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haaai relyk. i see you post in my guru section occasionally but i never think to say hi there. -Auron 04:41, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

guru section? I look forward to lurking gw2wiki once pvx and guildguru are dead. It's surprising how much is already accomplished with a game still almost a month away from release.--Relyk 10:41, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

i mod sardelac. hard work etc. -Auron 15:08, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Eternity Recipe

Could you give a link to where you found the Eternity recipe? I frequent all the main legendary research venues and I've never seen any discussion on it.Strill 20:41, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I just edited the page, the information was already there.--Relyk 21:01, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Deleting Relevant Info

Please do not delete relevant information on Mainspace pages. And especially do not do it with no explanation given. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/index.php?title=Magic_find&diff=prev&oldid=391245 174.119.127.38 13:26, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

The level required for the item isn't relevant to magic find, it doesn't go in the section header, and can be found on individual pages if needed. The levels could be better listed on Doubloon. This is already done for Sigil of Luck, the upgrade component page, and each rune page. I honestly don't care about it but reverting my edit without giving a proper reason is in bad taste.--Relyk 19:19, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Relyk, my apology for butting in on a topic that doesn't involve me, but I want to point out that you seem to have a blind spot. Here is someone who has the same complaint I have: You undid work he did, without explaining why. And then you said it was in bad taste for HIM to revert your edit. WAIT -- I don't understand your thinking: if it was in bad taste for him to revert your edit without an explanation, then why wasn't it in bad taste for you to delete what he had put in WITH NO EXPLANATION? Please explain. Ssquester 08:27, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

In regards to the topic at hand and not personal attacks, the level requirement of items that give a magic find boost is not relevant on a page about magic find. It'd be like putting the cost in copper of items that give a magic find boost on a page about magic find. MS 21:14, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

(reset indent)@Relyk: "The level required for the item isn't relevant to magic find"

1. If this is your esteemed opinion, why didn't you remove the level required from the Jewels & Gems / Consumables section? Why didn't you remove "Rarity" and "Duration"?
2. You are incorrect. The level required to use *anything* is absolutely relevant to articles, as evidenced by the levels already existing for the other sections. Additionally evidenced by "Rarity" and "Duration" being included in the Magic Find article. I added the req's to CONFORM to the rest of the article. So yes, you did delete relevant info.

"it doesn't go in the section header"

• Then modify the information, don't just delete it. Of course, since you incorrectly assumed that the info was not relevant, it's easy to see how you made this error.

"can be found on individual pages if needed"

• The WHOLE POINT of including all the ways to get magic find, is to have ONE page where you can see what magic find there is available AND available FOR YOUR LEVEL. Suggesting that users go to EACH page, to look up the req's, is beyond dumbfounding.

"This is already done for Sigil of Luck, the upgrade component page"

• Please get your facts straight.

1. As of this date, the Sigil of Luck pages DO NOT include the level required to use them. The pages ONLY state the required level to MAKE them. I had to reference Sigils to find the req's.
2. The upgrade component page has NO level req's for Runes, Sigils, or Doubloons.

"but reverting my edit without giving a proper reason is in bad taste"

• Look, I don't know what your problem is, and "I honestly don't care about it". DON'T make false accuastions, to try to make yourself look good on your page.

1. I did NOT revert your edit. I saw that someone incorrectly deleted relevant information from a mainspace article, with NO REASON GIVEN. What you did was vandalisim. I manually restored the information, in a new, more suitable format.
2. I commented HERE asking you to not delete relevant info. I also pointed out that you should be giving a reason for your deletion. I did include "a proper reason" in the summary of my edit (Put back "Level required", new format). As you could not be bothered to include a reason for your deletion, there was nothing I could refute in my summary.

Looking at your contributions, you rarely provide a summary of your edits or have the courtesty to use the "This is a minor edit" checkbox. There are community standards and you seem to think you are above them. You are not conforming to them and you are making the history pages harder to review.

1. Please provide a summary of your edits. This allows other users to see how a page has changed over time and it faciliates communication.
2. If your are making a minor edit, please use the "This is a minor edit" checkbox.
3. This is an english wiki, please use english in your summaries. The following summaries are neither helpful or informative.

• "zz"
• "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
• "meh"
• "urgh"

@Ssquester: Thank You for adding your voice to this converstion. I would like to implicitly clarify the following.

1. You make an excellent point about his hypocrisy.
2. I did not revet his edit. See above for an explanation.

@MS: Perhaps you should check the page IN QUESTION, before commenting. I added the req's to CONFORM to the rest of the article. Your comparison to the "cost in copper" is specious, at best. The cost is not NEARLY as relevant as knowing WHEN you can use an item.192.168.104.82 19:56, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

The level on an upgrade component only indicates what equipment what it can be put on. If you didn't notice, upgrade components, jewels, and consumables are not the same thing. There's no sign saying they have to all display the same information, because they can't actually do that. All the information was added without any discussion on the talk page, so you can't say that anyone agrees or disagrees that the information is relevant.

It has nothing to do with modifying, the section heading were being used incorrectly, see w:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Section_headings.

Sigil of Luck doesn't list it's required level in-game, therefore it's not going to be in the infobox. This information is the same for any sigil, and is provided on the sigil article as you pointed out. If people can't figure out to click the link as you did, a note can be added at the top or in the Notes section. I was referring to the upgrade component page, not Upgrade component. That means the rune, sigil, and doubloon (which I already linked to).

You re-added information I removed, that's a reversion of my contribution, let's not mince words. Now if I don't give a reason, you can ask me about my edit on my talk page. Instead you come to my talk page saying I was wrong because I didn't give a reason and then you reverted it before I could respond. I'd say that's in bad taste. Your edit summary gives no explanation for the reversion, there was nothing you could refute because no actually discussion had taken place yet.

Edit summaries are not discussion, you don't use summaries to argue with other contributors. I am not required to use the minor edit checkbox. I can write whatever the fuck I want in an edit summary, I'm well prepared to discuss my edits on my talk page rather than the history of an article page. If you want to lecture about English, I'd advise first using talk pages correctly so I don't have to decipher what you're saying in your hyperextended comment.

If you think that the levels of various upgrade components are relevant, bring it up on the talk page for discussion because I disagree with that position. If other people care enough to think it matters, then it can be added in a table like jewelry instead of the crappy plain text it has right now. I'll again say, I won't give a fuck about lsited the level req if you have consensus that the level requirements should be shown.--Relyk 20:45, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Deleting redirects

Why delete redirect "Renown heart events"? That's what I type in when I want to find them, and that is the whole point of redirect pages. Right? Ssquester 06:50, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Because no one else find that a category page on a list of renown hearts is what they want or useful. They are going to look at/see the Renown heart page first, where there is a much more concise and useful table doing just that. Category pages are terrible for delivering information. Make a link in your userspace if you want to use that page as reference. You've made other redirects like this that really shouldn't be there because there are better ways to get/deliver that information to people looking for it.--Relyk 07:03, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Huh?

"You've made other redirects like this that really shouldn't be there because there are better ways to get/deliver that information to people looking for it." I couldn't disagree more. People type in what they type in. If you are saying that it should redirect to some different page, then make that change. That would be great. DO NOT DELETE REDIRECTS -- all that does is mean someone who THINKS DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU will FAIL TO FIND WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR!! Ssquester 07:24, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

You also requested that I wait for your response before undoing one of your edits. Normally, I would do so. But this is a change that was useful to me (and anyone else who types in that phrase), and does no harm to you or anyone else. I undid it for the simple reason that typing in the phrase "Renown heart events" became, effectively, a broken link. How does it benefit anyone to have that result? You also suggested that if I want such a link, i add it to my user page. Huh? It isn't that I want such a link, its that I want the wiki to respond usefully when that phrase is typed in. If you have a better solution, I'd like to hear it. Ssquester 07:32, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Actually, let me back up and talk about the bigger problem. Typing in either "Renown heart" or "renown heart NPC" leads to rather useless pages, that explain what those topics are. Who cares? IMHO, what almost anyone who is coming here is looking for, is SPECIFICS. Find any way to get people DIRECTLY to SPECIFICS, and I would be happy. Ssquester 07:32, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

That is what consensus is for, not creating redirects on a whim because you find it useful. I'm not saying it should redirect to something else, I don't think the redirect should be there at all. The world isn't going to end if the redirect is or isn't there, it is preferable that the issue is discussed instead of starting a revert war. Any competent person will be able to find the Renown heart page, as you can access it from the main page or even from in-game. If they want to find a specific event, they can start typing it into the search bar and it will bring up the page under results. If they aren't sure or unfamiliar about the search bar, they can navigate from the Renown heart page to their specific region or zone and pick out the event from list provided. If they are even slightly familiar with wikis, the Renown Heart page is in the Category:Renown hearts and viewers such as yourself can navigate that way. As for who cares about the Renown heart page itself, you can find the answer on the front page as a banner: "Welcome to the official Guild Wars 2 Wiki, the comprehensive reference written and maintained by the players".--Relyk 07:52, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

1) "Any competent person will be able to find the Renown heart page, as you can access it from the main page "

Regrettably, what the main page takes you to is a discussion of what a Renown heart is. I wager that 99% of the people who come to this wiki already know what a Renown heart is. They are trying to find out WHAT SPECIFIC Renown heart NPCs and events are. What I am trying to do is streamline the wiki to get people to SPECIFICS.

2) I find it bizarre that you are arguing for a need for consensus before a redirect exists. And referring to my adding the redirect back in as starting "a revert war". A redirect is very different than editing in a page that someone sees. How did you know the redirect was added? By looking at recent changes, right? It had ZERO impact on YOUR (or anyone's) experience in browsing the wiki.

3) If there is "a revert war" going on, it is YOU that started it. You deleted a redirect page, because you don't personally find it useful. What does it matter that it isn't useful to you? You don't even have to know that it exists. The only people it affects, are people who type in the phrase. This is very different than making edits on pages that people DO see.

4) So far, you have given no tangible argument against having extra redirects around. What is your argument against them? Please explain. Ssquester 08:20, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

NOTE: Disregard my point (1) above. My "skimming" skipped over the table that lists regions, which contains links to the renown hearts per region. I think this is why: I had previously seen such a table, on the regions page or somewhere. I subconsciously thought "I'm not looking for a list of regions, I'm looking for a list of NPCs or heart events". I will ponder if there is any way to help someone else who has a similar blindspot. But PLEASE observe a common theme to why you and I disagree about what is appropriate in this wiki: Not everyone thinks like you, yet you make statements that are dismissive of anyone who can't see something that is obvious to you. My goal is to add additional information that, if it had been present, would have helped me find what I was looking for. I do so, to help the next person who comes along, who has similar blind spots to me. After all, YOU already know all this stuff. You don't need the wiki. Most people who come here, will skip through all the explanations. That is human nature. A given person is typically looking for some simple fact, and will skim pages and click buttons till they find it. Its not rational, but it is how most people's minds works. Ssquester 08:52, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

BTW: Re "Because no one else find that a category page on a list of renown hearts is what they want or useful." I partially agree. I agree that organization by region is much more commonly what is desired. So I will change what page my redirect points to. At the time I made that redirect, I had failed to find that table. However, you should not claim that "no one" ever finds an alphabetical list of something useful. Maybe someone remembers that an NPC that had an item had a name starting with "A", but forgot where it was. Or they jotted down the name, and didn't jot down the zone. Or they just want to peruse all the names, and be amazed at how many NPCs there are, or all the interesting names that are used. Just saying. Ssquester 10:01, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I hope Yandere's solution is sufficient for what you want. "Renown heart events" is a misnomer as events are something different, that is not a proper way to term it. You're more likely to confuse people if they see that in the search bar. It simply redirects to renown heart, which will pop up in the search bar first anyways. As for people skimming pages, the first page they are going to skim is renown heart, not "renown heart events", "list of renown hearts", etc. because renown heart is an official term they know will be on the wiki when they use the /wiki command. You don't need a mass of redirect links to lead people to the information they need, that comes from the design of the wiki. As for your points:

2)Your problem wasn't the redirect, it was finding information, which is something that should be discussed on an appropriate page such as the community portal. The redirect will pop up in the search bar, so that will impact anyone that starts a query with Renown heart. It also allows people to link using "renown heart events" instead of "Renown heart", which is a bad thing. It impacts people maintaining the wiki because they are the ones that remove redundant or unnecessary redirects. You are creating an entirely new page on the wiki, it's not going to effect the average user, but you have to keep in mind it does impact others maintaining the wiki. It's a minor issue, but I put a lot of weight in even creating a redirect page.

3)When I add the delete tag, that doesn't delete the page, it's a proposal to delete the page. Getting outraged and immediately reverting my edit before discussion takes place doesn't get anyone anywhere. No one starts a revert war; I did stop because you were very keen to continue reverting my edits with or without discussion. And really, when I see the redirect, it looked like vandalism because you created seemingly on a whim with no previous discussion with no obvious use for the actual redirect.

4) As for redirects, the wikipedia article on it is helpful.--Relyk 20:59, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Mithril Mining Pick

Why did you get rid of my waypoints for Jezza, Relyk? WHY?? I want answers! 68.108.7.82 17:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

I swear to god it wasn't me whoever did such a shameful thing. That person should put instructions on the actual NPC page so fine players such as yourself can find her easily.--Relyk 17:35, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

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192.168.104.82 17:36, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

lol...I got a new IP address in a matter of minutes...look at that! haha 68.108.7.82 17:37, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Have you re-checked the karma price with Guard Barnaby? 192.168.104.79 17:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

wtf? My IP address keeps changing. Anyway, I need answers on that karma price, Relyk! 68.108.7.82 17:46, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

nope, lemme get right on that for you after I find a computer with gw2 installed--Relyk 17:48, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Completely unrelated to the topic, but since Mr. IP keeps commenting on it: the wiki's cache server is borked up. It randomly assigns internal LAN IP addresses (192.168.x.x) to users instead of their actual IP address. Anet is aware of this but apparently they don't know how to fix it. —Dr Ishmael 18:36, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Anyway, I had Guard Barnaby's Mithril Logging Axe set to 378 , but Relyk here changed it to 140 . I don't think that's accurate, man. 192.168.104.82 23:43, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

That's either copypaste or I thought it was the same price as the other merchants--Relyk 00:04, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

So go fix it, retard. You're fucking up everyone's edits on this wiki. 68.108.7.82 05:27, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sorry. I missed the part where this is a wiki and people who actually care about documenting shit aren't allowed to make a few mistakes here and there in the dozens of constructive edits they make. Right, it's perfectly okay to bitch and whine when the karma price for an unimportant item no one cares about is accidentally changed, because it's such a huge ordeal to go and re-confirm it yourself. Ah, but that would take effort or make you lose face or something - much more convenient to call the other editor a fucktard and let him fix it for you while looking like a fool. Vili 点 05:38, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad he pointed it out, as I can now correct that Guard Barnaby sells 75 Mithril Logging Axe for 378 karma instead of the normal 100.-Relyk 06:01, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm the one who added that karma price to the wiki after encountering Guard Barnaby, so it was correct and accurate at the time. Then, Relyk comes here and reformats the wiki article and edits the karma price to an inaccurate value. He made the mistake, so he should fix it. The end, you silly piece of shit. 192.168.104.82 21:47, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I will now stick a shotgun in my mouth and blow my brains out as I realize how wrong I was and that this problem can never be resolved. however, a noble soul has healed the problem out of his kindness and we could all do better to follow by his example.--Relyk 21:52, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Maybe I'll just post info here on your popular talk page when I see an inaccuracy or missing information in the wiki from the game so you butt buddies can add the info into the wiki for me since you love to make all these edits and formatting, and anything I add just gets deleted or rearranged anyway.192.168.104.79 21:58, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I get slight sexual arousal from deleting, removing, reinterpreting, and modifying your contributions, keep them coming!--Relyk 04:20, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I figured as much. Can you start by adding to the Cursed Shore article that Cursed Shore can be reached from Doric's Waypoint in Malchor's Leap, then crossing the bridge south of that waypoint? I want to help other players find out where to go and how to get to Cursed Shore.68.108.7.82 05:48, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

They made the entrance rather obscure as you can't see a clear passage on the map, falling off that bridge is a bitch, you have to go all the way around to get back up.--Relyk 06:09, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

spam tagging

When tagging a spam page for deletion, please don't remove the original content. It's a lot easier for admins to verify the spamminess of the page when we don't have to look into the page history for it. Thanks! —Dr Ishmael 14:17, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I keep forgetting that, was doing the same on redirects too--Relyk 15:20, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Categories and tagging

Hey, you removed my tag on Mad King's Slippers to [[:Category:Halloween 2012]]. I was wondering if there was a guideline for where categories should be placed specifically on GW2W, or if you had a reason for removing that, because these items were released as part of Halloween 2012, and therefore - I believe - merit belonging to the Halloween 2012 category. -Jyavoc 16:19, 28 October 2012 (PDT)

They are a part of halloween 2012, but it's better tag the articles that give or pertain to the item while leaving the item itself for standard categories. The content is still available after halloween is over, unlike the special events, meta quests, dungeon, etc. The armor itself can be treated like any other exotic armor set and categorized accordingly. If it was really necessary, I'd tag Mad King's armor with the category.--Relyk 16:29, 28 October 2012 (PDT)

Deleting data?

Why did you delete much of the contents of Mad King's Clock Tower? We should still maintain that data, even as historical, unless it was incorrect in the first place. — Burfo 06:26, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Mad King's Clock Tower (jumping puzzle)--Relyk 06:53, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Oh ok, great! I do suggest next time you include this information in the revision summary to be more clear. — Burfo 14:32, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

In this case, since you transferred nearly all of the content, it would've been better to move the page and then recreate the area page. Now the history of that content is disconnected from it. —Dr Ishmael 14:43, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I'll move it next time so my revision summary appears on the appropriate page for people who don't want to spend 10 seconds of their time to find out what happened to the content. If you want the history, you could always delete the page and move it again.--Relyk 19:25, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

rune/sigil key in item infobox

Your final version still doesn't work for all cases: Rune of the Rata Sum, you'll be generating a key of "Sum". Instead of #explode, I would use a double #replace to first get rid of "Rune/Sigil of " (you'll have to split rune/sigil) and then get rid of "the " if present. —Dr Ishmael 02:39, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I tried other like replace and it looks ugly, but might as well do it right.--Relyk 05:21, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

What's the equivalent of a space? Hello{{#replace:the W|the |}}orld will leave "Hello World".--Relyk 05:55, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Oop, forgot about that little issue. You'll need to wrap everything with {{trim}}. —Dr Ishmael 14:15, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I tried #trim, I knew there must be an equivalent function XD.--Relyk 17:59, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Your coin solution

I like the inline block solution, but now the basic functionality of the template is lost, because the 2 parameter was never about format or not, but about if values with zeros are shown or not.

I now have to type 1 {{gold}} 1 {{copper}} instead of {{coin|10001}} if I want the silver value skipped, which I think is uncomfortable and bears the problem of non-standardized formating. I am glad if we can change this back to normal. - Yandere 07:42, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

1  1 ?--Relyk 07:45, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Ah sorry than only these two variants ar bugged: 1234  56 ; 1 . I assumed it would be a general problem. - Yandere 07:52, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

And since where at it isn't properly formated either. By the way I hope I made clear that I think the inline formating idea is pretty awesome. - Yandere 07:55, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

The spacing without formatting should be good now. {{Coin|?|yes}} is invalid input, so it doesn't get formatted, as it should be!--Relyk 08:21, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

relevance

oh, it absolutely has relevance. that was innapropriate

Sorry, but no, your post had no relevance to the wiki and how we document these new items. While well-written and thoughtful, it's still a meta-discussion about the state of the game. —Dr Ishmael 19:13, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

otstep?

I don't see anything about that in the formatnum: documentation. What does it do? —Dr Ishmael 01:26, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Extension:FormatNum provides it.--Relyk 01:30, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually it wasn't doing anything since we don't have that extension. I don't know why the invalid character was popping up then.--Relyk 01:37, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

It's easy to tell the difference, once you know how - functions provided by extensions have a # in front of them, while MW built-ins don't. —Dr Ishmael 02:19, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I realized that of course, the invalid character was referring to Invalid ',' character error in the template.--Relyk 03:59, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Weapon Template Comma Fix

Seems to be a bug with your comma fix, on values without weapon damage values in them: Destroyer_Greatsword. "Expression error: Unexpected and operator". And on values with commas already in them: Naegling. "Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character ","" Shimpchip 02:56, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Easy solution for the second one, don't include commas. That's bad practice in any case. For the first, well, that exposes a bigger issue we need to address: weapon strength, and really all item stats, is determined by the level, rarity, and type of the weapon. Item stats are like event rewards - we can create a single lookup template for them instead of noting them explicitly on every individual item page. —Dr Ishmael 03:41, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

The otsep parameter is suppose to remove those commas so it doesn't get punctuation error. Like ishmael said, putting commas in integers is bad practice since we can always format the number afterwards. I'm not sure what's going on with the expression logic, the statement by itself provides valid outputs. Even with the lookup table, we still need the ability to override values anyways ^^.--Relyk 03:58, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I was handling the logic wrong, if statements don't use boolean logic and ifexpr gets mad about it.--Relyk 04:24, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Your Opinion

Keep your opinion of my opinion on your userspace. --Mooseyfate 16:22, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Since I want to make sure you read this, I'll write this here instead of on your user talk. Looking through your contributions, the vast majority are either to your userspace or to article talk pages with some critique or other rather than actually discussing the content of the article. I'm not going to tell you that this is wrong or inappropriate, but I will say that this isn't Guildwiki or PvX or GWW or any similar place. GW2W is closer to something like Wikipedia; the purpose of this site is to document and discuss facts about Guild Wars 2, and that's mostly it. Why is it different? Because Anet has the Official Forums, which is the appropriate place to air the kinds of concerns you frequently have about the game. ArenaNet simply does not look at this wiki for game-related feedback, and even if they theoretically did, legally they can't use any suggestions they find here anyway. It was different with Guild Wars 1 because there was at least the Feedback namespace, and also because there was no "official" place to do those sorts of things; there were places like Guru, which were unofficially official, but still. That's why people similar to you, who spend most of their time and edits writiong op-ed instead of contributing to the wiki, were more tolerated in those places.

Again, I'm not trying to tell you that what you're doing is inherently wrong or against the rules; there is no policy stating that you can't comment on talk pages or whatever. I'm just trying to explain why you're getting this kind of negative reaction. If you were making a lot of edits to mainspace articles and otherwise contributing in a more balanced proportion, then it might be different; if this wiki had a lot more people working on it, so it wasn't constantly suffering from incomplete and outdated information, then it might be different; but I hope you can understand that some people are dissatisfied because it feels like all anyone wants to do is debate the game insead of document it, and this just isn't the place to do that. Vili 点 17:08, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

It's not an opinion, I'm telling you to stop using talk pages for your personal opinion.--Relyk 19:06, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Trolling

Please stop trolling my userspace --Mooseyfate 21:31, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

As you have a problem with my edits and obviously don't agree with my reasons for doing so, you can contact an administrator; it's not likely to go anywhere however.--Relyk 21:36, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

You continue to be a great source of agitation to me. I don't want to bother you, but I don't want reminders of you on my userspace to continue the agitation. Please but out and mind your own piece. Does it make you happy to continue badgering me? Avoid me and I'll avoid you, I don't see how that's too much to ask. --Mooseyfate 21:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

imaginary issue

it isn't an imaginary issue the last major update to the game had a huage page full of feedback that should have been posted on the forums not on the wiki talk page for the update.- Zesbeer 04:58, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

That's to be expected on any major update. It hasn't been an issue for the past month worth of updates, including SotMK. Slapping a notice tag is redundant to the policy on Talk page conduct, it only serves to discourage new users from discussion.--Relyk 05:14, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Zes is thinking about it from a different direction - he sees these people posting feedback, but it's wasted because Anet doesn't read the wiki. He's trying to help these people post in the right place so that their feedback might be useful, instead of posting into the void. —Dr Ishmael 05:51, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

exactly what Dr Ishmael pointed out is my point. Because of how the licensing for the wiki is set up anet can't even use suggestions/feedback on this wiki (unless they are posted on the gw1 feedback namespace) so they wont read the talk pages for feedback because of this reason. so i would rather people post on the forums and get there feedback heard.- Zesbeer 05:58, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

I guess, but I think the notice is excessive in terms of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".--Relyk 06:03, 16 November 2012 (UTC)