Talk:King Adelbern

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Lolwut, is he some overpowered necro when he raises army from the fallen ascalonians?

No, it says right there in the article that he uses his sword to do it. --Cjad the Nord 08:13, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Could still be necro-ish. -- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png 08:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Seems more ritualist-ish, because the fallen ascalonians are now spirits. Cress Arvein User Cress Arvein sig.JPG 21:36, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

This article is a bunch of bs. He was the last king of ascalon, he used his sword to summon the dead ascalon guard who still to this day guard ascalon and the eastern frontier. Rest is just nostalgic filler--Justice 09:23, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of bs, there is some info that is wrong (cough he's not a descendant of Doric). But nothing wrong with "nostalgic filler" (which is, technically, one sentence) as it is info that those playing GW2 but who never played Prophecies might not know. Also, an interesting note in the manual - Rurik is the eldest son of Adelbern, so Adelbern is not heir-less. -- Konig Des Todes 09:37, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually he is, stated in various lore he is a descendant. This is a wiki about gw2. If you gotta paste stuff from the gw wiki to here to make the article float...Its ok if an article is bare of information, we have so little and thats expected. Justice 09:41, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I would like to see where this "various lore" is, because while the royalty should be, Adelbern was made king, not by blood, but instead through the desire of the people because he was a pivitol hero among gw1:the Guild Wars. The "descendant of King Doric" is actually gw1:Duke Barradin, who was the brother of the king before Adelbern. Basically, Adelbern took Barradin's spot in royalty from going to no one to some one by being a hero to the people. This is proven through various quests in pre-searing. -- Konig Des Todes 09:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

that very lil lore manual that said his eldest son; adelbern's page, very first line says hes a descendant--Justice 09:55, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, interesting. Guess Adelbern was in the same boat as Togo but got lucky? (that is, royal blood but kicked out of the line - possibly his ancestor kicked out of the line, since nothing suggests Barradin and Adelbern are close relatives). But then again, manual info is made before the game, so usually in-game lore is taken over manual lore. So, I say leave it out and ask Regina to find out, I guess. -- Konig Des Todes 11:17, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Show me the source for where it says baradin is the brother of the royal family, besides just some unsorced line on his wiki page. Only in-game stuff saying hes inline for king simply states that after the royal family was assassinated he was in line. Well that doesnt mean hes blood and still that doesnt mean that the current royal line at the time was related to doric. Lore from the manual can get outdated by things like time lines, but the very first line describing adelbern...I think thats pretty much stone--Justice 16:33, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Did some looking, Doric was the king of tyria, not asclaon (well, specifically). When presumably the kindgoms split, they probably each developed their own royal lines and Doric's either became obscure or possibly Orr's. Or Adelbern is related to Salma! He hates his cousin ;-) Justice 16:41, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

On that last part, Doric's throne was seemingly set in Ascalon. It appears through what I've read that all three royal bloodlines were related to Doric (Krytan is said to be for sure, as is Ascalon royalty *Adelbern is in question but seems to be more in favor for him being of Doric's descent*, Orr is unknown but should be). All three royal bloodlines, I believe, came from Doric - though no support for Orr at all other than Doric traveled to Orr. As for source, the biggest one is gw1:Opposition to the King but that doesn't state how he's related to the late King before Adelbern. I found it earlier but now I lost it. ~_~ Will look around. -- Konig Des Todes 18:37, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I call boss in an Ascalon dungeon. It will involve the human queen wielding Rurick's sword and sending all the ghostly ascalonians to death. --174.130.9.120 23:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Adelbern in GoA... (Spoilers)[edit]

Holy damn, he sure went wrong in the end. He was always stubborn and close-minded in GW, but that pales in comparison to the picture GoA paints of his last days. Arshay Duskbrow 03:46, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

huh--Icyyy Blue User IcyyyBlue Elementalist Blue.png 09:58, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
you should be able to understand Arshay's comment if you've read Ghosts Of Ascalon. --95.97.106.133 10:34, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
I have to say, after reading GoA, I think its really sad how downhill this once level headed guy went..... It makes me want to SCREAM, "YOU ARE DEAD, GO BACK TO THE DEAD, YOU MAJORLY MESSED UP!!!"--User Necro Shea mo signature.jpg Necro Shea Mo 03:02, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Sorry.... but it does make me want to scream at the unintelligent idiot....--User Necro Shea mo signature.jpg Necro Shea Mo 03:02, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Unintelligent and insane are two very different things. -- Konig/talk 04:34, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Sorry................. I personally think he didn't have a clue on what he was doing. He probably thought it was sometype of force-shield (star wars!) or something, I don't think anyone would do something like that if he/she knew what was going to happen.--User Necro Shea mo signature.jpg Necro Shea Mo 16:31, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
/cough Vizier Khilbron /cough71.174.146.73 17:09, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Some people are more than willing to die for their beliefs in real life. People are more than willing to kill others for their beliefs too. Khilbron and Adelbern are not unique. -- Konig/talk 20:02, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Damn Adelbern, if it were not for him the charr would be extinct. I can only hope that his ghost realizes what he has done. 17:55, 22 April 2011 (UTC) The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ramei Arashi (talkcontribs).
Not sure what surprises you that adelburn went crazy. He only disowned/banished his son/heir from ascalon after his son had just saved (well ok he helped...um came along...) rin from the charr invasion AFTER finding a legendary weapon the mouth piece to storm caller. It didnt help that the heros he was looking for in pre searing abadoned him aswell with rurik. Nor did it help to have the charr conqure ascalon despite the victories we gave him. Justice 03:26, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
You either die as a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain Qral 12:41, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Heh good batman quote there, I don't see how its hard to believe what he did, although I don't agree with it. After fighting the charr and loosing for years, many would do whatever it takes to stop those who have been causing them and their people so much suffering for years from winning. JnewUser Jnew Tormented Scythe.png 00:33, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
He lived long enough to become the villain. Hopefully Grenth showed him this, before sending him to wherever he'll spend eternity. I doubt it's a sunny beach. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.png A F K When Needed 02:08, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

(Reset indent) At the rate it is, Adelbern is spending eternity in the Ascalonian catacombs being farmed by players. (In a non-joke sense, we don't really know if he'll be sent to the Mists, and thus Grenth). Konig/talk 04:27, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I would assume that we get the epic loots from Rytlock Brimstone in return for some great deed or other - then hand it over to the Queen for no obvious reason - at which points she goes off to make the dead in Ascalon, y'know, dead. Again. Yeah...
That's the way I figure it'll happen. Possibly after the Vigil convince him that if he forks it over, they'll give him the Claw of the Kannur so that he can be teh boss of the kitties. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.png A F K When Needed 05:41, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
I don't think Grenth has anything to do with this. After all, he is not in the Underworld. Lazy Grenth, Dhumm whould never have allowed this happen. --Qral 16:59, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
@AFK: I doubt it. There are ghosts in the Blazeridge Steppes which is a level 45-ish area, and the dungeon takes place for lvl 30s. Besides, the charr already have the Claw of the Khan-Ur - it resides in the Black Citadel. Konig/talk 01:17, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
...I'm going to read the books before talking about lore again. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.png A F K When Needed 10:22, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Neither of that was from the books. The former (ghosts in lvl 45 area) was from the first demo which featured the Shatterer. The latter (Claw in Citadel) was from the Charr page on the official site. Konig/talk 11:49, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
I can only assume I misread the final paragraph on the Claw of the Khan-Ur article. I still think reading the books would help in general, though. :P User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.png A F K When Needed 13:18, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Interestingly, Claw of the Khan-Ur was never updated when we got that information (last we knew was that it was obtained by Dougal and co. before we knew where it would be during GW2). I've updated the article now though. Konig/talk 13:23, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
As great as floundering around in my ignorance finding work for you is, I think I'll get better acquainted with lore and make the edits myself. :P User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.png A F K When Needed 14:10, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Beard color[edit]

So did anyone notice how, as a spirit in the catacombs dungeon, Adelbern has a black beard while in Guild Wars, he had a white one? Because I don't think white -> black hair is how aging works. (and I think he had a white beard in the cinematic showing the foefire) It could be that they just swapped the color because of him being a ghost now, but I don't think that sounds reasonable. --188.99.92.133 19:40, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

The model probably isn't complete, considering the crown had a cap to it in GW1, and the image is taken from the earlier reveals of the Ascalonian Catacombs iirc. Konig/talk 20:00, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Could be that the ghosts simply have inverted colours or something turning red (human skin is slightly reddish) into blue and white into black.

Edit request[edit]

Mainly expanding the intro a little and adding a couple categories. See King Adelbern/draft. --Santax (talk · contribs) 12:56, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I think you're missing how he died and the Foefire in general. --JonTheMon (talk) 13:08, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Also, for comparison: [1] --JonTheMon (talk) 13:09, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Right you are, I updated the draft with an adapted version of the paragraph in the current article that details the events of the Foefire. Is the current revision acceptable? --Santax (talk · contribs) 22:33, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
I found the "His Majesty" part to be a bit overkill. I've never seen anyone refer to the royalty as "his/her Majesty" in-game, so I wouldn't presume that Tyrians have that same system as we do. It already says "King", so unless "His Majesty" is specifically used in-game, let's remove it? Titus The Third User titus the third.png 06:15, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
And I don't know if Adelbern is considered to be "one of the most popular kings in the history of the walled nation" anymore..? I know it's a copy-paste from the Guild Wars 1 manuscript, but that biography is obviously written prior to the Searing. It continues with: "He's older now, and though he's a well-liked king, his insistence that the army can hold back the beasts from the north has started the people whispering to each other in the streets. Not everyone agrees with the king on this matter. Making matters worse, Prince Rurik, the king's eldest son and heir to the throne, is among those who criticize Adelbern's policies. And though he is close to his son, the king and the prince often do not see eye to eye."
So already at the time of pre-searing there was a lot of controversy around his leadership. After the Searing, he failed to listen to his son, who'd seen with his own eyes what was coming. Adelbern had become "proud and foolish", and he greatly underestimated the Charr.
I guess it wasn't Adelbern's actions which led to Ascalon's demise. But his pride did possibly lead to hundreds or thousands of uneccessary Ascalonian deaths. Rurik was only able to save the lives of a few citizens of Rin. While many more could have been saved if Adelbern had listed to his son's advice.
"Tales of his feats during the Guild Wars are told and retold today"... Really?
"When it became clear that Ascalon City would fall and he could not stop it, he went mad.". I would say he'd gone mad the minute he started to place more faith in the prophecy of the Stormcaller, than what he did in his son's observations and advice, coming directly from the battlefield. Titus The Third User titus the third.png 10:15, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
I've never been a high quality writer, but I've made some modifications based on your comments. The only remaining line that I have a problem with is "The Searing drove the Ascalonians from Rin, and the shame of that imbalanced Adelbern." - "imbalanced Adelbern" doesn't sound quite right imo. I reckon it should be "unbalanced" (different meaning) + reworded slightly. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 12:07, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Tried to do some further modifications based upon my input: see King Adelbern/draft. And I tried to improve the general quality / readability. Don't know if I made it more "imbalanced" , "unbalanced" or "balanced" though ;) Titus The Third User titus the third.png 14:30, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
I kind of rewrote some more parts without looking at the draft :/--Relyk ~ talk < 15:28, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
super effort. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 15:56, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
No worries Relyk! Your version is way better than mine :) Impressed by your writing skills! :) I did a minor edit to the 1st section: tried to remove some of the glamour of him being described as one of the most poular kings. Titus The Third User titus the third.png 16:05, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
If we were really writers, King Aldebern would sound like a tragic hero of a long last kingdom.--Relyk ~ talk < 16:12, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
He was a bellend who basically let his son die alone on a mountain to a horde of midgets. Considering he sounds almost noble based on the summary, I'd say the writers were adequate. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 16:39, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Late to the party, I know, but in Ghosts of Ascalon Adelbern is consistently referred to as "His Majesty". Furthermore, there is precedent for using the character's full name with titles and honourifics in the open, the "NPC name" seen in-game as the page title, and the canonical name in the infobox (best example of this would be Captain Magnus the Bloody-Handed, I think). Other than that though, all these changes are good - I think the page reads pretty nicely at the moment :) --Santax (talk · contribs) 11:54, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the reference, but I'm still not entirely convinced :P If Ghosts of Ascalon is the only place where "His/Her Majesty" is used, I don't think it justifies calling him His Majesty here on the Wiki. Isn't the use likely to have been more a product of Matt Forbeck's writing, than of ArenaNet's?
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying it would be exactly wrong to say "His Majesty", but it doesn't really seem like this is the "default" way to refer to Kings and Queens within the Tyrian universe. And: if you decide to change it, shouldn't you do the same for all other members of the royal families (at least kings and queens)? Titus The Third User titus the third.png 14:35, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
I wouldn't be too surprised if we don't see much of it in Guild Wars 2, as the only Ascalonians still loyal to Adelbern aren't too conversational :P Anyway, just did a quick search because I was curious; Symon the Scribe, The King's Message, and The Last Day Dawns all address Adelbern as "His Majesty", and this guy and this quest both address Mad King Thorn as "His Majesty". In Edge of Destiny, all of Jennah's letters are signed "Her Majesty, Jennah, Queen of Kryta, Regent of Ascalon", and http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site%3Awiki.guildwars.com+"Her+Majesty" returns a bunch of instances in which she has been referred to as "Her Majesty". --Santax (talk · contribs) 15:14, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Question regarding location[edit]

Can I delete Location section since it's already mentioned in NPC infobox? Also, it seems this happens in many articles across the wiki. – Valento msg 16:44, 21 January 2015 (UTC)