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I created this article based on (what I consider to be very obvious) foreshadowing and hints that she will feature, to some extent at least, in GW2. Whatever case I have to make in that regard is in the article, I leave it open to discussion and the decision of the sysops whether this should stay like the Palawa Joko article or not. --Cjad the Nord 06:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary. As the article says, "how this factors into the current setting and plot for Guild Wars 2 is unknown". She hasn't been mentioned in Movement, which is the core lore article we've had so far, so I doubt we need this just yet. She might be involved somehow in the Guild Wars 2 backstory, but we don't know how yet. As of now, this belongs on GWW until we get some Guild Wars 2 information that's relevant to this wiki. --User Pling sig.png pling | ggggg 15:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't think this article is needed. There's next to nothing on this article which isn't on or couldn't be on gw1:Livia. Furthermore, nothing links here. Konig 20:40, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Nothing links here because the page didn't exist until a few minutes ago, and most redlinks on this wiki are removed until an article is created. And the fact that Livia finds the Scepter of Orr (and is given a title) means that there is development of her story after the end of GW1, which should be documented on this wiki. --Santax (talk · contribs) 20:46, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Just because the airship is called "Lady Livia" doesn't mean she was herself given the title, that's a common form of attribution within aircraft/etc. names. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 20:52, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Gah, had a full response but got ec'd and didn't notice... Anyways, to give the short version: currently there's nothing in GW2 even mentioning the Scepter of Orr and Salvage of "Lady Livia" can just get a trivia note to GWW's article. All mentions of Livia otherwise can receive a GWW since Livia only has 1 action of prominence post-EN, which is already documented on her GWW iirc (the fact she becomes Blimm's assistant). If Livia does grow a lot more prominence, then we can just restore and improve this article like we did with The Underworld - otherwise, as it stands, it makes as much sense as making an article for Prince Rurik, truth be told. Which is not much. Konig 20:55, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Ree Soesbee's quote is more relevant now that Sea of Sorrows has been released. I won't spoil anything, but it looks like the continuity staff found a use for the scene with Livia and the Scepter. She may yet pop up again. 01:57, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

4/10 edit[edit]

Livia is directly addressed as Exemplar by one of her subordinates in Sea of Sorrows, the phrase "Salmaic dynasty" is explicitly used in Sea of Sorrows (when Livia is talking to Marriner and the others in the brig, iirc), Zinn was, according to this flavour text, a soul researcher, and the fact that the seer is marked as dead on the minimap, is not able to be interacted with, and, well, looks like this would suggest that the seer is, in fact, dead (and we should assume so unless presented with evidence to the contrary). --Santax (talk · contribs) 12:59, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

That only goes to show that Livia isn't the Master Exemplar, given that Exemplar itself is a Shining Blade rank. Must have forgotten "Salmaic dynasty" then, out of town so couldn't double check SoS. I find someone having research into souls different than being called a "soul researcher" - the former only indicates they did some research into the matter while the latter implies that being one's primary devotion. I'd call Oola a soul research long before calling Zinn such, as all we have on Zinn doing such is the Data Crystal showing he had some research on the subject - either way, at the time in which Zinn was contracted by the Shining Blade, he was a golemancer not specializing into soul research.
I do not recall the seer being "marked dead on the minimap" - can you provide evidence of this? And that image only really shows that it was laying down. It may suggest it is dead, but it does not prove it. And no, we should not assume - neither that it was living, nor that it was dead. Such assumptions had led to long standing misconceptions - like folks believing that Drakkar was Jormag for years, or that the gw1:Enchanted armors were related to Mursaat due to similar appearances. Assuming is the last thing we should ever do. Konig 14:51, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Anise is called "an exemplar of the Shining Blade" in Edge of Destiny, does that mean she isn't the Master Exemplar? Livia, like Anise, works as the queen's personal bodyguard and is treated with extreme deference. She has exactly the same role as Anise, and last we heard of before that, was the actual leader of the Shining Blade, so why do you need a character standing around to explain that this is still the case? Researching souls is exactly what makes one a soul researcher, although that's just semantics - it was just responding to this edit summary, really, every single part of which later turned out to be wrong. Wouldn't it be better to just ask where I got stuff from, rather than assuming I'm an idiot?
And no, I can't provide evidence that the Seer was marked dead on the minimap - I'm not about to reinstall GW1 just to prove a point. Regardless, you say that we shouldn't assume one way or the other, but the way the article currently reads ("...seemingly extracted from a seer, the living state of which was unknown"), as well as making zero syntactic sense, implicitly suggests that the Seer was alive. --Santax (talk · contribs) 20:20, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
On Livia - however, unlike Anise, Livia is not once called a Master Exemplar (also, cannot check my books now sadly, but if your quoting word for word then the lowercase state shows that it's not the ranking itself, but job/role - go go complex rules of English!).
And, "every single part"? Sorry but half is not "every single part." ;)
On the seer point - you cannot provide evidence of it being dead because such does not exist; it was not there as an NPC but as ambient decoration models. Besides this, dead NPCs weren't marked on GW1's minimap (except team members). Also, the line is worded to suggest that it is unknown whether it was alive or dead hence the usage of the word "unknown". If you interpret otherwise, feel free to reword it - but it was actually a strong case of discussion when WiK came out on whether or not the seer was dead or living. Konig 21:15, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Wow Sexy!

dude she has some nice ass boobs, nice and medium and juicy, i wish i could have sex with her. Justice (talk) 13:20, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Just so you know, the user agreement states that you need to be 13 or over to play GW2. --Idris (talk) 13:52, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
Just so you know, this level of savagery is too much for this subreddit. Oh sorry I thought I was on Reddit for a second there. --Teletric.3821 (talk) 12:33, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
This is a wildly inappropriate comment, but I feel that OP has been sufficiently rekt so I will let it stand. - Felix Omni 17:56, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
It's not reddit without a little mod abuse.--Rain Spell (talk) 19:14, 16 November 2017 (UTC) was hoping someone would remember that anonymous comment from gw1 wiki. Justice (talk) 14:18, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Her age[edit]

The article suggests she was born in 1064. Eye of the North happened in 1078. So... Livia was a 14 year old girl when she was recruited in Eye of the North? That doesn't sound right. 22:53, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, definitely seems wrong. ""Master Exemplar Livia stepped down and retreated into seclusion in the Shining Blade headquarters. She lived out her life there and was reported to have died in 1157, at 93."" But that would be the right math from that statement. Either the statement was falsified in lore cuz of Livia's longevity, or Anet flubbed up. Konig (talk) 01:17, 16 October 2018 (UTC)