Talk:Drakkar

I don't know how to put the box to discuss deletion, but this page belongs just as a trivia note on Jormag's page. I think it's too much having 2 pages to document the exact same stuff. Also even if it's revealed to be the champion of Jormag, people used the fan-term to refer to Jormag as they though it was him. Lokheit 13:14, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I'll put the tag on. I'm not familiar with the fan-term myself, but as far as filling the "gap", it does the job. --Xu Davella 13:33, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

If we encounter "Drakkar" at any given point in GW2, we will make a proper article for him and put this as trivia. In the meantime, "Drakkar" is only related to GW1 at this point so I support deletion. That said, what will the articles specifically linking here link to in the time in between this article's deletion and the proper article in the future? - Infinite - talk 13:38, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Maybe once we find who really this champion of Jormag is we can put this Drakkar thing under trivia section, but right now we don't have anything about him. The great destroyer doesn't have a page of his own. Lokheit 13:48, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Currently people are discussing the GWW articles revolving around the revelation, so inter-wiki linking (like with The Great Destroyer) can be applied (and might need to be updated after said discussion). - Infinite - talk 13:58, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

"Drakkar" was the immediate name given by lore forum members once Eye of the North was released. Just as "Grothmar" was given for what's now known to be Kralkatorrik. Check the history of Jormag and you'll see that the information there once resided on Drakkar (it was moved to Jormag because we misunderstood that this creature was Jormag due to various points).

Regarding relevance to GW2 - think about it. We were only told recently that this guy's a champion, and he was clearly never fought in GW1. There's no way they won't use him in GW2 - or at least, he'll be used for the history between GW1 and GW2. It'd just be a waste of work (and, for that matter, a major waste of hyping) to not use him. The Great Destroyer doesn't have a page because he is killed in GW1. I mainly just created this article due to the history of the Drakkar article and people will most likely continue to search that (and Drakkar Lake).

Due to the above, I propose not deleting, but slapping [[:Category:Articles possibly not relevant to GW2]]‏‎ on this article. All those articles fit under the arguments used for this (and many more not in there). -- Konig/talk 21:56, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Support for deletion; this entire article could quite easily be added to the "Jormag" page in the notes or trivia section with a small thumbnail of the image; Jormag is displayed on the mainpage and thus the information regarding "Drakkar" is just that bit more accessible to casual wiki users, rather than having to search. And what Infinite said X]. Darke 13:47, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

We should not merge the articles. They are 100% different things. We do not merge Glint or The Shatterer into Kralkatorrik, nor have we merged Dragonspawn into Jormag, nor Destroyer of Life into Primordus despite them being smaller, just to make them "more accessible." Accessibility shouldn't the considered in deleting or not - that should be considered on how to make it more accessible. -- Konig/talk 21:45, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Maybe just redirect so ppl know that Drakkar is Jormag...--Icyyy Blue 03:19, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

As was said above and is said in the article; Drakkar isn't Jormag. The possibly not relevant category is a fine until we know better. -- aspectacle  03:48, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Wording

I already removed the phrase that included some subject/verb agreement problems, but the phrasing "able to corrupt Svanir into the Nornbear and another champion of Jormag." makes it sound like Svanir was corrupted into something else in addition to the Nornbear which, as far as I'm aware, isn't the case. How should that be reworded?--Ph03n1x 07:57, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

I can't think of any other champion that was corrupted via Drakkar (I am not a lore scholar), nor can I find anything about it in the reference; should we not either remove that last bit or elaborate on it (or at least properly reference it)? - Infinite - talk 12:45, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

It's correctly worded. He was both the Nornbear and a second (or third?) champion of Jormag. They are one in the same. I'll try to rephrase though for clarity. Konig/talk 19:58, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

That is indeed cleared up. Should've seen that, but I do now. :P - Infinite - talk 20:03, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

His name is actually official

I mean, the book that comes along with the CE does flat-out call it Drakkar and say that it's a champion of Jormag sleeping under a frozen lake. I just figured I should ask before moving the page. -Alarielle- 11:35, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Can you post the exact wording please? It may be a possible nickname. Jeff Grubb said that he nicknamed it Drakkar Beast while explaining how Jormag was never stated to be under Drakkar Lake (ironic that a norn in Hoelbrak does - or at least did during BWE). Konig/talk 11:51, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Well… I can give it to you in French + my own translation. "Personne ne saurait évaluer avec précision le nombre de dragons, ou la date de leur prochain éveil, mais la menace qui pèse est loin d'être méconnue. […] Drakkar, serviteur champion du dragon ancestral Jormag, gît sous un lac, gelé."

Which means, "No one could accurately estimate the number of [Elder] dragons, or when they will next wake up, but the threat they pose is far from unknown. […] Drakkar, champion minion of the Elder Dragon, Jormag, lies under a lake, frozen."

The passage I cut is a sentence about Primordus, and the rest of the paragraph goes on about Kralkatorrik and Zhaitan, and how it's likely that the Giganticus Lupus mentioned in the timeline went extinct during the last rise of the dragons. Obviously if someone had the exact quote from the English version, it'd work better — this passage is on p. 48, and looking at the formatting of the book, I assume it's the same page in all languages. -Alarielle- 12:04, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm. Well it may still be an internal name or nickname for it, but it's the closest to official we got so I wouldn't mind seeing those quotation makes go. It would make sense seeing how there's an area called "Drakkar Spurs" in Frostgorge Sound, I guess. I'll ask a friend who should have the CE for the english wording. Konig/talk 00:00, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly, I doubt we'll get anything more official, unless he somehow appears in the Inevitable Jormag expansion. And even then, considering how many clones of Tequatl we met, even if he's not named Drakkar, it could just be another one. -Alarielle- 13:03, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

I can confirm that from my english language "Making Of" book. "Drakkar, a champion servant of the Elder Dragon Jormag...". Marking Drakkar for deletion and "Drakkar" for moving there. Mediggo 10:58, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Where can we find Drakkar ingame?

We saw him trapped in GW1 Eye of the North. Where is he now in GW2? I assume Claw of Jormag is another champion of Jormag but isn't Drakkar? --175.142.44.47 10:21, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

He comes August 30 2019 -Suspicious Traveler —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 94.132.109.131 (talk).

Drakkar's location in GW2 is unknown as of Season 4 but it wouldn't be surprising for us to meet Drakkar sooner rather than later even if some champions likely suffered from both Braham's assault north and Balthazar's machine shenanigans. It was suggested by NPCs that Jormag may have moved south from the Far Shiverpeaks and taken roost near Bitterfrost Frontier during Season 3's "A Crack in the Ice", thus explaining the area with the exceptionally harsh Bitter Cold, so Drakkar may have followed its master there if Jormag was planning on beginning a new wave of conquest while chasing after the magic of Mordremoth, the magical traces of the exploded Maguuma Bloodstone etc. Claw of Jormag is a title for several champions of Jormag whose purpose is to assault the kodan sanctuaries among other things while Drakkar appears to be another champion unrelated to the Claws. Elder Dragons can have dozens if not hundreds of champions (both bestial and humanoid) acting as generals to command the less intelligent grunt minions. Drakkar played a key part via seducing Svanir and the later Sons to join the cult which empowered Jormag to awaken, so Drakkar may be a special "herald" champion similar to Glint (for Kralkatorrik) and the Great Destroyer (for Primordus) in that its purpose was to help its dragon master rise, and it may repeat its orders now that Jormag's temporarily incapacitated and is in need of magic to heal and rise again. --Kossage (talk) 01:27, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Presuming that Drakkar doesn't get made out to be Frostfang (dragon champion). Which would be SERIOUSLY disappointing. The name "Drakkar" is just a moniker, after all, and not its real name. Konig (talk) 03:17, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

All I care about is that the model is as close to the beast we see in GW1 as possible. I couldn't care less about names and lore and whatnot. I don't see how Drakkar would be confused with Frostfang when Frostfang was killed. --Lustre Of Havoc 話 13:55, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Pronoun?

A recent patch note refers to Drakkar as 'they'. "Fixed a DirectX 11 rendering bug that prevented Drakkar's shadow from showing on the walls of their lair." -- kazerniel (talk | contribs) 15:25, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Most npcs refer to Drakkar as "it", including Jormag, its creator/master, so I would absolutely go with that since it is an ingame lore source, than an out-of-the-game source, aka the patch notes. ~Sime 15:34, 8 June 2022 (UTC)