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I see you've been doing a bit of work on chef crafting pages. If you like, you can use this Excel spreadsheet] where I've already pre-computed the template code for every recipe (using data from the official API) so you can just copy/paste the template. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 03:11, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing this with me. I've been working on cleaning up pages from multiple crafting disciplines. In that vein, how does this spreadsheet handle crafted items that come in more than one rarity? For instance, "Mighty Chain Coat (Simple)", Mighty Chain Coat, and "Mighty Chain Coat (Master)"? I looked through the sheet and wasn't able to figure it out. Psycho Robot (talk) 17:05, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
You can tell the difference by the recipe's required rating, column F on the "recipe" worksheet. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 18:36, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

relevant discussion[edit]

Guild Wars 2 Wiki talk:General formatting#Recipe section names Since it directly affects what you're working on. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 23:03, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

so I maybe went a little crazy today...[edit]

...and posted every single craftable trinket to the wiki. I was only going to do components, but when I got to the platinum and mithril tiers of jewelry, they were full of combined pages (fine/master/rare versions all on the same page) that were screwing up the recipe lists. I was determined to make the lists look sane, which meant splitting all those pages, so I figured I'd just fix ALL the trinkets!

So yeah, those 3 equipment types are done. And I finished the component type too. All that's left are weapons and armor. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 03:27, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Preview Play Day: 27 September 2013[edit]

There is a Preview Play Day this week, at 9 AM PST on Friday, and we need a representative on fairly short notice (by tomorrow, Wednesday). Also note that we are going to be trying a new approach to documenting the previews- read this for details. If you are available at that time and interested in trying out the new journalistic approach, please go say something over on the talk page ASAP. Thanks! Felix Omni Signature.png 16:24, 24 September 2013 (UTC)


Hi Psycho, I came across the Seasatchel in someone's data mined weapons gallery early during launch. Unfortunately I have no further info. User Shimpchip Rodgort's Invocation.jpg Shimpchip talk 18:14, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Divinity Council[s] ___[edit]

Is the api wrong this time? or is there another item with the name "Divinity Councils __"? -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 23:40, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

I would say yes. There is no other item with that name, so I assume its a typo in the api or something. I double triple checked in light of this and all versions of the item in the dungeon vendor shop are indeed spelled without the "s". Psycho Robot (talk) 23:44, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
That's the old version that used to have a Magic Find stat - notice that the "attributes":[] list is empty. It's no longer available in-game, but anyone who had one prior to the MF update still has it. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 00:37, 11 December 2013 (UTC)


Don't call other users dinguses (dingi?). Felix Omni Signature.png 21:55, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Dinguses. And I agree with you, because I highly doubt Mr. Robot has forgotten my name. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 21:59, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Shut up you dinguses. Psycho Robot (talk) 22:04, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
So the other day my buddy and I were in my car in a parking lot and some guy pulled up super close and tried to open his door, and I turned to my buddy and said "Gee, I sure he doesn't... ding us." Felix Omni Signature.png 22:19, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
This one time, when I was leaving work, I get to my car and find this huge SUV parked reeeeeally close next to me. Like, less than a foot between them. And it was on my driver's side - I couldn't get in! I tried crawling over from the passenger side, but it's a Miata - not enough room for the necessary contortions. So I had to put the stick in neutral and PUSH my car out of the parking space so I could get in!
But you wanna know the really crazy thing? It was THEIR driver's side facing mine! SO HOW THE HELL DID THEY GET OUT OF THEIR SUV??? —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 22:32, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
This one time I was in a parking garage underneath the Columbus Courthouse, and I dunno if you're familiar with it but its like the size of a football field and completely underground. It looks like it was tailor made for drug deals, if it weren't for all the police cars parked there, because its the courthouse. Anyways, I was walking to my car after my arraignment and this black bulletproof SUV came speeding down the aisle and parked right next to me. Like they were going recklessly fast for a parking garage, but they didn't hit anything and parked perfectly straight. They must have been like racecar drivers or something, except that they parked way too close to me! There was less than ℓP between us I swear. Then the door opened and a skeleton popped out. Psycho Robot (talk) 22:43, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Material Promotion Bounds[edit]

I noticed you've been changing lower/upper promotion outputs from 5-12 to 3-10, respectively. I made an attempt at scanning the patchnotes for a confirmation on that change with no avail. Do you have an official source or proof confirming these changes? —Yesod

Its not exactly official, mind you, but there's a detailed spreadsheet by a player named Egg Baron and he did a lot of research into material promotion and he compiled it in a spreadsheet for tracking the profitability of promoting materials, with the intent of using it as a method of converting skill points to gold. He uploaded the spreadsheet here and in it he specifies the range of t6 mats as 3 to 10. I'm not 100% certain that it is accurate, but I felt that it was reliable. Psycho Robot (talk) 20:52, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
The user may have been normalizing the values to facilitate analysis. As of today, the upper-bound has not been capped at 10[1], which raises reasonable doubt that the lower-bound has not been reduced to 3. I have reverted the bound changes on all T6 materials for you, and such should remain so until /conclusive/ sources surface. Thanks for your work.--Yesod (talk) 21:15, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Great job[edit]

Just wanted to say thanks for all those screenshots! :) poke | talk 23:36, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Shut up. I hate you. Psycho Robot (talk) 23:37, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
:( poke | talk 00:17, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
:()--Relyk ~ talk < 00:52, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
damn file move freaks. gets me every time. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 01:08, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
GET OFF MY LAWN YOU STINKING KIDS Psycho Robot (talk) 01:21, 20 December 2013 (UTC)


Hi, you must be new here, because I had to post this message on your talk page about image licensing.

User Chieftain Alex correct image tagging.png


When uploading images from scratch, could you please select the "screenshot" option from the licensing drop down menu beneath the image upload form. Ta. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 01:20, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Don't make me slap you. Psycho Robot (talk) 01:44, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
something else, when you've changed which file you want displayed, and you want to delete the original file that is of the form "{{PAGENAME}}.jpg, rather than typing "gallery = newfile.jpg" it should be "gallery1 = newfile.jpg" (otherwise original image is still linked) - these are different parameter formats. just noticed this while deleting -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 10:10, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

User:Psycho Robot/Sandbox[edit]

shall I debug your inventory table? -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:38, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm a bit disconcerted that you've posted on my talk page without a heavy dose of sarcasm, as i am accustomed to. Still, go ahead. There's one other problem I have that's not obvious. I need to have the subobject definitions switch between being defined by the row template for the table and the infobox, depending if the column is turned off or not. I'm pretty sure it has to be {#ifeq: #var:<column> | true | get info from row template parameters | get info from infobox variables} but I'm not 100% sure if that will work. Psycho Robot (talk) 19:46, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
bluntly, if there isn't a column header, nobody is going to fill in any parameters, so you can let them default to existing variables ({{{parameter input|{{#var:variable fallback}}}}}). which parameters are you concerned about? -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 12:51, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
My only concern was that subobjects wouldn't be fully defined if, for instance, they all had the same level or the same rarity, such that it was defined in the infobox, but not in the template itself. I will try do as you suggested and see if it blows anything up. Psycho Robot (talk) 19:06, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
the infobox and the row template both use item stat lookup, so it'll provide the same variables whether you fill it in in the row or not (gotta have variables as fallback as described above though) -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:11, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Ok thanks. I did encounter an issue however. I wasn't able to find out where "level" was defined as a variable for later use, so I attempted to call it into the template with {{#show:{{PAGENAME}}| ?Has level requirement}}, however it didn't work. What I did was, on Tamini Axe, take the level out of the table and put it in the infobox. At that point, the stat lookup failed. Just that code by itself produces the level requirement as I would expect, but doesn't seem to work in the template. Did I just overlook something? Is level requirement a variable I can call and I just didn't see where it was defined? Psycho Robot (talk) 00:39, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
overlooked as in totally didn't do as I suggested :P (also useful for previewing changes: {{[[User:Chieftain Alex/Templates/Item stat lookup debug]]}} - put it above and below your tables. the stuff above is from the infobox, and below is after its been mangled by the row template) -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 08:45, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
I tried to do as you said, honest I did! I just didn't know what the variables were called. I tried looking in the code at default item parameter to see where there was a {{#vardefine:level|{{{level|}}} or something, but all I saw was it being set as an smw property. So the variables you have listed there are all the ones that I will need to use? Out of curiosity and maybe not making such an ass of myself in the future, where/how are they defined? Psycho Robot (talk) 18:45, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
All #var variables are global - once set, no matter in a template or directly in the page, they remain available for the rest of the current page. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 20:45, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

(Reset indent) yep very interested. pity variables can't be substed huh.-Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 20:03, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Some guy said he could get it to work with safesubst, but I couldn't. Since you're nosing around, mind giving some input here? I figure its good to get other opinions before I put one or the other on 300ish pages. Psycho Robot (talk) 20:34, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Woodmans Axe[edit]

I'm looking at this edit in particular. You seem to be suggesting that the prefix is different, which isn't usually right for fine-masterwork karma items. Could you possibly check this? -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 09:51, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Why don't you call me a liar to my face like a man, you pathetic wretch? I eat cockroaches like you for breakfast! Anyways I double checked and its accurate. Psycho Robot (talk) 17:33, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


you'd have to add

/** additional scripts **/
// Chat link search
if (wgPageName == 'Special:Search') {
    addScript('User:Psycho Robot/ChatLinkSearch.js‎');

/**** function addScript.js
 * by Patrick Westerhoff [poke]
function addScript ( pagename )
  var script  = document.createElement( 'script' );
  pagename    = encodeURI( pagename.replace( ' ', '_' ) );
  script.src  = '/index.php?title=' + pagename + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript';
  script.type = 'text/javascript';
  document.getElementsByTagName( 'head' )[0].appendChild( script );


to call your Special:Mypage/common.js... it doesn't call itself now does it. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 21:31, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

I paste the code you provided at common.js? Psycho Robot (talk) 21:38, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
yeah, on the page I linked to, i.e. User:Psycho Robot/common.js. (this will undoubtably result in two id search boxes on that page ofc :p) -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 21:43, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
It did not work. Perhaps it was not meant to be. Psycho Robot (talk) 21:46, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
the following triggered the search twice for me. evidently that isn't helpful for me ;D
/** additional scripts **/
// Chat link search
if (wgPageName == 'Special:Search') {
Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 22:07, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
I done tried it, and it still didn't work. I tried importing the mediawiki version and that worked fine, it just fails as soon as I attempt to load the one from my subpage. Do you know why that might be? Psycho Robot (talk) 23:37, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Proper etiquette[edit]

Thanks for the tip. I'm new at this wiki thing, so somewhere in the process of learning everything, I guess forgot how to label (I had read the help topics). Out of curiosity, how exactly do you rename an uploaded image? Balefire (talk) 02:48, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

On the file page, use the 'Move' tab to go to a special page for moving articles. Enter the new name for the file, leave a summary if you want, and hit the Move button. After it's moved, the original file page will be change to a redirect page; tag the original page for deletion.--Relyk ~ talk < 03:04, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


I just now saw the revert you did on my user page. I have no idea what that person was doing, but it was not cool. Good looking out. Teknomancer (talk) 16:33, 30 January 2014 (UTC)


It's dead. Look at the page history to see how many times we've already tried to fix it. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 19:10, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

But I'm special. Psycho Robot (talk) 19:10, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
In all seriousness, have you tried blanking it, deleting it, undeleting it, then unblanking it? It's just crazy enough to work. Psycho Robot (talk) 19:14, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Wouldn't make any difference - there's no way to fix it short of manually editing the SMW tables in the database. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 19:27, 5 February 2014 (UTC)


Guild Wars 2 Wiki talk:General formatting is calling your name, don't leave me hanging buddy.--Relyk ~ talk < 11:27, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

I will find you.--Relyk ~ talk < 11:28, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


That Consortium Representative kept repositioning herself. It was so frustrating. I TRIED OKAY. *sobs* You should really upload more picth0rz though, you're good at that. No, I was not paid to say this. Make it 350$. --Ventriloquist (talk) 20:29, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

nice pale giraffe picture you have there guys. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 20:54, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Take it up with anet, bitch just looks like that Psycho Robot (talk) 20:56, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Ugh, she better burn in the next patch. --Ventriloquist (talk) 20:57, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

for blanking the page before moving it,[edit]

I hereby award you this almost ugly barnstar.

Lionscout Medal.png Medal for blanking page before moving to avoid upsetting SMW. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png

making yourself the second person on the wiki to receive one. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 23:01, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

oops. better forget that, I read the history wrongly, and you moved it, blanked it, then reverted. oh well better luck next time, gotta catch em all etc.. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 23:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
I did in fact blank before the move. And its not the first time I've done it! But as you probably noticed I like to prepare a whole batch of edits, then save them all at once. I don't know why. In any case, sometimes this results in them coming up in RC out of order. Perhaps the move log takes longer to update or something. In any case, shove your barn star up your ass you limey british bastard. That's how an american accepts an award. Bite me. Psycho Robot (talk) 02:06, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
If you're like me, you open a tab for each page and then can cycle through with ctrl tab to do repeat operations.--Relyk ~ talk < 02:51, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
That's what I do! What, you think you're king of tabs? Lord of... tabs? Someone better knock you down a peg. Psycho Robot (talk) 02:53, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
No, if I have more than 4-5 tabs, I get annoyed. I can't keep 15-20 tabs open like some others.--Relyk ~ talk < 03:09, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
80 tabs wasn't uncommon when I was manually tagging screenshots.
and good on the sequence thing. One intermediate revision by 0 users not shown is a very strange message which is probably due to what you say. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 08:32, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Only 80? Pfah! I've had 200 open when fixing categories on GWW cuz no one would set bots up after months. Konig 14:48, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
No one's impressed that you're too dumb to use AWB! Psycho Robot (talk) 17:52, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Deleted redirect. Also, this badge is definitely legit now. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 23:24, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes I still like that. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 10:32, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
User Ilr NPC karma Qualdup.png Psycho Robot loves quaggans.

-Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 21:03, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

You think you're so fucking funny. Psycho Robot (talk) 21:23, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
it totally cracks me up every time I see you comment on bloody quaggans in edit summaries ;) -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 21:51, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

You don't know who Stumm is... but I (kinda) do![edit]

Stumm is an Order of Whispers asura ("Creator Stumm" being how Slayer Feldera refers to him). And iirc, during the event chain revolving around Help Iduna destroy the Omicron golem factory, you can even hear his voice through the golem. Or was it the Help Venpa finish the Ettin Proof Suit Mark II chain?
On a side, a lot of items you can find just north of the Priory - the ones stolen by grawl - are shipped from Creator Stumm. Konig 04:39, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

It is late and I am weary but tomorrow I will find out everything there is to know about Mr. Stumm, just you wait. Psycho Robot (talk) 04:45, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Hey, ˈdiNGgəs[edit]

Are you getting any closer to uncovering our friend Stumm? I can't sleep at night. --Ventriloquist (talk) 20:57, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

You sure live up to your name.[edit]

You're a Silver Edge 2.0, I swear. Thanks for all the work you're doing. Konig 04:55, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah I'm some seriously hot shit. Psycho Robot (talk) 16:50, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Didn't think I'd ever see someone call themselves a pile of steaming shit. Konig 22:19, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Stolen Lauch Codes[edit]

anet cannot spell for shit.--Relyk ~ talk < 00:17, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

I care about bundles.--Relyk ~ talk < 23:09, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Shut your damn mouth you dirty liar. I'm sure you've worked planks and metal bars into your combat technique. Psycho Robot (talk) 23:10, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I think she said something about a duck?[edit]

Great work updating all the various skin-related articles just in time for the massive changes introduced by the Wardrobe. Thanks for all the work you've been doing. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:40, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Did she say she weighed as much as a duck? Then we must get the torch. Konig 01:13, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
No, no, she said she ducked a weight.--Relyk ~ talk < 01:50, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Sounds like a quack. Konig 02:08, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Nearly all duck sex is rape. In fact female duck genitals twist the opposite direction of the male duck genitals in order to make their raping as difficult as possible. So when you talk about ducks, all I hear is "I think rape is hysterical." This is in very poor taste, and I'm disappointed in you two, to say the least. Psycho Robot (talk) 02:11, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
BEHOLD how the evil spirit of the duck speaks through him. He is indeed a witch. Vili 点 User talk:Vili 03:08, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Fix yo mess[edit]

[1] --Ventriloquist (talk) 07:57, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

What do you see? I don't see anything out of the ordinary. Psycho Robot (talk) 16:49, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Of course it fixes in time to make me look crazy. It's a conspiracy I tell ya. But anyway, the trebuchet weight accessory had its icon appearing as Trebuchet Counterweight.png (and as a red link), stretching the offered items section and red-linking that whole mess. But it's fine now. --Ventriloquist (talk) 18:41, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Sure, sure. That's crzy talk and anyone who claims to have seen something like that is insane and should be lobotomized. Psycho Robot (talk) 18:43, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Quaggan sad.jpg--Ventriloquist (talk) 18:46, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
I admit i saw the problem you described Ventriloquist, and I purged the page cache, and everything fixed itself. Its to do with using the id parameter on vendor table row, idk why, it just sometimes happens immediately after the edit. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:04, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
I did the same thing so I was a bit skeptic when a 12 hour edit was still the same after doing that. Psycho probably blames the quaggans or something. --Ventriloquist (talk) 19:08, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
of course I don't; quaggans are incapable of doing anything at all, destructive or otherwise. Psycho Robot (talk) 19:10, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Purged the page cache + null edited on the accessory page. Then did the same on the table. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:30, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Thing is, I always check it, and do the null edit thing. so at some point, you two were seeing something that I didn't see. And if that's the case, how many other people are seeing broken pages that we don't see? Psycho Robot (talk) 19:34, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, I often used to see broken icons on various pages, especially the ones that recently had their icons uploaded but they always fixed themselves. I hope the problem isn't as large as that, it makes the wiki editors look incompetent and the wiki unfinished. --Ventriloquist (talk) 19:37, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

about those unique karma skins...[edit]

How are you determining that? I'm using gw2db to double-check your results, and they're mostly accurate. However, there are a few things:

TTFN! —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 14:59, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, perhaps I should disregard gw2db and use guildhead instead. They show:
  • Both Quetzal Harpoons have the same skin, which is shared with the Aethervolt Spear. [7]
  • Invaders Harpoon does share the karma spear skin.
  • All versions of the 3 legion shields use the unique skins.
  • Hylek Crab Skewer uses the basic spear skin.
Yeah, screw gw2db, I never really liked them anyway. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 15:05, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
What have I always said about GW2DB? They're a bunch of shiftless lazy cowards who couldn't pour shit out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel. Anyways I corrected where I was wrong (aethervolt spear does indeed have qpoon's skin) and checked the invaders weapons. Yes its true that invaders harpoon does share its skin with the karma spear, but its obvious that its a mistake. Everye other weapon shares its skin with bandit weapons, and there is a bandit harpoon, which the invader's harpoon should use. So if you were thinking of moving karma spear.jpg to invader's harpoon.jpg, I disagree with that. Still, we should have a page for that skin, shouldn't we? What would we call it? Psycho Robot (talk) 15:54, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Wait and see what the wardrobe calls it. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 16:31, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Why do you always want to know what the wardrobe thinks? Why don't you ever want to know what I think? Psycho Robot (talk) 16:44, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Because the wardrobe has an inside line to the developers at ArenaNet, while you, frankly, couldn't find the inside line on a NASCAR track. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 17:35, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Tactician Deathstrider[edit]

Just making sure you didn't forget about her. RIGHT? --Ventriloquist (talk) 23:26, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Nah nah nah I remember her. I'm just prioritizing other merchants because the armor is what's most interesting to players and her armor is already well documented/known. Psycho Robot (talk) 00:02, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Between the lines.[edit]

I think she's referring to the fact that Orr's so heavily corrupted and infected with Risen, that they often lose a lot of their own, including dolyaks etc. So when she says that she has more harnesses than dolyaks, it means that there's a bunch of harnesses with no dolyaks to put it on, SINCE THEY DIED. I think. --Ventriloquist (talk) 22:11, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Well that's stupid. Why didn't he just say that? Psycho Robot (talk) 22:13, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Some things are better left unsaid. Also, ANet wanted to take the opportunity to use the "read between the lines"...line. --Ventriloquist (talk) 22:18, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
the big fuckers need chains and whips. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 22:26, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
How did this conversation wind up being about my sex life? Psycho Robot (talk) 23:06, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
It's time we... *deep breath* Talked about your...unhealthy habits. You might want to sit down for this. --Ventriloquist (talk) 23:17, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm already all strapped in though. It'll take a lot of work to out of here. How about you just say it while I'm hanging here? It's almost like I'm sitting. Psycho Robot (talk) 23:41, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

nice article bro[edit]

it should have listed every merchant with a map of their location and details of every weapon set. I am disappoint.--Relyk ~ talk < 05:07, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Who says it doesn't? Look more closelier. I wish you didn't have the reading comprehension of a three year old. Also I should point out that I'm not 100% sure what "article" you're talking about. Psycho Robot (talk) 05:12, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
you know the one.--Relyk ~ talk < 05:31, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, you could mean the updated karma armor articles, but then what the hell are you talking about weapons for? Or you could be talking about my reddit post, but then why the hell did you call it an 'article'? You see my conundrum? You're about as clear as mud. And not that fancy clear mud that you get in the tropics. I'm talking totally opaque, scummy, toxic city mud. What would your father say? Psycho Robot (talk) 05:36, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
My father would take the fancy clear mud and shove it up your ass while whispering in your ear, "City mud may not be clear, but at least you don't shit out the posts."--Relyk ~ talk < 05:39, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Dulfy just stole your thunder, how will you respond?--Relyk ~ talk < 21:55, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Fight to the death, obviously. Money's on Dulfy. --Ventriloquist (talk) 22:08, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
You guys disappoint me. This isn't a competition! It's the dissemination of information to help players get the most out of this game. Dulfy and I are not combatants, just two people who have different means of achieving the same goal. The only victors are the players, and the only losers are people who let petty grievances and rivalries interfere with their lives. That said, if anything, I stole Dulfy's thunder. Because of me her post was just a repeat of my post with some obvious "buy loot armor on the tp! cultural armor comes from vendors!" advice. You see? I'm totally crushing her. I'm the hottest shit there ever was! I'm the king of this update! I win! And I'm not even done yet!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA! Psycho Robot (talk) 02:03, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
I'll call the authorities, someone restrain him. --Ventriloquist (talk) 09:51, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Skins Galore[edit]

Thanks for your psychotic bot-like work in presenting skins in a comprehensive way. I saw your recent Reddit post, but even before that, I saw how much prep work you had done before the official announcement of the wardrobe. I've recommended to my guild to use the wiki to figure out where to go (it's now easier to navigate for individual skins than most or all other sites and I expect that will be true for the summary pages before long). Good stuff; it's much appreciated. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 14:58, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm very curious why you chose to link Magister Izzmek. Psycho Robot (talk) 02:03, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
It's not (yet) documented in the wiki, but after successful completion of Escort Magister Izzmek to the site of the second signal beacon, he has a dialogue with the Pact leader that takes for his battle-worn team and makes the final push to the Temple of Melandru. She says something like, "time to take a well-deserved rest" and he says, "much appreciated." – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 02:36, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Oh, so you're pointing out where I've failed and left things undocumented. You schmuck. Psycho Robot (talk) 02:37, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Skins Galore redux[edit]

I know you've spent the past months all down-n-dirty in the game compiling your lists of armor skins and whatnot. Well, today the API was updated with skin information! So I'll be able to assist you, in a couple hours, by generating lists of all items that use each skin.

Please note that this does not replace the work you've done! Items purchased from karma vendors (and some non-karma vendors as well) tend not to "discover" themselves properly to the API, so essentially my database will only have information on loot, gemstore, and a couple other non-karma sources. And with our powers combined, we can summon Captain Tyria! Or we can just leave him in his underwater ice cave to rot, whatever you feel like. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 19:05, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't want that hippy anywhere near my Escalade. Psycho Robot (talk) 19:07, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Alright, I got all the data loaded. Now I need to know what format is easiest for you to digest - I was thinking of a Google spreadsheet, one tab listing all 2994 skins, then 41 more tabs to list out all items in each of the 19 weapon types, 21 armor type/weight combinations, and back items. I wouldn't include all API data, of course, only what's relevant to you and this project. I'm thinking (item type/subtype omitted since they're already used as the worksheet identifiers):
  • Item ID
  • Item name
  • Item level
  • Item rarity
  • Some boolean flags - game types PvE/PvP, account/soul bound, etc.
  • Icon file ID
  • Default skin
You can see the full field list in the MySQL create table statement, let me know if there's anything else you'd want. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 21:33, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Ishmael took a bat to someone's knees to get them to release it too.--Relyk ~ talk < 22:03, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
If you're looking to make it the easiest possible way to use, then an excel worksheet is the way to go. I can easily transform the worksheet into a copypasta template for whatever purposes I need, like an item variant table row or an infobox. Are you able to record the default upgrade item? Psycho Robot (talk) 23:21, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes. The API gives the upgrade component if it's there.--Relyk ~ talk < 23:34, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Yep, that's suffix_item_id in the table. I can easily perform a lookup and replace it with the suffix_item_name. And you want Excel? Fine, you get Excel.
On second thought, I think I'll go ahead and dump all the item data, just in case. You can hide/delete the fields you don't need. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 00:28, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Here's yer Excel file. Don't blame me if you contract any STDs from it. >.> —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 03:19, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Crawled new items on the API this morning, added them as a separate workseet since I don't know what (if anything) you've done with it yet. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 13:34, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Hey, are you even using this? I just added another sheet of new items. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 21:34, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm going to use it as soon as I move armor pages around in order to quickly create tables for the variants dropped as loot, and to double check that I haven't missed any. INSECURE MUCH? Psycho Robot (talk) 21:37, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
You haven't responded to me (here) in four whole days! What am I supposed to think?! You're probably off murdering quaggans with Relyk when you should be paying attention to ME!!!!! (okay, count that... 4, 5, good) —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 21:50, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Okay, let me know when you're ready for this data dump, and I'll make a new one, instead of continuing to maintain this one (I think I've already missed something anyway, had to rebuild my data tables due to new parameters I found in the API). —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 13:56, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
So I decided to take a look and see if there were any duplicate skin names (besides the all-weights helm/shoulders/gloves skins). As expected, there are. All of them armor skins.
ID Name Weight Subtype Items Icon
724 Flame Legion Helm Heavy Helm 2 61541
735 Flame Legion Helm Medium Helm 2 61589
748 Inquest Leggings Light Leggings 2 61500
744 Inquest Leggings Medium Leggings 2 61596
145 Student Circlet Light Leggings 20 61116
171 Student Circlet Light Helm 19 61409
1407 Vigil's Honor Gloves Medium Gloves 1 61330
1404 Vigil's Honor Gloves Light Gloves 1 61324
1408 Vigil's Honor Leggings Medium Leggings 1 61332
1401 Vigil's Honor Leggings Light Leggings 1 61326
1420 Whisper's Secret Gloves Light Gloves 1 61336
1423 Whisper's Secret Gloves Medium Gloves 1 61341
1425 Whisper's Secret Leggings Medium Leggings 1 61343
1418 Whisper's Secret Leggings Light Leggings 1 61337
2001 Wurmslayer's Pauldrons Heavy Shoulders 1 711896
1998 Wurmslayer's Pauldrons Light Shoulders 1 711897
1997 Wurmslayer's Warfists Heavy Gloves 1 711893
2000 Wurmslayer's Warfists Medium Gloves 1 711895
Most of them are different weights of the same superset, so this is an FYI for disambiguating the pages if you haven't already noticed them.
But there's one that's a bit more interesting: #145, Student Circlet, Light... Leggings??? I'm assuming this is a typo and posted on the forums about it, so I hope they'll fix it soon. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 14:26, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
A typographical error? That doesn't sound like the Anet I know. Psycho Robot (talk) 18:36, 22 April 2014 (UTC)


I found an item named after you. --Ventriloquist (talk) 20:33, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

In the meantime...[edit]

Debates about naming and procedures aside, you now have RightsSet0107. Note that this may be savagely ripped away from you if for some strange reason it is decided that RightsSet0107 is anathema. Or if for some even stranger reason you abuse it. Good luck. - Tanetris (talk) 20:25, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I solemnly swear to uncheck create redirect every single time I move a page, regardless of whether or not a redirect would be useful. I am going to create sooo many redlinks. Psycho Robot (talk) 20:34, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
I similarly solemnly swear to not intervene when Poke murders you. - Tanetris (talk) 20:38, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
I already hate you… poke | talk 21:30, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Congratulations. :) -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 10:01, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, this mutually convenient perfunctory gesture is cause for great celebration. Raise your glasses high in celebration of me not leaving messes for you everywhere! Psycho Robot (talk) 18:36, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

WvW armor images[edit]

Although you'd tagged a few files for deletion with "corrupted file, can't be moved, reuploaded", I don't think that you've actually reuploaded them all. (they were .bmp images I'm sure that you saw) therefore I've uploaded 3 of them to:

[[File:Wizard's armor human male front.jpg|x200px]][[File:Wizard's armor human male back.jpg|x200px]][[File:Wizard's armor human male left.jpg|x200px]]

I've no idea what they're supposed to be called (previously files were named "File:InvaderLightHumanMaleBadges<direction>.jpg"). If you could fix the names on these if necessary that'd be great thanks. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 10:20, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

You fool! I'm incapable of making a mistake! I have them saved on my computer and ready to upload in the proper locations! I just got tired and went to bed. You stole my thunder, boy! Psycho Robot (talk) 17:32, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Looks like Diviner armor. I'll delete these 3 in the morning. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 23:11, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

shoes = shoulders?[edit]

Was spot-checking AWB Alex's edits just now, and you might want to double-check some of your subst'ing. Specifically, Dry Bones Shoes Skin says 'shoulders' instead of 'boots'. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 15:18, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

It's for standing on the shoulders of giants. — snogratUser Snograt signature.png 15:39, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
god damn I'm not even using AWB for these >< really should have spotted those. -AWB Alex 15:49, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Oh god I just looked and I've been confusing s(houlders) for s(hoes) this entire time! Why didn't anyone tell me?! Oh wait that was the only one. Psycho Robot (talk) 17:32, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm sure that you noticed, but I updated the allowed values of Property:Has skin type (armor values are now: Helm, Aquatic helm, Shoulders, Coat, Gloves, Leggings, Boots) to match Property:Has armor type. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 18:06, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


-Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 21:15, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

You're terrible at this. Get on my level scrub. I just figured out the disambiguation feature for AWB. Is p cool. And last night I did babby's first regex to add set names to ascended armor pages. What can you do? NOTHING USEFUL, THAT'S FOR SURE. Psycho Robot (talk) 21:17, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Still, snooping at your edits, I'm struck with a question that I hadn't considered before. Should armor pieces like named armor link to the parent armor set (seer/sneakthief/scallywag) or to the subset (jatoro's armor, yakkington's armor, etc.)? Same with Bloodsaw Leather Work Mask and them. On the one hand, if players are skin hunting, it's more useful to be linked to the parent set page, but on the other, its more encyclopedic to go to the subset page, then to the parent set page. HMMMMMMM WHAT DO YOU THINK. Psycho Robot (talk) 21:21, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
bleh much more fun to do half arsed subst stuff. Should we get you a bot account with a bot flag if you're using AWB anyway?
dunno I imagine eventually each armor infobox piece is going to link to the skin with a skin parameter, e.g. Mad King's Crown (light) -> | skin = Seer's Mask. As to the set, I spotted you putting Illustrious (light) somewhere, Mad King's armor (light) was just copying what you were doing. I don't care really, it could go to "Mad King's armor" instead. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 21:28, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
The only reason I'm doing (light) is because all 3 weights are called the same thing (illustrious armor). In the case of mad king's armor, the choices would be set=Mad King's armor (light) or set=Seer armor. As for getting a bot account, I suppose that's a good idea. I'll poke poke some more since he hasn't done enough for me. Psycho Robot (talk) 21:31, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

(Reset indent) <.< move throttle sucks huh. -AWB Alex User AWB Alex sig.png 12:31, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

screeching halt 2: ascended armor boogaloo[edit]

Not all ascended armor uses the Illustrious armor skin, and all in-game sources refer to the armor sets as ascended armor. The only place it is called Illustrious armor is in the skin locker, which changes the name for several other skin sets too. On top of all of this, not all ascended armor uses the Illustrious skin - Wurmslayer's_armor has added particle effects and its own location in the skin locker. I really don't feel like going through and all of the link changes your bot made manually, and I would thank you dearly if you could just have your bot undo them. Thrain | contribs 03:58, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I did realise that wurmslayer armor did was not part of the illustrious set and I do not think that I changed any references where the result implied that wurmslayer and other ascended armor sets were the same set. I'll double check tomorrow however. It was my intent to have illustrious armor be the "crafted" ascended armor page, and to eventually make ascended armor page itself be sort of a disambiguation between wurmslayer and the crafted sets. I redirected ascended armor to illustrious, but I probably should have at least made a simple disambig page saying "ascended armor refers to illustrious armor and wurmslayer armor. Sorry if there was any misunderstanding. Psycho Robot (talk) 04:06, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
I was using wurmslayer armor as an example of why calling Ascended Armor 'Illustrious armor' at all is inaccurate; I wasn't trying to point out any specific editing mistakes. Every mention of any 'ascended armor' set in the game text and other media refers to all of the armor sets as Ascended armor, whereas the ONLY location Illustrious armor is used would be the skin locker. If you want to create a new page & links for the skin like we have in place for Draconic_armor that's fine, but having each set link directly to that instead of the main Ascended armor page would be inaccurate and, in my opinion, a bad idea. Thrain | contribs 04:37, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Anet does not have a record of being informative, clear and consistent though (I should know, I worked on sorting out the armor on GWW and they even had an armor they had forgot to enable in the game). What they say can change, and definitely will as soon as more ascended sets are added. That doesn't necessarily mean I agree with the name Illustrious armor, but I do think it's important to create some kind of structure/consistency between all our armor pages. If the Ascended armor could refer to both Illustrious (crafted) and Wurmslayer's, this definitely needs to made clear on the Ascended armor page. And, linking to Illustrious armor from Tailor, Leatherworker etc seems very logical since that's what you'll create, not Wurmslayer's. - anja talk 06:34, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
However, no one calls it Illustrious armor in-game yet, nor is that the name of the rarity tier, so it's pretty confusing. It's important to think of how your average player might react to such a change. Vili 点 User talk:Vili 06:44, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Of course, the average user should always be considered (I mean no irony here, I just couldn't find the right wording..). I'm also thinking of the confusion when they see Illustrious armor in the Wardrobe and search for it and get redirected to Ascended armor without explanation. I'm all for Ascended armor as a page, with explanations! - anja talk 13:57, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Moving ascended armor to illustrious armor before it was ready was not my best idea, I'll admit, and until such time that I get around to making ascended, illustrious, and wurmslayer armor articles that explain how these pieces of equipment relate to one another, I'm fine leaving ascended armor where it is. I will also double check the edits I made to ensure that no Ascended armor link that could refer to either Illustrious armor or Wurmslayer armor was changed to point to Illustrious armor only. That being said, I disagree with the premise that "ascended armor" is the name for the crafted sets. Ascended armor is armor that is ascended rarity. There are two types: illustrious and wurmslayer. Illustrious armor is crafted by tailors, leatherworkers, and armorsmiths. Wurmslayer armor is found as loot from the great wurm chest. To say that you can craft ascended armor is akin to saying you can craft exotic armor. It's accurate, but its not specific. So when you say that an article for zojja's armor should read "zojja's armor is an ascended armor set", that's right, but its more specific to say that it's an illustrious armor set. Continuing to call them ascended armor sets after anet has selected a discrete name for them will only serve to make documentation unnecessarily confusing. Sure players don't use the name illustrious armor right now, but anet chose that name to represent crafted armor. It's its new name now. Psycho Robot (talk) 21:55, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
I think saying "Zojja's armor is an ascended armor set which uses the Illustrious armor skin" would be more informative. The Illustrious skin is almost the same thing as ascended armor right now, and I think we should make clear that Illustrious is the skin name because the armor item itself is never ever called Illustrious in game. As long as Illustrious is almost the only option for ascended armor, I think we can keep this "old" naming around. Ascended is less confusing than Illustrious when neither of them are what the armor is actually called in game. Once we get another set of Ascended armor (a third, fourth etc) I think that would be a good time to restructute. - anja talk 07:13, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Why remove redirect?[edit]

Can I just ask, what's the purpose of checking the box "do not leave redirect" when you are moving things if you then just add a redirect right after that? - anja talk 15:15, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

He probably left his common.js active, which unticks the "leave redirect" box when it loads the move page. (true he should have turned the .js off, but oh well). Additionally there isn't a button to "only leave redirect for mainspace" - a talk namespace redirect isn't so helpful. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 15:26, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
You're half right as usual. I am keenly aware of when a redirect is useful and I always remember I should leave one! Remember: I am infallible. The desire to not create a talk page redirect is correct though. Psycho Robot (talk) 17:39, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Temple Vendor nav[edit]

Temple vendor nav--Relyk ~ talk < 01:23, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Does it just drive you crazy? I'm gonna leave it. You can just deal with it muahahahahaha. Psycho Robot (talk) 01:25, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm not the one with extended editor privileges.--Relyk ~ talk < 01:43, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Also, I'm tempted to revert your changes to Temple armor since it looks like we've lost a lot of information since you're not done yet. --JonTheMon (talk) 15:41, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
you have some stuff at Talk:Aurora armor to read while you're at it :D important imo to nail down a good format before you copy it 21x.. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 16:49, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
The bulk of the information not yet put back in is the cumulative stats of the individual armor sets (i.e. light mortal armor of grenth). Nobody cares about that though. Nobody will ever equip a full set of any of individual temple sets. They all mix and match to get the prefixes that they want. Still I have no problem with reverting till I'm done recreating that trivia on the armor set pages. Oh wait relyk already did it. And yes Alex i heard. What you think I don't watch your every move to collect dirt on you in case I need to extort any favors from you? Psycho Robot (talk) 18:11, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
There were enough edits in rc to warrant saying just in case. Are we directing people to the skin pages for the galleries, or showing them multiple times? (guessing former) -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:21, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
That's what I reckoned. The light mortal armor article's armor set infobox would show skin=aurora. Though I don't expect people to wind up at that article very often anyways - like I said nobody cares about a complete set of any of that armor, its all about mixin' and matchin'. Psycho Robot (talk) 19:29, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
I actually use a full temple armor set (heavy melandru) since I put in a lot of karma for it, so might as well use it. I first used this page a lot when I was money poor, but had some extra karma and needed an exotic armor set, so I could figure out if a single temple was good for me. --JonTheMon (talk) 19:46, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
content of edit rather than summary - without the margin, the edit buttons jam up real close to the table. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 22:21, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
I guess I ought to make a template for it though huh Psycho Robot (talk) 22:26, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
A template already existed for a similar purpose - {{armor gallery overview}}, except that it wasn't quite usable. I've fixed that now. (I honestly thought it was used on more than one page, pling must have left just after we made it) -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:46, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
"like I said nobody cares about a complete set of any of that armor, its all about mixin' and matchin'", you made this claim before and I'm going to tell you that you are very much wrong. I understand why that may seem agreeable, but not everyone is looking explicitly for skins. Players may not want to mix and match, want set that has all the same set or rune, only cost in karma, be part of an achievement such as cultural armor, acquired from a specific vendor, part of a specific theme like mad king, or simply for convenience. All the attributes we can use to group equipment into a set, including being part of a clear skin set.--Relyk ~ talk < 00:26, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
I wasn't saying nobody cares about a complete set of any armor, I was just saying that, as far as temple armor is concerned, because all the sets from all the vendors look the same, it is very unlikely that anyone who cares about stats will buy a full set of any particular temple armor set. People don't mix prefixes like that, and nobody uses magi's. I'm generalizing of course but magi's is probably the least desirable prefix. So the cumulative stat bonuses for a specific set of temple armor is not particularly useful information. Psycho Robot (talk) 00:31, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Lol [8] -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 20:09, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

As the last person to edit that, i believe the responsibility for that rests on you. Psycho Robot (talk) 20:16, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

You are a fraud[edit]

I am no longer sure the place you're getting your info, but great topic. I needs to spend a while studying much more or understanding more. Thanks for wonderful info I was on the lookout for this info for my mission. dfdfddfbfddebedd --The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk).

I'm sorry if I make mistakes sometimes, and do things that don't make sense. It's just that I get excited about contributing and sometimes when I get excited, I tend to overlook the small stuff. I've never been very detail oriented. So when there's something I edit that's wrong or incomplete, it just means that I was more concerned with getting an article up sooner and fixing it up later, rather than waiting until its perfect to put it up!
Really, it's always been about the players. Its a better service to the players to have a rough-around-the-edges article up soon, especially if it's about an update or something that's the flavor of the month. There's time to fact check and refine later. Besides, I think you're forgetting the collaborative nature of the wiki. Players not particularly interested in editing the wiki habitually will chip in for a correction here and there if an article is up, but they'll rarely create an article when one isn't there. Plus, they can't create articles as an IP.
Still, you raise some good points and I can see how, sometimes, in my excitement, I let go of good judgement and act rashly. Sometimes I feel pressure, like I think to myself "If I choose not to save it now, how many people will come looking for this info, then leave disappointed? Would those people rather be confronted with a sloppy article than nothing at all?" I know that an article full of misinformation is better than no article at all, and sometimes the status quo is better than change for change's sake, but I feel that my edits, though lacking at times, are not quite that bad.
I hope that you can understand my position and the explanation for why I do the things that I do. If you have any additional feedback, please don't hesitate to leave a message on my talk page. kjkkjnjkkinikk Psycho Robot (talk) 18:29, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Fight the power! (I have no idea what you are talking about)--Relyk ~ talk < 18:41, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
sounds like he's lonely if he really is talking to gibber bots. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:11, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
That was ...awesome! — snogratUser Snograt signature.png 23:44, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
I reckon that the bots are editing your page because there were a high number (3) links to goo gle spreadsheets. I've sabotaged/edited the links such that they're still there, but hidden in the html and not visible. AbuseFilter should now match that exact pattern of "i like your blog" also. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 12:33, 6 May 2014 (UTC)


Archive your talk page or I will lol. Apparently you have 58 external links on your userpage... Also, you have your own AbuseFilter now. >< -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 11:41, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Removing bug reports[edit]

There's a series of bugged trinkets that drop from boss chests. Their stats do not match those of a level 80 item, as level 80 items have 3-attribute stats, and items of different rarities with the same name generally have the same statcobination. You deleted the anomaly report. It may or may not be a bug, but it is an anomaly as it's detached from the clear standard most GW2 items follo. Do not delete anomaly reports until either the bug is fixed or ANet states it's working as intended, in which case the anomaly report becomes just a note, but also stays, as its still anomalous and non-standard and players must be informed of that. MithUser MithranArkanere Star.pngTalk 15:28, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid our ol' pal Psycho has retired from the wiki, at least for now; so I wouldn't expect an answer. There's a very thin line between bugs and anomalies, I'd categorize those in anomalies as we're not sure if this was intended or not. --Ventriloquist 15:34, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Since it's consistent across all of the world boss trinkets, it appears to be intended, thus anomaly would be the correct notation. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 15:36, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, my intention was anomaly. I'm still waiting for a response in the official forums about these items, as they seem to serve no purpose other than causing player frustration as there doesn't seem to be something like a recipe to upgrade them to the exotic version or anything like that. But the post got sent down to oblivion, ignored, due to the massive waves of bug reports the subforum is getting lately. MithUser MithranArkanere Star.pngTalk 15:41, 12 September 2014 (UTC)


yeah that template should have been deleted by now--Relyk ~ talk < 20:51, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

orly cause i was gonna use it in my impending mawdrey rewrite. was it replaced by something else? Psycho Robot (talk) 20:54, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
The {{currency}} template already handles the formatting. A template that simply abbreviates stuff isn't useful. You can copypaste the item name if typing out the full name is too much effort. Also, icons should never be used in prose but rather use a simple wiki link. Icons in text is bad practice. The vendor templates were updated with sections specifically those Geode prices can be pushed to the vendor table :)--Relyk ~ talk < 21:20, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
O neat. One other request. Is it possible to rig up Template:Tp to spit out a simple number such that I can use it in an expresion parser function? Or is there another template to do that? Psycho Robot (talk) 21:39, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
No, the [[Widget:TP prices]] is processed (in Javascript) after the contents of the page are parsed by the server. You can see that data processing from the results of API calls about TP information is beyond the scope of the wiki. We would leave that functionality to other sites. I did poke Poke about adding a running total to Form:Base ingredients query for example.
I added Tier 6 prices to Mawdrey, I think it looks fine although four different vendors takes up some space :/--Relyk ~ talk < 21:56, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
That's a bummer. I guess instead of listing the price I'll just list that it comes from the trading post. Psycho Robot (talk) 22:00, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
The page still needs TP prices too. Could display TP prices in an item table call, but that wastes too much space. Maybe add an override to the recipe list row template to show TP price? It's not show because most crafted items are account bound.--Relyk ~ talk < 22:56, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
I'll finish the page cleanup and afterwards you can take a look and 1. make sure i haven't fucked it all up and 2. see where TP prices could go where it wouldn't look stupid. The issue is that you need to buy 7 plates of meaty food, for example. So how do you show that? x 7? That looks kinda stupid. Psycho Robot (talk) 22:59, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
That's why I had the base ingredients suggestion. You simply do the calculations in the base ingredients query for like Package of Elementally Charged Plant Food and display the total price for each item and quantity.--Relyk ~ talk < 23:19, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks so much, PR, for clarifying the process for Mawdrey. --Gold Recluse (talk) 05:33, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Good job. But you really need arrows pointing the other direction in the tables. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 12:11, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

If you are going to remove all the advantages of generating the content dynamically, might as well take advantage of it I guess. I switched to {{ingredient list}} and did some formatting on the minimum table as an example.--Relyk ~ talk < 21:29, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

The reason why I didn't try for generating content dynamically is because I had in mind a very specific way of displaying the information that I didn't think dynamically generated content could manage without creating templates specifically for mawdrey, and why bother with that? I like ingredient list for the materials and I'll switch it over, or you can, depending on who gets to it first. Psycho Robot (talk) 23:08, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
The tables are really recipe trees, like listing all the subingredients. I never figured out a way to put it in a template: User:Relyk/SMW#Recipe tree table. Instead of the bound/unbound section, we'd try using base ingredients somehow. The Geode prices can be output dynamically like I did in the example and limit the output of each price to the first entry. We need a better approach on acquisition, like running a query that produces all the methods of acquisition instead of having to pick and choose acquisition methods. I suspect if we got all that working eventually for pages like Mawdrey, it'll make creating the pages for precursor weapon quests and other items in the future easier. But that's all tangential to actually fixing up the Mawdrey page :P--Relyk ~ talk < 23:39, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
I can see the value in the experimental template you linked, but it begs the question, how deep do you go? I have orichalcum setting listed as an ingredient, but should we list that you can make them using orichalum ingots? And should we list the ingots as being made with ore? And how about the +5 Agony infusion? Do we go all the way back to +1 infusions? In these cases you need to make a judgement call about how much information is really necessary. A player who is crafting mawdrey needs 400 jeweler, so they're going to understand already what's involved with orichalum settings - that they can buy them, or craft them. The same can be said for listing acquisition sources. A player attempting to craft mawdrey will have a good understanding of the game such that they don't need to be told how to acquire thick leather sections or bloodstone dust. Attempting to do so will just clutter the page up, and its already very dense with information. For the fine crafting materials, would you list all the zillion different bags they can come from? All the mobs that drop it? I think you're too focused on how much information you can show, and not how much information is actually needed. Psycho Robot (talk) 00:02, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
You can't assume what the player know as far as crafting because people stop playing and then come back and probably don't remember how they got to 400 jewelry crafting. In addition, you can't choose the method of acquisition because people may choose different methods for acquiring each item. The issue we face isn't about choosing what information is needed or shown, but providing a way to navigate to that information quickly. What information is needed may change as ArenaNet adds and removes those methods. The cool thing about something like an acquisition query is that it's very data-oriented. We can have a link that opens up in a new window, which strips most of the wiki markup, and display all the methods in collapsible tables.
On an unrelated note, we could format the bound/unbound table to show TP prices since that was your main intent. I don't think we need to include bound items because the table is acting like a checklist of items you can buy.--Relyk ~ talk < 00:31, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Isn't clicking the link of the item in question a sufficient means of conveying the information about how to acquire it? If someone doesn't remember, then they can open up the article to view it. Though if the acquisition list really does open in a separate window then it's not going to be obtrusive so it could be okay. As for the trading post prices, I'm worried that it won't look good because we can't multiply the price itself, so we'd have to do something like i listed above which doesn't look that great. I guess with some snazzy formatting it could work. ()×7, for example Psycho Robot (talk) 00:38, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
That only works if you look at a single item, because you are looking to acquire all the other items in the recipe too. Or all the items required for the a certain quest. Moving to individual pages for each item you need gets exhausting, where the recipe tree saves us a lot of time. That's why we also need a checklist of those base materials. It's the base materials where we want to look up acquisition quickly so people can go through and check how to acquire each item. We could have the widget provide a quantity parameter to calculate the total cost and put the individual cost in parentheses. You'd have to ask ishmael or poke.--Relyk ~ talk < 00:58, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Did you want to post the updated guide on reddit? It might get overlooked right now :P--Relyk ~ talk < 01:00, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Maybe in a bit. In the mean time, I've run into an issue. How do I make Template:ingredient list work with +5 Agony Infusion? Psycho Robot (talk) 03:49, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Sup. 5 Agony Infusion redirects to +5 Agony Infusion.
SMW and MediaWiki hate + signs in titles. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 10:50, 19 June 2015 (UTC)


Currently working through Ocarina of Time 100%. Along with Final Fantasy 6 ans Pillars of Eternity.--Relyk ~ talk < 23:23, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

3 excellent games, you may continue -Auron 12:51, 18 June 2015 (UTC)


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Hey, just a heads-up, I've removed your bot's bot flag, as you've been gone 5 years now and it just seems like bad security practice to leave an unused account that can hide from RC. Obviously if you come back someday and want to get back to using it, just make a request again as normal - Tanetris (talk) 20:49, 18 June 2020 (UTC)