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And welcome :P. --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 17:03, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Naoroji, its fun to be at the wiki now, when I finally can get a nice looking page.--AdventurerPotatoe 09:48, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

You'll hate me for this.[edit]

It's potato User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 13:59, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

I know, but I like this spelling more. ;) Actually I correct people all the time, this my only exception, so I wont hate you. --AdventurerPotatoe 14:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Actually* /run - Infinite - talk 14:09, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Fix'd! --AdventurerPotatoe 14:15, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Fixed* *gets the hell outta dodge*
Yes, I know it's "out of" User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 22:09, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Lol, Fix'd is a The Guild reference, Zaboo says stuff like; Subscrib'd, Fix'd, Naked'd, get it? --AdventurerPotatoe 22:15, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
And Zaboo'd! xD - Infinite - talk 22:41, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Yay! Another The Guild fan! You heard that season 4 starts 13 July? I barely cant wait! Anyways ince you're here I might as well shoot you... *BOOM!* HEADSHOT --AdventurerPotatoe 23:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
SEASONS 4? ;o Felicia Day <3 --Naut User Naut Dark Blue Monk.png 00:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Oooooh yessssssss. I think XBOX Live users have access to Season 4 episodes already, though.... But more coming soon on the internet! - Infinite - talk 00:14, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
according to urban dictionary, Potatoe is the Japanese translation of the word 'emo.' Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 01:26, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Emo'd--AdventurerPotatoe 10:09, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Lol. Speaking of "The Guild", just watched Season 4's Episode 1 earlier. I'm interested in more. X-D (Just wasn't enough lol) --Ariyen 05:44, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


You can use {{User:Aquadrizzt/Sandbox/Userbox/A-Club}} for your A-Club userbox. :-) Ariyen 08:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Ariyen! :) --AdventurerPotatoe 10:10, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Yes...before Amannelle says it...;)...welcome... Aquadrizzt Main Page Designer 02:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi! Y'know, if you upload an icon you could be a part of that userbox ;)

I uploaded one - User A F K When Needed Potato icon.jpg - which you can use if ya like, it should be around for forever and a day as I was quite careful with copyright. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 17:09, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Wow, thanks AFK! Should I ctrl+c ctrl+v or is there any special way of using them?--AdventurerPotatoe 21:42, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
You can do this (You can copy the following code to use in your signature) [[File:User A F K When Needed Potato icon.jpg|19px]] --Ariyen 05:42, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Actually please use [[File:User A F K When Needed Potato icon.jpg|19px|link=User(_talk):AdventurerPotatoe]]
Remove the brackets to get people clicking on it to be sent to your talk page, remove the brackets and the text inside to get people clicking on it to be sent to your user page.
Persumably this image will be renamed at some point so you'll need to change your preferences one more time at a later date.
Cheers! User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 12:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


File talk:User AdventurerPotatoe PotatoeSylvari.png Help, pl0x D: --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 14:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


Hi there.

Would you like people who click the potato to be brought to your user page or talk page? User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 12:11, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

What about my contributions?--AdventurerPotatoe User A F K When Needed Potato icon.jpg - 14:33, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
As far as I know it's deemed necessary to be able to easily get to the page of the image (e.g. without having to bother manipulating the URL manually). On a user / talk page you can click a link at the top which will send you back to the page of the image, but that link fails to appear on your contributions page.
If you insist I'll do the redirect to your contributions as you request, but I think it'd be better to stick the icon at the start of your signature, and then you can have the User|Talk|Contributions link you appear to be after in the order you appear to be after.
Your signature and your call at the end of the day. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 00:15, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
I insist.--AdventurerPotatoe User A F K When Needed Potato icon.jpg - 00:18, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

I gotta try this sometime[edit]

D/N Reaper of Dhuum Scythe Mastery: 8+1 Wind Prayers: 12+1+1 Curses: 11

gw1:File:Shivers of Dread.jpg gw1:File:Spinal Shivers.jpg gw1:File:Whirling Charge.jpg gw1:File:Zealous Sweep.jpg gw1:File:Zealous Vow.jpg

And ofcourse, wield a Cold S-ythe, I hope my build is awesome. :P --AdventurerPotatoe User A F K When Needed Potato icon.jpg - 21:14, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

I used to run a N/A build in some minor pvp areas (AB, JQ, FA) for fun that revolved around spinal shivers. I used reapers mark and spinal shivers, and some cover hex, Rigor Mortis I think. Shadowstep to them and fairwell caster. It was fun. Also to note, barbs won't work with a cold weapon. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 19:31, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
I'll take away barbs then, any ideas on improvements? --AdventurerPotatoe User A F K When Needed Potato icon.jpg - 19:44, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Might want to throw in whirling charge for increased attack/movement. I rarely ever play with my dervish so I might not know the best skills to use pvp. The scythe is slow, I'd be interested to see how this turns out :o Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 20:18, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Good idea. --AdventurerPotatoe User A F K When Needed Potato icon.jpg - 21:38, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Necromancer, confirmed.[edit]

If this is true, I'd love to see a link or something where ANet confirmed this! I hadn't heard of any further knowledge about the Necromancer's fate past the appearance of a Sylvari Necromancer in Ghosts of Ascalon. Nykki 00:21, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

They mentioned it when speaking of Ghosts of Ascalon in an article, I looked for it, though I couldnt find it. --AdventurerPotatoe User A F K When Needed Potato icon.jpg - 00:27, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

About your sig...[edit]

I don't think we're allowed to have animated images for our signatures as it slows down pages. I could be wrong, so don't change it unless someone smarter than I tells you to, but be prepared. :P EiveTalk 01:22, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 01:23, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi; that is most certainly not permitted.
You may ask an Administrator if you prefer to hear it from one of them. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 12:49, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

(RI) I have added a deletion tag to the image, and I have removed the redirect to your contributions. The deletion tag due to animated signature images not being allowed. The redirect removal as it makes it more time consuming for people to get to - as I told you previously - and there's no need to give the Administrator deleting it more work to do.

I would again ask you reconsider linking to your contributions from a signature image. Have a nice day. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 13:40, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I asked Pling instead, he havent answered yet, there's one other member that uses a sig image that is way bigger(in kB) than mine. Secondly, remove the deletion tag, I will upload an new unanimated version with the same file name if Pling says no to it. --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 13:47, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
The current stale-but-generally-adherred-to policy proposal says absolutely not we shall see what Pling says, and you have my word I'll accept his judgement either way.
However I do find it hard to believe he'll give you the green light, as the very idea of a long talk page with a flashing image on every second line makes my head hurt. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 17:31, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


do you have it? =D --User The Holy Dragons sig.pngThe Holy Dragons 20:25, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I do, but it contains my real name, got Steam? --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 20:26, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
No sorry I don't :( anywayz my MSN is on my talk page anywayz ^^ and we still have wiki don't we =D --User The Holy Dragons sig.pngThe Holy Dragons 20:31, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
*Sigh* Maybe theres some chat website out there on the internetz? --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 20:33, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
I heard my talk page was a pretty good one (nah kidding :P I don't want to annoy Cyan XD) --User The Holy Dragons sig.pngThe Holy Dragons 20:34, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Lets go to the Google cave! Googlemobile drives away and searches the internetz. --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 20:36, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) - Infinite - talk 20:36, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Create public group: The Seraphim? Does that sound like a good idea, Holy? --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 20:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
yay =D (at Chatango BTW?)--User The Holy Dragons sig.pngThe Holy Dragons 20:40, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Yeah. --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 20:41, 26 January 2011 (UTC) I created that, blah blah. - Infinite - talk 20:52, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Yay or something! --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 20:54, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
hi =D --User The Holy Dragons sig.pngThe Holy Dragons 20:54, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
COME TO CHAT! NOW! or else :O --you like that don't you..The Holy Dragons 19:36, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Season 5[edit]

Of The Guild officially announced. <3 - Infinite - talk 23:30, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

OMG! Yay! How did I miss this? I'm hyped! :D --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 13:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
you're never @ the chatroom D: --User The Holy Dragons sig.pngThe Holy Dragons 18:05, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I was alot in the start, but now I havent looked at GW2 that much with the new Minecraft update and some stuff. For example, I'm gonna watch Magnum P.I. Rite nao. --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 19:39, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
WORLD DOMINATION!!!!!!!!!!!! --you like that don't you..The Holy Dragons 22:50, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Wrong conclusions[edit]

moved from Talk:Professions reveal

Mesmers arent the only possible profession left to return. They said that the Assassin had its roots in Cantha, not all professions from other countries never spread to the rest of the world. Remember that the Guardian came from 250 years of Paragon and Monk teaching merging together? --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 23:24, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

I think the thinking was done like this:

no monk, only proph names (as they don't want to that apparently).
leaving only the mesmer.--SierraUser Sierra-Echo flame.pngThat's me 23:29, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Where'd you get that 'only proph names' from? I think that part should be removed, its speculation. --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 23:32, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
This was also asked in the section #Revert on upcoming. - Infinite - talk 23:45, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Each of the non-Prophecies professions is deeply rooted in its campaign's continent. Guardian example definitely doesn't help – it's the guardian, not the paragon. –~=Ϛρѧякγ AHHH! (τѧιк) ←♥– 23:49, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
We've made a pretty shoddy interpretation on the reference given:
*1: They said that they didn't want to give the name assassin to the thief because they wanted to avoid parallels between GW2 and Cantha.
*2: They say this because Cantha will initially be inaccessible during the initial release of GW2, which automatically cuts out the ritualist as well.
*3: Elona is also inaccessible during the initial release of GW2, but we know this from a separate source.
*4: If they don't want to draw parallels between the Canthan assassin and GW2, then by rule of deduction they should apply that same line of thought with the elonian dervish and paragon.
*5: We know from yet another source that monks aren't going to be included, and four of the other original professions have already been revealed, leaving the mesmer as the strongest candidate for an upcoming profession.
Number 4 is the part that isn't explicitly mentioned anywhere, it's just really good speculation. Number 5 follows after number 4. So as far as I care, it doesn't matter if the note stays or is taken off, it doesn't offer any new information. Of course, I'm just reverberating information that's already been discussed, so...yeah.(Xu Davella 23:55, 19 March 2011 (UTC))
The only reason why the mesmer is the returning profession is because it is a returning profession in name, tied to the original GW. This is monk or mesmer and monks have been officially rewritten in the lore. It simply leaves mesmer.
The other upcoming profession is a new one and is in no way related to the original GW. - Infinite - talk 00:00, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Since travel between tyria and elona does excist thanks ot the order of whispers but not available for players it makes me wonder if teachings of professions from elona could still make it to elona. We have the guardian who is basicly a paragon/prot monk/weapons rit and the thief an assassin/trapper, so why would it not be possible for the last 2 professions to have skills based former non-core professions (altough i agree on that the mesmer will return since it's basicly a gw only class and we are also still missing the hex mechanic in gw2). Altough the 3 core arche types (the holy trinity tank, dps, heal) are not gonna be present it does seem that gw2 is gonna use sub-arche types like the durable frontliner (warrior), nuker (elementalist), beastmaster (ranger),undead summoner (necromancer), rogue (thief) and paladin (guardian). With that in mind it makes me wonder if there will be a spellblade class (dervish in gw1) will be returning as well as the last traveler class. Damysticreaper 12:57, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Okay, if anyone here didnt get it, if ANet wants to, they can write any lore they want to back it up and make an exception.Its an unfalsifiable hypothesis, none can argue with that. --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 13:22, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
The mesmer is the profession that is coming back, I will bet my soul on it. The evidence is strong, although the only proof that could exist is if someone either worked at ArenaNET or came back to save Sarah Connor from the year 2037. The Krytan Queen is a mesmer. The armor art from various shots is identical to the armor art from Guild Wars 1 mesmers. Mesmers are one of the most unique professions in Guild Wars 1. They are coming back. Quitcho whining. — Omigawa User Omigawa Wikisig.png 7:30, 29 Jan 2011 (UTC) 14:42, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) (Reset indent) "at least one was a returning profession, at least one was similar with a different name, and at least one was new"; Returning profession means with the same name, for reasons above, this can only be the mesmer. One similar with a different name is the thief, which is near-fully based on the assassin. One new one is the guardian. I'm not saying the last profession does not necessarily root into a foreign gw1 profession, I'm only saying that the mesmer is, no matter how you twist words around, the only candidate for the returning profession. The only other option is monk and the guardian backstory tells us what happened to them. - Infinite - talk 14:43, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

IMO, it's speculation. ArenaNet has never said that "they did not want to draw any lore parallels between Tyria and the other continents since players would initially not be able to visit Cantha or Elona"; ArenaNet has said that about Cantha only. Of course, one could interpret that information and assume it works for both Cantha and Elona, but that's what speculation is. Unless it's stated with all letters by ArenaNet, I don't think it should be on this article. Erasculio 14:47, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
They did not want to make lore parallels with Cantha, which is not available in initial release, the same goes for Elona. I think it's calling speculation on something that was (admittedly) left out, but still due to phrasing completely applicable. And even if it wasn't, the paragon has already been reworked into the guardian and the dervish can not return in name, as that beats its definition (due to some races not being religious). It's obvious as to why they didn't state this; the community should know this by default. ;) - Infinite - talk 14:56, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
I would rather leave only ArenaNet's statement, and let people take their own conclusions (which will be the same thing stated above, but that will be people's own conclusions). After everything we have done to remove speculation, keeping something that is actually just speculation on this article isn't sitting well with me. Erasculio 15:03, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
I don't think deduction = speculation, but I'm fine with leaving the raw statement. - Infinite - talk 15:04, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
We cannot make any conclusions, ANet can make any exceptions they want. As long as they doesnt say that no foreign professions(from Tyrian perspective) will return, its speculation. None can argue with that since its unfalsifiable. End of discussion. (Fyi, I think Mesmers will return, I'm just saying we cant know for sure yet)--AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 15:08, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Then why talk about it? You can't know anything for sure. How do you know life didn't begin the second you read this message, and all those "memories" you have were pre-programmed into your brain? — Omigawa User Omigawa Wikisig.png 7:30, 29 Jan 2011 (UTC) 15:20, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
I cant know that. But that doesnt matter, what matters is that the Mesmer ist the only possible returning profession. It could be any other profession. --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 15:45, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
You're right, but much like the rest of reasonable humanity, we don't tend to question strong evidence. There is ONLY ONE returning profession. There is overwhelming evidence for mesmer. You would be as intelligent to question the mesmer's return as you would be to question whether reality really did begin 15 minutes ago. — Omigawa User Omigawa Wikisig.png 7:30, 29 Jan 2011 (UTC) 15:55, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
You're missing the pont, the point is that you cant prove Mesmers with that evidence. --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 17:23, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Respectfully, take it to the user space (and read the banner above. Kthnxbai. Aqua (T|C) 17:25, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) x2 "we don't tend to question strong evidence": we do so here, actually. The issue is that more often than not what is "strong evidence" and what isn't is in the eye of the beholder. To give a very palpable example: take all those theories about how GW2 works from GW2G. Most of them are ridiculous, but those proposing them actually believe they have strong evidence of how they are right. If those theories were added to this wiki's mainspace, we would have to waste a very long time just trying to convince people that no, GW2 won't be dominated by "LF for Guardian to go" and etc. That's one of the reasons why we don't add speculation to this wiki - the difference between "wild and completely baseless guess" and "refined and objective deduction" is not so clear to everyone, so we better not have any kind of speculation at all.
It's obvious that the returning profession is the mesmer. We have the mesmer wallpaper, we know mesmers are one of the three kinds of spellcasters in the world of GW2 (with the other two being the other scholar professions), we know one of the two remaining professions is a returning one, and so on. Yet we are not stating with all the letters that the mesmer will return at the mesmer article since ArenaNet has not said so (yet), and therefore any such claim would be speculation. It's better to just state the facts, and let people make their own leaps of logic from there. Erasculio 17:29, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Fair statement. So. Facts: One more profession is returning. There are Mesmers in Guild Wars 2. There is a wallpaper that bears an exact resemblance to a Mesmer. There is one more scholar profession. So, if the overwhelming evidence for Mesmer's return is indicative of their return, then Mesmer is the only profession that is returning. — Omigawa User Omigawa Wikisig.png 7:30, 29 Jan 2011 (UTC) 17:51, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
I agree. But for the reasons above, I would only keep at the mainspace here everything you said until "So, if the"... The rest can be deduced by anyone who reads it. Erasculio 17:58, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) The raw facts on the returning professions are as follows:

  • We have already seen the warrior, ranger, necromancer and elementalist return. There will be one more returning profession.
  • We found out that the assassin-remake has been named thief to not draw parallels between Canthan lore and GW2 lore, because Cantha will not be available in the initial release. This rules out both ritualist and assassin as the returning profession.
  • The guardian backstory explicitly mentions monks and paragons. Neither of those can return.
  • The two remaining possibilities are mesmer and dervish. The dervish can not return in *name* because not all races are religious (namely charr, asura and sylvari). Following this, the dervish profession may have been remade to fit the last adventurer, but not the scholar.
  • Adding up all points leaves mesmer, being the only applicable profession that could make a return. Read, again, it needs to return in its original name, which is what the source says. Therefore, with no speculation involved, the returning profession is the mesmer. - Infinite - talk 18:03, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
No. ANet can make exceptions how much they want to. They can say that the Ritualist will return whenever they want too. We cant base too much on what ANet says, they're not always political correct. I've seen them say things that seem stupid to an active GW2 fan just to keep it simple. They didnt want to draw any lore paralells between Tyria and Cantha, because the ASSASSIN(not all professions) has its roots very deep in Cantha. At any point they can say that Ritualists have always been and didnt have its roots in Cantha. We know that there are Ritualists in Elona too. --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 18:23, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
So now you're saying to not take the facts literally? What is wrong with you? After saying speculation is bad, you're saying we should speculate on THEIR STATED FACTS? — Omigawa User Omigawa Wikisig.png 7:30, 29 Jan 2011 (UTC) 18:33, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
"The dervish can not return in *name* because not all races are religious (namely charr, asura and sylvari). Following this, the dervish profession may have been remade to fit the last adventurer, but not the scholar": that's speculation; as in, ArenaNet has never stated that. Again, IMO it would be much simpler to just state the facts we have been told and leave it open to interpretation. 99% of the reasonable people who read it will come to the same conclusion everyone here has (the mesmer is the returning profession). Leaving room for adding speculation based on deduction is allowing others to add to the wiki information based on their own, often flawed and misguised, deduction. Erasculio 18:40, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) It's alright, Omigawa. :P
The Canthan roots for ritualists are stronger than for the assassin. And if we can't document based on what ArenaNet, half this wiki should be taken down. :< - Infinite - talk 18:42, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
And how is those 3 races not being religious speculation? Or do you mean the latter point? I based that on the fact that mesmer would be a scholar, I guess that part *is* speculation. - Infinite - talk 18:42, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Well it's nice and all that anet can change things as much as they like, but i doubt anet is gonna make exceptions in their well thought over story line and will do things others not fitting the story background. Seeing all the fact-based evidence going towards the return of the mesmer it would be highly unlikly almost stupid to think the ritualist would return just because anet would be making exceptions. The only thing that is open for speculation is the last traveler profession wich in my speculations will be spellblade class partially based on the dervish. Damysticreaper 19:09, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Okay, my point is that making Assassins into Thieves does not restrict ANet to include Paragons, Ritualists or whatevs just because they Assassins had its roots deep in Cantha. Even when all connections to Elona was cut off, there must've been Tyrian Paragons so that Paragons and Monk could evolve into the Guardian. The White Mantle had Ritualists and somehow Elona had Ritualists with no known connection to Cantha. ANet can twist and bend lore how much they want too. I'm not arguing against Mesmers, I'm arguing against the evidence for it. --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 19:25, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
The ritualists in Tyria were not like the ritualists in Cantha in lore. It's not twisting lore, it's two entities which happen to share name. And as I said, the guardian backstory tells us what happened to paragons and monks. The evidence (save the classification of armor) is as how put it, at this moment in time. By ruling out, following said evidence, there is indirect evidence of the mesmer profession. The line in the article may/should be altered as such. Note that indirect evidence does not equal speculation. If it did equal speculation, I wouldn't be defending it. :P - Infinite - talk 21:22, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
The point in which me and you disagree with is on what speculation is. I don't think deduction from indirect evidence is any different from speculation; I rather expect most speculation to come from indirect evidence, instead of being just baseless guesses. The thing is, even that kind of speculation is not necessarily correct. For example:
  • ArenaNet has told us that at least two professions other than rangers can use pets (the link is in this article).
  • When describing the rangers, ArenaNet made it clear that pets are animal companions (which is why the article in this wiki about pets is entirely about animal companions).
  • Of the known profession, no one other than rangers uses those animal companions.
  • There are only two professions left to be released.
  • Therefore, those two remaining professions will also use animal companions.
  • A suporting argument is the fact that there are animal companions rewards from the Hall of Monuments. No other reward is exclusive to a single profession; all weapons can be used by more than one of them. Therefore, it's only logical to expect that the animal companions rewards from the HoM also won't be used for a single profession, the ranger, and so it's more evidence that the two unknown professions will also use animal companions.
Yet we know all of the above is wrong; by "pets", ArenaNet actually meant not specifically what they had described earlier as pets (the animal companions), rather also things such as minions. It's very likely that only rangers will use the animal companions. But if we were talking about deduction, someone could put fort the argument above and demand that, if we add the deduction about mesmers being the returning profession, we should also add the deduction that mesmers will use animal companions in GW2. Erasculio 21:35, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Show me how one would deduce that with two remaining professions to be revealed, before calling it out. - Infinite - talk 21:43, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Deduce that the above is not true, or that it's true? Erasculio 22:16, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Holy crap. I get nuked by walls of 'NOSPECULATIONUSERSPACENAO' for drawing logical conclusions on the Mesmer talk page, citing the fact that I put it on that page specifically to avoid a big battle like this one, and yet I see some of the same people who called me out engaging in it here. Gotta love blatant, unabashed, shameless hypocrisy.--Ph03n1x 02:55, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Are you even reading this discussion? Sounds like a very dumb thing to write, IMO.(Xu Davella 05:25, 21 March 2011 (UTC))
Yes, I am even reading this conversation. I read the whole thing, and IMO, it's pretty dumb to completely discount a valid claim just because you may fit the category of people to whom I'm referring.--Ph03n1x 06:06, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
...OK. (Xu Davella 08:05, 21 March 2011 (UTC))
I was not speculating; I was deducing a possible change to the article, based on the facts used in and for said article. If it was speculation I would go something like: "It's a mesmer, it's a scholar and obviously uses these weapons, has this many sets, yadayada."
"we should also add the deduction that mesmers will use animal companions in GW2." That one. I can not find any way to deduce that out of the two remaining professions, it *has* to be mesmer, even if you take the fact that we still don't know whether minions are actually pets into account. - Infinite - talk 12:33, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
When GW came out animal companions and minions were both concidered pets, how do i know?.
Quote from my Guild Wars Official Game Guide section pets :Pets are similar to henchmen in that they can't be directly controlled and are subject to gaining experience and dying as they travel with you, but the similarities end there. A character can obtain pets in one of two ways.
Rangers acquire pets by using the Charm Animal skill. After taming an animal, any time they enter a mission or explorable area with Charm Animal on their Skill Bar, the pet appears besides them and stays with them untill death or untill the Ranger enters a town or outpost. Animal Companions range from Melandru's Stalker (cats), to moa birds, to wolves and other beasts. Just about any animal that shows green can be tamed. Rangers can also improve their pets trough the Beast Mastery attribute and related skills and their pets gain level much like henchmen do during battle.
Necromancers' pets are more temporary, obtained by animating the corpses of the fallen. These pets eventually expire unless healed or reanimated from a fresh corpse.
After that a third pet user the ritualist came into play with it's spirits when factions came out, but since anet has stated there will be only 2 pet users and we already have the ranger's animal companion and the necromancer's minions so it can be easily concluded the ritualist will not return nor will there be a profession revealed that uses a pet since we already have the 2 petusers revealed the necromancer and the ranger. Damysticreaper 14:08, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
^ There is indeed also that. (Though people continue to claim that it's not applicable to GW2, which is a strange thing to claim.) Either way, the facts we have in hand point out that the mesmer will be the returning profession, albeit indirectly (they haven't actually said; the mesmer will return, though their various other lines combined state, nothing else but the mesmer can make a return). Inexample; x²=x*x even if we hear ArenaNet only announce x², we can conclude x*x is also fact. - Infinite - talk 14:13, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
That was GW1, in GW2 the game guide might say something different, and if you read what Erasculio said, he stated that ANet made clear that pets means animal companions. In another article they said that a number(plural) of professions could use pets besides the Ranger. Two professions are left, atleast two professions must have pets. So, the Mesmer MUST have an animal companion if we can trust ANet's word. --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 15:26, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Could the third adventurer be engineerish that builds robotic pets? Or is that just to silly. nvm. I'm just gonna hop out of this convo and wait for the reveals. --Moto Saxon 15:46, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

It is said on the ranger page that animal companions are pets wich does not mean that all pets are animal companions. Seeing all animal companions as pets is a view from the players not anet. As i already said earlier so far minions in gw1 are seen as pets as well and unless evidence proves otherwise for gw2 with the last traveler reveal (mesmers having a pet is a laughable joke if you ask me) you can say we have 2 pet users so far. If there will be a last pet user wich does not include the necromancer i am interrested wich pet system it uses. Don't think it will be animal companions since tha tbelongs to the ranger wich identifies the ranger as it is i don't think anet would remove that unique aspect of the ranger. Damysticreaper 16:12, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
The wiki isnt perfect. There are facts yet to be added. --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 16:43, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
A number of professions can also equal 1. - Infinite - talk 16:57, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I've already said this once, I'm about to say this again. Take this to the userspace. Aqua (T|C) 17:00, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

The last time i was playing gw1 whit my rit i could go to tyria why would it be impossible that non rit trainers went there and did'nt go back to chanta.

Archive? This has gotten pretty huge and not really related to anything (kind of all over the place). 21:06, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Actually, the vast majority of this discussion was not discussion, but a summary and deducation of facts. At this length, I'd say it's a feat to this talk page, if anything. - Infinite - talk 21:44, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Well if it's a big deduction of facts let's finish this uhh discussion and sum up the facts we have overviewed and try to come to a conclusion with the learned (hard) facts wich profession will apear and wich not. Any other discussion following it will be either archived or send to the user space of the one who started the topic, sounds good? Damysticreaper 11:57, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Maybe I'm missing something, or maybe others are overlooking it... But all of the professions revealed to date had concept art in the GDC 2010, that were done in that profession's GW2 colors. Of the remaining concept art that follows that pattern, only the purple lady holding a fan hasn't been revealed, and the fan is known as a Mesmer's focus. (As is the purple color.) And while the Norn female with a sword, of the unrevealed professions appears to have more Ritualist-like tatoo's than norn, the fact remains that we have yet to see the purple fan wielding lady's profession revealed.--Warzog Watch your six! 20:47, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Everyone, please stop. This discussion was poorly placed to begin with; now stop with the speculation here and take it to a forum or the userspace. Aqua (T|C) 22:01, 24 March 2011 (UTC)


I can haz? :P User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 13:06, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, Steam doesnt really allow me to add or accept anybody and claims that I have no games... I'm not sure it would be very useful. But here it is anyways:

Login name: MatoranIgnika

Try, I dont know if its my login name or the nickname since I never add people that way. :P Why'd you need it? --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 13:30, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

So sorry for the delay; my health evaporated. Hopefully I'll recover fairly quickly.
I was attempting to be social and gain a friend on Steam :P It claims to have found you under the name Woo! I'll be either my username or umop ap!sdn User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 18:02, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Lol. I changed my name to Woo! today, I see you've added me. But Steam claims that I dont own any games and that we cant be friends because of that. I would never want to have steam as my dad;
Me: I have a new friend!
Dad: No, you dont have any games, sorry son.
So yeah, I cant press accept until, well, I dont know... Maybe I need to add YOU? --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 18:39, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
lol your dad seems kinda harsh ._. --you like that don't you..The Holy Dragons 19:00, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
I hope you realize that wasnt for real?... Sorry for being bad to read/or not to read sarcasm over the internet. --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 19:41, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
I lol'd.
You could certainly try it. <--- me
btw, pretty sure THD was only joking with ya User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 20:17, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
I was also pretty sure. But, well, Im me. I am not someone that assumes things. --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 20:53, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Yea I was messing with you Potato (IIRC)--you like that don't you..The Holy Dragons -- 16:53, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Still Amazed[edit]

'bout our hate/love relationship --you like that don't you..The Holy Dragons 06:26, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

*hugs and shoots Holy* --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 12:01, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Die Potato! --you like that don't you..The Holy Dragons -- 16:51, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Potatoe --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe sigimage.gif - 20:13, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
I Spit at the e ! --you like that don't you..The Holy Dragons 19:32, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

How are you doing?[edit]

"Because I'm a potato..." Every time I see your name, I think of that. :P Aqua (T|C) 16:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I dont get it... You bookahs sure are weird... --AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe Engineer tango icon 200px.png - 18:22, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Portal 2? -User Eive Windgrace Harbinger of the Deceiver.png 18:45, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
_I havent played portal... But I heard this game with Asura gates is gonna be great!--AdventurerPotatoe User AdventurerPotatoe Engineer tango icon 200px.png - 18:59, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Your sig...[edit]

Is using the actual tango icon for the engineer. Typically it is best to use one uploaded to your userspace, so that the tango icon doesn't link to a bunch of odd places. -User Eive Windgrace Harbinger of the Deceiver.png 17:43, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I guess I cant use an argument based on that it saves space then? I'll do it now. --AdventurerPotatoe Engineer tango icon 20px.png - 18:05, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
"1KB" Nope. -User Eive Windgrace Harbinger of the Deceiver.png 18:45, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
You already have the space reserved for your old sig, you can just replace the old image instead of creating a new file location on the wiki, too ~~ User Kiomadoushi sig.png Kiomadoushi 18:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Uloading images[edit]

Good day, can you please remember the formatting for uploading images. Especially the parts concerning user images. Thanks, I already corrected a few. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 22:20, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Deleting pages[edit]

Only sysops can delete pages or files, ordinary users can, however, tag them for deletion like you did. --Ventriloquist 15:55, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay, thank you! --AdventurerPotatoe 16:26, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Your images[edit]

Just leaving your images here so they are not unused. —Kvothe (talk) 17:58, 29 December 2020 (UTC)