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Can you guys show me a link to where you found that they were named Kodan? - Giant Nuker 14:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC) look at below Edit 1:. — User Balistic Pve Sig.png Balistic 16:59, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks - Giant Nuker 19:59, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


These look interesting. Perhaps they will have a story behind them, like the centaur did during Nightfall. Cant wait :) --User: Blood StainBloodStain 17:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

They remind me of the polar bears from The Golden Compass. I hope these guys will eventually become a playable race. Polar bears are awesome. =D PonyX User talk:Pony Slaystation X 23:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
From the looks of things its far too easy to mistake the two bear races from here and "The Golden Compass". Isnt there copywrite laws or something? --User Magican Signature Empathy.jpg Magican talk 10:53, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
1. It's called 'copyright', not 'copywrite'. 2. The idea of using animals that walk upright and/or otherwise feature prominently in games/movies is so overdone,... You can't copyright shit like that. --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 10:57, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Norn Companions[edit]

How much you want to bet these will be companions for norn characters. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shai Halud (talkcontribs).

Seems so, GOLEM's for Asura, Druids for Sylvari, and who cares about humans :P --User: Blood StainBloodStain 15:21, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
What do you think the Charr will have? Enslaved Grawl maybe?--Shai Halud 16:03, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
I want giant Siege Devourers. *_* -- Konig/talk 21:33, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Maybe the Charr will have those huge burning effigy things. :D 16:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
Companions have been removed. And the burning effigies are more than likely to be Flame Legion-only stuff. -- Konig/talk 19:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

How come we didnt see them in the Trailer then, if they are Norn Companions--Knighthonor 00:51, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

We do... in the first trailer... on their iceberg. -- Konig/talk 04:30, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Shameless His Dark Materials ripoff...[edit]

Armored polar bears... ANet originality points: -50

Think of something new for a change maybe? 03:06, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

There can't be anything "new" because someone, somewhere, will connect new things to old things. For instance, Charr are original to GW, yet people link them to oh so many things. -- Konig/talk 11:01, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
People have probably thought about and written about armored bears as long as we have known how to make armor and have seen bears so in a way His Dark Materials series ripped of somebody in history. - Giant Nuker 11:37, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Nothing is more awesome than having your enemies mauled by a bear wearing plate armor. Paddymew 16:16, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Pullman's fiction comes from Gnosticism, but the way he represents it is his. I agree with OP though; that's right where my mind went when I saw the picture. And, no, the Panserbjørne were not of any previous mythos - so just because the components of a myth have been around since ancient times, we cannot assume that a culture put them together. (Fallacy of composition) 06:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Lol the funny thing is that if you were to honestly keep track of "originality points" ANet would have a huge number, yet you choose to ignore this little detail and focus on a single thing that has been done before in history.... despite the fact that most ideas are "unoriginal" by nature. Having animals wear armor is not a "new concept" by any stretch of the imagination. They had armor for horses, elephants, etc, so is only logical that the idea would spread to bears. :P In my opinion the Kodan are original, or at least as "original" as one can be nowadays. How they present and introduce these creatures and their lore is all that matters, for that will set them apart from all the other "armored bears" throughout literature and mythology. -Amannelle 11:18, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Bears are, traditionally, the worst thing to run into in the middle of the woods. Adding true intelligence and the ability to armor themselves...just comes naturally from that, I guess. I mean, imagine a T-Rex. Now imagine a T-Rex with ARMOR. Same sorta thing. Zolann The IrreverentUser Zolann The Irreverent Mysterious Summoning Stone.png 17:27, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Just to further prove the point, an Armored t-rex wouldn't be original either... look up Megatron and Beast Wars. 06:45, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

What are their connection to the Norn[edit]

What are their connection to the norn?--Knighthonor 03:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

"Some scholars hypothesize that the two races may share a common history, but they are not at all the same race" (Ree Soesbee). this point it's a little ambiguous.-- Shew 03:41, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
At this point, all we know is that they live in the same area. -- Konig/talk 03:44, 12 May 2010 (UTC)


Little did we know, that guy was a giant armored polar bear in disguise! I always knew it... how else could he have ran so fast in that quest to get to Boreal Station? -~=Ϛρѧякγ User Sparky, the Tainted guided sig.png (τѧιк) 17:15, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Nice find, made me lol. Eive Talk Windgrace 07:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ANET, makt hese tameable! What can be more awesome then using armored bears as your pets! 11:32, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

You are aware that these are kinda intelligent, sentient beings? Not cute, cuddly teddys? --Odal talk 11:49, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps it would be like taming an asura, which honestly doesn't sound like a bad idea. ... 12:34, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Taming an Asura would be easy, every time it talks, hit it. But Kodan actually seem like cool guys who aren't afraid of anything. A bear you could go for a pint with, not a bear you'd put a collar round. --Odal talk 21:51, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Why would you wanna tame a bear bigger than you and could kick the shit out of you I would much rather them be a playable race later on.--BookofTyria 23:06, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. Ten-feet tall polar bears are infinitely better than werebears. EiveTalk 23:08, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

They seem kind of pointless[edit]

Is there reallly any point in having this species? We already have the Norn as a sentient Bear-like people, adding these creatures is only creating confusion around their relations with the Norn and ther origins. I would prefer if they were just removed. - Professor Shaft 18:14, 8 January 2011 (GMT)

Thank you for sharing your personal opinion, but that's not going to happen. :) I personally like them, and can't wait to see their culture in GW2. --AmannelleUser Amannelle Me.jpg 18:30, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
same her ^^ and plz start new sections at the bottom of a talk page ^^ --User The Holy Dragons sig.pngThe Holy Dragons 18:36, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I moved it because i actually do things >;3 , nd yeah. they make for a nice sketching, too. (But fuck the fur textures, still cant do them.) --NeilUser Neil2250 sig icon5 Anti.png 20:28, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
1) The norn are not a "bear-like people" - they can transform into werebears, yes, but also into werewolves, wereravens, and weresnow leopards. 2) There's actually an implication given by the devs that in-lore scholars believe that the kodan and norn have shared ancestry/history. -- Konig/talk 00:01, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
It should also be noted that, due to Zhaitan and "Bubbles" rising, many seafaring peoples/races were forced to move to the shore, thus bringing a whole new swath of people who may never have set foot on Tyria for ages suddenly swarming in (or just appearing due to other dragonrises such as the Quaggan, Skritt, and of course the Sylvari) 03:14, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
It also leaves a small door open that perhaps after GW2 is released and running, they may delve into allowing the Kodan to be a playable race. If not, then hell, we have that much more depth and lore to go into. Perhaps we could explore some of their lands one day, or even visit one of their sanctuaries. The more they put into this game, the more we have to play in.--Neithan DiniemUser Talk:Neithan Diniem 04:22, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
we will visit their sanctuaries... or at least 1 Sanctuary. :) --AmannelleUser Amannelle Me.jpg 04:54, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I truly believe that many of these races we're getting more and more info on, these small little hints here or there, will not only have major plot roles in GW2, but could also one day be playable races. This would, of course, be quite awhile after release, but it will happen. EiveTalk 05:00, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

OCD info gathering time[edit] .... just thought you should know ~Reez 23:12, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Koda page[edit]

I have a page for Koda almost halfway set up. Need consensus, make a page or simply incorporate into here? EiveTalk 23:15, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Make it. -- aspectacle User Aspectacle.png 23:18, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Should we just call the Kodan religion Koda then? EiveTalk 23:24, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Making the page solely based on the deity. EiveTalk 23:31, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
The religion belongs on this page, preferably in a ==Faith== or ==Religion== section. -- Konig/talk 06:43, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. Still wish we had a specific name for it though... EiveTalk 07:10, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
We may get one in the future. -- Konig/talk 07:20, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

About their "rebirth" belief[edit]

Shares quite a few similarities to Buddhism's doctrine of the same name. Just though I'd share that. EiveTalk 23:41, 11 January 2011 (UTC)


“No race weaves the thread of life. We are all strands in it, seeds upon the earth, inheritors of nature’s balance.” — Star Wars, Yoda's Voice

“…it is their duty to watch over the world, judge others, and maintain the balance—by Force if necessary.…”

“Let it be me, mighty Yoda, that gives his life for peace. Let it be me that dies for balance. Let it be me that rejoins with nature knowing that I have fought and sacrificed for that which I believe. For such is the journey of a padawan. Such is the path of the Jedi.” — Luke Skywalker, Jedi of Star Wars

“Let it be me, mighty Yoda, that gives his life for knowledge. Let it be me that dies so that truth can survive. Let it be me that rejoins with nature, knowing that I have looked into your eyes and brought back wisdom for my people. For such is the journey of a padawan. Such is the path of the Force.” – Obiwan Kenobi, Jedi of Star Wars

Koda = Yoda, Cliffwalker = Skywalker, Bitter Tears of Plenty = Obiwan Kenobi(it even rhymes!).

Take a Religious Book(dont care which) and its people and culture. Combine that with some Star Wars look-alike rhyming names. Replace everyone with cuddly Polar Bear faces then make them furry and huggable. Make them wear armor. Find me more epic than this in any other video game, i dare you. ANet overdid themselves here <3 Name it Star Guild Wars 2 06:04, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I would prefer Guild Star Wars 2, myself. And I can't believe I didn't make those connections... EiveTalk 06:14, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I was thinking of Master Yoda, too, when reading the article on the blog. Silmalel User Silmalel SigPic3.png 18:23, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
It's quite a strong reference, if we all notice it. - Infinite - talk 18:29, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Where are those Luke and Obi-Wan quotes from? I don't recognize them outside of the Claw and Voice parallel... (Satanael | talk) 01:48, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

they're awesome[edit]

^says enough ^^ -- 06:20, 12 January 2011 (UTC) The Holy Dragons

Blue-haired Rebels[edit]

Just wondering if these things suffer from whiny teen angst and dye their 07:41, 12 January 2011 (UTC)Ryoko

Knowing exactly what this reference is (I lurk quite a bit), please just stop. Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 18:27, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Because all emos are 10ft tall, right? --NeilUser Neil2250 sig icon5 Anti.png 19:59, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Neil, don't feed the trolls. This is clearly an attempt to incite drama. Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 20:48, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I apologize. It was uncalled for. 21:59, 12 January 2011 (UTC)Ryoko

Possible playable race?[edit]

I know it seems far fetched, but it is a little odd that they'd go this in depth on the Kodan before the game's release, don't you think? I smell possible playable race. Or at least I can hope. 08:10, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, not for GW2 at least, maybe for an future expansion or campaign. However, I think its better to leave this race unplayable, because I think, if they are added as a playable race, that the playingstyle will be equal to the Norn. Remember the animal forms. -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 08:33, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Impossible to tell at the moment. They may go into great depths on every race, or at least every sympathic race (kodan seems like a good chance to be a sympathize option for norn). -- Konig/talk 09:24, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Judging by the blog post, I'd say norn is your worst bet since it seems like kodan don't like them at all.
Check this: "..[some Voices say that] the norn are failed kodan who have forgotten their place as judges and protectors of the balance, and that is why their true “bear” form has been replaced with a fragile, furless state. Because of this pressure from their shaman, the kodan often treat the norn as spiritual failures, possibly even a race moving backwards in the cycle of life, toward primitivism and destruction.."
If you want to be friends with kodan, I'd say you should go something else. User ***EAGLEMUT*** Signature.png ***EAGLEMUT*** TALK 09:53, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
'Liking them' is not relevant in my first comment here. I mean in playstyle, they feature both a relation with the spirits of the wild. -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 11:36, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I facepalm'd when I saw all the "Kodan is new race" posts on forums because Anet has confirmed that there would only be 5 playable races. - Giant Nuker 12:32, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
At the intitial release, Kodan is not a playable race. The rest of this topic is speculation or off-topic. - Infinite - talk 12:42, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
CURRENTLY at the initial release it is not a playable race Anet could suprise us and they are not like the norn at all not all norn turn into bearsXswsxsws1 02:54, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Not worth speculationg imo. We never know, maybe it can be a surprise from Anet stating; "Here's a lil something something for the wait." Or it could be an evil twist bent on over taking the norn. Not worth it until the game actually comes out. :) - Lucian Shadowborn Shadows of the night. 07:24, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Konig said that Ree Soesbee stated they will not be a playable race (See discussion here). However, time has passed since that statement and I can't find a source. -- Northern Lights | T  | 16:08, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
It's been so long that I don't even recall the source myself. Probably an interview from around that time... None that I can find. But it's rather simple to know that they're not a playable race in the initial release - which that comment was talking about, btw. -- Konig/talk 17:19, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) We do not know... They could be but most likely not. Chances are, they will be the first additional playable race. Their culture and the fact that Anet has gone in-depth can provide a source of speculation. We'll have to wait and see. - Lucian Talk. Shadowborn 23:46, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

"Their culture and the fact that Anet has gone in-depth" - Tengu and centaurs have good culture to them. And just because Anet has gone in-depth on the kodan doesn't mean they won't for any other non-playable race. I personally don't see them as being a playable race. Not unless we get an expansion to go north. Which will likely revolve around Jormag to some degree. -- Konig/talk 23:46, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Regardless if they will or won't, it is pretty cool to have this race included. "Not unless we get an expansion to go north. Which will likely revolve around Jormag to some degree." That would be very nice and I wouldn't put it past Anet to do something similar as an expansion. - Lucian Talk. Shadowborn 23:58, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Norn & Kodan[edit]

I find it funny that scholars find more of a connection between the norn and kodan than the norn and humans.-- Shew 13:00, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Both big and hairy? =P -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 13:03, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
especially since norn and humans can have offspring.-- Konig/talk 22:10, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Your in a fantasy game, my friend. Genetic improbabilities are commonplace.--Neithan DiniemUser Talk:Neithan Diniem 22:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
You're. Grammatical correctness or death! EiveTalk 22:45, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Thus far, Neithan, they've held true to being realistic. That is, physics do take place (I wonder if inertia gets added into the game... that'd be fun to use!). We've not heard of any other genetic crossing outside norn and humans. All other such cases have been purely magical in origin (margonites being humans turned into demons; wardens supposedly being humans turned into plants; etc.). If it isn't natural, it's magical, and no magic was put into the context of nornxhuman being possible. Of course, they never said it would be a sterile off-spring either (as it would be if it fully took on the situations of reality). -- Konig/talk 23:11, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
If only we could ask Alarrin of the Frostborn to ask Bear what Bear thinks of the Kodan. Maybe Koda and Bear one in the same and the Kodan exaggerate Bears importance seeing how they're talking bears rather than talking wolves or ravens or snow leopards. Ramei Arashi 05:00, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
I'd technically be more prone to link Koda with Melandru, who's worshiped among non-human races and even holds legends of creating the world among races who hate the Six. Bear just seems like she could of been one of those chaotic bear spirits who did not stand up, since we see her as an actual bear. -- Konig/talk 19:15, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Please König, try "could have been" for once. It's blinding my eyes. 02:12, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I dunno.....[edit]

Everyone seems all hyped up about these guys, and a lot are asking for this to be a playable race. But going by what has recently been revealed about them, I don't think I'm going to like them all that much. They seem like they'd have even worse supieriority complexes than the Asura.--Will Greyhawk 05:05, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Personally, if you play a race for it's ideals, I certainly hope you're not a Charr. Or Horde... EiveTalk 05:11, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Technically, every race seems to have a superiority complex on a general scale. Especially so in gw1 (tengu view them better than humans, humans better than all, centaurs better than humans, stone summit better than all, charr better than all(or at least grawl and humans), norn better than all (until proven otherwise), asura better than all, etc.); in gw2 this is less straight forward atm for some races (human and sylvari primarily), but still very much there in almost every race. It's just different aspects that they view themselves better... and on a general scale, they're right - asura are, typically, smarter than other races just as charr and norn are, typically, stronger than other races. -- Konig/talk 05:44, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
There is nothing likeable about kodan (or charr). A race that thinks it has the right to judge the others is a threat. Ramei Arashi 19:22, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
The charr don't judge the other races, they conquer them. Also, I doubt kodan will ever be playable, based on their culture. I think that the kodan article was also rather pointless. Interesting, maybe, yet I would prefer something more important and to discover the kodan through in-game interaction with them. –~=Ϛρѧякγ AHHH! (τѧιк) ←♥– 19:50, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Agreed with the finding of the kodan through in-game interaction, but it is nice to have a set basis to go off of akin to this or this. @Ramei: So you're saying that the judicial system, the courts and judges, juries, and the like which judge people and decide whether they're guilty or not, are a threat? My god! Our entire law system's a threat to us! A bigger threat than the criminals it condemns alongside the mishap trials! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!! -- Konig/talk 21:49, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
I"d have to agree with Ramei, its a big reason why I'm not crazy about the Kodan. @ Eive, I'll admit, the ideals are a factor in how I feel about any of the races. The ideals are a part of a races lore, and lore is rather important to me. It gives more depth to a race beyond its cosmetic design. I do have mixed feelings about some of the available races. The conquer all, humans (and other races) are food/slaves isn't exactly endearing me to the charr. However, their level of badassness is very appealing. While the over sized egos of the Norn also isn't a positive mark for them, many other aspects of their culture, design, etc. does heavily appeal to me, especially in regards to my own Norse ancestry. Plus, like the charr, the Norn are badasses. I'm still on the fence on the sylvari, especially since I heard about them supposedly getting a bit of a redesign. I"m going a little long here, so I'll skip the asura and the humans for now. In regards to the Kodan, for starters, they seem to have just come out of left feild, no major reason for them to be there (yet). I've already stated that they aren't appealing in regards to the ideals/culture. Finally, to be frank, bipedal polar bears in armor is all that cool to me. I don't really get it. Its not a terrible design or anything, just seems unnecessary. That said, I encourage Arenanet to prove me wrong.

(Reset indent) It's funny you should say that Mr. IP, I've noticed that every race is egocentric. The asura are a bunch of arogant folks..., the norn think that they are the best at combat, the charr think they're better than all, kodan are all like "what's up? Oh yeah, the norn are failures." Humans kinda "relocated" all non-humans out of cantha... So... it adds tensions to a loosely formed alliance. - Lucian Talk. Shadowborn 0:31, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

That's not entirely correct on the kodan. See here; I'll snip a little though: "The kodan and norn are not hostile towards one another. While the kodan consider it their duty to judge “lesser” races they do not do so hastily. When first meeting a race that does not express any hostility towards them the kodan will try to judge and bring that race into balance with the amount of force and haste that they feel is required by that specific situation. [...] With races that they have peaceful contact with such as the norn the kodan may take some time in considering exactly how best to bring them into balance." The idea of kodan viewing norn as failures does not seem to be a common thing, or at least does not hinder any contact between the two groups. -- Konig/talk 02:42, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

True but with "...the kodan often treat the norn as spiritual failures, possibly even a race moving backwards in the cycle of life, toward primitivism and destruction...", its sort of like the GW1 Asura and Humans. The Asura do not engage but still talk down upon to a human. As if the asura is higher (not litterally, they're vertically challenged). You have to admit, there could be tensions. However, with the article you provided I can see how the developers would like people to know that there won't be anything. - Lucian Talk. Shadowborn 3:26, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Seems they didn't think this through[edit]

Norn are apparently Kodan who have "lost their fur." But they can change into an animal form at will. Surely it would make more sense if Kodan were a group of Norn that many a year ago had become one with their Bear Spirit? -- Professor Shaft 9:07, 15 January 2011 (GMT)

I think its more like, the Norn are Kodan that lost their "at oneness" with the Bear Spirit? but still kinda maintained the ability to call appon its powers every now and then? Jnew 09:34, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
It says that it's speculated by some that the Norn and Kodan share a common ancestory. I guess it would be the same sort of thing with Cro-Magnon and Neanderthals, with respect to physical appearance. - Aios Wanna talk? 23:17, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Aios, the common ancestry would be that some kodan scholars and Voices believe that the norn are descended from the kodan tribe that had no Voice leader and disappeared. Which makes little sense to me considering gw1:Prenuptial Disagreement. -- Konig/talk 01:22, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Well, creating a species that was originally not planned and then fitting some lore into it is not the easiest thing. Esspecially with something so close to norn. - Aios Wanna talk? 2:35, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
The main thing I got from Prenuptial Disagreement was the potential of having half-norn children. Assuming that biology is upheld in the GW2 universe (lol-science), that has two main implications; cross-breeding between races implies either closeness in genetics (in which case the number of chromosomes is the same inherently) or a random occurrence of the chromosomes of one organism being equal to that of another. The random chance is slim to none, so I'll go on with the closeness in genetics. If they are close enough in genetics, and there is the ability to reproduce into a half-species, that can have two outcomes (I know, biology branches a lot): either half-norn are a truebreeding species, or they are sterile, caused by a post-zygotic barrier. But who needs science in video games now a days? ;) Aqua (T|C) 02:58, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Just because the kodan speculate that norn are descendants of them does not really mean anything. –~=Ϛρѧякγ AHHH! (τѧιк) ←♥– 03:19, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
^ User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 13:17, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Also, just because some people think there are such thing as half-norns are possible, it doesn't mean they actually are. Zolann The IrreverentUser Zolann The Irreverent Mysterious Summoning Stone.png 23:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Racial Sypathy[edit]

Just my guess, but I think that the Norn will be Racially Sympathetic to the Kodan. Intense Lightning 23:19, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Their names...[edit]

are beautiful! I was hoping to add a little trivial note regarding the structure of these, but I'm unsure on how to phrase it. It would appear as if the kodan earn their names through their actions, accomplishments and characteristics, similar to how older native american names were given. Is this a flat out bad idea, or something to consider? — d r e a m | 09:28, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Their name's system should go in their culture section. They describe it as being named off of what they feel describes them best (Farthest Shore is a kodan who feels distant from his people, for instance). They'll even change their name if their personality changes (there's a kodan who changed his name from "Laughs At The Moon" to something more depressed because his wife was killed by Jormag).
Norn gain their name by actions and accomplishments. Konig/talk 16:21, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
So basically, they choose their own names, taking into account their own distinguishing characteristics and traits? That which defines them. — d r e a m | 22:03, 27 June 2012 (UTC)


Shouldn't it be "the Kodan?" Similarly, "the Norn" is the formal title (proper noun) for the Norn race (adjective; lower case). (Although in English, we tend to capitalize more often: A Frenchmen is a member of the French nation of French-speaking peoples who eat French food and follow a French culture — see for example, Culture of France @wikipedia.) – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:21, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Name of the races are not capitalized, often this blogpost mentioned in this matter. 16:34, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Actually, what they said was, "Starting with this article, we’re changing Guild Wars 2 house style to conform more closely to CMS rules. Professions are now lowercased except when used in a title. The same goes for playable races, though nationalities and group affiliations will remain uppercase as is consistent with contemporary practice."
So there are contexts in which race names would be capitalized. That said, I see that ANet uses "kodan" in the blogpost upon which most of this article is based. So, regardless of what Stein meant (or how CMS describes usage), ANet's actual practice is all lower case.
@87: thanks for fixing my typo (I actually meant for my edit to stick with the current convention). Also thanks for the link; very helpful. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:51, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
The Kodan might also refer to the kodan nation or society instead of just the people or the race, depending on how the kodan themselves see their race. This might be important in case they accept converts, similiar to the Qunari from Dragon Age series. Mediggo 17:22, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I had in mind. However, in the blog I linked, ANet consistently used lowercase, even when (within the context) uppercase would actually fit the CMS better. I think that means that, on this wiki, we err on the side of lower case...and only use uppercase when there's a very strong reason. ANet might/might not be using CMS properly, but that's moot because their actual practice with regards to race names/adjectives is very clear from their blogs.
(Mind you, I think ANet is still being inconsistent and headache-inducing with their overall naming conventions and style guides, but that's completely offtopic and unhelpful, i.e. I'll rant about it in the privacy of my own userSpace later on.) Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:44, 29 June 2012 (UTC)


I was hoping the Kodan would be playable at release. It's inevitable that they will become playable in an expansion though. I mean, honestly, armed to the teeth polar bears. Name mine Global Warming just for laughs. - EndeavorTalk 21:22, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Living Near Quaggan[edit]

I've noticed that Kodan Sanctuaries seem to be hanging out near Quaggan Villages. Any specific reason? Or is there a page explaining this that I missed? --ShananylDracon (talk) 00:26, 15 October 2014 (UTC)