foraging Sickle	any	658	25	26.32	Unknown

Logging Axe Type	Level	Cost	Uses	Cost/Use	Used to gather (plus any lower level)	Nodes (plus any lower level)
Copper Logging Axe	any	24	100	0.24	Green Wood Log	Aspen Sapling, Kertch Sapling, Ekku Sapling
Iron Logging Axe	10	56	100	0.56	Soft Wood Log	Mimosa Sapling, Gummo Sapling, Snow Cherry Sapling
Steel Logging Axe	20	88	100	0.88	Seasoned Wood Log	Tukawa Sapling, Fir Sapling
Darksteel Logging Axe	30	1  20	100	1.2	Hard Wood Log	Banyan Sapling, Pine Sapling, Inglewood Sapling
Mithril Logging Axe	45	1  60	100	1.6	Elder Wood Log	Red Oak Sapling, Cypress Sapling, Baoba Sapling
Orichalcum Logging Axe	60	4	100	4	Ancient Wood Log	Orrian Sapling, Ancient Sapling
Black Lion Logging Axe	any	Chest	25	n/a	Ancient Wood Log	Same as Orichalcum Logging Axe
Master Logging Axe	any	Story	125	n/a	Same as Darksteel Logging Axe	Same as Darksteel Logging Axe
Bun Yan Axe	20	77	100	0.77	Same as Darksteel Logging Axe	Same as Darksteel Logging Axe
Splitting Axe	any	602	25	24.08	Unknown	Unknown

Mining Pick Type	Level	Cost	Uses	Cost/Use	Nodes (plus any lower level)
Copper Mining Pick	any	24	100	0.24	Copper Ore
Iron Mining Pick	10	56	100	0.56	Iron Ore, Silver Ore
Steel Mining Pick	20	88	100	0.88	Gold Ore
Darksteel Mining Pick	30	1  20	100	1.2	Platinum Ore
Mithril Mining Pick	45	1  60	100	1.6	Mithril Ore
Orichalcum Mining Pick	60	4	100	4	Orichalcum Ore
Black Lion Mining Pick	any	Chest	25	n/a	Orichalcum Ore
Master Mining Pick	any	Story	125	n/a	See article for details
Pick Axe	32	112	100	1.12	Same as Darksteel Mining Pick
Mining Pick	any	602	25	24.08	Unknown

-81.149.242.18 11:21, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Not necessarily the cost per use information, but why is the materials gathered for each specific tool level not listed on the main page? Also, there are special tools with differing character levels, some with standard charges, some with unusual number of charges, not listed. I tried using one of them on an Ori node, and it got back ruined ore. I think this needs further research as well. 99.16.209.125 20:26, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Non-standard variants with fewer uses (from karma vendors)

There are variations of the tools available that have fewer uses, but can be bought with karma. Does anyone know if that is intended? In any case, it should be mentioned here. Perhaps add a note? They have the same names as the regular version, but cost, charges and (at least in the case of the mithril sickle) description are different. --Cyberman 10:02, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Sturdy gathering tools

Apart from being in stacks of 250 (the maximum possible number of items in 1 stack), do Sturdy variants have any other differences compared to the regular gathering tools? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.186.18.11 (talk).

Account Bound

If I remember correctly, last week, all gathering tools were souldbound to the character who purchase it from Merchant/Karma Merchant. Somehow, it is now Account Bound? Can anyone help to confirm this?? Paladinofmm 01:09, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I think this is right true too. Previously Unsigned 02:57, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

I know for a fact that they use to be soulbound. I haven't checked yet/noticed if they're account bound now, because I simply haven't checked. But it definitely was soulbound originally. Was thwarted trying to second-hand them to my younger characters. —Jyavoc 02:59, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, there was a game update on the 15th which changed them. Elwynd 14:00, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Southsun Cove

Should be noted here that you can obtain Orichalcum Minig Picks for a rather cheap preice of 350 karma from Lionguard Demolitionist Varrv after completing his chain of 2 events in Bakestone Cavern in Southsun Cove. Not many people do this event and it is easily soloable if you can kill a veteran karka by yourself. The event appears often, but Varrv seems to sell them for a short amount of time. 95.180.84.110 03:18, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone have stats on Advanced set?

The new set added with laurels and laurel venders, each costs 2 laurels and a required level of 45, uses are: Pick - 250 Sickle - 125 Axe - 250 But does anyone know what materials they work on?

Probably most people are too scared to buy them, worried that they'd be wasting laurels when they find out that they don't work on orichalcum/ancient. Since no one knows yet, why don't you do it and inform everyone else? —Dr Ishmael 03:02, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Overlap with Gathering_tool and Gathering

Was wondering about clearing up some of the overlap between the gathering article and the gathering tool one. Maybe moving the bits about what each tool gathers, to the tools article? We have the same info twice, in slightly different formats, and neither page has everything I'd want to know. I don't want to make the tables too wide but was wondering whether to include the bit about which zone level is applicable. (That was actually the bit of info I wanted today, and of course it wasn't on this page, it was on the Gathering page.) Elwynd 07:39, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I think the zone level applies more to the specific item than the tool, because there are what would be considered multiple *zones* material nodes on the same map. I have seen what you could consider a *copper* level area, Queensdale, have plant nodes that you need an Iron level tool on. 69.183.26.240 21:27, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Snow Truffles

It is not specifically listed but I would presume that Snow Truffles would fall under the Ori level sickle. However, it appears to be MIA. 69.183.26.240 21:29, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Just did further in game research, tried harvesting snow truffle with mithril, and it ruined the plant. Adding it to the list on Ori. 69.183.26.240 23:55, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Trimming of overview

Excuse me, but some of us don't want to have to have three separate tabs open just to know what is gatherable by which tools. I want that information at a glance, on one page/one location.

You can make an elitist argument that "well you should just be buying orichalcum tools by default anyway #economics", but in terms of wiki usability, that argument holds no water. I don't see how it's an improvement in any way to hide the most relevant and interesting information on more obscure pages. Vili 点 04:10, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Addendum: I prefer this table over the one on Gathering because it's much more compact, so I can see the whole thing without scrolling. There is admittedly a lot of redundancy between Gathering, Gathering tool, and Node, but it looks like that discussion died a long time ago. Vili 点 04:51, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

You're excused; you are asking for what type of node can be interacted with by what type of tool based on the tier of the node and tier of the gathering tool. That should go on Gathering to show the relationship between the node and the tool rather than paste it on both Resource node (which needs its own page) and Gathering tool.--Relyk ~ talk < 05:30, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Vili, much of the problem is you get people who work on the wiki, and get it in their heads, as many people in the game seem to do, that how they think things should be done should be the only way everyone else should ever want to do it. I saw this happen all the time on the wiki for GW, and I am hoping that is not going to be the case here, but it seems like it might be happening anyway. 99.16.209.125 20:38, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with the discussion. You can go post on Vili's talk page if you want.--Relyk ~ talk < 20:50, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Availability of infinite versions

Regarding "Each gathering tool has an infinite version that does not run out of charges and can be purchased from the Gem Store for gems."... Is this statement correct 100% of the time, or are such tools only available for short periods? | phineas | (talk) 11:07, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

The latter. There tends to be only one type on offer at a time, too. Took me a while to get my mismatched set. — snograt 11:36, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Not totally true either Snog, there have been times (I remember one time specifically) when they had 1 of each tool type (1 sickle, 1 pick, and 1 axe) for sale all at the same time. The fact that they are infinite use is true all the time. They can only be purchased from the gem store, also true. They do have limited time availability. 99.16.209.125 20:34, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Are Frostbitten gathering tools available from Gathering Merchants?

Referring to these tools:
Frostbitten Orichalcum Mining Pick
Frostbitten Orichalcum Logging Axe
Frostbitten Orichalcum Harvesting Sickle
If not, is there a reliable way to obtain them outside of Wintersday? --138.75.82.239 17:31, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Dedicated page for unlimited gathering tools?

Would it be a good idea to create a more detailed page especially for the unlimited gathering tools? In addition to the table listing them all (which is quite large) I would also like to add information about their cast time aka speeds, starting from this spreadsheet. Alternatively, please advise what would be a good place to add that information, a dedicated page for "unlimited gathering tool speed"? --Mojliggora (talk) 13:45, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

I would love to see a page like this. I'd be willing to do the research myself if I knew how to time the tools' use correctly. As it stands there's just piecemeal info everywhere, and not a single place with all the relevant info. ~Miss Lana (talk) 01:46, 20 November 2021 (UTC)