Talk:Ember Bay

Mechanical region

Just tested with today's daily, Heart of Maguuma Miner, apparently Ember Bay's region is Heart of Maguuma - the background on character select also matches - not a new region like we've been adding because "we're going to the Ring of Fire!" promotions... Konig (talk) 23:27, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

My edit got quietly reverted. -Chieftain Alex 23:31, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Could just be an oversight and they haven't had a chance to change it. I'd guess because all the new things have been related to HoT and the Heart of Maguuma, it got lumped into that when it came to dailies. - Do_odleplex 23:37, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Usually the background of your character portrait in the character select changes based on region. Heck, it even changes between Tarnished Coast and Steamspur Mountains IIRC. Konig (talk) 23:45, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

An ANet employee commented on a recent Reddit thread about that - apparently they made the char. selection background and everything, just forgot (?) to implement it. Should be fixed soon. —Ventriloquist 23:44, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

It seems like what we call a "mechanical region" isn't actually as straightforward as we might want to believe, and most of all the distinction is surprisingly hazy. We tend to choose a zone's mechanical region by the dailies, character selection background and the API but those don't always say the same thing. I was just about to tell you that the API says the region is Ring of Fire and that the character selection background will be fixed soon. And then, just to make sure, I looked up the API for Sparkfly Fen and Metrica Province... and noticed they say Steamspur Mountains and Tarnished Coast...

Honestly, with this being said, I think we really should scrap this arbitrary categorization when it isn't even reflected in-game, use the API regions everywhere on the wiki and then 1/ mention that dailies for Tarnished Coast and Steamspur Mts. are counted together as Maguuma Jungle, and 2/ add a Daily region row to the region infoboxes to distinguish the two in cases of the two Maguuma Jungle regions and for Ring of Fire. It would make more sense to everyone and remove the inconsistencies that we managed to introduce to the system. 01:23, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

It's more than just the dailies, however. Background on character select is the second obvious one, but there are also "regional weapon drops" which utilize this same set up - in Maguuma Jungle's case, the drops are Glyphic weapons and Tribal weapons, while in Heart of Maguuma it's Reclaimed weapons. In core, hearts also have the same weapon skins shared by region. And then there was the Explorer achievements - there is no Tarnished Coast Explorer or Steamspur Mountains Explorer, just a Maguuma Explorer. It was actually the Maguuma Explorer achievement which was used originally to identify the situation for that region. Why the API says something different is beyond me, tbh - maybe Anet planned them to be separated, but then combined them for some reason (number of zones in the region, perhaps?). Konig (talk) 04:07, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

When you're determining the region by several aspects at once, what will you do when they don't match up? The link above shows that they plan to implement a new background on character select for Ring of Fire, who knows if the Reclaimed weapons drop there but I don't remember getting any, and neither Heart of Maguuma nor Ring of Fire have any Explorer achievements. That means that the dailies seem to be the only indicator that Ring of Fire is somehow considered mechanically together with Heart of Maguuma. For 4 years I found it weird to say that Mount Maelstrom and Sparkfly Fen are in the Maguuma Jungle, despite being located so far from it, but at least it looked kinda green, the achievements matched it and with GW1's Sparkfly Swamp being considered part of the Tarnished Coast (which was not Maguuma territory back then) I never really cared that much. But can we really say with a straight face that Ember Bay is in the Heart of Maguuma simply because they didn't make new daily gathering for it? What if the next map is in Deldrimor Front or Far Shiverpeaks but the dailies still counted there, would we still say those maps are in the Heart of Maguuma Jungle? 09:53, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Forgot about this conversation. Woops. Anyways, when aspects don't line up you go with the majority, typically. Reclaimed weapons do drop there, I can definitely confirm such. If they do intend to change the character select background (still not done unless I missed something), then we'd be at an even 50/50 (API and chara select indicating RoF region, while dailies and drops indicate HoM region).

It is weird to say Mount Maelstrom and Sparkfly Fen are in the Maguuma Jungle, but that's how ArenaNet did things mechanically. They did the same in GW1 with Sparkfly Fen, Verdant Cascades, and the Tarnished Coast zones (all being the same region: Tarnished Coast). Without the region explorer achievements and the dailies, I'm sure folks would just be putting them as Steamspur Mountains. I think they put them as Maguuma in the end because of the number of zones per region (without doing such, we'd have 2 regions of 3 zones, 1 region of 2 zones, and 3 regions of 5 zones, whereas with doing such we have 4 regions of 5 zones and 1 region of 3 zones) - which they clearly stopped caring about.

If the next zones are across the map but still count to the Heart of Maguuma dailies, still drop the Heart of Maguuma weapons, then that would mean that, mechanically, they are indeed part of the Heart of Maguuma. Hopefully ArenaNet will make a Ring of Fire dailies (and whatever other regions we need) by then. Konig (talk) 20:45, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Just read the above entries, and I am pretty sure I've had Reclaimed weapons drop in Ember Bay, as I haven't been in the HoT maps for some time. --Inculpatus cedo (talk) 20:33, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Feedback 2016/09/30

The sun doesn't seem to move in this map. I'm wondering if it is set to be near dusk, permanently. Thus, rendering day/night mechanics non-viable here. Some posts in the forums seem to indicate that, for instance, Ascalonian weapons never glow. --Inculpatus cedo (talk) 20:33, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

I recall it being nighttime there. But it's very bright - even for core maps (probably all that lava). And yes, Reclaimed weapons drop in Ember Bay. Konig (talk) 20:39, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

I also remember it being night because I had to wait for it to be day to take a picture of an NPC, though that was on day one, so maybe something was changed recently? - Do_odleplex 20:46, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

File:Options-Sound.jpg was taken in Ember Bay just over an hour ago; can confirm it's night-time on the full screenshot (and even on the cropped one). -Darqam (talk) 21:27, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Is this correct?

Are the only ways to get here, after you've left (like, to do the next chapter), are:

• Pay gems/real-world money,
• Pay gold and unbound magic, or
• Re-do a mission you've already done? Daddicus (talk) 20:45, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Options:

• If you've been there already on that character, you can use a waypoint from the world map like everywhere else.
• If one of your other characters, you can use gold + unbound magic to buy an unlimited use portal scroll.
• If your account has never been there but you logged in during the time that the Ember Bay living world chapter was current, you get here by doing the mission.
• If your account has never been there and you didn't log in during the time that Ember Bay was the current living world chapter, you have to firstly buy the chapter with gems, then do the mission.

I wonder if you need to own the Ember Bay chapter to use the Lava Lounge pass? -Chieftain Alex 21:07, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

If you purchased the Lava Lounge Pass Bundle, then the episode was included. There's no such bundle for the two week pass, so that makes me think that it probably wouldn't work, or possibly might not be visible for those who don't have the episode to avoid people buying it and trying to get there without having the episode or have it not work and then complaining somewhere that it didn't work. It's definitely an "ask Anet" question though. - Do_odleplex 22:12, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

The pass was sold on its own when it was first released, and it's categorised as giftable, so I guess technically you could have gifted it to somebody inactive who would then have the pass but not the chapter if they came back now? —Azurem 22:21, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

I wonder if it's possible to gift people things they can't use though. To quote Dessa "So many questions, not enough answers." - Do_odleplex 22:29, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! Daddicus (talk) 04:59, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Where should this go?

My characters who have gone to Ember Bay (all human females, but that's probably not important) will occasionally, and for no visible reason, suddenly scream with a chat bubble saying "(scream)". Cynique (talk) 12:27, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

It's often due to a major boss being up (similar to Bloodstone Fen), usually the Champion Pyroclastic Jade Construct or the Molten Dominator. Sythe 16:40, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Feedback 2018/08/03

According to posts on the forum, purchasing the 2-week Lava Lounge pass doesn't unlock the map, but merely a Waypoint that can not be utilized. --Inculpatus cedo (talk) 05:04, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm wondering if anyone has tried using the Lava Lounge pass (permanent) that hasn't unlocked the Episode. I don't see any mention of it here...maybe there was something on the old forums. Inculpatus cedo (talk) 07:38, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Impossible. Buying the pass from the gemstore unlocks the episode. It's an episode + pass package (price even discounts if you own Rising Flames), hence my original removal of that comment. The 2-week version apparently doesn't unlock the episode, but it was only in the gemstore during the initial release and never returned so those who brought it in the gemstore had gotten the episode for free already; the only reason people can use it without having the episode unlocked is because of black lion statuettes (I expect to see them permanently removed from that soon(tm) though). Konig (talk) 20:43, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Ah, well, as there was, previously, a way to attain the Lava Lounge Pass without the bundle, according to the Wiki, I wasn't aware. One never knows when items will return. Inculpatus cedo (talk) 23:02, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

The non-bundle option existed while the episode was new and free. Once A Crack in the Ice came out, the non-bundle option was replaced with the bundle. It is unlikely to ever return due to the issue we're now seeing with the 2 week pass via statuettes. Konig (talk) 00:35, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Routes Map

My original Route Map in .jpg format. Shows Lava Tube, Sequential Updraft, & LeyLine routes as well as updrafts to rejoin Leyline route. Separ (talk) 20:31, 8 November 2020 (UTC)