Talk:Condition Damage

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Vulnerability[edit]

So for Vulnerability, would this lower the armor more or something? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.139.247.68 (talk).

As the name implies, Condition Damage increases condition damage, so vulnerability will not benefit from this since it has a fixed armor denial value of 1% per stack, therefore you will benefit more from Condition Duration (Expertise) if you want to stack Vulnerability. --Rapid Sausage 18:34, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Mechanics[edit]

Would love to have detail on the mechanics of this value, and how it is used by each condition. I don't see weakness causing 100 damage to peeps when applied, from 100, but perhaps that's how it works. Would 5 stacks of vulnerability do 500 damage? Would burning increase the rate of dot, the duration, or just slap on 100 extra damage when applied? 75.220.52.8 14:43, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Condition damage doesn't serve as a flat damage increase for conditions, but rather a value that is used in the calculation of condition damage; For example, Confusion damage is calculated as such 25+(0.5*player level)+(0.075*Condition Damage), while bleeding is calculated as 25+(0.5*player level)+(0.05*Condition Damage), so as you see, condition damage isn't a fixed amount of damage, it's a variable used in the formulas for conditions.
The real question though is, Is there a difference between Malice and Condition Damage?, from what i understand, 1 point in Malice gives 10 points of condition damage, while 1 point of condition damage (from armor) gives only 1 point of condition damage. Can someone shed some light on that? --Rapid Sausage 18:39, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Malice is the historical name for the Condition Damage statistic, with only a couple references to it left, like in Banner of Strength. I think when they removed those names (which was right before BWE1, i.e. the first time I was able to play the game), they also upscaled these stats by 10. Otherwise they're exactly the same. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 18:45, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Well that raises another question, does 1 point of condition damage serve as 10 points for the purposes of condition formulas' calculation?, or is it 1:1? --Rapid Sausage 18:48, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
It is 1:1. For example, the poison formula is Level + 0.1 * Condition Damage per second. If you are level 80 and have a total of 1000 condition damage, poison you inflict does 180 damage per second. — Gnarf ~ El Psy Congroo ~ 18:55, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
No, the condition formulas are exact. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 18:55, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Conditions Affected[edit]

So does it only affect bleeding, burning, confusion and poison? Gorribal 22:40, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Thats the $1000 question. Torrenal 23:08, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Nah, it probably at least triples the amount of damage that crippled does...  ;) Kormon Balser User Kormon Balser Tango-dervish-icon-small.png 23:14, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
When we have another chance to check, with q&a or in-game testing, can we be sure to also check Retaliation, just out of curiosity? I'm aware by all definitions it shouldn't be affected, but this seems like the most likely attribute to influence retaliation damage, if any. 184.76.11.55 01:50, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Dat Table[edit]

So I was annoyed that there was no central location for 'How much does Condition Damage help me?' Then I made a table. It's kind of ugly but looking up the format for it has ended my attention span. More importantly, I'm simply assuming the values on the individual condition pages are correct- I didn't go test these myself. I'd like to do a similar table for Healing Power, but that's going to take a lot of testing and I'm not up to it today. --Chompie 21:19, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Burning Damage[edit]

I did some calculations on burning for level 80 (not sure how and if level affects the multiplier)but it seems that 1 point in condition damage will give .2305~ points in burning damage per second. Is that a miscalculation on my part? or is 25% rounded up? Exhibit 18:56, 14 September 2012 (UTC)exhibit

What are the raw numbers you based this on? I can't tell if it's a miscalculation if you don't provide the source data. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 19:02, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Condition Damage By Proxy[edit]

Let's say a ranger and a warrior are adventuring together. The ranger places a Sun Spirit. The warrior attacks an enemy, and the spirit effect triggers, causing burning. Is the burn damage calculated based on the warrior's condition damage stat, or the ranger's? 96.39.120.89 15:58, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Most likely the ranger since it's the ranger's spirit that initiated the condition effect in the first place, in fact the tooltip for the spirit probably specifies some kind of damage value or duration, I haven't looked myself yet 71.68.238.112 20:32, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Condition Damage Coefficient[edit]

What is this coefficient that many but not all condition causing skills have and is it used instead of or in addition to a condition's normal modifiers, ie bleed .05, poison .1, burn .25...etc?130.215.173.67 17:35, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

It means for every point of condition damage, you get that much more damage from those conditions. Thus +20 condition damage will give you +1 bleed, +2 poison, and +5 burn damage per tick when you apply those conditions. --Thervold 17:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Condition damage table[edit]

I made a table with every point of condition damage from 0-2500 and at the top I list every 500 milestone mark. I know its possible to get up to ~2300ish condition damage in the game, but decided to throw in the rest just in case someone else knows of something I dont. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0ApbbAUHZTALUdGNpLXZSbi12aDk0RzlxQXNER01XWkE&output=html --68.226.52.217 21:26, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Fear[edit]

I've added Fear to the table as it can deal damage if you have Terror as a Necromancer. --2.55.127.166 06:53, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Nicely done. --Combatter 14:07, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Damage is recalculated every pulse based on the changing stats of hundreds of players?[edit]

The Notes section of the page states: Any condition damage that is currently affecting a target, will update per tick according to the source character's stats. For example, An Engineer may inflict Bleed with an Elixir Gun toolkit and then swap to a pair of +condition damage pistols in order to increase the damage over time, even if no further conditions are inflicted.

I find that extremely hard to believe, that every second, every condition pulse is recalculated based on the current stats of the source of the condition. If that is really the case, then it would explain a part of why the game has so many lag issues that they're forced to delay drawing characters because servers lack the computational power. I wonder if someone would be kind enough to verify this in PvE/PvP/WvW. (For example place a lengthy burn/poison/bleed, observe the damage, then switch gear.)

(Thinking about it, I don't even think it makes sense to do that. If I poison a knife and stab with it (not talking about the thief's venom mechanic, but a realistic situation), then I apply a stronger poison to it and sheathe it, would that make the person I stabbed before hurt more? If you're good with a knife and can cause your stabs to bleed more than the next guy, does that mean you can stab then move away and do something to your gear to make the previous wound bleed more?) --Alad 20:49, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

I tested it myself a while back. Don't even have to change gear (which you can only do by weapon swapping in any case, since you'll be in combat), just give yourself Might.png Might. Apply condition, stop attacking, apply might - ticking damage goes up. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 21:06, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Amazing. I'm wondering now where this calculation takes place. If in the client, then their protocol is a lot more vulnerable than I expected. (And I'm not astonished they can't do much about all the hacker bots teleporting across all maps for months now.) --Alad 21:45, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
it was also mentioned on the stacking page, bleeding damage from a specific source will only update if the source's stats was changed as like with might as previously mentioned. don't see anything wrong when its that simple. 67.233.98.18 00:12, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
No combat calculations take place in the client, I don't know why you'd even consider that. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 01:08, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Clock "edges" and Damage[edit]

I'm curious precisely when during an interval that condition damage hits. For example, if there is a 2s condition, does that result in 2 hits or 3 hits? If conditions hit once on their application, then it would be 3 (initial, 1s, 2s). If not, it would be 2 hits. And, do conditions each have their own unique start and end time or are the hits controlled by a "condition clock" that processes all active conditions each second?

For the later, if a condition lands when the "condition clock" is just about to tick, you would perhaps get an extra hit. This behavior would be more apparent with fractional durations. A 2.5s duration would give 3 hits roughly half the time in this case. Knowing this doesn't much matter for small hitting conditions like bleed and poison, but it might make a difference when building for burning and terror. Okuza (talk) 12:25, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm interested in this as well. I like to know more about the exact mechanics of the game. :) --Combatter (talk) 14:07, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Comparison Graph[edit]

Damage for condition damage values between 0 bis 2000 on level 80

Graph is done with Wolfram Alpha and can be easily adjusted. Colors of graphs are given right of plot, from top to bottom:

  • Bleeding
  • Burning
  • Poison
  • Torment
  • Torment (when moving)

No profession specific bonuses ?[edit]

I got a necro and an ele with the exact same type of gear. Both have traits aimed at maxing condition damages. The Necro has ascended stuff, while the ele got the exotic version only. Yet my ele do a lot more condition damages right of the bat. I have been bogued by this for while and continue to curse Anet because of that. Is it a bug or something ? Is it intended ? Yseron - 109.212.34.90 22:24, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Which trait lines have you spent points in? If you went with Earth Magic for your elementalist but didn't spend anything in Curses on your necromancer, that would explain it. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 22:48, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Curses at max on the necro, whatever trait line improve condition damages on the ele maxed too. Yseron - 109.212.34.90 23:31, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
That would be Earth Magic, the one I linked. Do you have the Strength of Stone trait slotted on your ele? (10% of Toughness added to Condition Damage) There's no comparable trait for necro. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 23:38, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
I think that would be it. Since this trait marked my mind (at least when i purchased it) it must be it. Yseron - 109.212.34.90 17:21, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Upgrade Components List[edit]

I added the missing upgrades, think I've got them all, might've missed something. Because of how the list was built, I added the category "Other". Imo this looks a bit messy, but I'm not sure how to fix it, or if a table wouldn't be better. Lacrisma.1540 (talk) 15:50, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Stats need updated[edit]

Apparently Base and Factor were changed for Confusion and Torment. SarielV 20 x 20px 16:32, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Renegade rune needs to be added[edit]

Superior Rune of the Renegade needs to be added --Presac (talk) 11:46, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

What does breakpoint mean?[edit]

The explanation is really poor. What unit is it measured in? Is expertise or condi damage better below the breakpoint?