Talk:Quaggan

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If this is from the artbook, can you give a visual description of the creature? And when would we be able to post concept pictures of these; if ever? Obie Quiet 16:54, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

No concept art or description of the race is in the book; they're just mentioned in the Maguuma section.-- Shew 21:06, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Seems strange that they wouldn't include art for the race in the artbook. That just makes no sense. Cress Arvein User Cress Arvein sig.JPG 04:01, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Without even seeing them I think I'd befriend the Quaggan over frog and rat people. Ramei Arashi 20:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
I hope they weren't inspired by these. Well...I guess I have to see what they look like before I judge them.-- Shew 21:14, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
I doubt that Shew, they hardly look aquatic, which is half of what we know about Quaggan. I would look at myths of peacful or generic aquatic creatures for their inspiration.--Corsair@Yarrr 21:17, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
I know they're not aquatic, but you know...sea horses...they could easily make sea zebras.-- Shew
Seabras *Ba-Dum-dish* --Huginn 08:24, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Aren't seabras also called bikinis? :P -- Konig/talk 13:02, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Konig... you forgot the punchline drumroll :p --Huginn 13:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

No I didn't. I don't resort to cliche's like that (also it isn't a dish). -- Konig/talk 15:08, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Cliché? You mean like MWAHAHAHA! And I dislike the racial sympathy choices for sylvari, why not oakhearts? They are plants after all. Eive Talk Windgrace 15:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Plants yes, sapient, probably not.--Corsair@Yarrr 15:42, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Oakhearts try to eat children... o.o --AmannelleUser Amannelle Me.jpg 01:48, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
They sure do! --The Holy Dragons 08:37, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
@Corsair -1 for speculation! --smøni 19:22, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

an image :)[edit]

here you go! :) --AmannelleUser Amannelle Me.jpg 18:59, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

btw, that must mean this is a corrupted Quaggan... or a resurrected one? :P --AmannelleUser Amannelle Me.jpg 19:01, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Awww, so cute even with plants growing out of its rotten flesh. Manifold User Manifold Neptune.jpg 19:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

reminds me of this lol :P ArthasShadowsong 19:22, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Omg wow! Lol "Quaggan" and "Quagsire" look very similar indeed! ;) Easter egg of sorts, or coincidence? --AmannelleUser Amannelle Me.jpg 19:38, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
So what's a non-corrupted one look like? Ramei Arashi 23:24, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

hehe ye i know :P. i think the origin of the name will probably be the same for both they are both pretty much the same sort of creature with the same habitat and all that. ArthasShadowsong 21:16, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking they are likely both based on the word quagmire. --Emelend 00:31, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Here, use this image, it's better, and will let people know what they look like when they're NOT corrupted. 98.23.52.105 10:56, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Their religion[edit]

Should it be noted that the Quaggan worship Melandru, but refer to her as Melaggan? sauce. :) --AmannelleUser Amannelle Me.jpg 13:19, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

I think so. Ramei Arashi 15:56, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
"sauce"? :p-- Shew 13:24, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Curry sauce next to the Amanelle's name. In the video, skip to 3:15 for the reference. :) (Xu Davella 13:28, 15 September 2010 (UTC))

Mellagan (sea god) is reference to Magellan (seafarer)? The person who went on the first expedition to sail around the globe. Argo111 13:59, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

While the similarities in name between Megallan and Mellaggan are uncanny, I think they just took Melandru's name and made it Quaggan-approved. Konig/talk 15:04, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Personally I don't know what to think; human Scholars know of Melandru and believe Mellaggan is just the Quaggan-perspective image of the same god. The Quaggan themselves seem to be convinced Melandru is not Mellaggan. I doubt ArenaNet is going to clarify this for us either way. - Infinite - talk 15:10, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
What do you mean? We already have our answer. see? :) He outright says "The Quaggan worship Melandru.... they like to call Melandru Mellaggan." 98.23.18.36 19:54, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Oh wow, I missed that for a few months. Thanks! - Infinite - talk 20:27, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm skeptical on the truth behind that comment by Jeff. Things change, so they may have decided between then and now that they are, in fact, not the same - just viewed the same by some. There's really no reason why they would need to backtrack on that comment, unless they changed things. Konig/talk 21:34, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Clear Image[edit]

Could be usable instead of the undead one? --User:Huginn--Talk 14:45, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Is the link broken or am i being blunt?--NeilUser Neil2250 sig icon5 Anti.png 14:49, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
It was, but I've just fixed it. ShadowRunner 14:53, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Adorable[edit]

I hope these guys are tamable enslavable. Felix Omni Signature.png 06:23, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I want to ride one. EiveTalk 20:57, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
... yea... --User The Holy Dragons sig.pngThe Holy Dragons 21:08, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Saddle up your quaggan, we're riding out. -- Konig/talk 21:18, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Autoquaggans, roll out! EiveTalk 21:32, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
I want to use a whip. -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 21:48, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
aw C'mon! --User The Holy Dragons sig.pngThe Holy Dragons 5:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
I just love them already because they're enemies of the Krait. I hait Krait.--Ph03n1x 20:42, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
These are insta-win over rats and heket. Though, I'd say they look more like obese dolphins than toads.--Gerroh 20:06, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
They do. I would laugh so hard when the first time everybody sees them they all go "look! so cute, oooh.". and it then pulls back its lips and hisses angry while showing a mouth full of razorsharp teeth. Rhonin Soren 19:12, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Apparently they do that i laughed so hard :p --RhoninUser Rhonin Soren sig.pngSoren 22:01, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
I chose quaggan racial sympathy. I don't like grawl or dredge much (but then, I'm human, and I can't choose them, so that's to be expected) but I prefer quaggan over skritt, yeah. I think the idea of it being a social faux pas to go into 'rage' is neat, as well as the reason for referring to themselves as 'quaggan'. A very polite race - would be cool if we could play them. TiffanySmith.8216 (talk) 11:56, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Quaggan saaad[edit]

User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 09:15, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Sysop needed?[edit]

...to end the mass undoes?
"The quaggans originally showed up as more roly-poly, almost cartoony creatures, and they were quickly adopted as a cute aquatic race. Their original round appearance proved challenging to rig for animation, so they went through a number of iterations, at one point slimming down and becoming more like dolphins. Later they regained some of their weight but retained a beaver-shaped tail from earlier designs." blog quote
If they're based on anything listed explicitly, it's beavers... they took on a dolphin shape between original and now, and that design was changed... Their current appearance is toad-like, so can we get someone to step in and take care of that ip user 98.114.107.96 thinking he's right? ~~ User Kiomadoushi sig.png Kiomadoushi 23:14, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

The whole race confuses me. :S --Xu Davella 23:32, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
"at one point slimming down and becoming more like dolphins" "becoming more like dolphins" is not the same as "dolphin-like" or "based on dolphins" - we have the twitter describing the quaggan as "toad people." Granted, the twitter account can be incorrect, but still "becoming more like dolphins" before regaining weight is not the same as "dolphin-like" or "based on dolphins." 00:30, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
They don't seem particularly toad- or dolphin-like to me. I recommend just sticking with amphibious, and maybe adding a colorful adjective like "lumpy." Felix Omni Signature.png 00:39, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
that toad tweet thing does make sense... like a big, fat, pollywog. (skin type, body, proportions, need for water, ability to breathe...) ~~ User Kiomadoushi sig.png Kiomadoushi 00:48, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Toads don't turn into Hulks or wear clothing. I really don't think comparing quaggan to an animal does quaggan justice. Felix Omni Signature.png 00:49, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Last I checked, nothing turn into hulks. Closest thing is just pissing something off, and toads can probably get pissed off too (never tried so I can't say personally). But I'd have to say that they are not really either dolphin-like nor toad-like. Maybe at some point in development they were toad-like, but now all they really have is the general hunchback shape and the amphibiousness. So I say keep without any relation to rl animals for now. Especially in the main portion of the post - maybe something in the Trivia to note such. Konig/talk 01:37, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) By the by, this dispute didn't really require sysop intervention, but if and when you feel something does, it's more likely to be seen if you request it on the Admin noticeboard. Felix Omni Signature.png 02:21, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

that was more of "do we need a sysop for this?" not "help! sysop! help please!"... i know about the admin noticeboard... and as it was going, it was just going to be a bunch of reverts, so this talk about those back-and-forth changes was important... and so here on the talk page. ~~ User Kiomadoushi sig.png Kiomadoushi 03:02, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
edit but thanks =) ~~ User Kiomadoushi sig.png Kiomadoushi 15:39, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Oohhh!!![edit]

I like these guys alot..... Well, before reading the article I kinda thought 'wow, big ugly gray thing...'. I wish they were playable... Quaggan saaad . . . .--User Necro Shea mo signature.jpg Necro Shea Mo 04:55, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Maybe they'll be in one of those in-game shop expansions? (at least as a costume/disguise?) They're right on the tarnished coast, so their story could be about a hero among the quaggan? The blog did say that quaggan heroes still transform but generally tend to keep a little more control. Just like how the charr go from hunched-over to standing, quaggans could go from blobby to bitey in combat, and as a hero, retain most levels of control (of course, you're threatened, so you feel a need to fight, so it still fits with the lore they gave us). Didn't they once say they were planning on 5 for initial release, but were thinking about more playable races for later? This could be one of them, maybe... ~~ User Kiomadoushi sig.png Kiomadoushi 15:33, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
The five major races have a solid place that is "home" to them - by what the article says, the quaggan lack this, and as such lack a "village." The "hunched-back" state of the charr isn't really the same thing as hulking out for quaggan. Konig/talk 15:44, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
It's similar enough, they said quaggans only change appearance when they feel threatened, and a hero among quaggans can retain levels of control... enter combat, claws grow and teeth grow, skin changes color, and you're ready to fight... then once the fight is over, a little while later, you go back to your blobby shape... And it did say they have homes, but they're capable of being mobile if they're pushed out... move into an area near the sylvari, and the pale tree begins to give them an amount of shelter, and they have a permanent home in an underwater home instance?
Besides, they said that they weren't adding standalone stuff like proph/factions/nightfall, only expansions upon the game that exists. That means that buying an expanded races pack would give access to stuff not just open to the world, be it instanced or requiring travel by npc, even if just through a door. I guess I'm thinking a little far ahead, but they did say they're trying to push away from other continents besides Tyria... If quaggans are already here, then why would they not open them up? It's not like they're a constant enemy species like the hylek or krait. ~~ User Kiomadoushi sig.png Kiomadoushi 15:59, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Let me clarify: The "hunchback" form of charr is merely just a stance. It's irrelevant to whether they're in combat or not. However, for quaggan hulking out, they lose all reason. Not only that, but the blog makes it out that the hero quaggan are rare. Regarding your thoughts on expansions: I don't see that to be the case. It makes very little sense in comparison to what they're doing. That'll make the cities desolate outside of NPCs, whereas everything else is full of NPCs and people. What I see happening is that there are just new areas opened, but you can't make characters of certain races. As I see it, the only viable expansion race we have reason to believe for are Tengu. Konig/talk 23:17, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I found the phrase "hero Quaggan" in the blog post a bit suspicious myself. There's some potential for them to become a playable race based on that. Felix Omni Signature.png 00:14, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
@Konig, on the no solid 'village'-type thing, maybe that's why they will not be play-able in the initial release, we'll help them build a solid government and capital! ,':) --User Necro Shea mo signature.jpg Necro Shea Mo 03:27, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Plural[edit]

The article can't seem to decide whether the plural has an S or not. They're the "quaggans" in some places and the "quaggan" in others. What'll it be? Lysander 05:19, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

It is Quaggans according to the very first line of the blog post as well as throughout. Felix Omni Signature.png 07:20, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Oh, I've been treating the word Quaggan like moose and sheep.. EDIT:Personally (after reading through the article) Quaggans sounds waaaayyyyy akward. Quaggan sounds, and flows, much better.--User Necro Shea mo signature.jpg Necro Shea Mo 05:49, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
There's potential for confusion because of the way quaggans use "quaggan" in place of personal pronouns. To simplify things, when we talk about them, they're quaggans, and when they talk about themselves, it might be quaggan. Felix Omni Signature.png 05:54, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
From what I've seen, it all looks like when they say "Quaggan", it's always singular (such as "I" is singular, as opposed to plural "we"). They don't say "Quaggan are", they say "Quaggans are" or "Quaggan is" all throughout the blog. Quaggan is also the adjective form, just like "human" is an adjective, as in "human cities". ~~ User Kiomadoushi sig.png Kiomadoushi 02:47, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Small[edit]

Am I the only one that expected them to be much bigger? When I saw them being so small on the underwater video I realized why they were defendless against the Krait and why they are considered to be so cute :P Lokheit 15:38, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I expected them to be more Gungan-sized. Felix Omni Signature.png 16:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Quaggan Ambient[edit]

You could also add that the differencies between quaggan from the north and south, is not only in their skin colour, but also that north cannot adapt to warmer waters and vice versa. If a northern Quaggan goes in warmer waters they will get sick and might die (viceversa). Source: NPC Varonos Kassplip, Watchful Fjord - Frostgourge Sound

Quaggan pictures[edit]

So I was updating the bandit pictures the other day, and I'm wondering if we can't do the same for poor quaggan here. Most of the quaggans picture on the wiki are very dark, and in general most quagans either have a basket head, or no basket and are plain quaggans, with the only difference I can see being that some are blue and some are green. Can we do something like the Bandits and just use one image for hat quaggans, one for regular blue quaggan, one for green quaggan, and then if there are individual ones Baroosh for example, they can have their own image?

Lost quaggan icon.png - Doodleplex 20:23, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Personal opinion on images is one image per model. But some folks like having 'environmental differences shown' (e.g., File:Destroyer of Worlds.jpg versus File:Megadestroyer.jpg). But I think that these models are similar in where they're found that it won't be an issue - so yes, go with one image per model I say!
As for number of models, there's more than just those four models (even Baroosh isn't unique - he's just always in enraged form... well, almost always - he's a clothed orca when not!). There is one or two enraged form models (I think it's one for northern quaggans, one for southern), there's a clothed green, two clothed blue, clothed orca, naked green, naked orca, four different baby quaggan models (2 blue, 1 pink, 1 orca), and I am sure there's some I'm missing - all off the top of my head. There might be male and female versions for the adult colors. Konig 21:48, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
I think most of the other ones you listed are from Endless Mystery Quaggan Tonic. I mostly mean the generic NPC's like Commissioner Baabloo and Blubla have pretty much the exact same model, same for Baloop and Doobroosh. If they look nearly exactly the same(the only difference being background scenery) I think it'd make more sense to just use one image for each of the common npc models I've found, with the hope that it makes updating quaggan pages easier. Coo! - Doodleplex 22:13, 21 March 2016 (UTC)