Talk:Labyrinthine Horror
Derping like a boss[edit]
- Named the page "Labyrinthine Horror".
- Eventually convinced myself I was just spelling Labyrinth wrong.
- Moved the page to "Labyrinth Horror".
- Glanced at the mob in-game again and saw that the name was correct to begin with.
- GG. Time to go to bed. >.>
-Somohexual (talk) 04:26, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
- ftfy —Dr Ishmael
04:33, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
"Steve"?[edit]
I see a lot of people calling this thing "Steve". So I added it to the page (along with links to examples), and it was deleted with the comment "also known as bob, joe, and many others... so no." Has anyone else here seen the Labyrinthine Horror called Steve or other names? - Brian Kendig (talk) 23:45, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- I've not seen one person calling it steve. Or bob, joe, etc. I've seen it only called as Horror or Lab Horror. And I have a tendency to pay attention to the community at large.
- Just like the DSD's dozens of nicknames, if it isn't widespread (like DSD, Bubbles, and Steve in that case) then it isn't worth noting. Konig (talk) 01:10, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
- Lately he is being called Steve. I've seen him referred to as nothing else when I've been in the labyrinth. It's gaining traction. SarielV
16:53, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
- I've also heard the 'Steve' nickname (sure confused me at first), but am against including it in the article. —Ventriloquist 20:42, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
- I've also heard him as Steve, actually I've only seen him referred to as either "Steve" or "horror". One map went as far as to giving him a backstory too: He likes hot chocolate with sprinkles, was a foster kids who went through many homes which helped him learn how to walk through walls as he does in the Labyrinth, and was possibly a red head. (They then went on to give the Lich a backstory but my computer restarted so I missed parts of that one. =<) - Doodleplex 20:50, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
- I've also heard the 'Steve' nickname (sure confused me at first), but am against including it in the article. —Ventriloquist 20:42, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
- Lately he is being called Steve. I've seen him referred to as nothing else when I've been in the labyrinth. It's gaining traction. SarielV
I've only ever called him steve. He's been steve to me for at least 2 years now. Some people tried to rename him "brian" or "kevin" but he will always and forever be steve. In your hearts, you know it's true. ;) nita revenge
Why not?[edit]
This year, nearly everybody refers to him as Steve. I don't see why it can't be noted. Please justify the revert. Daddicus (talk) 06:24, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
- You might want to read the above part. And not everybody refers to him as that, so far this year I've seen him referred to as Kevin quite a few times. - Doodleplex 06:32, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
- Maybe you need to read the above section, Doodle, because most of it is people saying "oh yeah, I've seen lots of people calling him Steve". ;) My take is that we need to consider how it will serve the community when they come looking for information. "Steve", while a popular meme, doesn't seem so popular that people will start searching for "Steve" and then be confused when they don't find any articles with that name. Compare that with Mystic Toilet. The nickname might make for cute trivia, but we should be cautious about setting a precedent that allows anyone to add any nickname to the wiki just because it's a popular meme on reddit today. --Idris (talk) 06:44, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
- To note, Stavemaster Adryn is also called "Steve" as is the Deep sea dragon, Steve is a pretty common nickname fan gives to anything they feel like should have a name. And like said above, "Steve" is just one of many names players have given him, if we list one, we'd have to list them all, and that's not a good idea imo. - Doodleplex 06:57, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
- OK, that's good enough. Unless an ANet person offers a nickname, we can avoid using them here. Thanks!
- However, I wonder if we don't need some kind of a note anyhow. When I first heard him called Steve, I was confused and had to ask. Perhaps we should add a note more like this:
- Players sometimes use a nickname for this creature. If you hear a player refer to a nickname in the Labyrinth, they may be referring the Horror.
- ??? Daddicus (talk) 20:14, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
- Unless I hear differently, I'm going to add the above. Daddicus (talk) 01:44, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- "Steve is a pretty common nickname fan gives to anything they feel like should have a name" Even if they have a name (per Adryn). Given how true this is, I'm half tempted to make an article at [[Steve]] with the sole contents being "a common community nickname to just about anything in the GW setting." "If you hear a player refer to a nickname in the Labyrinth, they may be referring the Horror." Unfortunately, people also give nicknames to the Lich. I've seen the lich called Bob, Billy, and Larry this year. Konig (talk) 02:28, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- Are you OK with adding "Players sometimes use a nickname for this creature. If you hear a player refer to a nickname in the Labyrinth, they may be referring the Horror."? I think it's generic enough that it doesn't name the guy, but let's people know that sometimes players will refer to unnamed monsters as people. ??? Daddicus (talk) 22:15, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
- Saying "people are prone to giving this particularly notable mob a nickname" is little more than describing human nature. If we're going to add a note, we might as well just say what the name is. --Idris (talk) 22:32, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
- Based on this discussion, I went ahead and added the following: "Players often refer to The Labyrinthine Horror as "Steve" within squads in the Mad King's Labyrinth, though this nickname is often used for other NPCs as well and is not canon." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Orenwolf (talk • contribs).
- Welp, that didn't last long. :p Were you under the impression that I was agreeing to adding the note? The "if" was an important word there -- if we add a note, it should mention the name "Steve", but I'd prefer not to see any note at all unless the name is extremely commonly and exclusively used. --Idris (talk) 14:08, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- Based on this discussion, I went ahead and added the following: "Players often refer to The Labyrinthine Horror as "Steve" within squads in the Mad King's Labyrinth, though this nickname is often used for other NPCs as well and is not canon." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Orenwolf (talk • contribs).
- Saying "people are prone to giving this particularly notable mob a nickname" is little more than describing human nature. If we're going to add a note, we might as well just say what the name is. --Idris (talk) 22:32, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
- Are you OK with adding "Players sometimes use a nickname for this creature. If you hear a player refer to a nickname in the Labyrinth, they may be referring the Horror."? I think it's generic enough that it doesn't name the guy, but let's people know that sometimes players will refer to unnamed monsters as people. ??? Daddicus (talk) 22:15, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
- "Steve is a pretty common nickname fan gives to anything they feel like should have a name" Even if they have a name (per Adryn). Given how true this is, I'm half tempted to make an article at [[Steve]] with the sole contents being "a common community nickname to just about anything in the GW setting." "If you hear a player refer to a nickname in the Labyrinth, they may be referring the Horror." Unfortunately, people also give nicknames to the Lich. I've seen the lich called Bob, Billy, and Larry this year. Konig (talk) 02:28, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- Unless I hear differently, I'm going to add the above. Daddicus (talk) 01:44, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- To note, Stavemaster Adryn is also called "Steve" as is the Deep sea dragon, Steve is a pretty common nickname fan gives to anything they feel like should have a name. And like said above, "Steve" is just one of many names players have given him, if we list one, we'd have to list them all, and that's not a good idea imo. - Doodleplex 06:57, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
- Maybe you need to read the above section, Doodle, because most of it is people saying "oh yeah, I've seen lots of people calling him Steve". ;) My take is that we need to consider how it will serve the community when they come looking for information. "Steve", while a popular meme, doesn't seem so popular that people will start searching for "Steve" and then be confused when they don't find any articles with that name. Compare that with Mystic Toilet. The nickname might make for cute trivia, but we should be cautious about setting a precedent that allows anyone to add any nickname to the wiki just because it's a popular meme on reddit today. --Idris (talk) 06:44, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
(Reset indent) If the wiki editors care so much about being able to find things based off a player-given nickname, I'd probably recommend a disambig page called `steve` or a page `Common Creature Nicknames`, but both of those options pretty much open the floodgates to "No I totally heard this said therefor it should belong here". -Darqam 15:19, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- We list "Steve" on the Abbreviations page. That page is full of fan nicknames/terms, like Mystic Toilet or RIBA. Can we expand it there to mention the Lab Horror, at least? --Imry (talk) 15:42, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- Darq got me thinking: what if we had a page for common in game terms called "Common terms" or something that's similar to the abbreviation page, but instead of abbreviations, is full of common terms and phrases players might use. It'd have a list of things such as "mystic toilet", "pre event", "key farmer" or "bag opener", stuff that's commonly used and you could ask just about anybody in game what it meant and they'd all give you the same answer more or less, but normally we can't really make a page for(other than redirects in a few cases). I could see it being useful for new players or players who's main language isn't English and would allow the abbreviation page to just be a list of abbreviations in the purest definition of the word. - Doodleplex 18:27, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- I think that's a good idea. --Idris (talk) 14:19, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- Something like Category:Glossary or...? –Santax (talk · contribs) 14:29, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- No, it'd be a single article, like abbreviations. --Idris (talk) 15:06, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- Exactly, because some of these terms wouldn't have pages, though I do think linking to that category couldn't hurt either, and I'd probably put a link to the page on the abbreviation page as well so people know where to go. - Doodleplex 19:49, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- I would be OK with that. But, that would be more of an informational page; it's not something I would expect many people to go to. So, how about if we add a common note to these player-named guys, and then we can link to it with a common note. Something like, "Players will sometimes give this creature a [ [ Non-canon Name ] ]"? Daddicus (talk) 01:06, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
- Exactly, because some of these terms wouldn't have pages, though I do think linking to that category couldn't hurt either, and I'd probably put a link to the page on the abbreviation page as well so people know where to go. - Doodleplex 19:49, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- No, it'd be a single article, like abbreviations. --Idris (talk) 15:06, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- Something like Category:Glossary or...? –Santax (talk · contribs) 14:29, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- I think that's a good idea. --Idris (talk) 14:19, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- Darq got me thinking: what if we had a page for common in game terms called "Common terms" or something that's similar to the abbreviation page, but instead of abbreviations, is full of common terms and phrases players might use. It'd have a list of things such as "mystic toilet", "pre event", "key farmer" or "bag opener", stuff that's commonly used and you could ask just about anybody in game what it meant and they'd all give you the same answer more or less, but normally we can't really make a page for(other than redirects in a few cases). I could see it being useful for new players or players who's main language isn't English and would allow the abbreviation page to just be a list of abbreviations in the purest definition of the word. - Doodleplex 18:27, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
(Reset indent) I think it's more than a compromise: it's much better than what I originally wrote, and it covers most of our objections. (I actually agree with the "don't post specific nicknames" statements made above, even though I'm the guy who posted the first one!) But, before we post it, we should create the info page, with at least two creatures' information (i.e. the Lab. Horror and the other one mentioned above.) Then, we have a link to point to. However, someone else will have to create that page, because I don't know how. Daddicus (talk) 18:55, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
(Reset indent) So, we had a long discussion, and finally we came to an agreement. Yet it gets changed again to a hidden marker not to add nicknames. We agreed to create a page and link to it. Until that page is up and linked to, can we get that line removed? (I'm not even sure when it happened or who did it; there's no history of it appearing.) Daddicus (talk) 04:06, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- It was added 31 Oct 2017, before the discussion ended, and someone recently added a note about near infinite nicknames which, imo, is the best we could do on this page. I do not think we should remove that hidden line since people will no doubt do the exact same thing as last year, I have no doubt. Konig (talk) 04:39, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- I'm OK with it. But, where is the page of nicknames? (Nicknames for many creatures, not just the horror.) Daddicus (talk) 02:45, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
- As said above, Common terms.--Rain Spell (talk) 17:24, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- I'm OK with it. But, where is the page of nicknames? (Nicknames for many creatures, not just the horror.) Daddicus (talk) 02:45, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Lunatic Inquisition[edit]
Met him during a game of Lunatic Inquisition. Adding imgur link here for proof and clarity. https://i.imgur.com/JiQOtrf.jpg ~Sime
Talk 21:54, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
- Woah I wonder if they only added that recently to stop people from afk hiding all game. I've played that game a lot and never seen him, though I haven't played this year. --Rain Spell (talk) 21:46, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Reopening the nickname can of worms[edit]
Two years have passed since the previous discussion, and maybe the player culture has changed since, but here's how I feel about it now.
- The Trivia section currently says, “It has near infinite nicknames. See Common terms.” — that page lists exactly one name for Labyrinthine Horror: Steve. This feels like the other names might be so fringe they didn't deserve a mention there.
- Apropos of “Steve”, the DSD page does dare to go as far as to list the few most popular names (personally I've only ever heard of Bubbles and Selbbub, but that's just me) — as such, I don't think it'd be out of form at all to do the same here.
- Every single Lab run I've been to on EU throughout the years, and I join random groups that have a non-full map, English and even German-speaking ones, only refer to him as Steve and no other of the “infinite nicknames” (again, that's just me, but it's a very consistent experience), sometimes he's called the Horror, or the Lab Horror. But mostly Steve.
- And this appears to be the case in the comments under the recent Twitter poll by the official GuildWars2 account.
I have a feeling this name does deserve special mention in the Trivia section or in the intro as “(often called Steve by the players inside the Labyrinth)”. -- Ralesk (talk) 12:08, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- I agree with both you and Combatter's change. I only ever see it called Steve both ingame (EU) and on Reddit. -- kazerniel (talk | contribs) 10:17, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
- Honestly I find it hilarious — especially in light of the lack of evidence for the other nicknames (or indeed that anything without a name gets called Steve), and that the DSD page lists the most prominent nicknames — that this particular one was fought against so adamantly. And no reaction ever since XD -- Ralesk (talk) 12:24, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
- Because the deep sea dragon has no official name, hence why it has nicknames. I've seen him called Richard, Larry, and I believe other languages have their own names for him so, hence why it's "numerous" instead of just listing one. And that's why any nickname listed has been and will be removed. - Doodleplex 03:24, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- Honestly I find it hilarious — especially in light of the lack of evidence for the other nicknames (or indeed that anything without a name gets called Steve), and that the DSD page lists the most prominent nicknames — that this particular one was fought against so adamantly. And no reaction ever since XD -- Ralesk (talk) 12:24, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
- It makes sense to list his most commonly used name in this article. What's the point of linking to common terms which only lists his name as Steve anyway? The claim of "near infinite names" is just wrong and most importantly not backed up by anything. --BuffsEverywhere (talk) 04:39, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
