User talk:Ariyen/Archive2010

so i herd

southern people like to make gay talk pages that link to gwwiki. Rask of Shadows 05:22, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, I heard that people who place personal attacks are just bad. So, be kind of nice and stop it. -- Cyan 10:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

LOL, Well Rask, I have to say this, but it's not Southern people who make gay talk pages to link to gwwiki, it's others. Maybe you out to look at what you say, before you speak. I have always heard that usually when someone dog out others. They speak of only themselves. I don't know if this is true or not, but I'd hope one would look before they act their shoe size. Thanks! Ariyen 15:43, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

What Rask meant is that your "Please leave a message at the bottom" link points to your GWW talk page, not to here. It can be fixed by just changing the url to "guildwars2" instead of "guildwars". -- pling 17:23, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Should have said it in a better tone, than attacking someone's culture. Ariyen 20:55, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Maybe you out to learn some grammar you white trash. Rask of Shadows 03:49, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

It's "ought," and you missed a comma after "grammar." Settle down.-- Shew 05:07, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Shew, best to ignore a troll, who's out to look for attention, talking only of themselves. When they learn to respect and be nice to others, they'll see that people would communicate with them. I'm not out to communicate with someone who does not know me, is out to demeanor and cause trouble. It's just amusement though. Ariyen 06:24, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Can I remind everyone that though there isn't a GW2W:NPA or such like, I will still block people for personal attacks and trolling if need be. -- pling 13:45, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Omg you're from the south too? :O --Amannelle 01:43, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

"I don't accept drama on my pages."

How about Llamas instead? -- Lacky 07:51, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Lol, if they're nice. Maybe. :-) Ariyen 07:59, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

They're nice so long as you don't piss them off. Oh, and they may spit at you. I'm not 100% sure. You'll have to read the manual on them, it's aptly named "A Drama Llama's Cookbook". -- Lacky 09:43, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Isent that a horror story? --Neil2250 , The Zoologist 13:49, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

No idea. -- Lacky 07:37, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Im sure it is... --Neil2250 , The Zoologist 08:51, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Google it? -- Lacky 04:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Google images says hitler.cheeseburger.llama.russian flag. --Neil2250 , The Zoologist 13:49, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

*Points*

I'm almost sure I saw that page design before. Where did it come from?? It worked out very well, nice! -- Cyan 11:40, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Hm, don't know. Off to celebrate my b-day. Ariyen 16:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!-- Shew 21:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations indeed ^^ -- Cyan 08:52, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, thank you. I wish I had a better day. It was good, except for the accident that I was involved in. Luckily, no one was hurt. One thing that annoyed me, the cops sure took their time, despite we were in the middle of a lot of traffic and that was nervous. Ariyen 09:00, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Cops always take the time to do things. That make them ehm well.. cops. -- Cyan 11:18, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh no! I hope you and your vehicle are alright! And yeah, if no-one is hurt, they don't seem to care that much. Mat Cauthorn, The Botanist 12:16, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

How do we put a picture into a small window like the Kodan picture here ?--Knighthonor 01:15, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

You'd do the following

[[File:Kodan_02_concept_art.jpg|thumb]] or [[File:Kodan_02_concept_art.jpg|175px|right]]

as they'd appear like (the thumbnail) (top photo)

(the px size) (bottom photo)

Ariyen 02:08, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Amanelle...Aquadrizzt...Ariyen?

hey ariyen, as a member of the A-club, i was wondering if you would like to be part of my "A-Club" userbox so far its me an amanelle..., if you would like to be part of it reply on my talk page and post a link to your signature pic Aquadrizzt 18:34, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Um, sure. Ariyen 22:39, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

What about the "A" in your above sig? Aquadrizzt 23:04, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

like that Aquadrizzt 23:06, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

This user is part of the A-Club.

Oh, sure. I'll put it in my preferences. X-D . Fixed. :-) Ariyen 23:42, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Glad to see we get along so much better on this wiki (compared to the minor disagreement on the other wiki)...but its behind us :D Aquadrizzt 01:34, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Sorry if I've caused you any problems. No harm intended. Ariyen 02:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

:D...it was only a minor disagreement (in which you were right)... Aquadrizzt 13:27, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Lol...

we are taking this way too seriously I thinks...but w/e...one of us will probs wind up being the designer of the new main page :) Aquadrizzt The Weapon Master 02:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Meh, I don't care lol. To me, reason being - you don't want too many boxes and that's what I stayed away from when doing the lists as I did. I just did the main basic lay out sorta, you tweaked it on your own pages. I do think it's better without a border though, at least especially on a smaller screen. Ariyen 03:01, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree that the external border was excessive, however, i think (no offense intended) that the lists make it harder to see what your trying to find. With mine, its (assume I'm looking for sylvari), "Let's see...playable races (big and boldfaced) and then Sylvari" for yours it is more "lemme see, what is with the small italics...playable races blends right in with sylvari..." Not that I want to make it seem condescending (and if it does, I apologize profusely) but it just seems that the more structured look allows you to more easily find the information your looking for. Aquadrizzt The Weapon Master 03:09, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Hm, Are you not looking at [[User:Ariyen/Sandbox/Main|this]] perhaps? (oh and purge the page, just to see if you're seeing right. :-) Ariyen 03:11, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Lol...sorry...cache hadn't cleared on laptop yet... :s... anyway...I like the idea, but it seems more excessive, and it seems like the added lines are just there for decoration (and, no offense are somewhat annoying). IMO... Aquadrizzt The Weapon Master 03:13, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Redid it again. Not quite a fave, but at the moment doesn't blend with the other.. rather like charr blending with warrior let's say, etc... I prefer lines to keep that separate. Ariyen 03:44, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Undo your last edits, I personally think that this is worse... Aquadrizzt The Weapon Master 03:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

(and it would also appear that I'm not the only one who is staying up until midnight to work on this... ;)... Aquadrizzt The Weapon Master 03:49, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

What last edit? o.O the one on Articles? Ariyen 03:54, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Now that our desgins are COMPLETELY IDENTICAL... (cept for border color, which you never changed) Aquadrizzt The Weapon Master 17:19, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Color can be changed easily, but the design it's self is the same, except the mid part of the articles, taken from the main page (on your's). :=) Ariyen 17:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Can I get some help plox?

hey ariyen, despite the fact that we are in competition (not really...depends on the mood...) I was wondering if you could help me with a problem I have...I've been through the wiki coding twice, and I can't seem to figure out why the bottom half of "Articles of Interest" is bolded. Maybe you could figure it out :) [[User:Aquadrizzt/Sandbox/Main Page/Red/Articles of Interest|Link to Problematic Articles of Interest]] Aquadrizzt The Weapon Master 23:16, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Copy your templates..

Sry about that, but when we both change the templates it's really hard to fix the design. anyway, you may see it here: User:Itay_Alon/Main_Page#Our_structure. -- Itay Alon • Talk 08:50, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Your page (and her's) is messed up with messed up coding, fixing on my end and changing it up as well. going to show both sides. Also, plan to look at a coding where it can be on the main page instead of additional pages. I know it can be done. Ariyen 08:52, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

When we'll start step 4 we rewrite the code and clean it. -- Itay Alon • Talk 08:55, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Hm, Web page creators, etc. as I've learned. you clean up code on your way and as you're working. else you'd leave messes. Ariyen 09:02, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I re-build the html after we'll know what we really want. -- Itay Alon • Talk 09:06, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay, well since you've done what I was thinking. How would the 2 sections look reversed? Ariyen 09:07, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Don't understand you question. -- Itay Alon • Talk 09:11, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) LIke say if The News stuff and that Article stuff was reversed... the two on the opposide side of the are (same with the 3 on the right insteald fo left, how would they look on left?) Ariyen 09:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

we won't try it, because we start (to read) from left. -- Itay Alon • Talk 09:37, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I think it'd look better than the way it is. Fine I'll do it, since you seem so skittish not to. Ariyen 16:53, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Please refrain from making insults ^^

"Are you dumb? Seriously, if it's important you don't make it SMALL moronic really", "It's important information, vandal.", "You just reverted to add in hot air.". I can understand disagreeing with Erasculio (I occasionally do, myself), but adding insults may make the situation a little more... tense, if you know what I mean. ^^ Thank you for understanding, and LOVE the stardate archive system. So awesome xD --Amannelle 03:41, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

You can use it. Quite hard when you have someone who quotes and disses, instead of just having a civil discussion or even letting others give input and putting up walls of text, and repeats self, complains about others repeating... Hm.... Depressing sorta. Why I don't hardly deal with some "issues". I'm trying (and I hope it shows) to get activity to see where our problems are and most of us work to agree - get consensus every step of the way. I'm only seeing like say him, who caused more trouble by adding in other talk pages and screw things up even worse making more confused and said I confused people. I don't try, but I like to put out there that there's lots of options within options to explore each thing.... As there is with a main page.

Like for the images - if you look at my main page at the code of that image - you can see that you can move an image in and out of a box or up or down. I did that with three images - just to see how it'd do /look. I like the option of that or how it looked flipping official news and wiki, with that other (the boxes like Lore, etc.). I know most like your design, but you can play with that design and have it do things but still keep the same basic. I've got a few ideas and I plan to do them just to see how they'd do. I'm waiting until that main page/edit is settled before offering up these ideas. May just use them to see how it all plays out... *sigh* Ariyen 06:05, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Don't have a working script, I use the stardate of when I last log-on. basically the last part of the year, then the month, then a period, and then the day. er period actually goes in the middle of the day date. Doh! -.- Ariyen 08:21, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh cool. ^^ Yeah, I see what you mean about trying to present more variety and more options for these sorts of things, which is really good. :) --Amannelle 13:26, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:3

i notice you can make gif.'s, so could You posibly make me a gif of these three alternating pictures, just a small fade effect with one going to the other then back again( Like, 1,2,3,*pause* ,1,2,3 *pause* and so on...) , if you do.. ill... give you.. a... hug?

--Neil • 13:09, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Awesome :D, but ive kinda reconsidered, could you please put just the pic 2 and 3 with the effect of it going back and forth? i mean, like the one youve uploaded, but with just the pictures 2 and 3 going back and forth instead of all 3 of them?--Neil • 14:52, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Sure. Ariyen 18:38, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Oops?

Hi, could you please read your comment here and make sure everything's okay?

Cheers! A F K When Needed 22:41, 2 July 2010 (UTC) :Mmm, I don't see a problem. *confused look* I wrote it quickly, but it was more detailed of what I had thought before... :-S Enlighten me? please? Never mind. Hope that's better... -.- @ self. Ariyen 00:29, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

*Cough*

So your a normal person?.. heres a userbox for it.

This user is a Vampire normal person.

--Neil • 19:05, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Lol. Rofl. I like Stephanie Meyer's books, Anne Rice vampires, Dracula, etc. I did dress up once (have a photo of it) as a vampire. I can say I looked damn freaky. well got two separate photos of me as a vampire for halloween. Am also a star trek and star wars fan. Ty for the box and I'll add it to my collection. *meows a ty again* Time to disappear into the realm of gw - Just got a vampiric sword from traveler to beat it all ROFL talk about a Jinx. Ariyen 21:06, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Erasculio

Since I want to see the discussion about the main page go smoothly, you need to stop making any personal remarks to or about Erasculio. If you start typing out something that might resemble that, simply press backspace until it's been deleted from your text, then refocus on the important part of the page's design. I don't wish to see you falling into your old GWW habits. pling 13:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Personal Remarks? Whatever, Look I'm tired of someone responding to each person NEGATIVELY and YOU not do anything about it. Just because someone says they don't like something and they like the other, doesn't give another the right to jump down another's throught going "Why?", "Why?" when it's already explained. Take care of Erasculio. I'm gone. Ariyen 17:28, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

• Cough* "..jump down another's throught.." *drool* --Neil • 19:34, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Neil, you of all people should know better than to point out other people's spelling errors. That is what IRC is for. Misread the situation, my apologies. Ariyen, Erasculio has done nothing worthy of administrative attention, whereas you have. That is a distinction you frequently fail to make. 05:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Felix, I know what you are and you dislike me. Secondly, Neil wasn't pointing out spelling errors. Just a reference that I caught well (If you knew about Vampires and Necks, you'd understand). Thirdly, you have failed to see Erasculio's attempts at making others repeat what they've already said and his failed attempts at letting things be instead of troll baiting. Fourthly, your distinction that you claim I "frequently fail" has me laughing, because you have no proof. The proof I have is him asking people why they don't like a color or being negative over one's facts trying to prove his own that's just paralleling against one another and not letting it go with let's see 3 people, because we all know he loves that color green. It's enough to make one sick. I am glad others took the color initiative and are actually talking about it, which is something I've not see him do as of late, but troll bait others - which is not discussion worthy or helpful, but trying to cause disruption. It's obvious and so many of you miss it. Stop trying to be a sysop and be a real person, read for yourself, instead of assuming or reading between the lines as to me... Isn't that bad faith to do? I have seen lack of good faith out of any of you, because all you all do is jump at the sight of me being honest, but being blind to real troll-baiting that is obvious. *chuckles* now, if you bring this up again Felix. I am going to automatically archive it. This discussion is over and I have nothing further to say. If you can't do what Pling did do in the end on gww with him realizing about Pika Fan and finally paying attention to the actual activity, instead of assuming then why are you Sysop? To me, you're only causing disruption here. Not helping to solve anything. I done said what I've said. Now if you want to continue assuming me, go ahead, but we all know the facts, including those others he's tried "why do you not like this green?" on.. To me, that's not a discussion, but agitating the users aka disruption. Good day and leave me alone and deal with the Real problems. Else you're only going to hurt yourself and the views of the wiki - if you go at what you "feel" instead of the facts and taking them for what they are. Leave me alone, End of Discussion and I respect enough that there are many still participating (see the other areas there where more have stated their opinions without negativity that I am also involved in (and note no hostility)). Ariyen 06:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Be aware that you may not archive simply to assure yourself of the last word. No, there is no policy here stating such. No, I don't need a policy to enforce it.

I know that I did betray your trust in the past, and I regret it. I understand that you are justifiably loath to trust me again. But please do believe that I take my sysop role seriously, and I did read through the discussions on the main page editcopy. I realize that Erasculio can be frustrating (and he has been blocked before when he crossed the line), but responding with hostility will only exacerbate the conflict. If you want the situation to change, you first must change yourself. 15:35, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Or just keep yourself from responding to Erasculio and let others do the talking for you :) (I'm free, btw). --Naoroji 16:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Archiving a dead discussion. Please do not respond as I wish to not discuss anything more over people who want to assume hostility, etc. Felix, I hope you'll open your eyes better and realize that not everything is so bad or hostile as you want to assume. I will not change myself in knowing that others only state what they're going to state and not respond to someone that is trying to edge more out, when there's nothing more to say. To me, that's not a discussion, but disruption. A discussion is helping by solving problems, not creating more. Surely, you'd known that by now - to be a sysop you should know that. :-) Ariyen 22:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Expandable

I think you're having the same issue as I am. So if you figure it out, let me know! It's highly annoying, and I fail at coding... -- Konig/talk 05:15, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm working on it still, but I think I might have some things figured out... not sure. Ariyen 05:27, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

I have a funny feeling... but it worked the first time after I saved. Then it doesn't work anymore... It's a strange puzzle. Hah, purged the server and it worked... I am so puzzled. Ariyen 06:01, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi

=) A F K When Needed 23:39, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey, trying to setup ts server on my desktop for guild to use. Ariyen 00:25, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Second;

because you clearly havnt had a first. --Neil2250 cba to sign in 00:44, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh, seconds! How nice. ;-) Ariyen 23:15, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

First

Haidere.--Neil • 12:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi Neil. Ariyen 01:12, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Hai hai. A F K When Needed 21:39, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey Afk. Ariyen 22:36, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Me so sorry...

...That there's drama here. :( I wish there wasn't. -- Konig/talk 02:21, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Not your fault. You're just trying to document what's needed. I feel that if the information is there, to not ignore it. I don't know why so many want to wait. Hell, anyone should know that when they visit this wiki - there'd be some spoilers. To me, it's just another way to get more interested in the game, etc. I've read things from books, such as harry potter, twilight, etc., before I had bought them. Even seen the first harry potter movie, before I read the book. That didn't defer me or spoil anything. In fact, it helped and I didn't feel quite as spoiled, but more-so entertained. Knowledge is power. I don't see why people have to comb it or keep some information that's not going to hurt anything out.

What did hurt me on gww was them thinking I was hostile towards you. I never tried to be towards most people. hostile imo is more like.. Ex: (not directed at you, but what guild did) THAT IS MY PERSONAL CHOICE. That's being hostile. People were not seeing who all was the real trolls and to be really honest, I didn't see much of any Assuming good faith going on. It was like they were treating the new editors, etc. as if they were old and had been there for a long while and knew everything, etc... Oh well, I do appreciate things you've done there and on this one.

You can't escape from drama. It'll follow you everywhere.

Life to me is how one deals with it. If they have issues or problems, they need to solve them one way or another, but to keep at things in certain ways is not good. For places like this, it's better to be a team player than to make or have things try to go a certain way for somebody. Just because one thinks that they're right or perfect, doesn't make things right or perfect. Ariyen 03:12, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Hostile to me specifically? Because I don't recall that, just that you were aggressive (much different than hostile).

Anyways, for the spoiler thing - I completely agree. Spoilers never affected me any which way, in fact sometimes I read a sentence or paragraph way in the back of the book I'm reading just because I can. It spoiled the story's outcome, but never what leads to that outcome. For instance, I was reading the Nightangel Trilogy by Brennt Weeks, in the third book I read the first line in a chapter in the back while I was only a fourth through. It said "after x character died" and I was merely responding with "she died? Aw come on! I wanted her to live" - I didn't know how she died, why she died, when she died, etc. The story was not spoiled one bit.

However, not everyone is the same - which makes life so interesting - so there are people who would have the entire story ruined by that one minor spoiler I mentioned as an example. Some would over react to hearing the spoiler, others would mope about knowing the outcome, and others still would become completely uninterested in how they got to that end point because they only care about the end point.

Because I know this, I try to make it so that people who are of any of the later (thus unlike me) do not have a huge issue. But the wiki is a spoiler and people should expect such - but they don't. For whatever reason, they just don't. Thus we have things like the spoiler tag. The issue with the waiting bit is because there are people who want to read for themselves, but cannot get the book as soon as others can (for instance, in Australia, GoA doesn't come out until mid-August). I hope that my suggestion for the spoiler tag changes things though. -- Konig/talk 04:07, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Lol. I agree! I have read a chapter in the back of the book and though I know what happens in the end. I have questions like who did it, what happened for this to be like it is, why, how, etc. It just in-fueled me with more questions and got me interested in the book. It also interests me of how others read books and though I've attempted at two books, due to some ideas, etc. It's not as easy as it looks. My teacher in high school, he was a history teacher, gave me this great idea and it's to not have too much dialogue, but enough detail as well. Not as good on detail as I am dialogue X-D.

I think it was either on my talk (found in archives of Kaisha) or on their admin noticeboard talk... of my hostility... I can be aggressive, true, but it's not often and it only happens when someone really irritates me... Where they can't let go of things or try to stir up more problems, etc. Each situation is different, true, but when combined in some ways and really looked at those mostly involved - looked at what's going on. Key would have been to look at who was actually troll-baiting and look at the contributes too. Look at how one may try to get involved with teams, etc. So many mistook things or misunderstood things, etc. that it's not easy. Thing is for any site, you've got to have a level head and treat people equally and take in the past punishments, etc. I just well... I'm happy to not be a mod/admin on the old forum of the old guild, to be rid of their wiki, to get out of politics like that. I do like to help, but I am so tired of bs that it's their turn to realize how much and what people do. Ariyen 08:43, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

"I bet on this... that my no include below, will be included!"

Wrong! :D ShadowRunner 19:51, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

LOL Yea, in past it did... lol, at least it works now. Ariyen 19:54, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Um, can we shorten this title? lol, sorry makes my archive box look wide. Ariyen 23:47, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Template:Anet employee‎

Now I'm curious. Why is this business so important to you that you have to border on breaking the One Revert Rule? Regardless of it linking to something or not, it is still good practice. You learned something from it. — Gares 20:14, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Preferably, people need to learn about how to do a delete tag. If items are using it. It shouldn't be deleted, but talked about in talk page. Most every wiki, including gww as I have learned, only do delete and not need a noinclude, that includes templates. I have seen many revert and take out the no include on many templates, because it won't show up in a delete are either when it is used. It would only stay on that page and not be included in ANY page. I owned a wikia and messed a lot with the type tools, etc. to have learned as much as I have. Also, deleted everything eventually and disbanned wiki (the people deleted the subdomain, etc. as I explained what all was up for me), due to new leader of guild, etc. didn't want it, despite it being approved by old leader (who passed away) and so yea... I hate drama. It did gain members, their forum did not. Anyway, back to the template stuff. that's why I removed it, so it would be included in the delete pages that you guys look at.

It should have been checked of what pages link to it. It should have been discussed on talk - if it was linked to these pages if that delete still needed to be there or not. Not a noinclude, that would not even have it show up in necessary pages like for where sysops go to - to see pages that need to be deleted. Ariyen 20:24, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Using noinclude tags doesn't affect GW2W:DEL. On GWW, for example, GWWT automatically puts noinclude around deletion tags. You need to do more testing, because you're pretty much wrong. pling 21:05, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) "It should have been checked of what pages link to it. It should have been discussed on talk - if it was linked to these pages if that delete still needed to be there or not." Perhaps we are not on the same wavelengths, but I had to reread this and it's still not coming out the way I hope you intended. A user is not required to checked what a page links to. It is the responsibility of the deleting admin to check it and correct the links appropriately before deleting. In addition, the talk page is only necessary when a deletion is in question.

The tag had no consequences on the information needed to do our job properly. There was no need to remove it and it's already been stated that adding the tag is the correct course of action. Used templates are not deleted often, hence the reason why you never see the tag. Like I stated before though, the transclusion of a deletion tag within an "in-use" template is an unnecessary hassle. Chris had the right idea and I can only find one flaw in his placement, in that he should have added the deletion tag at the top in it's own noinclude tag, like Phnz did. — Gares 21:07, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

A user is not required to check the what links here, but most would be better off doing that, because so many admins lack doing that, no offense Gares. If pling is correct, then why have so many removed the no include when it's not on any user page or not add it? I have seen so many templates deleted without the usage of it, because they weren't in use and didn't need it. That one was not in use and did not need it. I find it dumb and silly why you all are arguing that it does. If someone goes to use it, they can see hey this template is going to be deleted, let me ask or find one that's the same and not going to be deleted... It would make more sense, would it not? You guys could argue all day, but I don't see your points in why it needs to be on that one. It is redundant as there's one like it (No?) and we do have you all who could help them find the right one.. (no?)

Having the no include on the delete - the person could use the wrong one, the template get deleted and they wouldn't know.

It's not in use now, what would would the no include do? Nothing. It would help to just have it as is for people to see, instead of finding out the hard way. we could argue all day, but I'm tired of making my points clear. if it was any other template already in use and redundant. I could see that and I could also see those pages redone to use the right one. Things can be fixed. (no?) Are we not helpful people? Are we not here to make things simple instead of complicated for new or other users? Are we just wanting to make it easy for the sysops?

Nm, did a preview test of what thoughts I was speaking out. -.- Okay delete does show up when using that template... something's not right though... My no include didn't include on my userpage.... that one doing preview did... O.o Now, I *am* puzzled... Ariyen 21:31, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

The continuation I'd say ended up on Gares's talk. I wanted to be clear, super clear and I felt that'd be the only way to do it... without much further wot and people misreading, etc. It can be easily done. This discussion is over and I will archive it when i get up. Please don't respond further. Create a new discussion about something else. However, I will state that if things do go as per my scenario (er the more than one types) that I'm thinking... I'm not going to say, "I told you so." It'd be the sysops mostly that'd have to deal with it and those that can help lead the right way - can participate. It's not a big issue, never was, but sometimes I just prefer things to go smoothly for as many as possible, not as few as possible. The more difficult things become... The less some might participate. :-) And the only way for some things is discussions and without discussions you don't get any where and so things stall out. I can give several examples, one here and others on gww... Ariyen 07:54, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

1 RV

Don't break it. Reaper of Scythes** 17:25, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Not an RV, check before you go pointing fingers. Ariyen 17:34, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

See, it was not confirmed via their twitter, etc. just a hear-say. before you jumped on it... When it was shown it was confirmed then I reverted myself. You guys need to lay off of whining and realize hey not everyone knows yet. Okay? Assuming is not what should be done. If confirmed facts from them (Offically from their words on any site, etc. as we don't have much yet to go on) then fine it's official, etc. it's announced. it's there. Stop making this a big deal and realize that not everyone is perfect. Going to the Admin page right off a whim when (look it's settled!) you feel like I won't be reasoned with is rather dumb. Showing proof helps - so please I ask you to not assume, but to be helpful and show what you know. Ariyen 17:47, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

No, it was not a 1RV. It was a workaround. That is not grounds for administrative action. Comments such as Have some sense, before you type and Erasculio pay better attention are, however. These are called disparaging remarks towards other users and will not be called for. This is your warning. Be more careful in what you type or administrative action will be taken. — Gares 18:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry. Just was irritated. Ariyen 18:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Drama

Why do other people have to go create drama where there was none? Are other people really that bored? Venom20 18:12, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I think boredom is it or assumptions and not liking me for some reason. I don't know really, but I've stated what I've stated. I prefer to be shown, than assumed. I prefer official (on any of their sites) to some hear-say. Honestly believe all of that was troll-bait more than anything. Ridiculous and stupid. No one is perfect, no one knows everything and that's not assuming good faith or acting on/in it as that's being selfish, imo. To me, to assume it (good faith) - one should be acting it as well. I do hope we can get up some policies. Sure is needed. Hostility I felt, because some are like it's said! that should only matter! When 1. on any site that's not by a staff member to me is hear-say... like their twitter, official site, guru by them, etc. is not... I think people need to back off until confirmed, etc. instead of going head deep into a pool of water. That's just my opinion about this matter and so I'm irritated/aggravated at a couple of people... Head strong is not going to get anyone any where... Things should be done at a right time, but ease and discussed about, not in a way that an opinion is so strong that it's felt as if it should be fact... instead of stated and discussed, changed, etc. I know no one's writing is perfect... I could go on, but I'm gonna pause. I'm thinking on playing the game, instead and maybe eventually I'm hoping that some would or may see that I'm not seen as a disruption or hostile, but that i'm trying to do things in an honest way and that I'm not really bad. I just wish I would quit being misunderstood or assumed. Ariyen 18:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I think the problem is that some people also just want to be the first to document things on the wiki. So rather than wait for an official source, they create items based on wild assumptions that was read somewhere. I agree, the policies should be a primary focus at this time, now that a whole slew of information has been dumped (official and non). Now if only there were some admins floating around to get started on that as well. :O Venom20 18:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree. However, I just hope that it won't end up being too late on the policies and end up being... bad... Ariyen 18:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Let me shed some light on these issues. 1) Shadow Runner thought it was a violation, so he took the proper steps, i.e. posting on your take page and posting on the admin noticeboard. If all this was taken to the talk page, like it should have been, instead of reverting or near-reverting other users, none of this would have come up. So if you believe Shadow Runner's actions are meant to entice drama, then so were Ariyen's actions. 2) With policies it is the community's job, not the admins', to seek consensus. 3) Ariyen, you do have a history of being troll-bait, disruptive, and an annoyance. It hasn't even been 5 months since you were perma-banned on GWWiki. Unless you show that you have changed, users will continue to see you as having a bad reputation.

And also, do not post sections about drama when it is sections just like these that entice drama to escalate. — Gares 19:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Um, you're speaking of reaper not shadow runner... People thought of me as annoyance, because even then there really was assumptions, etc. No questions asked. People jumping into the deep pool assuming things... I could give a few examples, but I prefer that to be in email. Things that are blind that some see, that the rest don't... now if you'd like to talk more about this. I don't mind via email. I can also show why I was troll bait and why some took things personal from beginning and other things to have looked at. :-) But I prefer all of that to be email, not here. This is gw2w not gww. Ariyen 20:47, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) :::::I'm assuming that the comment about the creation section was about me and not Ariyen, as I was the one who created it. The problem is that there can be no violations when there are no policies to violate. According to Policy, nothing has been accepted yet. I was not on GWW hardly ever, and I don't think I ever contributed, so I don't know those policies, but this is a different wiki, so the policies cannot port. I'm unfamiliar with this 1RV policy, I'm assuming that it is based on a 1-time reverting of the page (I have read the article, but never put it in practice). Do not misread what I am saying, I bear no ill will towards Reaper of Scythes or anyone. I was merely stating that things have a way of escalating and are full of drama when things happen that appears silly. Though yes, I agree that the comment about lack of sense was not needed, I also don't think the way Reaper shed light on the matter was courteous either. Also, I was wondering what Shadow Runner did? In regards to new policies, I understand that it is up to the general public to make consensuses about the policies, but is it not an admin's responsibility to manage them? According to the adminship proposal, things are to be done according to policy. I understand that you (in general, not Gares specifically) can use your powers as you see fit to govern the policies, but, forgive my bluntness, what the hell are you using to govern?!! I would think that it would be in an admin's best interest to get some actual policies created. Forgive me of course for ranting on Ariyen's page, feel free to move the discussion to my own if needed, I don't want to be the cause of further hot water for her. Venom20 20:53, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

He didn't mean me. ShadowRunner 20:56, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

"what the hell are you using to govern?" Common sense. - Tanetris 22:14, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

lol, common sense? I see you have never worked in customer service :P. There is no such thing as common sense anymore. The sense that you are referring to is highly subjective and is no longer common. That term should have died in the 60's when it last made a small amount of sense. In today's world, things need to be outlined and handfed to everyone. At least that way, only the interpretation can be left up to free thought and not the rules that govern actions Venom20 02:42, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

*ignores all the controversy about drama and flamebaiting*I agree with Venom, common sense is a poor term to use nowadays. There are too many cultures, too many social lives, too many differences in each person's knowledge that what is "common" among one's knowledge (the "sense" part of common sense) is so miniscule that even the multiplication table isn't common... common sense would be things like "the world is round" and "1+1=2" - reading? nope. comprehension? nope. logic? nope. a gun is dangerous? sadly, nope (see the number of accidental shootings and so forth). Common sense is a very miniscule thing nowadays, it would have to be uncommon sense to be of much use. -- Konig/talk 03:01, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Just because I feel like being an ass, did you know that it is impossible to prove that 1+1=2. Blah blah blah, long story really really short, once you have used one of the 1's in the reals, you cannot use a second one to add to it. We just all take it for granted, ..... stupid number theory.... Venom20 03:06, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't using that as a serious example anyways - as a person without school wouldn't necessarily know that 1+1=2, you have to pull people like that of various cultures and social statuses, etc. and compare their knowledge - the common ground=common sense - I merely used it to show "only the simplest of simple information is common sense." -- Konig/talk 03:10, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Less big words pwease <3 --Neil • 03:14, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Oh I agree with you, I was merely attempting to make light of a conversation that can tend to get heated quite quickly. Not to say that we are about to heat up (kind of difficult when we're both saying the same thing ;)) But yes, there are too many factors or parameters that influence individuals today. I wish the big wigs in charge of common phrases would find a way to archive this one.Venom20 03:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) @Neil: Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious. I take it you have Hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia (ironically, that monstrosity means fear of long words). -- Konig/talk 03:19, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Poor Neil....never has a chance when Konig enters a discussion. <3

My apologies for responding so late to this. For some reason I had Shadow on my mind when it should have been Reaper. Also, let's just exchange the term common sense for good judgment in this discussion and leave it at that. We use good judgment. Venom, you are correct. My summary was not based on my advice aimed at Ariyen. It based on two things. The first was towards the creation of a section that, under normal circumstances would have caused drama for the sole purpose of discussing another user's actions that was labeled as drama enticing to Ariyen and yourself. The second was your comments in regards to policy and administrators. While we use policies to, for lack of a better term, police the community, it is ultimately up to a community consensus on which policies to use and the content that resides within each one.

I hope my response is suffice enough to any questions or concerns that still might be lingering. — Gares 17:18, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Gares, my only thing that I have noticed is this.. You, Reaper, and others seem to carry a good bit of weight from GWW to here and that's just an honest opinion. I try not to and I may catch myself (even though too late at times) doing the same, but I think if we all (including me) could work to leaving Gww drama, etc. there and Treat Gw2 all of it's own. We could help with the drama, disruption, etc. that happens here. It takes more than one to do a disruption, not just one. No one is perfect in how they type, but if we look at ourselves and see how we can do things better - things even more towards content than people. Then I feel it'd help a lot with the trolling, drama, etc. as a problem on gww is trolling - some trolling that people don't see. I know we have some here, but it's not that bad and right now it's easier to see though carrying own weight of that other, etc. can lead one blind of some things here dealing with some or carrying some drama, etc. from there. My problem that I see (that I hardly do unless permission or in a positive way - try to anyway) is people quoting but not merely in a positive manner or trying to see things, but pretending to make that into an issue. that's disruption and though I may see it. I feel like so many don't. So we all view things differently. Just because I had a history of disruption, etc. on GWW - should not mean I should have it here. It only means that I might - a neutrual thing that should be left at the door. The two wikis are different. This one is guild wars 2, not guild wars. That one is just guild was and though story line and characters may be linked, doesn't mean everything should be linked.... That would help cease this drama mess. I had another drama message on here that did not escalate into drama. It can only escalate if others participate and I have seen drama be escalated on two wikis by trolls and those trolls would been dealt with by the admins. I think if the npa was used strong than it had been there and if it is used a lot more, keeping things cool. There'd be less temptations of problems and we wouldn't need policy to be so detailed and strict that it's ridiculous. After all, isn't it sysop discretion to ban, warn, etc. Wouldn't having strict or more detailed policies kinda be redundant against us trusting you all or having good faith in that you all can or would do what is suppose to be done? Do we have to have a lot of details of what we expect? instead of just enough to go by?

I hope not, but that's questions I have with so much that goes on. I don't want to second guess A sysop, but at the same time I don't like to see problems escalate and you all actually ban the wrong people instead of what is plain in sight. I don't want someone to be blinded by previous happenings to not see a whole situation for it's self... I do admit that I have some faults, but I don't think everything should be placed on one person often a lot as for so many things. It takes at least two or more. For this, I'm only hoping to hear from you in your response... for your's I don't mind venom responding, but I'm hoping for this discussion to be closed soon and not escalate and become a big problem with issues that I feel could be taken care of by having good policies we can trust that'd help in it along with good sysops (I hope to trust you to be one as I know sometimes you are (we all do make mistakes, no matter what things we could do, even with additional tools (some are helpful))). I do feel that for those having sysops or even being bureaucrats should not make them any different than any other user. We all still participate (well we all should) as a community together to create and update pages, etc. for this wiki. It's a team effort and I think many would like to see this be a positive team effort... Agree? Ariyen 19:20, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikis change, people don't. 08:45, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

That's your opinion. Please read the above next time though. Ariyen 16:34, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I did read it, of course. Please assume good faith next time. 20:20, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Ariyen and Erasculio have a talent for causing drama where it otherwise shouldn't be. I took a short time off this wiki and now that I have returned I see nothing has changed at all with Ariyen, I don't know about Erasculio. Drama on the internet is stupid, so don't cause it unless you want to troll the site. No offense ofcourse! --Super Igor 21:45, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Hush, helps none to add to this you two. I hope that if Gares reads for him to respond with a new section. For Venom to respond to gares's page on this if he wishes. I'm removing to keep from people adding more Drama to this (Its' a discussion not what you all are making it out to be - leave it alone...) . Remember, not to attack the contributor, but to contribute to the content (positively). If you can't, just hush... Ariyen 07:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Lawl

I was looking through my contribs and saw our grammar challenge on the RFA page. I laughed. ~ Bow | 05:02, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, btw lol. I was like Argh @ myself. My morning didn't start off great. So, yea you were right. I just wished I'd paid better attention! Lol - bad me. Ariyen 05:42, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

When the time comes...

I don't know, but I kinda like the 3 on one side, 2 on the other appearance (its more abstract...but idk). Anyway, what if we put the featured article as the only thing on the top...I'll put it on my sandbox idea and see how it turns out :D Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 20:06, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like an interesting idea. ^.^ Ariyen 21:38, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

ARG!! My wiki abilities have relapsed x.x...stupid blanking programming camp...anyway i'll work on it...but if you want a preview, ull probably have to do it urself...I'm still (re)learning wiki coding :D Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 21:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Awe. you can just look at coding of other items/pages, etc. as a go by. I do ^.^ that's what helps me to learn. Ariyen 21:48, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

hi

i don't know anything about your dramaz but i feel compelled to say you have an awesome taste in BUTTERFLIES.

The ones that are in your flashy black/blue gif are awesome.

goodbye Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 07:52, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. You're welcomed to use any of them, if you'd like. Ariyen 07:53, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Assume Good Faith; more importantly, how to assume good faith.

I know you love to hide behind AGF (codified or not) when people pick apart your often shitty reasoning. In fact, given how much you've thrown up AGF as a defense, I would think that you would be a bit of an expert at assuming good faith. But damn, you've proven me wrong in that regard. "This is not positive and so I ask you two to stop this and please work towards positive." What? Are you saying that I am disrupting the discussion for the sake of disrupting it and to stall the process? That's pretty much how you interpret your telling me to "work towards positive" (implying that I am negative)
I also take issue with the implication that I am sequestering other users' rights to edit, or, more properly, their right to be bold on this wiki with "Apparently it's not known [yada yada] that people should give others a chance at "being bold"". If I were feeling particularily butthurt, I'd shout NPA.
I do not have a problem with other people "being bold". However, being a human, I am entitled to the right of disliking the result of their being bold. --Riddle 04:15, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm archiving this personal attack. Do this again and I will report you to the Admin Board. I don't have to listen to this nor answer. So I am archiving, end of this discussion. Ariyen 04:20, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Taggin redirects for deletion

Hi! I've notice you tagged some redirect pages for deletion. You tagged the redirect pages for the talk pages I tagged for deletion. Now let me explain you why I did that.

I tagged the talk pages only because I dont think someone will come and search on wiki for lets say "Talk:Ancient Dragons". Will more likely search for "Ancient Dragons". Therefore a redirect from Anciend Dragons is still needed, but a redirect from Talk:Ancient Dragons is unnecessary and redundant. I hope it's clear now.--Sharkinu 07:18, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I think more than anything that it's far fetched *shrugs* But that's just me. I think it'd be better to do Ancient Dragon. Ariyen 16:53, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

DRAMA

WHERE IS IT ALL COMING FROM?! D: --Naoroji 16:56, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Dumbness and boredom? That'd be my guess. :3 --Super Igor 17:24, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I'd say NPA to that Igor, but the policy doesn't exist yet. xD - Infinite - talk 17:33, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

No, I'm serious, all I know is that drama has happened while I was gone. I don't even know what it was about *Sobs* I'm a sad cookie D': --Naoroji 17:44, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Drama occured when Ariyen conflicted in the mutual love between Konig and Eras. =D - Infinite - talk 17:45, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Sigh, can we please not take this road again? That is just low and it will not bring us everywhere. Go find something other to do.. -- Cyan 18:02, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Does that mean I can go around this Wiki calling everyone names and not get banned? :D --Super Igor 18:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

In all essence it does, but grandfathered sysops have brains and common sense, so I wouldn't risk it. - Infinite - talk 18:07, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Really? Oh snap! Btw, Naoroji is a sad cookie, let's cheer him up with a group hug! --Super Igor 18:08, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikihuuuuug! (As if.) - Infinite - talk 18:09, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Anyway, in my first comment I was talking in general terms, sorry if it looked like it was pointed towards anyone specific. Drama fests usually occur when people are being dumb/bored (or when the trolls are at work). --Super Igor 18:20, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

That's enough, gentlemen. The only thing this conversation is doing is agitating other users. Drama is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The more you talk about it, the more it occurs. So take it off the wiki or drop it. 22:55, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

My character template

I didn't even see you post here. I should just redirect all my talk pages in my user space to my main talk page. At least then I would know what was going on :P. Anyways, here is what I was attempting to accomplish. Before I was using a NavFrame block which isn't supported on this wiki. So I had to scrap the page and try to redesign it as a table. It's not 100% what I would like, but at least the code is now doing what it was meant to do. The last step is to make the titles stretch the entire length of the character box. Venom20 03:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Congrats. Hope you can get them the length of the box. Ariyen 05:41, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

You too, my sincerest

Apologies. You were backing up Venom not only for his ideas, but also my ruthless behaviour. It was uncalled for and thus I apologize to you as well. I also felt rather guilty for spiking the nav discussions into flaming-levels. I'm sorry. I hope we can re-attempt to reach a good consensus. :) - Infinite - talk 23:35, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

It's okay. Happens to the best. Ariyen 23:42, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

You're cursed.

"Template talk:Playable races nav‎ (diff; hist) . . (+666) . . Ariyen" I'm afraid to read what you wrote... -- Konig/talk 08:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Ick. lol, I stayed at a place one time and saw that on the door. I wouldn't stay in that room. LOL, It is creepy. Ariyen 16:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Cool superstition Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 22:36, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to wiki!

Second time's a charm! ♥ — Raine Valen 22:43, 3 Sep 2010 (UTC)

Lol. You are right... I never did get a welcome when I first posted here. Thank you. Ariyen 23:13, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

You didn't D: BLASPHEMY! *puts up a terrible hand-made sign with "Sorry for the wait, Welcome!" on it* -- Konig/talk 00:43, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Neh, had a guy who didn't like me moving the gww (this article has an article on gww type) related signs to a better location - you can read my 2009 archive. It's not pretty, but it and many other reasons are why I think a good amount of policies are needed. Not just two small short ones, nor the big ones, but an in-between that'd solve issues either way... Ariyen 02:34, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Regarding writing style

→ moved from User talk:JonTheMon

With all due expect, Ariyen, you should leave the sentence and grammar fixing of official articles, like wiki policies, to people that are capable of forming coherent, grammatical sentences every time they write one. And please don't try and claim that it's 'just your style'; there are people here from all over North America (and the world), and you're the only one whose writing I have to read several times over before being able to understand it. Many of your sentences end up as fragments, have missing objects in their predicates, or are incoherent. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but it's clear that I'm not the only one that feels this way. --★KOKUOU★ 18:04, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree... To be honest I find reading the terms and agreements on credit cards, other legal documents, and scientific journal articles a much easier read than what you write. Your writing gives me a headache, and I don't mean any disrespect, I'm sure you write beautifully in your native tongue. --Lania 18:22, 09 September 2010 (UTC)

You know, both of you have absolutely done something wrong? Yea, it's called attacking me aka "discrediting" my views and how I write, despite it's in my own way and my own style. I know you both mean well in what you say. Next time, do this via email and not here. However, you don't attack someone on their writing, background, etc. Please to both of you, don't do this again. You, Lania, did this on gww and you caused the drama. Not me. So, leave me alone you two and let the sysops, etc. handle this after all this is on Jon's page and that's who I'm asking. I hope to hear Jon's response, not your two negative responses on going after me the user and not the content. Ariyen 19:04, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Ariyen, I don't really care about your style of writing (just don't expect me to understand everything what you actually want to say), but please; as it is obvious that your writing style differs from others, don't try to educate those on exactly that.. poke | talk 19:27, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

It wasn't meant to be an insult. I just think that you should use your talent on things other than correcting grammar, and sentence structure. It was not an attempt to discredit your contributions either. In the same way, I would not be qualified to correct Japanese grammar even though I am able to read and write at least at the JLPT-3 level and speak almost natively, because I don't have the knowledge base to understand the intricacies and the peculiarities of Japanese grammar. --Lania 19:49, 09 September 2010 (UTC)

I understand, but I know from experience of traveling across country that we all do learn some things differently in areas. For me, I may not type the proper way, but I write in my own way and style - the way I'd talk as this is a talk page and not an article in a newspaper, magazine, etc. No one is perfect in their typing skills, but they can offer suggestions, etc. so to tell someone to stop contributing there and do other things is an insult and a discredit as well as disrespectful. Just understand that while they may not be perfect, they mean well.

I'm sorry I give you a headache, but this wiki is not to discuss your personal feelings on me (the contributor) as you have just described. This wiki is not a social place - it is to document contents of the game. If you have personal problem with someone, either email them or take it to their talk page and then off wiki. This is not the right talk page either for what you and Kokuou did. It is very disrespectful to the user's talk page and that user. I do not wish to continue this on this talk page or wiki. I have available other means for personal concerns, etc. Ariyen 20:10, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Babies

Premature babies often die during or shortly after childbirth. 20:50, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I was 3 months premature and remain alive. Do I win? ShadowRunner 20:54, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

You win the right to live, I guess. 20:55, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

depends on how premature you are talking about

• Babies born at 23 weeks have a 17% chance of survival
• Babies born at 24 weeks have a 39% chance of survival
• Babies born at 25 weeks have a 50% chance of survival
• From 32 weeks onwards, most babies are able to survive with the help of medical Technology

[EPICure data] Venom20 20:56, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Quit picking my nits, nitpicker. 20:58, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Someone has to nit other people's picks with their internet math Venom20 21:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I was a premature baby so your conception of all that is wrong Felix. Ariyen 21:09, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I'll add this though. Painful as it is - My twin would have lived, if they had the incubator clean. Many survive now due to the improvements of technology. So, they don't often die with proper care. Ariyen 21:12, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Errr, how long did your twin live for? If (s)he died shortly after birth, why would it be painful for you to talk about it? --Naoroji 21:23, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

She caught ecoli from the incubator *sigh* she lived till the 9th, born on the 4th. I am a lot better now than I use to be about it all. Thankful for improvements and understanding of life, appreciating what I have compared to what I want and going more so for what I need. Living life as it should. I love my friends and family and I love who I am. Though, I'm not perfect - It makes me who I am. I can say that twins have a connection that to me, is unusual. Ariyen 22:08, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I can say what I did, because I know many that are born early and have been born early with in the past 5 years. It's (death rate of premature) lower than it use to be. Also know this due to information, such as asking in about 5 hospitals at least. Safety first was a concern for my little one. Cause one wouldn't want if possible to go to a hospital that's not equipped enough to handle some matters. Ariyen 22:13, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I send hugs... Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 23:07, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Revert war

You have made the same edit to Guild Wars 2 Wiki:Formatting/Images three times, and been reverted three times. If you do it again you will be blocked. I recommend discussing your opposition to the current phrasing on the article's talk page. 02:57, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Similar edits, but not the same. Look at the history better. Thanks! (Yea it helps to have tabs open for that.) Ariyen 09:41, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Similar or not, still counts as a revert. This and this are pretty much the same. And if we count this, you have removed the category and part of the first paragraph 3 times. If you think something should be changed discuss first on talk page. --Sharkinu 09:56, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

It's being talked about on the talk page. Maybe now if they consider this on that one - should be done on the bother. Both are formatting both are mentioned on other page. Makes sense really. I think some are just trying to jump the gun on things. For the most part, you don't add in what's being discussed that's a general rule on any wiki, but I think too many either don't know this or forget. It should not be added until solved as well. We even did this type thought on the article being displayed on front page back over on gww. Makes sense right? Ariyen 17:13, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Sincere apologies

With applying to colleges and what not I've been extremely busy for the past while.

I've responded here. As it's just shy of being a month late I don't expect a response from you, just letting you know. A F K When Needed 18:38, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

It's cool. I plan to go back to college when my baby girl does start *sniffles* school, but that is only if we could afford it by then. I'm not too sure if I want to do online again, despite the ease for me when I worked... It's much harder than actual school.Ariyen 18:53, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Content vs person

This was an excellent example of talking about content and not the person. It pointed out that your action of double posting was in error. --JonTheMon 19:15, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but the other wasn't. Thank you for pointing out the obvious. Ariyen 19:20, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

What "other" wasn't? --JonTheMon 19:21, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Nothing. Confused, aren't you? Poke did not read my message when Pling stated the same thing. So it was redundant and was directed at the person, not the content. I was indicating in my words of the move (read the context of the content) of the discussion and had already continued it over there which was not being noticed by poke that there were more discussions on General than image and had not looked at the history/time stamps, before he stated such. (Obvious, hm?) So, that's why I did what I did. The content of the discussion was already moved from one to the other. I only did each, because of the template of see talk. I just wanted to state reason in each and had hoped all would be moved to one in a nicer manner, but it was still taken care of, before poke posted. Ariyen 19:28, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Also, I'd like to point out that it's not polite to have a comment pointed out, when the person needs to pay better attention to the discussion. It helps to look and learn and consider the whole, before pointing out a comment that basically takes care of both move suggestions (making the moves unnecessary as I was only suggesting, due to formatting it's self). Thank you. Ariyen 19:31, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

So who exactly is now mixing up “content vs person”? Please do not try to imply what someone else did or thinks when doing something. Especially when you believe it is “obvious”, although it obviously isn't.

In fact I did look at the general formatting page first, and then saw that you posted exactly the same discussion on the image formatting talk page (hence my comment about “copy[ing] and past[ing] the exact section introduction” there). I was fully aware that the discussion was not supposed to continue on the image formatting talk page, which is also why I supported exactly that there again. I merely explained the reasoning for not having two discussions, after you showed incomprehension of the issue, by trying to defend your decision (to post it twice), and especially after ending your comment with a question if we are really going to continue the discussion there (followed by a smiley that expresses confusion in my understanding). If that was not the case then please think about how you write your comments as it does not make discussion with you easy if you contradict yourself every second comment. I suggest you to actually pay more attention to what you write, instead of worrying about other's reasonings when they try to resolve your confusion. poke | talk 19:42, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I understand your reasoning, but things were already taken care of. There was no need for such. My question on image talk was only directed at pling. and I'd have done the same in going okay, will continue all discussions on general formating. Nothing more. Secondly, I do not contradict myself, I only give out suggestions and it may seem like I do, but I don't. I prefer not to continue this discussion here, but in email if needs be. I am tired of people taking things out of context and If anyone has a problem with how I write. I suggest for it to be taken to email. I am archiving this discussion as to me it's only complaints now. Nothing, supportive or really helpful. End of discussion. Ariyen 19:51, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

This is the talk page for the community to talk with you, and last time I checked, e-mail doesn't work for that. And the biggest reason I started this section was due to your implication that poke was breaking the (non-existant) NPA policy. Oh, and re: "Nothing. Confused, aren't you?", drop the condescension. --JonTheMon 21:18, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I have email this link enabled. I also have my email available - using captcha and I am fixing to have my yahoo and msn available. It can work for personal issues without a disruption. My implication was not Npa, but the spirit of a wiki of which seems to be forgotten now. So, I'm not the one with Condescension. There is such thing as trying to be a bit playful of which so many and I mean most don't take too kindly to. It's all so serious. It's just a wiki for crying out loud, but it seems like we are forgetting... the most things I feel is the best of a wiki. Yes, I know respect is earned, but it is also given. It's a catch 22. To earn it, you must give it. To give it, you must earn it. My issue right now is the people who seem to hold grudges from me from gww and won't let go and that basically fits most that are here from gww. I'm not kidding. I know you don't like me and that goes for several more. All of this and that in the archive, "It's not positive, despite that it's in the best of intentions." A wiki community, in my opinion, should be a team. Should work together if possible that's where consensus comes from right? The end result of what is decided on. Not to question one's grammar, intensions, etc. that's about like questioning on one's faith. I'd question on several if I did that and I'd get banned. Hell, talk about questionings. I only did what I did, because hell when I've moved something that'd made sense. I had gotten jumped on for even moving it, because I should have gotten consensus. So, I'm curious as to why the moves were made with the formatting before consensus and why all of this wasn't discussed. Half of us get jumped on for doing some things like even navs, etc. and yet you all think you're privileged and I get jumped on for this crap? Seriously, Favoritism is old. Get consensus before doing major things like moving main articles, etc. BEFORE Moving them that has very little to do with article naming or that Gw2w pp. It'd been better than me having to have done what I did. Hell, If I did the moves - would I have been blessed out anyway? Yep. So, stop making this a big deal and this goes for Poke, etc. I'm tired of being a guinea pig. You guys think your special. No wonder gww is pathetic and no wonder half of this is already getting that way as some like to start drama or question when that's not positive or even assuming good intentions. This has nothing to do with policies that don't exist. This has everything to do with common sense. Seriously, the games are getting old and I'm not tolerating any of it. If any typical user can't do a move or navs and have people fussing and they're suppose to get consensus. What makes it right for the rest of you? It's not your wiki. It's the wiki for the community by the community and don't forget that. Seems like some of you are and so I have had 3 now jump on me for my wordings, for my way of doing things. Get off my back. Stop questioning me and question your own selves for once. It may be your own self that's the problem as to why you can't understand me. I may be fine with grammar, and not great with sentence structure, but as long as the Content of it all is understood - doesn't that matter? No one is perfect. Stop making me out like I ought to be, because I know no one else is. Now, do you see why I wanted this archived? Ariyen 15:00, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Thoughts

Seriously, isn't it better to get consensus to decide what to do with all of the formatting sections as we did with Policy? To make things go right, instead of the messes that was really not started by me (well the talks and all yes, but I wasn't the one who moved them and made a mess instead of taking to the talk of PP or even Formating of how the imaging or article should be named or even if formating should be there - where things should be linked. So, stop making as if I'm the bad guy. I'm not. I will leave this up for one day and I am archiving, because I DO NOT want to continue this discussion any more. I will with new topics, but not if they're directed at the way I type, my conduct, etc., because to me that's negative even if meant in the best of intentions or ways. I knew there'd be someone wiki lawyering saying oh that's not right, we don't use those policies (npa, etc.). It's still in the intent and covered on pp (aka in spirit, with that paragraph on attacks, etc.). Maybe anyone who thinks this way (the way I was just told), should read Wiki's pages that's linked as well. Now, do you all see why I was for the Code of Conduct instead that I felt this would happen? Yea, your own faults, not mine. The we don't need policies, etc., to govern us is crap and I am not going to stress again that we'd have issues that having one page is too little, and having a lot of policies is too much. That if we had just a few pages. That would have been enough. You wouldn't have what you see on this talk, you wouldn't have crap happening that is. You'd have people making suggestions, before implementing and they'd implement with consensus. Half of what has happened, has happened without consensus. Is that fair to the community as a whole? I seriously wonder if anyone thought about it all or if this pp was just like okay this will do. I have a few questions, did anyone really think with the rules or guidelines or even a page to show spirit on what would best benefit? Or was people tired of trying to find a consensus with pages that gw2w:pp was created just to satisfy and not worry about what was really needed? I do hope it satisfies, but I don't see it satisfying a lot of problems and personal issues with people as that is all kinds of biased. I am warey, because I know how unfair sysops can be. I'd like some things implemented (If someone writes up a good article that'd help too) to make sure we'd have the right sysops for this gw2w and honestly different ones and some of the same ones, but people we'd know to be fair. To judge on how many b-crats we'd actually need and pick the right ones for that. Same with sysops. I am not for seeing a lot of inactives that got grandfathered here. One of the questions with that is - did they want it? To me, that was more like you were sysop there so you're sysop here and no questions asked. I don't find that quite appealing. Most places, even those without rules, nominate or get people that want to help, would use the tools as an asset and not as an authority. Sure, sysops are to help defend vandalism, etc. but that to me is not the definition of one. The definition is what I described of what a sysop should be (and more), "A person that'd use tools as an asset and not as an authority". To me, you should be able to delete pages when it's vandalism, moved, consensus decided, or inactive (with main page up for deletion) and if inactive wait a week at most and see if anyone would object. For pages in particular; user page - 3 days, main page - a week. Rollback when there's vandalism, ban someone only if... 1. They are a pure intentional vandal 2. they do break rules, such as being nothing but an obvious troll causing only problems (like cussing, calling people names, and threats). I have an idea of how to do... not an arbcom, but how to handle someone, like my case over on gww. I am working on it offline as well.
Things that are potential and needed is what I feel would be best. I try to do things and be honest about things. If I feel I could help - I'd try. I didn't help with the skills stuff - I did give very little ideas. I helped with things and I do try to help with things that I feel related to, that I've dealt similarly with. There's not big differences between webpages such as communities, forums, sms to play by email, irc, im, etc. even with trolls and the like. You would find a good bit of that in many places, just some areas are able to handle things better and easier than others. Some attract some bots, trolls, etc. than others. So to say that it's not hard to take care of things individually... I think we're missing what Infinite was pointing out... and I feel certain we are... I plan to basically say it.
We are missing the core values of the differences between trolls, contributors, disruptive people, and the like because of our own individual thinking minds and so we'd have problems/issues.
For example, Say you have a contributor who helped with fixing up a few sites, but they don't have great communication skills. Trolls spy this, they start baiting. Sysop sees user as problem, ban time.
You won't see what I did in a few groups, but I'm going to describe a bit as to what happened in one of many star trek type groups (I left, because gw is my new adventure - st finally got old, still a fan, but no new ideas yet). We had a section called Jag, our form of sysops to handle such issues and we've had issues (hell, I was threatened to get a restraining order - when I've never been to that state). The majority would be the core people that manages the game, for that one it was the team within the game that tried not get involved, but investigated and they continued to do so, even when they removed me (they still had problems). It took them to realize the real culprits and one of them was one of their very own staff that use to help solve these issues, etc and was great at it. They removed him, despite his goodness of bans and getting rid of other problematic people... he was an issue. He was a great friend too (to many of us). Things happens and there are things that can happen anywhere. I was apologized and asked to join back, but nope I felt too many would still blame me. They have a game that's individual and I'm in that. No one blamed me, it's the past and best left behind, not to easily hold grudges and they didn't with my style of typing. I could really annoy the hell and confuse worse with my typing. Like entering during sentences to make it look like a small paragraph.
I have given a lot worse headaches, but with little to no complaints. See, most of them read the context and took their time to understand, not jump down another's throat on writing or make it a big issue as to why someone did things. They also handled things well, like problems, but did not consider themselves any higher than any other individual or user. They've had trolls, spam, disruption, etc. and handled it well by not only looking at the contributor, but content, the history of it all, etc. They took in (and this was incredible) a lot, basically every single useful information to judge on what they should do with that person. They had a good system, everyone worked together, had each other's backs and had the whole group behind them. They had trust, loyalty, unity, commitment, and faith
Here, I am only expressing what I have learned in with my concerns, basically to get you to know me. Not to analyze me, that's not right to do and it's just assumptions. I hope this helps eventually to clear some things up. Any related personal type questions (even on conduct of me), I'd prefer it in email. Reason for this... While, I like being honest... I don't like people getting involved when they shouldn't and so if someone questions. It's best for me to get them to understand better without others interrupting so they could go okay . even if they may not agree with me or have a problem still. As long as there's an understanding. I'm cool with things.
I never meant to be hostile and while my stubbornness (yea, I got that...) may seem like such. I hope I can try to be more reasonable than I seem. I care and sometimes I can care too much and easily get offensive. I'm a girl, not a guy. x-) While things, may seem off track. I apologize, but that's why I named it thoughts as subtitle. I just wanted to share without getting too offensive and be a problem. For you all to better handle me or know how I think. Where I come from and why. Ariyen 15:00, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Wall of text crits for over 9000!! --Super Igor 11:20, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Request

Could you please try to wait at least 24 hours since the last post before archiving a talk page conversation? It makes it very difficult for people to follow when topics suddenly vanish. 20:37, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

they can look in the archives if they're that curious. I don't wish to talk about that period as I feel the conduct is not very nice and well a community type disruption I could say. It's not positive, despite that it's in the best of intentions. To me, it was a bit more towards me, the person's conduct, than just the conduct. It's basically questioning me, my judgement, my character, etc. and I prefer not to have that. I'm trying to keep from being irrational or ugly. Maybe I should change a bit differently, but I go with the ideas I have, whether they may contradict or not. A good bit of what I try to do is suggestions and a few questions that I question from within my mind. In most areas (except gw2w and gww), I've never been questioned on my writing style, even on fb. So, I prefer to have things like my writing syle or the way I do things off the wiki. I accept suggestions better off wiki. I've done stated this before in another discussion about having things like this on the wiki, being moved off, to contact me via other means, etc.. So, I'm having it archived. Not the first time either. I'm trying not to be hostile about all of this, but I prefer not to have things escalate into being bigger. Sorry. Ariyen 02:32, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Block

"I keep being told I'm wrong and I know I'm right. I've done a lot of things similar on many communities, etc. that I know what I'm doing." is entirely the wrong attitude to bring to the wiki. It is not appropriate to remove a delete or copyvio tag until there is a consensus and especially not appropriate to revert war over it, nor is it appropriate to use "Then get an actual account" to dismiss another editor. Accusing someone of personal attacks whenever they criticize your behavior on the wiki is a subversion of the very concept and frankly a red herring. You've been advised and warned repeatedly about disruptive actions on the wiki, and your behavior remains completely unchanged, so hopefully a block will give you some time to reconsider and take those warnings and advice to heart. If not, look forward to further blocks. - Tanetris 18:36, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Past all lé shite

I still like you on the wiki :3 --Neil • 14:46, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi there!

Welcome back! Venom20 03:28, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. What color do you suggest to use for tables for miniatures? Similar to the ones on gww? (I've got an idea in mind). Ariyen 09:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

You mean like these Miniature tables? Hmm, I would go with a light blueish perhaps. I don't really know, it's been pointed out that I choose colours poorly. ;) Venom20 14:31, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking of a tan type color, but that's not too "orange". Ariyen 17:36, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

maybe green? :D ? --The Holy Dragons 17:45, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't want it to look like main page. Ariyen 19:12, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Lost

I have no idea how my font got to being so small outside the user space. I can't quit figure out what code is doing that or how to fix it... I'm talking about the list under the icon on the left side and the top row of tabs like edit, view, history, etc. The problem is on my user page, not user talk. -.- Ariyen 23:43, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

I fixed it. Figured out it was the collapsible type stuff. Apparently, can't put one in with another. Ariyen 00:15, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Comma discussion

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/index.php?title=Form&diff=92212&oldid=92201
That Kyoshi removed the comma and just the comma, doesn't mean it was done 'randomly'. That comma shouldn't be there, it's grammatically incorrect; neither does that sentence need a 'pause', neither does a comma actually function like that, unless you're chatting or w/e. --Naoroji 22:44, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

I seem to have missed the discussion on the actual page's talkpage :D. --Naoroji 22:46, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Glad you found the discussion on the talk page, it is a more appropriate place to discuss a comma. Venom20 01:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I would rather you guys had brought this to the other page. Thanks! Ariyen 03:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Halloween

Happy Halloween all. I don't think the main page edit will be fixed for this year or the main page displaying a Halloween theme, but maybe next year. I've got a new game to participate in - so my time here will be 0 for a bit. -.- Gonna miss my friends here. Maybe more constructive things will happen with gw2 that would allow people like me and others to help better. I do find it amusing that most that complain - are the least in participation. ;-) Ariyen 00:04, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

The term sadface comes to mind. :( But anyway, have fun... Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 00:09, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Wish you could join Forsaken World with me. :-) Ariyen 00:12, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Happy Halloween!!!! Mwhahahahaha... Venom20 01:36, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Happy Halloween Ariyen ^^ --The Holy Dragons 15:56, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

You're right

I'm not from America; I'm from Canada and my first language is English. I also graduated university with a degree in linguistics, a subject where we pick apart grammar (among other components of language) scientifically, which requires a deep understanding of things like appositives, main clauses, subordinate clauses, relative clauses, and so on. I also translate from Japanese to English for a living, which also requires intimate knowledge of grammar. So no, I'm not from the U.S., but I in fact do know what I'm talking about. Also, saying that I don't know you really means nothing, since I don't have to know you to know that you're using punctuation incorrectly. On another note, please refrain from telling people to stop contacting you. Your decision to be part of this community gives us the right to contact you (even if it's telling you you're wrong), at least on the wiki. If you wish not to be contacted here, then stop contributing. If you choose to continue to contribute here, then be prepared for your edits to be edited mercilessly by others (as it notes on every edit page at the bottom). --★KOKUOU★ 06:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

There is absolutely nothing inappropriate about Kokuou's post. As you can see, he is a certified expert in linguistics. You called his knowledge into question, so you must deal with the consequence of being wrong. I don't blame him at all for coming off as brusque. If you told people I don't know shit about programming I'd be pissed too.

I've seen you get into arguments about grammar and punctuation time and again, and you have invariably been wrong. I don't know why your brand of English is so unique, but there can be absolutely no disputing that it's not the same language the rest of us use. I realize it hurts to see that, but it's the undeniable truth. If you want to do something about it, take a writing class at an accredited institution. If you don't, then I have to ask, for the good of the wiki, that you refrain from making grammatical changes to articles and concede to other editors when your grammar is disputed. If you do not, you will most likely be blocked, and there will be nothing that I or any other sympathetic party can do about it.

On a lighter note, I'll be playing Forsaken World with my old RageQuit pals and two closer friends. I'm thinking I'll make a Marksman, but I really hate having to buy and carry ammo, so if that's a game mechanic I might go with a Protector instead. 09:24, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Agreed with FelixOmni - Koukou did nothing wrong. Ariyen has a very... unique?... view of the situation. I would advise Ariyen to cut it out though, this much drama over stupid shit is ridiculous. If this was a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence I'd think less of it, but it seems to be the norm with Ariyen. -Auron 09:39, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Beta 1 starts on the 27th - did you all get in? 72.148.31.114 10:19, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Amazing how your edits change between the time I read them and the time I log in to comment.... I believe you know that no one is "threatening" to edit your userspace, and saying that just makes you look foolish. It is very clear they are speaking of your mainspace contributions, and I would agree with Felix that from the time you started contributing on GWW, your grammar has been constantly called into question by other experienced editors. You need to just get over it, allow them to correct your grammatical mistakes without comment and move on. -- Wyn talk 10:24, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

That's what I'd like, instead of criticism... I prefer help, as I'm not perfect on grammar. Ariyen 10:40, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Then I have to wonder why you would insist on being right in a grammatical argument. In any case, if you're going to get confrontational about things you even admit you're not an expert in, calling you out as wrong is about the best "help" anyone can give you, regrettably. --ஸ ķ̌yǾshĺ 13:20, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Also, Ariyen, if I were you I would stop mentioning the word 'drama' time and time again whenever you're in a discussion. Because whenever you're in a discussion, you're just that; in a discussion. It doesn't say anything about there being 'drama', but by naming it as such, you're creating it (And your stubbornness helps too :)). --Naoroji 13:31, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Ima stick up for a friend here. Everyone above in this section, apart from naoroji, are fags.Walls of nerdrage from people who are only aiming to piss others off bores me. Ariyen maybe wrong, but everyone has their own viewpoint. Ariyen got bullied off GWW and clearly doesnt want to go back. im more or less clueless on the majority of the argument here, but, If you dont like reading something, visitors to Ariyens talkpage&userpage, Simply, Fuck off.because NPA is so overated anyway.. --Neil • 14:55, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

omg neil shut up you dumb whore--neshot. 15:04, 27 October 2010.

(Edit conflict) "im more or less clueless on the majority of the argument here" <-- this. I see your hidden comment, and rise to it anyway dude. Also, regardless of your stance that is WAY more insulting then it needs to be. ShadowRunner 15:05, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

I can't believe people are still talking about this. A letter to the community as a whole: Let it go. The parties involved appear to have moved on, why does everyone feel the need to poke and prod? Boredom? Venom20 15:11, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes.--neshot. 15:14, 27 October 2010.

And while I'm adding a section warning Ariyen about personal attacks, I get edit-conflicted by other people adding personal attacks to the above discussion... Neil, Oneshot, enjoy your bans. Anyone else adding those sorts of comments on either side can expect the same. - Tanetris 15:15, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Personal attacks

I'd like to state, completely aside from the grammar argument in general, "you're not from America, so you don't know" is completely unacceptable. This is exactly the sort of ad hominem attack that every variation of NPA, from the policies on other wikis and the explicit mention in our own Practices and Processes, is specifically intended to prevent. Consider this your first and final warning on this subject. If I see anything like that comment again, expect to lose your editting privileges for quite awhile. - Tanetris 15:15, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Re: Your email

I appreciate your apology, so thank you for that.
That said, I edit GWW/GW2W in my spare time, so don't expect me to provide weblinks or any other evidence beyond, perhaps, a casual example on talk pages (and even then, likely only in the case that something is disputed by several editors). It is neither my job nor desire to educate someone about the inner workings of the English language each time they make an error. This is not me being hostile; I am simply stating how I intend to interact with you going forward.
As for why I'm responding to you here and not through email: there's nothing in it that you haven't already stated here (beyond the apology), so I figured this was an appropriate venue for my response.
--★KOKUOU★ 20:29, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm sorry again, about my grammar errors, but I am stubborn. X-) I've seen several other errors as well in talk, etc., but I think more of it as that some people are trying to make their points across and not paying that much to the proper usage. There are better ways though; nicer ways to point out poor grammar, than being blunt or even negative - whether right or not... I don't expect a response, but then I'm taking some more days off from here to do other things. Hope you had a good halloween! :-) Ariyen 19:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Halloween rant

About this... If your intentions were to talk about a Halloween theme for 2011, why would you want to put it in a discussion about a proposed 2010 topic that died? It would make far more sense to begin a new topic with a more accurate topic than just "Halloween". While I agree that the page perhaps was archived prematurely (because the page was not lengthy), I agree that the topics were dead and as such the had archiving potential. You made mention to wanting to suggest a Christmas theme, perhaps a more suitable name for the theme would be seasonal, seeing as how not everyone is christian. I will also agree with you that removing it out of archiving is silly, I will however voice my opinion that this is also silly and has gone on longer than needed. "We do rely on editcopy and editcopy talk... We rely on the talk to help fix the copy...we rely on the copy to help make changes to the main", the conversations are all still there (archived). As a friend, if you want to suggest something, start a new topic if an older one has been archived. It isn't worth getting all riled. Venom20 19:54, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I had to really reread your msg to see what you meant. My Halloween section on my user page is more-so a personal view of halloween and well more so my feelings towards my intentions and how it all turned upside down... how Aggravated I was... My talk on the Archiving on editcopy... is actually more-so the focus of how I feel things should be taken with archiving. I hope the two don't get easily mixed or confused. I just used Halloween as an example on what I'd done with archiving, had it been me on the talk of editcopy. I hope this explains everything. Ariyen 06:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

"perhaps a more suitable name for the theme would be seasonal, seeing as how not everyone is christian." Wintersday. --ஸ Kyoshi 14:53, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

True. I was referring more to wintersday. I hope they keep that for gw2. Ariyen 18:44, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Userpage image

You might want to have that lead somewhere :) ShadowRunner 18:46, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I still am not sure where. I keep switching my thoughts from my user main to my user talk. Ariyen 18:49, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Could compromise and have it un-clickable? ShadowRunner 18:54, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

You're welcomed to fix that. On the phone atm with At&t...So, can't get myself distracted much right now. :-( Ariyen 19:01, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Done! ShadowRunner 19:09, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Ty. Ariyen 20:55, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Your GW1 Monk

Fast Faction Farms aren't dead at all, you know? - Infinite - talk 18:53, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm listening. More info? Ariyen 18:54, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build%3ATeam_-_DTSC_Kurzick_FFF and http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build%3ATeam_-_MQSC_Luxon_FFF_Monkway - Infinite - talk 19:00, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

btw, pvx moved to a new area... ya know? Ariyen 19:05, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes I do, but these were still bookmarked when I started typing FFF. :P - Infinite - talk 18:27, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Love the banner. xD

Well, if that(File:User Ariyen Guild Elite Mercenaries Of Abaddon Banner.jpg|100px) banner is possible to be built in-game (as in Aion, sorta) then I'd deffo want to join just for that! ^.^ 19:58, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

lol I had a hard time for a short bit to join. They are always full with a waiting list, etc. But I'm sure you could get in one of the ally guilds. :-) Btw, that's guild wars, not Aion. Ariyen 22:28, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Texmod. --Neil • 17:39, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Instead of...

just doing whatever you want with the main page...why don't you read the conversation (short as it may be) here? Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 00:17, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Um, maybe you should check on that conversation too? It needed a full revert, not an edit on a repeat of a line that basically in so many words is already stated. Thanks! Ariyen 00:20, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Wikis are run on discussion, not a single user choosing that their answer is correct (especially when it is being discussed) and then ripping apart a new user who was editting in good faith. Things like that are reasons we don't get many new users. Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 00:52, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Assumptions, assumptions. Please the topic of said user (questioning their entry, as they should have taken their suggestion to the main page edit talk instead - that's where many discussions of ideas or what thinking of on changes, before changes occure). Secondly, my answer being correct? No, reverted it back to what was there before his/her edit, until it was discussed to change it or let it stay as was. (before adding an un-necessary edit that more than one has mentioned). I am going to move this to the main page talk page, where it belongs in the first place. Thank you. Ariyen 03:48, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

→ moved from Talk:Main_Page/editcopy#Instead_of...

Less hostile plzkthx. Your edit comment was unnecessarily hostile and you could have simply pointed out the discussion or mentioned consensus building. Oh, and what's up with your indentation on Rhonin's page? --JonTheMon 14:52, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

The editcopy is for people to suggest changes by editing it. What Rhonin did was perfectly fine - it did not need reverting on the grounds that it should have been discussed first, because it did not need to be discussed first. It was an extremely small change.

Ariyen, I think I'll have to ask you to stop reverting things. Time and time again, you've misunderstood how reverts are to be applied, then replied with hostility when others try to correct you. To me, it's clear that this tool should not be in your hands. pling 18:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Reverting to the original, removing a repeatable that even in above discussion disagree with anyway? How bizarre, really. By the way pling, telling someone to not "revert" is basically being against "being bold", etc. on a wiki and negative towards users. If I'm being told that I'm negative. I'm pointing out where you are too and I wouldn't recommend not telling someone to not do something as that only encourages hostility, vandalism, etc. I only reverted back to the original, until people write out (as seen above) a way to make it better. @Jon, I was never being "hostile" . Read text better plz, thx (btw. plz and thank you are ways to show it's not 'hostlie'.) 72.148.31.114 21:11, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

And how were your comments to Rhonin and your edit summary They need to read sentence, before adding that but crap non-hostile? --JonTheMon 21:50, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

If hostile, it would have been written worse like Personal attacking, etc. Hence, person, not content. Hostility is more so attacks and being nasty like more than one revert, etc. To me, there's a difference, between being honest, bold, questioning, and being pure nasty/hostile.... If I wanted to be a *b***** /hostile... That's how I'd done it, but I tried to write in a better way without being purely ugly, and believe me I was thinking worse... I refrained. However, this is getting off track from editcopy. We're here to talk about the content, not people. 72.148.31.114 22:00, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Strange that you moved it here, then, since it was entirely about your behavior. --ஸ Kyoshi 22:17, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm confused where to place my next comment as it doesn't pertain to the edit copy, but it pertains to this conversation :S. Just to clairify things, hostile can mean not friendly, warm, or generous; not hospitable. It depends on how it is taken, but the opening phrase from this edit can be viewed as hostile (the "hostile" portion has since been removed). In terms of the revert, there is nothing wrong in doing it per se, or I would have done it myself. But when an edit is made that is not purely vandalism it should first be discussed rather than an immediate reversion. I may continue this idea later, but presently I have a dog jumping at my arm because she is hungry. Venom20 23:47, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree, and if I'm being hostile... I'd like to point out many others who have not been "friendly, etc." with some on here as well... I don't like being jumped at and called things, when people should either look at themselves or do this to others who have done the same thing. I really don't see how someone could have problems with me reverting back to what was there. I didn't add anything or change anything differently than what was there before Rhonin. I questioned him as Kyoshi stated as well (Which was what the guy really needed to learn himself, not for someone to tell him (babysit for him in other words) even when saying what I did was wrong.) the same thing, but in a way that basically tells me this person won't learn from. You guys do things that make me learn, what we can't do this to other people? Instead, we want to scream hostility? When it was in a question form (it's a question with ? and doesn't have to be in the perfect form of a question.) Ariyen 06:20, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I see no direct problem with the revert in and of itself. If you'd simply and politely told Rhonin that you disagree with the edit and asked him to discuss on this page, there would be no issue. The issue is in you calling his edit "but crap" and posting on his talk page in a way that implicitly accused him of doing something wrong, when there was still discussion going on over whether the edit was useful. Furthermore, prior to just now, you have only defended your actions with accusations that we are making undue assumptions, when in reality your notice on Rhonin's page and your defensive reaction to being questioned about the hostility suggest exactly the opposite.

Learning and questioning done correctly is fine. You quoted entire sentences twice over (four times including the part you removed, which you shouldn't have posted if you intended for it to not be there) and asked a user why something didn't seem obvious to them, an implicit insult to their intelligence, and asked whether they "seriously" (a very emphatic word the way you used it, often implying condescending disbelief) thought it was necessary. --ஸ Kyoshi 08:10, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I've moved this back here because it isn't about the editcopy specifically but about Ariyen's editing. Please leave it here. pling 16:44, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I Moved it, because it started off on editcopy, not my fault people made it into my editing that they can't understand. I plan to archive this by the 14th. If you have a problem, please start a new discussion (or keep your words to yourself) as this one will not be answered by me and anything more - I will report as trolling. 72.148.31.114 16:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Speaking as a sysop, you will not quick-archive it by the 14th. This is a legitimate concern about your attitude towards an editor acting in good faith and your edit on the editcopy. pling 17:58, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry... I'll wait and keep this as a lesson to learn from. Ariyen 19:37, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. pling 01:08, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Since you prefer it's not posted on editcopy

Hostility doesn't require personal attacks. Your wording when commenting on Rhonin's page was practically reprimanding him for adding that comment. You didn't even need to take it to his talk page at all, yet you went there and asked the same question of "why", over and over, like a parent scolding a child. (However, a mother scolding a son would eventually hug and say it was okay.) It was uncalled for, tactless, and completely in contrast to your comment about being bold when confronted about the change you made. If you have a right to be bold, then so does every other user. --ஸ Kyoshi 22:19, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Asking is not hostility and there was no scolding or reprimanding. I didn't say you shouldn't do this or that. Being a mom, I know better about scolding, etc. Also, I know better about hostility and where to draw the line. 72.148.31.114 23:13, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) I didn't say asking in and of itself was hostility. Just asking wasn't what you did. You beat a user over the head with the same repeated question in a small wall of text. If you didn't intend it to be hostile or overbearing, then it came across that way perfectly regardless and you need to watch your wording.

However, considering the way you defended your action, they way you spoke to Rhonin as if he/she were already judged, and that you said you were "thinking worse" things to say, I have a hard time believing you were acting in good faith. --ஸ Kyoshi 23:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Keep assuming. As so many of you misread text. Have you ever considered that the second part was rephrased better than first? Just I didn't really have the time to remove the first? (I intend to still, just haven't. rl and you all jumping on the ban-wagons as usual. 72.148.31.114 23:31, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I would like to drop any "assumptions" I have made, but you make it difficult to believe any semblance of defense that you provide when your only defense for the evidence I've brought against you is to tell me I'm assuming things about you. --ஸ Kyoshi 01:17, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I make it difficult? I'm not the one misreading, etc. taking in context into what they may not be. Ariyen 06:10, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

You're making it difficult by making all of the evidence of your motives in this issue (especially in your defensive reactions) point to venting or overreaction. Again, whether you intend to or not. --ஸ Kyoshi 07:58, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps we both are? I think in most situations. Things don't have to escalate and can be better left alone. It really does better. :-) After all, you're telling me I'm scolding, etc. I'm saying I'm not and I know how that stuff does. I am a mom. I don't think keeping on the "banwagon" is going to solve or do anything and keeping at it is only going to make things look bad. I should have made things "better" on that talk, but I was wondering why the edits and so I asked. I didn't think I was scolding or saying "no you can't do that, etc." As personally, when I do scold (just like now with little bit trying to get into something) I tell her no and explain why, no questioning her. 72.148.31.114 16:42, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Just being a mom doesn't make you an expert on hostility or scolding. Enough users have mentioned that it comes across as scolding and slightly hostile, so it would be in your best interest to figure out why that is the perception so you don't make the same mistake. --JonTheMon 17:50, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Also, I never mentioned bans (I assume that's what you mean by "banwagon"). First, what threat could I make? Second, I'm more concerned than angry about your upswing in perceived hostility lately. While I can't always figure out where you're going with your edits or comments, as best I can remember, you never struck back defending your actions as much as you've been doing lately on GW2W (except maybe at Eras, but he's kind of a magnet for that stuff). --ஸ Kyoshi 18:07, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Ah, no banwagon is basically going in with others at the same type stuff... Ya never made a threat, just that I felt like I was taken wrongly in my questions. I should have actually "quoted" the things I posted. and made them even more clear, but I didn't really have that time to type more, etc. :-( Damage is done. Sure, I should have left out the comment in the editcopy, but it is known that if it wasn't me. It'd been another who'd done that same revert on the page... It seemed clear to me that the original sentence was not thought out, before the edit... I think what Infinite did was better and is what we need to make things make more sense... Why I'm seemed lately of being "hostile" or "angry"? I don't know, but I feel it's just possibly the other's mindset...? To me, it's not quite so easy to read someone's writings... I do tend to be forward a bit at things, but I don't mean to be hostile or angry or anything. It's just if I feel strongly about something. I let it known and I like to try to understand people and things. If people don't agree. Okay. I'm not changing pages to fit to what I agree with. I prefer pages to be changed when it's a majority that agrees... Only reason on the edit, was because of redundancy (mentioning the original gw twice... didn't make sense to me at all.) and so I changed it back to original. I had a strong feeling consensus would resolve on either keeping original or something better (thankfully the later and was written in a way that was slightly clearer than the original). I don't try to edit on bad faith or to be a troll or cause disruption. I prefer in solving things, giving opinion,even if it may seem that it's my fact or that I may seem like I'm right. I know I 'm never "right". There is no right way on a wiki, there's just a way that'd work for most... 72.148.31.114 18:56, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

The word you're looking for is "bandwagon" then. Sorry, thought you were going for some kind of wordplay.

Redundancy is not the end of the world, nor is changing the editcopy page; most users will never even see it, and admins check it before pushing it to the main page. Regardless of the severity of the edit, unless it's flat-out vandalism, it's better to simply say that you disagree and ask why they made the edit. (More politely than you did, without using the word "seriously" in that caustic fashion, and without calling their edit "but crap." I don't know how you, being a mother, can argue that calling a user's edit "butt-crap" isn't hostile, or at least rude.)

I find it hard to believe (harder to believe than your defense here) that it's the mindset of practically every other user on this wiki which is making your edits seem hostile. I suggest you don't take that notion too seriously. --ஸ Kyoshi 19:23, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

"but" as in them using the word "but" adding after that my version of the rest of it, "crap". Yea wrong, but it's done. Nor do I call it hostile and rude... I hope you can see now how it was used. Sorry, if perceived differently. Seriously is not a "bad word" nor is it caustic. It's a reality type word, and I used it more so in a "are you serious?", not in any other "context"... Am I understood now how I use some things? I don't take a lot too seriously, but then I'm more of a typical person. This a wiki and I don't see how a lot can be taken so "seriously" or differently than the simplicity that it is. I don't wordplay or roleplay on here. I'm not perfect in my words, but I pick what I "think" is the closest. Please edit any misspells or misused words. I just don't want whole sentences redone to show something entirely different, maybe suggestions would be nicer than that... I do appreciate your current suggestions. Ariyen 19:35, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) It, quite frankly, doesn't matter how you intended it to be read, but by how the community felt it read. Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 19:44, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I know and I was wrong. I cannot take all of that back, but I can learn from it and learn to write better. Ariyen 19:56, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

The word "seriously" when used like "Seriously, do you think" or "Do you seriously believe" (or even the "are you serious?" context you intended) is often easily taken offensively, since it implies disbelief that the person in question managed to think such a stupid thought or do such a stupid thing. --ஸ Kyoshi 20:02, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh, thank you. I really didn't know that, erm rather didn't think it'd be taken at all in that context. :0( I wouldn't have used it at all other wise. Ariyen 20:05, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, I can't exactly say "no worries" on this one, seeing as you've been stirring up so much commotion lately...but I see you did apologize for the comment. Just think carefully about how your post might be taken offensively by someone else from now on, and hopefully we can avoid another issue like this. --ஸ Kyoshi 20:09, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't expect "no worries" considering how so many are out to get rid of me, due to my mistakes. :-( I hope that I'll pay more attention and consider my edits more, before I hit the "save page". Ariyen 20:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Did somebody say beastility? ;3 --Neil • 20:18, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Your Sig

Dodgy code fails in all places, need help? --Neil • 20:18, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Scratch that, see above.--Neil • 20:18, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Think I got it fixed. Ty. Just forgot to change color, one second. X-) Ariyen 20:19, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Make the font blue :o --Neil • 20:20, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

^GOOD LORD ARIYEN. O_O --Neil • 20:20, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Navy? Do? Ariyen 20:21, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

You've really got to stop reading my comments before i click "save page" ariyen. 'nd yeah. looks nice. i might've gone powderblue though. --Neil • 20:23, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

What's the color code for that? Ariyen 20:25, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

^That, and i reconsidered. it looks terrible.--Neil • 21:09, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I tried lightblue as well. ^.^ I'll stick with navy. Thank you! :-) Ariyen 21:11, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Block, again

There's not much I can say here to change your outlook on the wiki or your behavior in the future, but I'll try anyway. When you disagree with another user, always consider the possibility that you might be wrong. This will change how you go into arguments - you'll be quicker to attempt to see where the other party is coming from, and more likely to catch mistakes you might have made or leaps in judgment that you missed. Regardless of who is right or wrong, try not to get overly defensive or hostile with other users while the discussion is taking place. If you're the type to get really heated during a debate, stop editing. Go have a cup of tea. Go run a mile or two. Go play a video game and think about what you want to say and how you want to say it. The wiki will be there when you get back, and you will be able to put forth much more level-headed arguments after contemplating the issue.
I want to see you come back at some point - I want to see you contribute positively and help make the wiki more complete. But right now is just not the time for it - you aren't ready for the wiki yet. The wiki is a database about Guild Wars assembled by a dedicated team - the game's playerbase. Playing as part of the team is as crucial as having information to add or ideas to share. Without the former, your ability to impart the latter suffers. Hopefully we'll see you back and contributing in the future. -Auron 16:00, 12 December 2010 (UTC)