Talk:Destroyer

Delete

Is it certain this is no part of GW2? It is a lore article, and the Great Destroyer was one of Primordus' highest generals. I'd say this stays. Dragnmn talk cont 10:18, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

They do not exist in GW2, and neither does the Great Destroyer. Simply use interwiki links when they are working. --77.98.23.140 13:23, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd say keep the talk page, as the reference to them could be important. And we can always undelete the page if need be. -- Armond Warblade 07:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Wait wait wait.What?...Primodis=Leader... Great Destroyer=General... Primordis WOULD keep his own servants...lol? --Neil2250 , The Zoologist 18:21, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

We don't know if the name "Destroyer" stays though. Besides, it was the Great Destroyer which made the Destroyers, not Primordus, who just made the Great Destroyer. -- Konig/talk 18:29, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Then Wouldent he call them the Primorders? ...Sounds like a football team. --Neil2250 , The Zoologist 18:30, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Not necessarily... -- Konig/talk 18:38, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

We have confirmation they exist in GW2. --Santax (talk · contribs) 18:38, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

"..."waging war with the Dwarves"..." i thought the whole thing got explained there.--Neil2250 , The Zoologist 18:59, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Stub tag

This doesn't need a stub tag. This is all of the information currently available to us that relates to GW2. Eive 15:09, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

agreed, removed Venom20 15:11, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Currently?

Wait? How many dwarves is alive really? Are there enough to say that they're in "war"?--AdventurerPotatoe - 00:34, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Kinda fixed it.. Kinda.--Neil • 00:37, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Unknown amount. Supposedly all dwarves from their civilization could be around, but stone and waging war. A war doesn't have to be between large groups either - it just has to be a continual string of related battles. -- Konig/talk 03:32, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Conflict

On the Destroyer page is says that the only known destroyer champion was the Destroyer of Life, but that page says that it is the second known destroyer champion, with gw1:The Great Destroyer being the first. Which is correct? The Great Destroyer was a general, but would he also be classified as a champion? - Giant Nuker 18:23, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering Erasculio's edit on the Destroyer of Life page. Either way, I don't find it necessary to note all the champions on this page. Rather, it should be like branded, and list the names of destroyers - Destroyer of Life should go in said list (as should the Shatterer on the branded page which I'm adding atm).

Whether the GD was a champion or not... its hard to say due to the fact that the GD was the "greatest" general of Primordus. -- Konig/talk 19:29, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

"The dwarves have sacrificed their entire race to defeat a single dragon champion." - from the back of EoD, so yes, the GD is indeed a previous champion. -- Konig/talk 19:57, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

The worst of all is that actually, they didn't fought against the proper champion after sacrificing their race with their new form, just against his (primordius) minions... Maybe this wasn't the real "destroyer" from their legends? The stone summit is never seen working alongside the destroyers after all... on the other hand, the dwarves still fight against primordius minions so maybe the real great destroyer from their legends is Primordius. Lokheit 15:38, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

It was, it was confirmed by Linsey Murdock a while back that the Great Destroyer in EN was the Great Destroyer of legends (gw1:Guild_Wars_Wiki:Projects/Unanswered_questions/Lore#The_Great_Destroyer). Jeff Grubb indirectly reconfirmed this in a recent interview with GuildMag. -- Konig/talk 18:03, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

"they didn't fought against the proper champion after sacrificing their race with their new form" Perhaps not, but the sacrifice was with the intent to do so, and it was certainly helpful if not decisive. --ஸ Kyoshi 23:54, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

As I pointed out, it was the "proper champion" and intended enemy. They probably just didn't know of Primordus and the others - legends are not widely believed, after all. -- Konig/talk 01:48, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Page change?

Due to destroyers existing in Guild Wars 2 (dynamic events, new versions such as Destroyer Crabs), should we begin to add the types of enemies to this page? --DAVA 15:58, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Whoever said we wouldn't?Konig/talk 16:14, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Do destroyers ever talk?

do any destroyer ever speak? All other dragons have speaking minions (exeption is Deep sea dragon because no minion seen in game) so do some destroyers speak or are all mute? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.79.110.131 (talk) at 20:47, 4 July 2018‎ (UTC).

No they don't. I don't believe Branded or Ice brood talk either, just the Risen and Mordrem. - Do_odleplex 20:56, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Icebrood definitely talk, at least the norn-corrupted ones. —Ventriloquist 22:00, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

There are a few examples of Branded and Icebrood talking. Off the top of my head, for the Branded, there is Champion Branded Josso Essher and Champion Victurus the Shattered. For the Icebrood, there is Aldus Stormbringer, Ginva the Butcher, Kodan's Bane, Huntsman of Jormag, Sorge the Zealot and Wollam the Plunderer.

I'm pretty sure the Destroyers are the only dragon minions that do not talk because they are the only dragon minions not created from corpses. Skrittman (talk) 22:04, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

*Ponders what Tyria would be like if Mordremoth's minions couldn't speak*... Hmmm, a whole playable race done in pantomime; I see no issue. G R E E N E R 22:09, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Well I guess I need to do more PoF stuff when I get a functional computer and more dungeons. That's probably why I didn't think of those. And Greener...you'd make the RPGers stupidly happy lol. - Do_odleplex 22:14, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Excluding Glint and Vlast, there's only three branded known to speak - the two mentioned above and, in the novels, Champion Chief Kronon too. On top of those named icebrood, generic icebrood quaggan also talk, as well as quite a few more icebrood norn. It should be noted that the only mordrem to speak are just the sylvari (and Pale Tree). Konig (talk) 23:13, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Oh right, the initial mordrem like Husks and thrashsers and stuff don't talk, I forgot. - Do_odleplex 23:21, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Basically, if you corrupt creature with ability to speak, it should be able to speak after the corruption too (to some degree at least). As demonstrated by Braham after the corruption, he was, indeed, capable of comunication and, indeed again, used it generaly to state the thoughts of Primordus and to coordinate lesser Destroyers (thus proving they are able to listen, wow... generally having ears?) - We are Primordus. Kill ice.--The almighty, all-knowing, generally omniscient, honored and beloved master Anomalous (talk) 11:39, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Stone Summit drakes

I have reverted the trivia about Stone Summit using non-corrupted drakes, as if you look at them, and compare them to normal drakes they clearly have signs of corruption, like their inner fire mouth and darkened skin, similar even to Braham when he was a Dragon champion. Perhaps they are not full destroyers yet but the signs, visuals and even the lore point to them being corrupted already. ~Sime 00:14, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

However, since there is no tangible proof for either stance (we cannot 100% confirm they are destroyers and the same applies for them being alive), I have re-added and tweaked the trivia to offer both perspectives. Feel free to tweak it further but in my opinion, both possibilities should be mentioned or the trivia should be deleted. ~Sime 01:02, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Personally, I feel that we should not include that trivia note as, based on visual and mechanical cues, it is highly likely that the drakes are in fact destroyers, and as such, despite Primordus not typically corrupting, given the circumstances involving these drakes, it is certainly possible that they were corrupted with their masters. Sunlion (talk) 03:41, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

From my opinion, the drakes does not physically look fully corrupted (not enough stone you know... Well, even Braham was not fully corrupted as would appearance say.), so I would say it could be a specific breed of drakes used by those Stone Summit members even before the corruption. They could be partialy corrupted, more like enhanced by fire magic better to state (as partial corruption should spread in time and thus not be possible), however let me to point out that even the classical drakes are able to breathe fire. You could say these ones have yellow eyes and throat, well fire hydras have these sigils too. This trivia is crucible to point out the specific ?symbiosis? between drakes as living animals and those dwarves as Destroyers. And in my case if I had to choose if these drakes are animals or Destroyers, I'd choose the animal classification. --The almighty, all-knowing, generally omniscient, honored and beloved master Anomalous (talk) 11:30, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

The Stone Summit in general used ice drakes, which these clearly are not. And regarding the presence of stone: the scales, tail and head fit the average destroyer colouration, as well as the spines. Also, the mentioned "yellow eyes and throat" argument is void, as the eyes and throats of hydras only light up when breathing fire, if memory serves, whereas the drakes have these features permanently. Mechanically speaking as well, if the Stone Summit are truly destroyers, as you made that change without input from others, then it is extremely likely that the drakes share that race. Sunlion (talk) 03:26, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

They could still breed new kind, however my point was the drakes does not seem corrupted enough (there was somewhere a quotation from devs about how Primordus should corrupt; involving stone, lava and all that stuff... http://www.guildmag.com/magazine/issue9/interview.htm), more like touched by fire magic (Primordus's magic). Should they be really corrupted, it would still be a very special kind of corruption. As for the dwarves, noone can deny they are corrupted by Primordus and therefore they are his minions generally called Destroyers. For more information see the Stone Summit talk page. (Or would you like to tell me if Jormag corrupts a kodan to Icebrood the race of that kodan would still be Kodan?) --The almighty, all-knowing, generally omniscient, honored and beloved master Anomalous (talk) 10:59, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm not objecting to the change, just the lack of time given for discussion about it. Sunlion (talk) 20:06, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

About the interview, that's from 2012 and neither the Stone Summit nor Braham fit that description very much. The drakes' coloration fits the same level of detail for corruption as Ryland, the mordrem logan, zojja, hylek, and saurians - a simple texture swap that's mostly a hue shift with some shader effects. As there's no other instance of destroyers working with non-destroyers, even in IBS, it's rather unlikely these drakes are not corrupted to some degree. 173.184.182.220 20:30, 27 February 2022 (UTC)