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Guild Wars 2 Manifesto Trailer! They haven't announced it yet, but I dunno if you browse GW2G or not so I didn't know if you'd gotten a notification yet.-- Shew 16:44, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I follow you on twitter, so I've already seen (and been absolutely blown away) by it. I love it :D. (Shame about the French website though...) pling User Pling sig.png 16:59, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
The dragon at about the 5min mark, looks awesome Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 17:08, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
I kinda lost my self-control at that point, and starting giggling and semi-applauding. pling User Pling sig.png 17:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Giggled? Nice. Just watched it. Let something like that get near my Charr. I'll make it my mount. — Gares 18:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


Hi Pling, I recently updated my signature, but people say animations are not allowed because it makes the page load slower, I can totally agree with that. But its just that one other user here has a non animated signature which is more than triple of my signature in kB. Can I keep oit or not? --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 13:29, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

The size is in my opinion completely fine, but the thing which is a bit annoying is the animation itself :/ poke | talk 13:51, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Just imagine half of your talkpage sporting that animation, AP... -- Arduin talk 15:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't think animations causes any more problems than anything else that occurs. I was planning an anime on mine. Imo, as long as it's below the 2mb - It should be fine. Pling, what's your opinion on animated sigs? Ariyen 16:43, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Likely something which resembles GW2W:SIGN#Images, but we shall see. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 17:29, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
That's inactive, so are two more proposals. So, not beneficial when not in use. Ariyen 17:35, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Inactive also means there's a lack of opposition to them. The majority of policy proposals which are "inactive" are effectively copy / pasted from GWW, where the same band of users exist. Even if not set in stone, you can look at most proposals and get an idea of what is and is not acceptable. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 18:00, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm not worried about that particular signature's file-size, just how distracting it is on a talk page. That's a more fundamental reason to remove it. pling User Pling sig.png 18:57, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I'll upload a non-animation of it, but imo, it isnt more disturbing then animated avatars. --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 21:15, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
I find that when reading through a wiki page (such as this one) the animations distract and annoy me. Also, they make it seem a lot less "professional", and more "wikia" :D ShadowRunner 21:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
AP the two do not compare. On any one talk page you're likely to find over 50 signatures if it's actively discussed on. 50 blinking images irritating you when you're attempting to marshal your thoughts isn't my idea of constructive.
Apologies for the banner, Pling. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 21:43, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Banner? pling User Pling sig.png 22:49, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
<span style="one month late">Yes, the You Have New Messages banner.</span> User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 18:10, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Main Page

Could you add Necromancer to the profession list please? Reaper of Scythes** User Reaper of ScythesJuggernaut1.png 17:21, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Done. pling User Pling sig.png 21:24, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Random Skill Related Question

Maybe I didn't read all of it, but I was wondering if you would have any problems with starting to add the skill infobox to skill pages? Just wondering :) Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 23:59, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, I'm not even sure if the infobox is completed. pling User Pling sig.png 00:02, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Someone took it down from the "Current Discussions" section of Community Portal... So, if it works, would it be okay? Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 00:28, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
I was under the impression that it was taken down, due to lack of agreement, etc. and that it stalled out... Ariyen 00:35, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh...okay...just noting that it works nicely (at least in my brief preview tests) and we have the info for some skills... Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 00:37, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


Hello Pling, you seem to be quite knowledgable in regards to what can run on this wiki. I was wondering if this wiki has the scripts to run the collapable box codes like this:

<div class="NavFrame collapsed">
<div class="NavHead">
[... Title of hidden content(1) ...]
<div class="NavContent">
[... This content(1) is initially hidden ...]

Reason I ask is that I can get it to run correctly on other wikis, but here it does not collapse. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 20:53, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

We don't have that weird "NavX" scheme.. Look at GWW's collapsible navigation boxes or at MediaWiki talk:CollapsibleTables.js to see how it works. poke | talk 21:04, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Well that's kind of a relief, but not really. I was working on it yesterday for hours trying to get it to work. Now I'll have to find a new method, heh. Thanks Poke Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 21:54, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Leaked videos asked by Regina to be removed

Aliceandsven has been spamming leaked necromancer videos from the intended reveal on the necromancer after Regina requested for them to be removed (she posted this on Guru2 and the thread they were in was deleted - including her post, so I cannot link). [[:File:Ogre_Screenshot.jpg|Knighthonor]] has uploaded images from these videos as well (he uploaded others, but I only saw one video, so idk if they're from the leaked ones or high quality Gamescom videos, I'm thinking leaked). I request that they are deleted asap until the necromancer reveal - stated by Regina to be on Wednesday. -- Konig/talk 07:22, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

another leaked image, and another link. -- Konig/talk 07:32, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Heil Regina
Thank you for the images btw leaker, stop leaking Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә User Aliceandsven 3.png ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 08:23, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Yet another. User EM Signature.jpg ***EAGLEMUT*** TALK 08:27, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh god don't you understand, regina doesn't want Pling or anyone to see the leaks, stop leaking!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә User Aliceandsven 3.png ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 08:29, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
The licensing details that editors agree to when saving edits says that, in addition to GFDL content, we can only post "copyrighted material that ArenaNet has made available to the general public, to the site." Therefore, images/animations taken from the leaked videos should be deleted; discussion about it doesn't need to be. pling User Pling sig.png 18:42, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Exactly what is...

consensus? How long should we have for people to agree or disagree with the main page edit copy befpre the sysops choose to upload it or not? (Of all the comments on the mainpage editcopy talk page, currently no one is against loading the new main page.) Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 13:28, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

A consensus is when an agreement is made between users and admins, if nobody opposes then it is a consensus. Time is dependant on the discretion of the sysop. If you're thinking of the mainpage; If a sysop agrees that a consensus has been reached then he/she will implement it. --Naut User Naut Dark Blue Monk.png 13:31, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Thnx Naut, I was referring to what a consensus would be in "wiki." (That entire mini paragraph was to ask how long asusming there are no negative responses would it be before it was implemented?) Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 13:46, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
"If a sysop agrees that a consensus has been reached" - Wrong. If the whole community decides that a consensus is reached, anybody may enforce that consensus. There is no sysop involved at all, although sysops are of course welcome to participate in the discussion as a user of the community. poke | talk 14:39, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
You cannot ever reach consensus on an OPEN wiki, people can roll over here and object as they please. Consensus feels like a bad idea to solve issues. - Infinite - talk 17:35, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
It's not a bad idea, it's just a bit more complicated that majority decision-making. There can be those that disagree with a certain subject, yet a consensus can still be reached. If that wasn't the case, then yes, a discussion requiring consensus would no doubt last forever. The complicated, time-consuming part comes in that the minority's views doesn't get pushed to the side in favor of a quick resolution. You have to recognize the opposition's views and try to incorporate them in a way that the opposition is satisfied. — Gares 18:06, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
We've seen in many cases where both/multiple parties simply cannot reach consensus (think Elder Dragon). I'd vouch for a majority vote at such critical moments in a discussion. Surely not unreasonable? - Infinite - talk 18:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
You would basically be changing the rules of the entire process. Instead of trying to appease the minority opposition and to come to a compromise all can agree upon, you would then be stating that the minority's voices no longer count. — Gares 18:45, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Welcome to, I dunno, the WORLD. - Infinite - talk 18:49, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
lol. Welcome to Guild Wars 2 Wiki. Unlike any place in real life. :P — Gares 18:50, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
That's what you wish. In a Utopia, everyone could come to a consensus, but humans are not perfect and opinions will always be different. Consensus is a bad idea if there's freedom of opinion. Sometimes, majority rule is something minority will need to learn to live with, I'm sorry, that's how things work. - Infinite - talk 18:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
That is true in real life, but the wiki is not real life. This is a consensus-based community. Majority rulings for discussions will be overturned or not acknowledged at all. I tried to read the "short novel" that is Talk:Elder Dragon and quite a few of those involved got very emotional in the discussion. It is not something to get upset to the point of loosing one's cool. Believe me when I say some things just aren't worth it. — Gares 19:02, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
"That is true in real life, but the wiki is not real life. This is a consensus-based community." You just disproved your own statement. "Not real life" and "community" are mutually exclusive. A community IS real life. - Infinite - talk 19:03, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Not true. Let's take Family Guy for example. Their main cast on Spooner St. would be labeled as a community. Real life though? No. Still unclear why the sudden emotion, but I will continue to converse. — Gares 19:11, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
There is no emotion in my reasoning, there is avoiding the general point in your last comment, though. Politics is something inherit to a community and politics are voted on, NOT something everyone can reach consensus on. The sooner this wiki realizes that, the better. GWW screwed up massively already, let's not have another Wiki perish based on the same faults. - Infinite - talk 19:14, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I do enjoy how users consider most of the things they do not like as GWW devil spawn. The fact is that this basis for discussion has been around since GWiki.

You would not be the first to propose this idea, nor the last. Even I have played with it a little. The problem still remains that consensus and majority processes do not work together. You can fight for changing all consensus-based decision-making to majority, but you cannot have both. They are different animals. Consensus being a cooperative effort and majority being "whoever is ahead". — Gares 19:34, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Where exactly did I mention you need to start out with a majority vote? On the contrary, majority vote should be kicked in not anytime sooner than after a long, heated discussion in attempt to reach consensus. The only trouble is, though; you will see that someone needs to resolve a consesnsus that cannot be reached. I refuse to have this position handed to a sysop/bureaucrat, because they can be biased toward the issue and thus majority vote (by the community) will be more fair. Coalitions in proper political countries are also based around this system; discuss and try to get an agreement first, vote later. After vote their will be opposition, but that's how things will ALWAYS be. (Also, RFA on GWW were voted on, popularity contests, without any form of consensus. Basically, your entire argument is voided.) - Infinite - talk 19:38, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
I'll see if I can get another post in before I leave for my commute, but I wanted to at least point out your mistake you just made. You said "RFA on GWW were voted on, popularity contests, without any form of consensus. Basically, your entire argument is voided." Perhaps you failed to read my statement, "You can fight for changing all consensus-based decision-making to majority". A RfA is not a consensus-based decision. Please read carefully before trying to dismiss another user's rebuttal and allowing it to backfire on you. — Gares 19:46, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Didn't backfire. Basically this little discussion here proved my point. Consensus will not be reached here. So basically anyone could be a jackass and disagree with anything at random and consensus cannot be reached. You NEED votes in ANY form of community. You just need to allow community to find a medium (a.k.a: consensus) before calling in the majority vote to decide. Simple, stop taking this out of context. - Infinite - talk 19:55, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
If someone is being a jackass to disrupt (or "hijack") a discussion specifically to prevent consensus being reached, they would be blocked by an administrator. (As an aside, I'd much prefer a group of dictators (oligarchs?) than a democracy.) pling User Pling sig.png 20:03, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) I just want to point out that I don't think Pling's talk page is the place for this type of discussion (that has been heard time and again). " refuse to have this position handed to a sysop/bureaucrat, because they can be biased toward the issue" This is what is wrong with your current thoughts. Sysops are administrated for many reasons but one is to show a non-bias attitude. We, as a wiki community, need to have faith that personal disagreements will not sway a sysop to do whatever they please. @infinite, you talk as though the wiki should be run like a democracy, but your very statement demonstrates that you think it is under authoritarian rule. If I had to pick a governemntal form, I'd say it should be more like isocracy (everybody has equal power). Do not attempt to twist words here, when I say equal power, I mean that everyone's voice is the same. Admins are still needed for various tasks, but they're "say" does not count for more. For some reason you have started a rush to implement policies. I had started the same, I even went to far as to set a deadline of sept 1, but this was wrong of me as well. As long as an active discussion is active, then there should be no deadline. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 20:03, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
By the way, a vote is much easier to hijack. pling User Pling sig.png 20:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Err, my ideal version of how to run things would basically be much like your views. A handful of users the community puts forward in general consensus (or when that can't be fully reached, majority) would be able to carry out administrator issues. For the rest of it, we should all have equal vote. Try to reach consensus first, but never abandon the moment where consensus cannot be reached. If majority votes for something, any admin is required to follow that majority (again, after serious attempts to reach consensus). This includes abandoning their own minority view, if need be. In favour of documenting things properly and as soon and good as possible, consensus discussions should be limited if points start to repeat and overruled by a majority vote if applicable. Not setting time limits means waiting and waiting doesn't accomplish anything whilst documenting. Does it now? Also, @pling: Hijacked as in multiple accounts? Aren't accounts tied to IPs? Hijacking can easily be countered with admin powers. - Infinite - talk 20:34, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Accounts can be made through proxies, so it wouldn't be the same IP.--User Oneshot O.JPGne shot. 20:55, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Then have the system pling keeps mentioning, that's the only fail-proof way to do things, apparently. - Infinite - talk 20:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Hypothetical Question

Am I allowed to remove a link to a leaked video from my talk page? Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 17:39, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

That doesn't sound very hypothetical :P. Also while you are at it, could you ask if we can remove the links from the user's userpage as well? Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 17:42, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Its hypothetical in the hypothetical sense Venom :P. But yeah...might as well? Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 17:46, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
I think the links have been removed by now; I suspect due to the trolling nature of the posts as well. pling User Pling sig.png 18:51, 23 August 2010 (UTC)



:) — Scythe 23:28, 19 Sep 2010 (UTC)

I have to second that thanks. Scythe was active for what; a day? And already all hell broke loose,... --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 23:33, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
just saying, i doubt i made 119 edits (count during ban) in a day. — Scythe 1:38, 23 Sep 2010 (UTC)

hope you dont mind

I've acknowledged your all-mighty-RC-stalking skillz in a welcome template :D — Scythe 2:37, 28 Sep 2010 (UTC)

Welcome templates, particularly one as intrusive, pretentious and incomprehensible as that, are not acceptable. It needs to be removed from User talk:Drub. If you really feel like welcoming someone, welcome them, don't shout nonsensically at their face. pling User Pling sig.png 13:37, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
^ That. poke | talk 20:59, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
That template... I can honestly say is... atrocious! It is hostile and sarcastic, on top of everything pling said. --Lania User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg22:17, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

CAJOS block

Just wanted to tell you, I don't think he should have been blocked. I don't see any edit warring (apart from removing content from his talk page 3 times, which he stopped after being asked to archive it instead by me), I don't feel that link was disruptive and I didn't see him being given any "chances" either. That leaves only the NPA, which occured in a nonsense discussion that Felix initiated and was not all that personalized either.

What I saw was a random user feeling provoked on his talk page, deleting that and then getting pissed off at everyone jumping at him for deleting it. For me that was not so much a failure of the user, but rather a failure on the side of the entire community in properly engaging him. --Xeeron 15:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

It was not nonsense. Felix Omni Signature.png 15:31, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Ok, let me rephrase that as "a discussion *I* could not find any sense in". --Xeeron 15:41, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Meh, I don't really lean one way or the other. The user became hostile after a few others mishandled the situation, but even then, the myriad of personal attacks is a bit much. -Auron 15:50, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Surely you curse the policeman to hell who just fined you for something you weren't aware of doing wrong and then later on in the news hear about that people disagree with fining people for the thing you were just fined for, hours before. It's only natural that some people speak those curses out loud and others only think them. - Infinite - talk 15:54, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) I agree that he got pissed off by various users, but I don't find what he did while pissed off acceptable. The link was trolling, in my opinion. If he's so pissed off to do those things (which I find disruptive), he could use a time-out too. I do agree that the community failed to engage him properly, but his reaction was not of understanding and concession, so I don't think he's completely faultless.
Since said community members contributed to the disruption, should they be blocked if Cajos is also? Was their contribution to the disruption too indirect? Gares' comment about a lack of sysop cohesion was a fair one, so I'm interested to know what you think. If the sysop consensus is against the block, I'll undo it. pling User Pling sig.png 15:59, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
I think 3 days might have been a bit long, but the user needed a break. I wouldn't block the other involved users this time, but hand out some warnings. If they keep on aggravating users under the guise of PP, then block. --JonTheMon 16:15, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Problems using PP

Taking this here from the notice board, since it is not directly related to cajos.

"quick-archiving (an issue separate to this discussion) has in practice been reverted and regarded as a no-no". I want to use this to point out my problems with PP (or to be more exact, with all forms of rules that are only vaguely defined as "what we usually do", without place to read up no what exactly is meant). As I already said on the noticeboard, I feel that PP requires all users to explain PP to new users. I tried my best to do so in this edit. As it turns out, my best was not good enough, since I forgot to mention that quick-archiving is not allowed. So admin A told him something (archiving is ok, no mention of timing), and a short while later admin B blocked him, in part, for a reason that contradicts admin A (archiving is not ok, if done too quickly). There is no way the user can have understood my talk page entry other than "it is ok to archive and to quickarchive".

So, even when I deliberately tried to be polite and explain stuff, I still set him up to be blocked, among other reasons, for following my advise. It would have been better if I could have added a GW2W:TALK link to avoid that. --Xeeron 15:57, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I think talk pages qualify for a Formatting article, rather than a policy. Felix Omni Signature.png 16:04, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
This is a single case where having a guideline to link to might have had a benefit. There are 3 years' worth of examples of policy-linking exacerbating situations on GWW, so I think it's a little early to start calling the entire system flawed based on this scenario (where you were pretty much the only person who understood what you were doing, and everyone else was just rubbing salt in the wound).
A decent middle ground would be to put some stuff in writing to make it easier to link to, but to make it obvious that it isn't "policy" and that adherence to it isn't required, merely suggested. I wouldn't ban someone for not archiving - it's courtesy at best, everything I need is in the history already. As long as people don't jump all over a new user trying to enforce things they haven't a clue about, PP should work fine. This is a case of a bunch of ignorant people with good intentions screwing up, not the system being broken. -Auron 16:09, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
PP is still a stub; a section on talk page etiquette could be useful so new users can learn and old users can link to it. Alternatively, update Help:Archiving. pling User Pling sig.png 16:19, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
I agree... a little more meat on the PP could be helpful, and like Auron said, make it clear that this isn't a policy. I think there is still too many people who don't understand PP who come from other game wikis and think that either it's a policy or we have the same set of policies from GW1W or guildwikia. --Lania User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg17:25, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
I don't really mind the exact place where we write down stuff, but we should have a quotable page to refer people to where they can read how we expect them to behave with respect to stuff like archiving, deleting, images, etc. --Xeeron 09:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Either as Pling said Help:Archiving, although it's difficult to point to a help topic as a guideline, or make GW2W:Formatting/Archives or something like that. Felix Omni Signature.png 20:23, 29 September 2010 (UTC)


No edit section

I may be completely wrong here, but I'm trying to remove the edit buttons from a page. I vaguely recall there to be something that can be placed at the top of a page similar to __NOTOC__. maybe noedit, or noeditsection. I tried those, but I'm unsure if capitalization plays a role (fairly certain it does). Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 17:54, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

dang, as soon as I hit save, I remembered where I had seen it used. it's __NOEDITSECTION__. Thanks anyways. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 17:57, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
You're welcome. I aim to please. pling User Pling sig.png 18:10, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

As you are my person for all issues wiki-cratic

Would it be okay (ish) if I switched my name through use of usermerge? Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 20:29, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

That's the point of it, yes. poke | talk 21:27, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Yep, see Guild Wars 2 Wiki:Requests for user merge, and add a request there. pling User Pling sig.png 22:09, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


Venom, Eive and I have finally ended our (RC filling) war over Halloween designs. Could you please upload this please? (And general consensus was reached on the post where I originally suggested it...) Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 18:34, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I see nothing suggested on Main Page/editcopy nor discussed on Talk:Main Page/editcopy, no [[GW2W:RFC|requests for comments]], and I'm not convinced User talk:Aquadrizzt/Sandbox/Main Page#Halloween and Talk:Main Page show a consensual agreement for that design. pling User Pling sig.png 19:34, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
done, done, done, and done. Now we'll just sit back and wait for discussions. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 20:15, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Lets sit and wait for Halloween... :P ;) Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 21:42, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I need help...

I've tried doing the same thing on my User:Freyr/heroes as Ge4ce has done with the class="expandables" but they don't seem to work, and I don't know what to do about it. I already posted this here but seeing as no one noticed, I figured I could ask you instead. Thanks :) -- Freyr | T 08:49, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I think people have noticed now :) pling User Pling sig.png 17:16, 28 October 2010 (UTC)



That really slipped my mind, though it is kinda funny, right? :3 --NeilUser Neil2250 sig icon5 Anti.png 22:30, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Sysop/Bcrat discretion log

Should we have one? Or should items that would fall under that be put on the noticeboard/noticeboard talk? --JonTheMon 20:17, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Hell naw. Felix Omni Signature.png 22:00, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Very much no. It was a frankly ridiculous idea on GWW and is an even more ridiculous idea on GW2W. Everything we do involves discretion of one sort or another, whether obvious or unobvious. If the reason for an action is too long to fit in the associated summary box, that's what a link to a relevant talk page is for. - Tanetris 23:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
What they said. pling User Pling sig.png 00:09, 30 November 2010 (UTC)



Hey Pling,
I put up an RFA in my userspace and I want your opinion on it, for the content (my RFA), but also the format I have used.
As noted on that page, the methods for deliberation are up to you (and the other bureaucrats). As this sets a precedent, I figured it would be good for the RFA to be relatively free form.
--Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 01:27, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


Is this File:User Plingggggg sig.png Needed? It's in double redirect section linking to your talk and your current sig... Ariyen 20:04, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes - see the note on Special:DoubleRedirects. pling User Pling sig.png 20:35, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Ah, didn't notice that part... It was a curiosity more than anything. :-) Ariyen 20:40, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
np pling User Pling sig.png 21:39, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
With the double redirects that's left. When I click on a redirect link. It only directs me to another redirect... and some I don't know how they could be fixed with their double redirects... Ariyen 22:04, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
I fixed the remaining ones - you just have to click the redirect link, edit, and change the redirect to go to the final location. pling User Pling sig.png 22:16, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


Do you know of any good gfdl smilies? Trying to find one that I feel better suits the page... Atm, I'm sucking at the one I am making. X-( Ariyen 02:09, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Public domain smileys: :) :( :D :o :P :] ;) ;P ^^ <_<. poke | talk 00:03, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

Here too <3 poke | talk 00:03, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Bastard beat me. Happy Birthday! --Naut User Naut Dark Blue Monk.png 00:04, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
happy B-day? :D --User The Holy Dragons sig.pngThe Holy Dragons 00:23, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Happy birthday Pling! Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 00:37, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Hapburp Felix Omni Signature.png 03:43, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Yadhtrib yppah.--NeilUser Neil2250 sig icon5 Anti.png 13:34, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Mqjb q jbfz mqccz pofhmaqz! --Riddle 19:07, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks all :) pling User Pling sig.png 19:47, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Happy Birthday :)--Azertah 19:56, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
You're too late >:( he already said Thanks! --User The Holy Dragons sig.pngThe Holy Dragons 22:42, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Happy birthday, most Plingest of all! --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 23:10, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Happy birthday! - Lucian Shadowborn User Aios sig.png 23:24, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Happy B-Day man, sorry I'm late. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 17:40, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

A lil' help from above.

Heya Pling and others who would like to look, I'm novice at best with coding so I want to ask for your help. I recently edited this for the game. Of course, it is no where near done as everyone expressed the need to modify until the release but can you please take a look at the coding and see if everything is supposed to work the way its' meant to? I copied the code from the original wiki but did make some changes such as: links are now black for a neat and clean look, color is soft grey, and the width is a tad bit more. I think I hammered out most of the problems with the image name but I'm not too confident. Thanks! - Lucian Shadowborn User Aios sig.png 05:03, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I believe we previously had a discussion about links and keeping them in their default colours. This was to avoid confusion or lack of information communication. I might be wrong in thinking it was on GW2W, though. - Infinite - talk 14:26, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm not the best person to ask about infobox coding... pling User Pling sig.png 17:19, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the fix infinite. - Lucian Shadowborn User Aios sig.png 21:17, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


Not sure if this was discussed anywhere so I figured I'd ask you instead of dig for something that may not exist. Should this wiki have its version of gw1:Template:Rewrite? It already has its respective category, and I noticed the template doesn't exist, so I got wondering... -- Konig/talk 06:08, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind as while I was typing this, I realized just now, Venom20 made the template on this wiki. -- Konig/talk 07:39, 30 December 2010 (UTC)