Guild Wars 2 Wiki talk:Community portal/Archive 2

Archive

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• 2012 Jan - Jun
• 2012 Jul - Aug
• 2012 Sep - Mar 2013
• 2013 Feb - 2013 Jun
• 2013 Jun - 2014 Feb
• 2014 Mar - 2014 Dec
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• Dec 2016 - Jul 2017
• Jul 2017 - Aug 2017
• Sep 2017 - Jun 2018
• Jul 2018 - Oct 2018
• Nov 2018 - Apr 2019
• May 2019 - Aug 2019
• Sept 2019 - Dec 2019
• Jan 2020 - June 2020
• Aug 2020 - Dec 2020
• May 2021 - Jun 2022

Milestone

One year. What exactly have we accomplished in this year on this wiki? calor (talk) 01:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Used the talk pages? Sensical Measures 04:43, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Nothing really :P --Shadowcrest 04:54, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Two communities have healed and merged into one, coming together for a common purpose... To complain about how there's no GW2 information. - Tanetris 12:27, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

heh :D poke | talk 20:45, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

It is an amazing accomplishment. Cress Arvein 20:03, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm here now, so I'd consider that an accomplishment.

If anyone wants to review all the "policy" again, I think that would be a good way to usher in the new year and give some sense of accomplishment. (And before you say "we have no policies", that's the point...) Alternatively we could use Google to hunt for more random GW2 related material, and put that on the wiki. It beats waiting for ANet in any case... Vili 09:19, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I think we have all the possible Guild Wars 2 info already. And there's no point making policy for two or three people; things are working fine as they are now, and making policy now will just make it more bureaucratic and harder to change when we actually have a community that's larger than the amount of fingers on one hand. -- Pling \ talk 14:22, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

You're missing the point; now is our chance to seize control and place ourselves in power for permanently. Sysops and bcrats elected for life? Check. Admin cabal? Check. Oppression of new users by requiring them to recreate their accounts with their real first name and last initial (would require installment of New user log)? Check! Where's your sense of dictatorship? Vili 11:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Stolen D: --- -- talkpage 11:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

We had that discussion at the end of the initial flurry of policy drafting and it was more or less consensus that it would be better to draft the policies when more users are active here, i.e. when GW2 is close to release. --Xeeron 19:34, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

A couple of sections above as well. -- Pling \ talk 22:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, I just want something meaningful to do while we wait for that time to come. So far, the only use I've seen for GW2W is a place to test changes to the MediaWiki:Common.js and such, without messing around on GWW :p Vili 07:44, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

We could play chess... Do you like chess, Vili? - Tanetris 10:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, that would require someone to recreate the chess template, but otherwise... that is a good idea, Tanetris. Maybe we can turn this into ChessWiki while we wait. Hold tournaments and everything. Even if I'm horribly rusty, it would be fun... Vili 10:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

You know, there isn't a need to make this wiki activity-rich. There's no new content, so there's not much point being here for the moment; it's basically in stasis for the newer people who haven't read up on GW2 (and for RC lurkers to watch out for vandalism or whatever). -- Pling \ talk 17:22, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Messages

I know i sound really,really dumb, but i haven't figured out yet how to send messages to other wiki members. Can someone tell me how to do that? Lord Vallern 05:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Just as you edited this talk page - find the user's page you're looking for and click the discussion tab (or enter the user's name in the search box). For example, you could access my page by clicking or searching User:Plingggggg and clicking the discussion tab, or you could go directly to the discussion page to User talk:Plingggggg. If you want to start a new 'thread'/section/topic, click the + tab; to respond to existing threads and topics, click the edit button that lies on the right of the topic title (for example, this Messages topic has an editsection link on the far right). -- Pling \ talk 16:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Moving images

...Is a feature on the GWW, yet it appears to be disabled here. Is there a specific reason, is this feature something we're waiting for Arena Net to have time to implement, or something like that? It would save a lot of time when dealing with some things. Erasculio 12:55, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

For the record, it's enabled for sysops, just not regular users. – Emmett 13:30, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone also think this could be expanded for common users? I don't think it would be misused more often than moving articles. Erasculio 20:57, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

It probably wasn't intended to disable it for non-sysops, I think the IT guys just forgot to sync GWW and GW2W installations/settings/configurations/etc, for example they didn't install ListTransclusions, DismissableSitenoticePlus and the file redirect fixes. I assume they'll be doing that with the 1.15 upgrade that's supposed to be coming up, since Emily said they'll look into getting GW2W updated with the missing things as well. -- Pling \ talk 21:09, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Special:Editcount

I never knew that it wasn't installed here. Why isn't it? — Balistic 22:38, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

There wasn't a consensus supporting its installation on GWW - see gw1:Guild Wars Wiki talk:Requests for technical administration/Archive 2#Editcount. --pling  22:43, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

It has no particular practical application, but it's kind of nice to know how many edits you have. I have over 9000 on GuildWiki. 23:01, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it's kinda nice seeing how many edit you have (: — Balistic 23:08, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I want...

...Popcorn! (sorry, in-joke). Seriously, I want to become a sysop here so I can finally access the "move" command for images and so fix the concept art images without having to copy each one to my computer and upload them again (for example, [[:Category:August_09_trailer|all those]] need to have their names changed). Given how there's no policy about choosing sysops here, and I don't want to be a sysop in either GWW or GuildWiki, I'm wondering how could I achieve that. Erasculio 15:39, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

There's no RFA policy here, so I think you can either become sysop on GWW and get grandfathered, or you could just bat your eyelids at someone on IRC. Can a bcrat change the image moving thing through Special:Userrights, or does someone at ANet need to do it? Also, would it be possible to assign Erasculio the right to move images without making him a sysop to skip all the RFA business? --Santax (talk · contribs) 16:30, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I'd be willing to temp-sysop you for moving images only - image moving is supposed to be a non-sysop tool anyway, and you've dealt with having sysop tools effectively on GWW (e.g. not (mis-)using them). If there's no objection (mainly from another bureaucrat), I'll do it shortly. And yes, without all the RFA business.

Someone at Anet would have make file-moving a user's right; it isn't possible to do it on the wiki. --pling  16:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I saw this topic while I was chatting with Emily, and she is going to put in a ticket to get the permissions changed today, so, depending on how busy the IT guys are, it should be in effect in a few days. -- Wyn talk 18:39, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Wyn - it's not necessary to temp-sysop anyone then. --pling  19:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

*cough* Erasculio 13:33, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll remind her of this again... Sorry :S poke | talk 12:20, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Wasn't expecting the whole office to catch the plague.... -- Wyn talk 13:56, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Looks like the "move" thing is fixed, along with redirect, etc. Maybe an update did help. :-) ♥ Ariyen ♀ 22:01, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

No, it's not fixed yet. Emily will send an email for that again.. poke | talk 18:21, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) So, any news about this? There's still a lack of a strong consensus on what to name the image files, not to mention how the notices are looking ugly together (the file may be pretty, but those two boxes below it, one to the left and the other at the center, look rather bad). Wouldn't it be possible to merge the screenshot notice and the trailer notice? We would need some device to say whether it's a screenshot or a piece of concept art, but hopefully it would be better than the current system. Erasculio 23:15, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

As far as I know, there already is one template for most different kinds of image {{ArenaNet image|screenshot}} should work, it's just that whoever uploaded the image preferred to use {{screenshot}} for some reason. I don't really think a lot can be done about the fact that it's from the trailer, since it being an image from the trailer is a little too specific to include in the anet image template. I don't see why the trailer template can't be made to look the same as the template above it though, so they don't look ugly together. --94.171.77.82 09:18, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Given how it being from the trailer is too specific to add to the Arena Net image template, the opposite is more likely to happen - adding the Arena Net screenshot and concept art templates to the trailer template. We don't have reasons to use the latter without one of the former anyway. Erasculio 09:39, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Tyrian Legends

The concept:

Once Guild Wars 2 is released your story begins. No matter what race you will pick or what guild you will join, whether you choose PvE or PvP, whatever path you will take you will have a story to tell. One filled with stories of epic victories and tragic losses, stories of teamwork, funny stories, sad stories, stories of bravery, stories that will inspire, stories that will become legend. I envision a place where players can come together regardless of race, guild, or alliance and share their stories, a place called Tyrian Legends.

I have been struggling with this for a while now and I am still somewhat skeptical of the whole idea. I have no details, no proposed features. I am not sure if it should be a part of this wiki or its own wiki, forum, blog, etc... I have nothing to show, I do not even know where to begin. I started playing Guild Wars about year ago, and I have yet to finish a single campaign or learn the whole story. I am the LEAST likely candidate to lead something of this stature. At this point, I am giving this idea away to anyone who is more qualified and willing to take lead and make it reality.

I am not in it for recognition; I just love playing the game and I enjoy the community as a whole. My hope is that one day a place will exist (maybe not called "Tyrian Legends") where players will have the opportunity to make their stories known to the rest of the world. Tyrian Legends should be a place that cultivates players regardless of race, guild, alliance, or playing style and motivates players to blaze their own paths.

I want to get a feel from the you all first, to see if it warrants any further attention. What do you think? Is it a good idea? Is it Is it feasible? Is it all hype? Would you take part in it? How would you develop it? Feel free to share your thoughts, suggestions, and criticisms.

Regardless of whether this legend ends here or takes hold and becomes something bigger than you or I, my question to you and all the other playeres will remain and hopefully inspire you as you make your journey through the next chapter in the Guild Wars saga: What will be your legend? --EuGenius 07:46, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I'm going to have to redirect you to the suggestions page on GWW, here. Thanks. --Santax (talk · contribs) 09:54, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm still learning the ropes. --EuGenius 20:15, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I went ahead and created the suggestion on GWW. So I guess this one can be removed? --EuGenius 21:51, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

It's up to you really, we like to keep things for archival, but I don't think anyone would object to you removing this. Cheers for doing things the proper way, and welcome to the wiki :) --Santax (talk · contribs) 22:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Discussion of "porting" of GWW policies

This may be a sore subject to some, but it needs to be said. Many people (including me) think that automatically adopting the policies and guidelines from GWW directly is a mistake. And this doesn't have anything to do with if they are allowed under the FDL policy or not.

What many people don't seem to realize is that the GW2W is different and should not automatically be assumed to be an extension of GWW (especially policies and standards). Similar ones may end up being adopted, but that decision should be made on here, not just assume that everyone is OK with direct use of the policies from the other side of the house.

Many people also seem to think that waiting until the last second to discuss policies is a good idea. Discussion of potential policies and standards should be started before they are needed, and can be finalized and implemented. 42 - talk 02:43, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

GW2W Is similar to GW. There's really not much difference. I don't see why you and your 'buddies' have 'problems' with issues on this wiki. Personally, Gw2w is an extension. As gw2w is a continuation of gw, but placed 250 years down the road. Personally I think gw2w should be implemented into gww and not taken up so much space of it's own.

Discussion should start when the game is announced to sell, that way the implimentations of policies, etc. can be done better fixed better, according to the game. Not to some kid's ego. 72.148.31.114 04:10, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Guild Wars 2 is a "whole new game." The wiki is not an extension because the game is not an "expansion."-- Shew 04:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we should copy over policies from the Guild Wars Wiki and use them with little or no discussion, but I don't think anyone has suggested that we should do so. If a policy from Guild Wars Wiki is the best option that has been presented, I think we should use it until a better alternative polcy is proposed. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 06:44, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why we couldn't port over GWW's policies as policy proposals, so we can discuss, tweak, and propose alternatives as necessary, but we don't need to adopt them in the interim. This wiki currently has a relatively tiny userbase, comprising of people who care about getting things done at the wiki - I can't forsee any problems coming from not adopting policies until consensus is reached. There's also the possibility that by adopting the policies now, people just won't bother discussing them. --Santax (talk · contribs) 09:04, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. I hate GWW policies like the plague, but they would be a nice point to start of from. NuVII 18:15, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Keep in mind that we can also use GuildWiki's policies as a starting point, especially since they were also the starting point for GWW's policies. 18:31, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

But we can't directly port them due to licensing issues. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 01:10, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

How about someone take each policy from the guildwiki and tweak it for this wiki and then propose? Would that be alright? It'd still give others opinions and let them change it too. -- Ariyen 03:11, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

We cannot port the text of those policies, and indeed wouldn't suggest that anyway, since GW2W needs to be a mesh of the two communities and no single one of them should be dominant. We can, however, "port" the spirit of those policies. 23:58, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, porting the spirit :-) 72.148.31.114 00:20, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

User images

Images are a mess right now. Fixing that is extremely slow given how we can't actually move images, so to "move" something we have to reupload it again, check all "what links here", mark the old image for deletion, etc. I have noticed that user images are also not following any naming convention, so I would like to suggest using the GWW naming convention here. A few users are already using it anyway, and that really helps in keeping the images category organized. Erasculio 10:26, 13 December 2009 (UTC)