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Golems 2.0[edit]

Personal Design Hey do any of you know if we will be able to design them so they all look different? This idea is carrying on from the look of the concept art of all the different golems. 86.137.47.146 14:17, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I've moved it for you. --User The Holy Dragons sig.pngThe Holy Dragons 14:26, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Asura Names[edit]

This is on the "see also" category, I think we should include a summary of it on the Notes or Trivia section because it helps people who likes lore to use a proper name for their characters, if tehre is only a link on the "see also" section I think most people wouldn't see it.

BTW If male asuras names are compposed by single syllabes, and end in consonants, I really want to see an asura NPC name Stark that is an expert on battlesuits! :D Lokheit 17:34, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

There is already an entire section on asura naming in the article. I'm thinking of including the same section for other races as well. -- aspectacle User Aspectacle.png 20:41, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
What could be a problem is that with this "name rules", male asura names would have a very limited pool unless you decide to use 8-10 letters in a single sylabe name resulting into completly unpronounceable names. I know you are allowed to name your character like you want it, but I like to keep my character names "in lore". Lokheit 02:52, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
That still gives a large variety. Also there is the whole 'title as a surname' idea. Konig/talk 03:34, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

"Both male and female Asuras typically have two of the same letter in a row somewhere in their name. Any asura whose name does not follow these rules may risk ridicule during childhood." - This sounds as if you get shunned if your name doesn't have two of the same letter in a row. I think the childhood part refers only to the name endings. There are many Asura in the game who don't have two of the same letter in a row in their name, but nearly none without a proper ending. That's why I come to this conclusion. Gnarf 07:30, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

If I may suggest a potential idea, UESP (an Elder Scrolls wiki) does a pretty good job with their names section for each of the unique races; they provide a medium-sized list of names from characters of that species (NPCs, not players, of course). It works very nicely to give a good example of the naming process, without having to become overly detailed with explaining the naming conventions. (the explanation in the article currently is nearly perfect; any longer and I think it would start to drag on a bit.) --User Jioruji Derako logo.png Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 17:46, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
I like that idea. Gnarf 18:39, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
"Those with two-syllable first names, particularly if the second syllable being a -a or -i (Vekka, Vekki) tend to be female – or get teased horribly in Asuran primary studies schools." It's more than just ending with a vowel that causes teasing. Juuuust sayin. @Jioruji: Such a list exists here. Konig/talk 00:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Meh[edit]

I liked the EotN Asura better, with their big mouths filled with sharklike teeth.--Tuomir 10:47, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

The most recent shots of Asurans seen (primarily as NPCs in the playable demos) look pretty cool though, certainly enough for me to consider playing one! - as long as I get a GOLEM at least LOL :) --Nicky Two Thumbs 22:26, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Contradicts charr and asura racial pages.[edit]

The mentions of technology that were in this page stand as a direct and indisputable contradiction to the racial pages of both the asura and the charr on the official Guild Wars 2(.com) site.

On their racial pages, which are the most official sources of information, it claims that the charr are the most technologically advanced and that the asura rely on magic for their inventions - being the most magically advanced. (No mention of technology is made anywhere on the asura page.)

Considering this I made edits to the page and changed 'technology' to 'advancements,' which is not only more fitting for the asura, but also now does not directly contradict official sources. I'd imagine contradicting official sources is bad, so I believe I've done the right thing. But perhaps you want to word it differently.--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:77.107.172.208 (talk).

There was also another direct contradiction in the page which official sources went against. The chharr page says that they were the most advanced artisans since the disappearance of the dwarves, and there's no mention of this on the asura racial page. So saying that the asura are the most advanced since the dwarves is a direct contradiction to both racial pages. Again, I believe I'm doing the right thing by bringing this page in line with official sources, so it doesn't contradict them.
I'll also note that both charr and asura pages on the wiki claimed that their respective races were the most advanced artisans since the dwarves, so they were directly contradicting each other, too.--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:77.107.172.208 (talk).
I know that is contradictory, but the earliest information we had on the asura in gw2 said they were the replacement artisans for the dwarves. So we have references now which support both races in comparison with the dwarves, though the most recent supports the charr. The Movement of the World says "With the sudden absence of the Dwarves, the Asura became the foremost crafters on Tyria, their abilities and skills instantly invaluable." I think the situation is that the charr are now better than the dwarves for their mass production capacity and machinery to create machinery but the asura have superior craftsmanship and their work is less mass produced so might on average be considered to be of higher quality, (I think a dev said something along these lines during charr week, but I'd have to find it) and were highly regarded immediately after the dwarves decline while the charr were still arguing among themselves and hadn't asserted themselves technologically. I don't think the statement is strictly wrong, but it might require clarification. -- aspectacle User Aspectacle.png 23:13, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Asura[edit]

Honestly, it would make life simpler if 'asuran' was used, but as of now, prior to any sort of 'asura week', the language on the official page very consistently uses 'asura'. If there's an official blog post or forum comment that allows for 'asuran', please link it and save future editors some potential trouble :D. As it is now, 'asura' is simultaneously the singular, the plural, and the attributive form for the race. Tears. Redshift 15:18, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

As far as we currently know, asuran is used as a possessive term (e.g., "that's asuran clothing" meaning "that is clothing made by the asura/in asuran style"). Adjective may be asuran as well. I'd like to note that the official page only uses asura in the form of the race itself, not something belonging to the race. The closest we get is "Asura life" "asura gate" and "asura race" - none of which are necessarily possessive. Konig/talk 19:04, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Ah, sorry to be unclear. Specifically, I'm mostly looking to see if the term 'asuran' has been used in official lore or a 'behind the scenes' post elsewhere, really. If it has been, then the revision from 'asuran' to 'asura' is moot and 'unlocks' the term for usage in which I will gladly partake :). That the official page doesn't use it at all seemed to me to be at least a not-insignificant omission.
With regard to possessive/adjective, I'm ...afraid I don't agree. 'Clothing made by the asura/in a style corresponding to the asura' is modifying clothing, which corresponds to the function of the adjective. It is the same as human clothing, or Canadian clothing. A possessive form would simply be denoted by apostrophe-s. The two can't be conflated. Redshift 20:22, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps I'm using the wrong terminology when I mean possessive. I mean in a similar manner as you just using Canadian - clothing made by Canadians/in Canada is "Canadian clothing", likewise, clothing made by asura would be "asuran clothing" ("by Canadians" is such because Canada is a nationality whereas asura is a race; the GW version of Canadian would be "Tyrian/Krytan/Ascalonian" whereas the rl version of asuran would be human ('human' is odd in that it's used in an greater amount of usages compared to other races)). Nonetheless, asuran is used but my examples/terminology may be poor/off; I'll try to find where I saw it used. Konig/talk 21:35, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Ahh, I see. I think we're on the same page, then :). Sorry, grammatical tunnel vision here. It'd be very welcome to find the usage, if you've got a spare moment. Redshift 22:21, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) "Vekk: "This is impressive, even by Asuran standards."" To just name one example. Aqua (T|C) 22:22, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
I give you \o/. Thank you all for bearing with my pedantry. Redshift 22:23, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Pretty much every rl race add the letter "n" after the "a" when relating to possessive and identity forms - excluding a very select handful, such as Chineese and Maltese. So the relative examples would be Samoan, Tongan, African and like it was mentioned before - Canadian. It's for phonetic purposes, and doesn't really have much in relation to examples like human, where the word is spelled the same way regardless of its use. So when people get confused as to why it's "asura gate" instead of "asuran gate", my guess is because ANet is taking the word from the perspective of the race to which it belongs. So the asurans would use the term "asura gate" where another race would say "asuran gate". Overall, it doesn't really matter if we're right or wrong, ANet gets final dibs on the term. --Xu Davella 00:59, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
I don't get what people here are confused about. "Asuran" is an adjective, "Asura" is a noun. To say "Look at that Asuran" is incorrect. To say "Look at that Asura clothing" is incorrect. Asura Gates are called such due to it being their name-- like a Canada Goose. 173.190.32.183 01:49, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Hallo. :) To clarify, the initial confusion came from when I was reading the official biography page and noticed what I felt was a conspicuous lack of a standard 'proper adjective' form, particularly from "Asura life...'. As such, as part of the grammatical editing, I also included what I felt was a correction to adhere to the official language used. This was then explained by the initial edit on this page, in case there were official or canon usages of the adjective form 'asuran' to make life easier. In other words, I was looking for more of ANet's final dibs :). As such official usage has been confirmed in Vekk's dialogue and armor designation in GW1, the point is at rest. In short, this all could've been avoided if I had thought to check the obvious, first. (It was early!) Sorry! :D Redshift 02:42, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Lifespan[edit]

I know it says 5-10% longer than humans, but-"...well, maybe Oola, or one of her students..."-Snaff, pg. 186, Edge of Destiny-souns as though Oola is still alive-250 years later.--User Necro Shea mo signature.jpg Necro Shea Mo 05:04, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

On its own, yes, but when taken in the full context of it being about how no other asura had made a golem like Sandy, it reads a little differently. Oola simply being the biggest name in the field, and in turn, as were her students. If anyone had made quite a genius golem before, it would have been her. -Yossitaru 07:30, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
It was simply a reference to an amazing golemancer of the past, as many asura held and hold Oola in very high regard. - Infinite - talk 14:12, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
Ok. I think Blimm would be a better reference... Still.--166.137.143.79 18:36, 27 August 2011 (UTC) (Necro Shea mo)

LOL[edit]

@the loling asura in the new video.. I really want the game to come out now!!--User Necro Shea mo signature.jpg Necro Shea Mo 20:28, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I half expected the Asuras animation to be like Yoda, perhaps my expectations are a bit high...--Warnlord 23:01, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Can I just say that I thought Rata Sum looked hella awesome! --Nicky Two Thumbs 23:58, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Warnlord-they posted a video w/the animations in it-see the blog. Nevermind, I misunderstood.--User Necro Shea mo signature.jpg Necro Shea Mo 00:50, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
TBH we had already seen a laughing asura during the demos. I'm also pretty sure Rubi mentioned it in Guildcast. -Alarielle- 13:41, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Physical Appearence[edit]

Check the other races and you will see that, at the section "See Also" there is Physical Apearence/Norn or whatsoever. However, that isnt on the asura page! Still, there are a page created about it. We should add it, yes? Lhimez 16:37, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

yep, go ahead and add it. Must have been skipped on accident. --Moto Saxon 16:47, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
As per my edit summary; "asuran appearances" or "asura appearances?" - Infinite - talk 16:50, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure why, but i was under the impression that we always use "asura". --Moto Saxon 17:05, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Well, it's the only race where such question still stands. The appearances of the asura; asura(n) appearances. As per Konig on his edit summary, it would be cool to get this clarified. - Infinite - talk 17:39, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
While I'm sure "asuran" has been used in official text before, I'm unsure if it's ever used consistently. "Asuran appearance" would be adjective, but we have cases even names of objects which use asura in such a case. Konig/talk 17:42, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
We should go by the closest official reference we have; "Writing Asura Dialogue". By that logic one could write "Designing Asura Appearances" and similarly, "Gallery of asura appearances." When documenting, we only need to use "asuran" when talking about actual in-game objects, topics, etc. which are the asura's own (rather than man-made aspects of them, such as design, dialogue and whatnot). So yes, I doubt it will need to be reverted. - Infinite - talk 18:27, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

The Destroyers[edit]

...clearly did a poor job in eradicating the asura pest. Mursaat for Tyria! --Boro User Borotvaltgandalf Sig.jpg 13:51, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

New Video[edit]

Over on YouTube there is a new Gamespot 1 hour 17 minute video that shows the Asura starting through level 25 areas, along with a few new changes since BWE 2. (Like Vistas!)--Enda - talk 02:05, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Religion section is wrong[edit]

In game there is a npc exctaige in lions arch next to the portals were a human asks am Asura were he can give offering to a temple and she says something to the effect of she doesn't know ect but the important part of that dialog is that she says that "The eternal Eternal Alchemy is science"- User Zesbeer sig.png Zesbeer 08:46, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

250 Years Ago[edit]

When were they forced from their homes? We need as accurate of dates as possible listed, not just vague references. Was it 250 years prior to the start of Guild Wars 2? MethodicMockingbird 01:36, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

gw1:Guild Wars Eye of the North - if you want to get technical, 247 years prior to GW2, 250 is just a rounding because eventually it'll be 248 years, 249, 250, 251, etc. years prior to modern GW2. Though there's implications that they (or rather, some) returned to the depths after EN but were forced out again by Primordus' awakening, though that's mere implications. Konig/talk 01:51, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
The Asura appear on the surface of Tyria in 1078 AE, according to the Guild Wars timeline, meaning that the 247 year assumption is accurate. Thanks for pointing this out guys, I'll add the exact year to avoid confusion.
EDIT: Thanks for cleaning that up Konig, I'm awful at this wiki ^.^ ~Queensdale 02:09, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

(Resetting Indent) So in Rata Sum, Statics Expert Kepa (near the P1000 Golem Prototype PoI) mentions something called "The Great Exodus", and her companion says something like "Yes, and wasn't it one of the Statics krewe that first uncovered a Destroyer nest?". This isn't exactly startling news, as we know that Asura were driven to the surface by the Destroyers, but it is interesting as an in-game Asuran name for the event. Thoughts? 69.249.227.39 00:12, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Might be worth making an article for, on par to norn exodus - but my question is if "the" was capitalized too. Konig/talk 06:43, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
This sounds kind of like the naming convention for the battles during the Civil War in the United States. There were different names for the battles depending on which side of the war you were on. 69.182.135.207 00:32, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
More: none of the title of the event is capitalized. It's written as "the great exodus". What's interesting, here, is that it implies that the Asura (and specifically the college of Statics) were the first ones to unearth the Destroyers, and NOT the Dwarves. 69.249.227.39 19:02, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Language[edit]

Why is there no section on the Asura language? Or even a link to the Languages of Tyria page? --Iceblue 09:08, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Lopsided swimmers[edit]

It seems that the character asuran swim lopsided when they have a weapon out. Added a trivia note about this. 69.182.135.207 00:29, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

I believe it's supposed to be like that. I mean how would you swim when holding a weapon that's bigger than you in one hand? Zaiku (talk) 01:49, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Straw Beach Mat[edit]

So, I'm not 100% convinced that this bit of trivia is wholly necessary. I don't wanna get into a revert war here, but I just don't think that this particular meaning has anything but a coincidental tie with the species in the Guild Wars series. Some other translations (from Google Translate, so many of them are probably wrong): Giant (Bengali, Kannada, Tamil), matting (Bosnian, Serbian, Croation), Radio (Greek), Devilish (Gujarati), Demon (Hindi, Marathi), 'From Tomorrow' (Japanese), Prisoners (Persian)... Any thoughts? 64.134.69.20 21:09, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

I was going to remove it myself. The only "this word in another language" trivia I would consider keeping is the Buddhist/Hindu one (what we have now) since that's the most well-known use of the word. Felix Omni Signature.png 21:15, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Rata Novus?[edit]

No mention of Rata Novus in the timeline? --73.165.134.189 16:01, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Most player race articles haven't been updated to include HoT lore. Konig 19:10, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

First contact with Sylvari?[edit]

Shouldn't their first contact with the Sylvari be mentioned? --68.83.160.10 22:37, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

I don't think so, as it doesn't really add anything to asuran's history or culture. - Doodleplex 23:19, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
More relevant to Sylvari page. Konig 23:20, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Asura Trek: First Contact 71.230.199.98 03:13, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Canon size of Asura?[edit]

With a recent edit, the size was edited from "about four feet tall" to "an asura is usually between two feet ten inches and three feet eleven inches tall." Is there any canon information about the true size of Asura? Something which can be measured? With the ability of altering the size of the head during creation, this could be difficult to tell I think. -- Nokomis (talk) 13:54, 21 December 2016 (UTC)