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Ash Legion Amulet

I seem to have stolen your thunder on this one + filled out the acquisition section. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 12:25, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Nicely done, thanks! I'm also curious about your gathering of map bonus rewards, Re: Talk:Map bonus reward#Feedback 2016/01/25. Looks like a copy/paste may have left out a few lines for Kessex.
Edit: I just saw that discussion page. I'll take your code under advisement (I should make a list of such examples), but we need to get you away from this wiki for a bit! G R E E N E R 19:41, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Event ID

Hiya,

So I saw a recent change from you mentioning http://jsfiddle.net/fffam/dxyhqca9/embedded/result/ , which I find really cool and will use from now on. There is one question however, what is the use of the event_id? It seems to not create a code to link an event nor anything else I can see. So does it have any purpose aside from wiki completion? -Darqam (talk) 21:37, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

IIRC, it was used for event timers, back when megaservers didn't exist. You could create trackers (similar to the boss timers we currently have) for each zone, and each event with an ID could be tracked (has it started, did it finish recently etc). —Ventriloquist 21:39, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Wiki completion, yes. I'm not sure if there's a means to transfer from the game to the wiki via an event with /wiki, but if there were it would likely have to use such an id#. There may also be means to track events in some manner still by using the ID#, though with megaservers it's not longer truly viable. G R E E N E R 21:42, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Hum ok. So then at this moment putting those IDs is more of a 'might be useful later' scenario then if I understand properly. I'll keep that in mind and see if I can't add those to future event pages I make.-Darqam (talk) 21:56, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
What...what is that link? Does it randomly generate the code we need for pages and events that don't have info? It has one flaw if it does, not every event gets a Dragon chest, for example
Event swords (tango icon).png
Clear the poisonous urchins from Lashoosh (22) doesn't so while helpful it seems a little risky to copy paste what it generates for every event providing that is what it does. - Doodleplex 21:51, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
That link was created by a contributor (RE: Guild Wars 2 Wiki talk:Community portal#Event page auto-generation tool). I'm not sure of its breadth, nor how often it's updated, but you can ask for more information over on the user's talk page. G R E E N E R 22:52, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

[Kaiser skins]

Hey, I figured I'd drop information here in case I mistake something.

So in your edit you link the pages to the Kaiser Snake Axe (skin) page, which is the Wardrobe skin page. HOWEVER, there IS an item that is only a skin (like the zenith weapon skins) which is Kaiser Snake Axe Skin. So that box does drop the skin item, and not the wardrobe skin. I think this is a simple misunderstanding but I want to make sure, because that weapon set is a pain.

p.s: there is also a straight up item Kaiser Snake Axe, not to be confused with the other 2 pages. -Darqam (talk) 20:48, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I know how much of a pain they are. First hand experience in sorting a few of those out. I'm not in-game to double-check, but I believe the collection for The Kaiser requires the wardrobe skin unlock only. Cleaning up pages like Ogre Expert has been on my to-do for ages.
Since there are two ways to get each skin, either from the Kaiser Snake Weapon Box for the weapon or the Kaiser Snake Weapon Box (rare) for the Skin, I think the cleanest way is to just show what is required to get the unlock. G R E E N E R 20:59, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
Oh bugger. I mixed two different edits in my head. Yeah you are definitely right for this. For some reason I thought that the page was showing a chest and not required weapons... ignore me and move on with your life :p -Darqam (talk) 21:03, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
No worries, I am always finding myself going in circles with these things (which is a feat of mental acrobatics since my browser tabs can only form a line). G R E E N E R 21:06, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Interwiki links going to empty pages

Heya, not sure this is the right place to ask but given that I see you posting countless interwiki links I figured I'd try. I've been going through some miscellaneous pages lately and noticing that there some pages with interwiki links which lead to non-existant pages. For example Defeat Icebrood from the Frost Portal links to FR, DE, and ES; yet only the ES DE page has content. Is it better off to remove the links going nowhere or do we keep them in the same idea we hope red links to be filled?

I'm aware it's a minor detail but clicking on some of those in the hope to get more information only to get an empty page kinda irks me. -Darqam (talk) 20:14, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

There would be a few why the links go nowhere:
  • The page hasn't been created on the other wikis
  • The link on our side is wrong (often because the localization process is iterative, and names change after release)
  • The link on our side is right, and the other side hasn't fixed their name
Since none of these issues would are solved by removing the links, and the links in two of the cases have potential to be important, I say we treat them like red links, and hope they get filled in at some point. G R E E N E R 00:44, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Also, the links can be generated for us by the API for the canonical name in other languages. Or someone runs a script that matches interwiki links between wikis and flags them if they don't. Interwiki link management is not something we want to do by hand :D --Relyk ~ talk < 01:14, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for commenting twice but I couldn't resist: Good thing you don't want this done by hand, I have been doing it for ~3 years now :-D --Cloned (talk) 09:12, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
I actually thought you had been when I saw you doing it! I didn't even know what the API was back then ; ) G R E E N E R 09:14, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
And to Darqam's final point, I've always hoped there would be a way to tie the wikis' data closer together via the interwiki links. I do not know how well programs can work, if at all, across separate wikis. G R E E N E R 03:23, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Haha good thing Darqam didn't look at my change-history or you would have asked the question on my page. First, thank you Greener for supporting me in adding interwiki links. And yes, the other wikis have far less contributors so not every link will work. It's like a red link here, if you know the language and the formatting in the other wikis you are more than welcome to add the page. Sometimes not everything can be linked directly from the api: the english wiki doesn't add the hero point (spelling is wrong) in front of the hero point challenges. But in 99% the links are correct, the 1% where it leads to a wrong site can be corrected manually. --Cloned (talk) 09:07, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
No problem, Cloned. Once Relyk showed me Smiley's website, I was able to follow in your footsteps. G R E E N E R 09:14, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
To that topic: if you, greener, add the interwiki links to the guild hall boss trophies you may find recipe ids in the german wiki ;) --77.21.127.181 13:58, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Well that's just lovely! Edit one and I hope you don't mind edit two. G R E E N E R 16:59, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Yes, thats perfect. Ty :) --77.21.127.181 19:37, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Answering with big delay due to absence; Ok I see, I'll keep that in mind and may try to fill in information here and there cross wiki. I doubt I'll do a full on new page since I don't want to bother (yet) with learning other formatting. With regards to the interwiki links, would it be worthwhile for me to throw up De,Fr,Es links on all the pages I make, or should I limit those to more obvious ones such as weapons/armors/items, and avoid things like events/meta-events? -Darqam (talk) 15:23, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
If you find a way to incorporate interwikis into your process for any page where you think the names have been translated, it would help. Of course, finding the names can be a struggle. Smiley's page is far from perfect when it comes to correcting itself, events and NPC's may require manual copy/paste and circuitous hunting methods, and lore pages may never have equivalents.
Building the page properly should always take precedence. If you're spending too much of your time hunting for the interwikis then don't worry about it. Doing interwikis after the fact gives all the wikis the chance to make their respective pages in the first place. G R E E N E R 18:14, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

wiki != forum

hahaha. Yeah thanks for that fix. I think I might want to proofread more this early in the morning. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Darqam (talkcontribs) at 15:39, 25 May 2016‎ (UTC).

My morning edits are full of such fun things ; ) G R E E N E R 16:18, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
...omg... and I forgot to sign that last comment... I swear I know how to wiki edit... I think... -Darqam (talk) 16:26, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
This is what happens when you start playing more of the game, and spending less time on the wiki. I guess I'll have to sabotage your computer, again. G R E E N E R 16:28, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
nuuuuuuuuu leave my poor computer alone. I need it to live for at least another year before I can justify replacing it. notouchyshiny! -Darqam (talk) 16:36, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Reverts

Heya, I'll start another talk page subject for you.

So when I do reverts, I can only ever revert the last edit done. Yet every now and again I see someone revert of the shape "reverted to previous edit from XXXX". How in the damn world do I do this? There's a few times where it would have been super useful to revert multiple edits at once, but had to manually do so. -Darqam (talk) 20:31, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

It's one of the rights which is granted to some groups called "rollback". My account belongs to the extended editors group. It's a nice median between having normal user editing powers, and having sysop powers (i.e. it comes with the ability to move things without leaving a redirect, and has the aforementioned rollback).
If you're interested, swing by one of the bureaucrat talk pages (you choose which, they both need love) and ask. G R E E N E R 20:41, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) You get the extended editor priveleges by asking nicely on a bureaucrat's talk page, i.e. User talk:Poke or User talk:Tanetris. then you get humourously congratulated on your talk page. Following that, you get buttons (like this) saying "rollback" on history pages (last edit only) and in recent changes. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 20:47, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Yes, Alex brought up a good point. You can only rollback from the last edit, and it will only rollback to the last different editor. E.g. if I were to look at the history of this page after I save it, I can only rollback my edits, and it will rollback until it hits a different contributor (Alex in this case). If you did it on Inc's gemstore page you would roll it back to May 4th. G R E E N E R 20:56, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Oh ok I see. Well if this ever becomes an issue once again (hasn't for a while) I might go bother someone. Until then I'll keep the information in mind. thanks to the two of you. -Darqam (talk) 21:14, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
And lastly (only because I want to cover all bases, you kinda left it ambiguous, and others may read this note and find it useful): You can revert back to any specific point in a page's history with only a few clicks.
  1. Go to a page's history.
  2. Move the left select-circle down to the edit you'd like to keep. (The left column of circles beside the names "(cur | prev)")
  3. Click "Compare selected revisions".
  4. On a page looking like this, you can click "Undo" on the top right edit side. Note that this page also shows you how many intermediate revisions you're reverting.
  5. Leave a friendly note saying why you're reverting so much.
Hope this info helps someone! G R E E N E R 23:02, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Sandboxes for Quaggans

Alright, so if I'm following these:
  • Events are your standard event, for which you get rewards upon completion (karma, exp, etc.)
  • Meta events are where either events chain into each other (one must be done before the others), or are done simultaneously (all need to be completed to win)
  • Map meta events are those where map participation adds up in the lower right area, and rewards depend on how much you've participated and how far along the meta has gone
Assuming I've got the above correct (and I may be misinterpreting it):
  • Your inequalities need work. The tables should read "< 25%" for less than 25%; and "> 100%" or "100% <" for greater than 100%.
  • You can probably add the Event timer subsections to the bottom of the pages.
  • Do we know if there are any API codes attached to the Map Meta Events? Though, do we really care?
  • The Bloodstone Fen map doesn't have a Map Meta Event that I saw.
But yeah, pages look good to me. G R E E N E R 08:43, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Yep, that's it exactly for the events. Does the map meta page make them clear enough or do you think the meta events should have a ===Meta Events=== header?
  • I do not have fond memories of math because of my learning disability, so thanks for that info. I remembered there was a sign for "greater than or equal to" so I used that for the 100%. So is it good now? =o
  • The timer doesn't always reflect the current meta, so I thought about it at first and then left it out. If you think it should be there, then I don't mind putting it back in though!
  • I don't know really much about API, I feel Alex or Rylek would know that stuff though.
  • Yay!
I really just want them to be as clear and and helpful as possible since map metas certainly are a lot to take in. - Doodleplex 04:49, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
They're succinct and packaged nicely; I'd say run with them. G R E E N E R 15:25, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Semantic Rebuild

Since you seem to be online atm, I'll ask you. Do you think it would be possible to put up a sitenotice saying that the data base thingy is being rebuilt and things might look odd? Might avoid some confusion for users (and editors). -Darqam (talk) 17:32, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Well, just came back, saw your message, and didn't even get a chance to start looking for the banner. (okay, I swung by {{notice}}).
Thanks Felix. G R E E N E R 17:47, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
Yawp - Felix Omni 18:28, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

They are...

...not evil! They are fuzzy and adorable and the world's most entertaining mouse trap! - Doodleplex 06:08, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes. Yes, they are. G R E E N E R 06:52, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Noooo these kitties are good! T___T - Doodleplex 07:21, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Screenshots of POIs

The red desert borderlands screenshots that you took are fantastic, thank you very much! (Alex) --149.254.56.142 23:08, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Np *shakes fist at roaming BG death squads*. We'll see how my memory holds for grabbing some more. I still haven't done that charr storyline... Silly GW, always distracting me. G R E E N E R 23:46, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

So inconsistently confusing

I was poking around and apparently(<-I can't spell that word. Rawwrr!) if you look at the "Map completion" for Kessex Hills, it seems there is no "the" in front of Kessex Hills. Is it possible Anet's just inconsistent when it comes to grammar or do you think it's possible for the description for Kessex Hills was meant as "the hills of Kessex" but the location by itself has no "the" in front of it? - Doodleplex 20:36, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

That's just a language difference. No language is consistent to that degree, and changes occur over many scales of time (e.g. "google" became a verb because people changed it to be so, and it caught on). Some citizens of Tyria may refer to it with "the", some may not. It won't - heck it shouldn't - be consistent. Yay English! G R E E N E R 20:54, 27 September 2016 (UTC)


Chuka and Champignon Champawat Tiger Den & Cubs Book Gizmos

Hi Greener, sorry for the absurdly long section header. I was wondering whether you could confirm that all of these books grant you access to the interface that lets you travel to the tiger den/ pick one of the tiger cubs:

Thank you in advance! User Incarnazeus Signature.pngtalk 18:17, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

I've got the full set, scattered through my characters. Some of those do, some of those don't. I'll make a list for ya in a bit. G R E E N E R 18:30, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, much appreciated! User Incarnazeus Signature.pngtalk 18:32, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
Not Greener, but I just checked these items and Naturalist's Journal and Hunter's Journal do not give you the option to pick cubs/travel to the den. From what I can tell, these options are limited to the part IV collection gizmos from Chuka and Champawat IV: A Nontraditional Family (so these gizmos let you travel to the den/pick cubs: Tiger Den Map, Baby Book, Completed Baby Book, Tiger Training Guide, Annotated Tiger Training Guide). -Nefastu (talk) 18:40, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
Confirmed (with an ec). Thanks Nefastu! G R E E N E R 18:45, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
Thank you both! User Incarnazeus Signature.pngtalk 18:46, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Interwikis and updated names

Heya,

Ok so... I've been wondering about the issue you and Cloned seem to be having with German names being updated but only have sort of guess work to figure out which ones. Thanks to some guidance from Chieftain Alex I may have the start of a solution (not sure at all if it's a good one or not).

So basically one can query the GW2 api with, say:
https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/items/79456
to pull the current name of said item. You can additionally pull the values from the wiki with something like:
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/api.php?action=ask&query=[[Has%20game%20id::79456]][[Has%20context::Item]]

And from there you could make sure that both names are the same.

Now at the moment there are two main problems:

1) Running over all the items will take a long time (for both api and wiki searching)

2) This might be too expensive for the wiki, I really don't know.

There might be a better way to look for this but at the moment it's all I could find. This also depends on there being similar properties in the german wiki to query things in this way (since atm the query is for the english wiki).

So I'm not sure if this is actually interesting, nor if this is something that *should* be done with the wiki. I just thought I'd offer a suggestion, and continue with it if it's of interest and learn the proper properties to query the german wiki API. -Darqam (talk) 02:57, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for those. I do find them very interesting, especially after working alongside people who could make programs like Access sing and dance. I now have an unrealistic expectation that if the data exists, then there should be a means of gathering it cleanly.
I haven't looked to see which aspects of SMW the other wikis have chosen to use, but my wishful thinking would be something along the lines of this:
  1. Select numerical range to query the API/items for ID numbers (say a block of 100)
  2. For each successful return:
    1. Query other API languages to grab the name
    2. Query the respective wikis to grab the page name
  3. Produce table with 7 columns to show the data (ID#, Name1, Name2, Name3, page1, page2, page3)
Now that I think about it, I don't know how well the wiki API will work with single searches. It may be easier (though prone to holes), to query the wikis first for the ID numbers that they use, and then compare those to the game API.
And, if it's not at all clear yet, this is me yammering on about a topic I know very little about ; ). Your idea most definitely has me intrigued, though. G R E E N E R 21:47, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
Well my initial thought on the matter was to do the following
1) Make a list of ID -> Name from the GW2 API
2) Lookup each ID in that list on the GW2W API and, if it exists, check that the names match.
I was thinking of testing this with the english wiki first, as I would need to know some of the property names on the German Wiki to test it there.
Now if someone else wants to try this out feel free to do so, it will probably be done much more cleanly than anything I could do. -Darqam (talk) 22:01, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
Couldn't we just use the API names + tell the german wiki to get with the program and move their stuff? -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 22:07, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
We could, but I was hoping to generate a master list of pages which need to be moved due to localization. Cloned said that one had been generated a while back solely for the German wiki, but if we could produce one for all four wikis, that might be of use. G R E E N E R 22:12, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
The idea is definitely to use the API names, but the purpose of this would be to figure out which names of items have changed since they were added on the wiki and haven't been updated. It seems like the German wiki had a ton of those, and I imagine maybe the english wiki also has a few. I guess this is kind of a sanity check + needed update list. -Darqam (talk) 22:41, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
Totally missed this conversation. To shed some light on the "it was done for the german wiki" part: This was done because we knew many items got renamed. The translators decided (in 2014/2015) that hyphenating is the way to spell things, so they went over all the old names and put - where they were appropriate. They were also inconsistent with their translations sometimes: In the english version you often have a "naming convention", like for ascended: Every ascended weapon has this formula: zojja/stonecleaver/whatever weapon/armor. In the german version we had weapon/armor of zojja and another set was named stonecleavers armor. When this was pointed out they went over all the ascended stuff and unified the names. And it was done by the user darthmaim who also hosts the gw2 itemsearch. It's no problem for him to make a database dump and compare it to a later version. Anyone with a server could set up their own version and do the same thing. Obviously,iIt would only show new changes, not the one that already happened. not many items have changed, i only encountered a handful of items in all these years i edited the interwiki links. And now that you all mention it I think one or two event names also changed. (Don't remember which, sorry) --Cloned (talk) 07:59, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
Ah, so the changes have been in large focused batches, and not done in a scattershot fashion. Alright, good to know that gathering all the names for a comparison isn't really needed at the moment! G R E E N E R 20:11, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

(Reset indent) So I did my own take on this, and boy was that a pain in the ass. That said, I compiled a list of mis-matches between the API and wiki naming. I've filtered out a couple thousand false positives due to us merging item stats into one page, and have also omitted any entries where the wiki had no entries for it at all. Entries that had an added detail in parenthesis such as "<gear name> (masterwork)" were also omitted. There are still going to be a lot to filter through (2042 entries to be precise) but if anyone cares, you can find the text file here.

I will try and check all of these over the next few days (weeks?) and make sure I do nothing silly while checking them. Anyway... thought I should update this. If it works, I might try to run it for the German wiki as well but I'll need to learn their properties first.

p.s: If you want to check the api entry, quick link here: https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/items/<id here> -Darqam (talk) 04:25, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Who knew that GW2 associated Psycho Robot with Strawberry Cookies.
I'll piddle around with these and see what else is to be seen. G R E E N E R 04:39, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Ok so looking through it a bit more, I've notice LOTS of the 'incorrect' matches are due to us adding "PvP" in front of pvp weapons/armors. Although these probably should be checked, I've removed them for another version of the file here.
It also seems a decent chunk of these mis-matches are due to editors putting in the wrong id. So do proceed with a wee bit of caution. I'd recommend checking with the actual API if anything more than a minor change is observed. Anyway, I need to sleep so I'll look more into this tomorrow. -Darqam (talk) 04:49, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Could you do a double-check on your list? You have "Id: 68029, API: Carapace Glove Box, wiki: Carapace Armor Box", yet the API states it's IS an armor box. G R E E N E R 06:10, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
lol wut. I have no idea how that could of happened. Unfortunately there is no way for me to easily 'check' the file, I would need to rebuilt it all (which I am not doing quite just yet). If there remains multiple issues I'll consider re-doing it but if it's just a one off, screw it. -Darqam (talk) 13:24, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Wasn't a one off, but false positives are easy to check against the API. I ran a script to see if either the wiki name was contained in the API name, or vice versa. For the IDs which did not have any match, I've done a quick look. I see you've found quite a few more than my method did, which is great. I'll go over my list again to see if there's another perspective I can use. G R E E N E R 17:19, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Ok, good to know, I'll try and fix that for future checks. As for the workload it seems that it's pretty much done (since it seems SarielV is working on the Asura boxes). The only 3 which I think are still needed are:
Id: 74021, API: Recipe: Charged Ambrite Orichalcum Ring, wiki: Recipe: Burl Orichalcum Ring
Id: 74077, API: Recipe: Charged Ambrite Orichalcum Amulet, wiki: Recipe: Burl Orichalcum Amulet
Id: 75395, API: Recipe: Charged Ambrite Orichalcum Earring, wiki: Recipe: Burl Orichalcum Earring
Which I kind of want to confirm in-game first due to the drastic name difference. -Darqam (talk) 17:29, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
I can confirm that the Anet misnamed a few items as "Charged Ambrite", and updated their names to reflect the source. If you're popping in-game, could you double check the ones below? WXP Booster suggests that they have different durations, and I cannot tell from the API which is which. I'd like to use {{Item variant table row}} on a single page, if it can be done cleanly.
Id: 45055, API: WXP Booster, wiki: Taste of Liquid World Experience
Id: 45056, API: WXP Booster, wiki: Thimble of Liquid World Experience
Id: 45057, API: WXP Booster, wiki: Swig of Liquid World Experience
Id: 45058, API: WXP Booster, wiki: Jug of Liquid World Experience
Id: 45059, API: WXP Booster, wiki: Keg of Liquid World Experience
Or, just pop back and append the durations to my list. Thanks! G R E E N E R 17:39, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
(Resetting indent) Stuff I did in regards to this list:
PvP name wrong: pretty much all of these were a case of someone reusing another page and not replacing the ID number. I know because the culprit was often me :) Only one wasn't in the API (Bonereaver), so I took a guess on its actual number based on the only nearby gap.
Liquid World Experience items, Invaders WvW weapons: commented out the ID number. I don't like removing data that might be somehow useful in the future, and this should keep the lookup from breaking
Darkvine items: fixed all names and references except one User page that wouldn't load.
Diacriticals: moved around some articles to fix presence or lack of umlauts etc.
Misspelled items: moved a few articles around that sadly were spelled correctly. Attached bugs; hopefully someone sees them.
Needed still: Red-capped Gauntlets (4911, 4912), Aetherblade Mini 3-Pack (find real ID#) SarielV 20 x 20px 17:39, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Interwiki for all events

Hey, you once asked where I got all the links for the events, I cleaned up my script and put it on my userpage. If you (or anyone else) has any questions about it, just ask. It's not pretty or super user-friendly but it does the job. --Cloned (talk) 08:04, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for double posting, but in case you didn't see it, Darqam was so nice to host my little hacked-together thing for the interwiki-events. So if you ever find an event that lacks an interwiki, you can fix it. --Cloned (talk) 17:34, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
Perfect! A few more things to throw into my bookmarks. Thanks folks! G R E E N E R 20:11, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

More interwiki stuff

Heya Greener,

So I made an interwiki thing. It's nowhere near as nice as smiley's but it does search for items/achievements/skills/traits on the api. It isn't fancy but I thought you might have a use for it. -Darqam (talk) 20:07, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Hmmm... to try to log in quickly to do my dailies before clients, or play around with that new toy... G R E E N E R 20:14, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
To be fair the new toy doesn't do much. It's a carbon-copy search system like my other pages, but just limits the output to interwikis (and the icon). -Darqam (talk) 20:25, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Want to have fun? And by fun I mean stupidly annoying, groveling work? Well do I have a treat for you. I have (multiple) lists of pages with no, or missing, interwikis. The lists do not encompass all pages, not by a long shot, but here are some that I will be working on for the next few days and wouldn't say no to help if you care for the hurt. See trophies, event items, consumables P1, and consumables P2.

Note that I accidentally included templates, and the process also catches pages that aren't actually entries so you do need to be slightly careful. Anyway... have fun if you care to try it.

p.s: You should probably download/copy-paste the file into your own text file so you can remove the entries you've done. -Darqam (talk) 00:05, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

I've been very busy recently. I'll give it a good look early tomorrow, and will see what can be done. G R E E N E R 03:59, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
I'm also doing interwiki stuff, so thank you. Stumbled upon this discussion, I hope it's ok if I also use these lists :) --Cloned (talk) 06:30, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Hey Cloned, yeah I remember you doing this as well and thought of pinging you into this at a later point, now is fine though; so go nuts. It's less for me. -Darqam (talk) 15:59, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Probably skip template pages lol. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 17:42, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Yeah... like I said, when I made the initial xml files I checked the "include templates" since I thought anything using templates in the pages would be omitted if I didn't... didn't notice my mistake until later. -Darqam (talk) 17:47, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Still behind the eight-ball. Love the lists. You should avoid having templates on them. G R E E N E R 02:56, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I'll keep this going instead of making a new one. So you might have noticed the page User:Darqam/InterwikiHell that I'm updating. I've started running over the item pages that were in those txt files and as such have removed them since they really aren't up to date anymore anyway. The wiki page however is the closest thing to up-to-date that I have for missing at least 1 interwiki link. If you ever do work off of that feel free to remove the ones done. If not, then I'll get to it sometime within the next 20 years I'm sure. In the mean time I'll keep running the bot until I feel the list is more or less complete. -Darqam (talk) 18:49, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Absolutely. I have been trying to find those nice moments when I can relax with a podcast and do some more updating. Thanks for consolidating the list. Most of those are going to be the truly painful manual ones. Feed Darqbot well, tonight. G R E E N E R 19:08, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
I also forgot to add that this method does catch quite a few pages that are not actual item pages (like Sword Blade). So there very well might be less pages to go through than it seems. Additionally my current code fails to properly interpret those weapons where you can choose the stats (like Hue), so those will show up as well. -Darqam 20:28, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I noticed when going through the trophies and event items that there are quite a few exceptional cases to be aware of, but that's why having a bot take on the easy ones is appreciated. Those that are left often need a moment or two to mull over. G R E E N E R 21:42, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
p.s: I kind of hate myself while looking at the list of items/skills. -Darqam 22:56, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
Hey, that's how you know you're doing good work on the wiki. —Ventriloquist 16:50, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
Ok, so I think I am mainly done. The page from hell is User:Darqam/InterwikiHell. There is additionally this page User:Darqam/FunnyBusiness which I have not touched any items until someone goes over them and sees if they are deserving of single pages. I think I will take a break from this business for a bit but I'll post up here if anything significant comes of it again. Note that the work I did was only for anything that could be found in the V2 API (skills, traits, items), while ignoring achievements. So anything npc/event related I didn't touch. -Darqam 22:05, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
I'll give it a good look tonight. Do take a well deserved break. Keep Darqbot running though; it needs to keep in shape. G R E E N E R 22:12, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Multi-item pages

So with the recent batch of edits, I noticed that some where meant to be merged onto the big pag of similar equipment (i.e Scale Boots, Iron Sword, etc...). With the next batch of bot edits, I've found quite a few of these (for example Honed Iron Axe of Debility). Should I make a separate list of those since they should be merged or do I throw them through the interwiki bot? -Darqam 19:49, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Many of those separate pages were created to reflect story or leveling rewards, which I believe are more useful staying as separate. Perhaps you can exclude them based on those categories? G R E E N E R 19:55, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
Hrm. Ok, I'll put them on the side for now, throw them on a page and figure out what to do with them later. -Darqam 20:06, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
Gah, now that I changed my signature link to my talk-page, the text is auto-bolded. First world wiki problems. I blame you for forcing me to see this travesty. G R E E N E R 20:10, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
Hey, I had the same problem ages ago, but thankfully Alex helped, as usual. —Ventriloquist 20:51, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
Oh, I see! I'll give that a shot later, though I fear I'll be stretched beyond what the sig box lets me use. G R E E N E R 21:29, 7 November 2016 (UTC)