Talk:"Save Yourselves!"
Since skills descriptions change when a trait is active to include the traits affects, I believe that current description is including the description of the trait Heroic Martyr and needs to be adjusted. I'm gonna change it for now. --Moto Saxon 15:17, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
- Actually the description doesn't change in this case. Look at this at 8:54, the trait is not in a used slot. Further in the video they changed it, but description didn't change with it. In my opinion Heroic Martyr draw from not just from nearby allies. 82.131.236.98 16:05, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Trivia[edit]
I agree with the reversion against Roll for Initiative, but this is a term that is taken out of a dictionary - which should be considered as generic information. Unless it has something to do with a notable person... like saint whatchamacallhim, then we might be able to add it. --Xu Davella 05:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
- Trivia is meant to be trivia, right? Anything related can be in such section in my opinion. Glastium | talk 05:43, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
- I could also use the same logic to say that the skill chop is a common term closely associated with the use of axes in real life. Or even note that Backstab is a figurative term for someone who has been betrayed. Should we do Plague as well? Trivia should be about things that are un-obvious. Like how Ride the Lightning is a reference to Metallica. The "omg i so didn't know that" trivia. --Xu Davella 08:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC) --Xu Davella 08:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
- That is a bit ...excessive. Unlike chop or backstab, martyr is a much less usual word, isn't it? But anyway, revert it if you still feel that way, for I'm not native in English. Glastium | talk 08:52, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
- Chop is silly, backstab is reasonable, martyr works well due to the uncommon use of the term (backstab(ber) is often used as jokes in comedies even - particular swordplay comedies - it's very common compared to martyr). Chop is practically common sense (if such were to exist) and isn't needed, and backstab is actually used in its literal context rather than the betrayal context thus such a trivia note would be irrelevant. Keep the Martyr trivia, don't add those silly examples is what I say. -- Konig/talk 09:03, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
- We really need to determine where to draw the line when adding trivia. Eviscerate and Riposte are both uncommon terms and do not have trivial notes attached. And with what's happening around the world, I'm sure they're less common than Martyr. --Xu Davella 10:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
- It's been said many times on this wiki, but I shall do it again. Definitions are not trivia. I disagree with the current note on Martyr and I disagree with the current note on Roll for Initiative. The roll for initiative one can be reworked to avoid a definition though. I'm unsure how you live your lives in your respective locations, but where I come from, backstab is not a common word. I have actually heard Martyr more times in the news lately than I've heard backstab anywhere. Commonality is subjective. One cannot rely on what is "common" to permit exceptions to add definitions, I say that they both have to go. But since I made the initial edit, I will either wait for someone else to remove the definition or let this conversation go (so as to not enter an edit war). Venom20
12:27, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
- I'm removing definition of the word 'martyr' from the trivia section, for the reasons mentioned above. 64.35.202.151 18:32, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
- It's been said many times on this wiki, but I shall do it again. Definitions are not trivia. I disagree with the current note on Martyr and I disagree with the current note on Roll for Initiative. The roll for initiative one can be reworked to avoid a definition though. I'm unsure how you live your lives in your respective locations, but where I come from, backstab is not a common word. I have actually heard Martyr more times in the news lately than I've heard backstab anywhere. Commonality is subjective. One cannot rely on what is "common" to permit exceptions to add definitions, I say that they both have to go. But since I made the initial edit, I will either wait for someone else to remove the definition or let this conversation go (so as to not enter an edit war). Venom20
- We really need to determine where to draw the line when adding trivia. Eviscerate and Riposte are both uncommon terms and do not have trivial notes attached. And with what's happening around the world, I'm sure they're less common than Martyr. --Xu Davella 10:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
- Chop is silly, backstab is reasonable, martyr works well due to the uncommon use of the term (backstab(ber) is often used as jokes in comedies even - particular swordplay comedies - it's very common compared to martyr). Chop is practically common sense (if such were to exist) and isn't needed, and backstab is actually used in its literal context rather than the betrayal context thus such a trivia note would be irrelevant. Keep the Martyr trivia, don't add those silly examples is what I say. -- Konig/talk 09:03, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
- That is a bit ...excessive. Unlike chop or backstab, martyr is a much less usual word, isn't it? But anyway, revert it if you still feel that way, for I'm not native in English. Glastium | talk 08:52, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
- I could also use the same logic to say that the skill chop is a common term closely associated with the use of axes in real life. Or even note that Backstab is a figurative term for someone who has been betrayed. Should we do Plague as well? Trivia should be about things that are un-obvious. Like how Ride the Lightning is a reference to Metallica. The "omg i so didn't know that" trivia. --Xu Davella 08:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC) --Xu Davella 08:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Traits[edit]
...Doesn't the skill already do that?--Ph03n1x 19:16, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
- It's possible that the trait isn't described well enough. The skill says that it draws conditions from nearby allies; perhaps the trait allows for more conditions to be drawn, or increases the area of allies that are affected (or both). ~~
Kiomadoushi 22:32, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
- [[Talk:Heroic Martyr|You are not the only one wondering.]] - Infinite - talk 13:31, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
- My guess is that untraited, the skill draws from nearby allies, where as with the trait it draws from all allies within some much larger range.--Gerroh
17:03, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- Suggestion- removal of trait section for reasons- 1. Invalid (repeats the original effect) and 2. linking to a dead link, which would be the only proof for wiggy description. Devona Goke
- My guess is that untraited, the skill draws from nearby allies, where as with the trait it draws from all allies within some much larger range.--Gerroh
- [[Talk:Heroic Martyr|You are not the only one wondering.]] - Infinite - talk 13:31, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Utility[edit]
According to this video, Martyr is now an utility skill. Unfortunately, I don't know what the fifth staff skill is. Gnarf 08:04, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
- The 5th skill is Line of Warding (which was the 4th) and Empower has been slotted in as the 4th skill. Cody.16 09:04, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
going to be op[edit]
4 to 5 guardians with some + boon duration can have most of these boons up 100% all on 1 skill each. Whats great is that most of the boons stack in duration and everyone can just use on recharge. Suppose not everyone will roll guardian and it would force some points into the line that offers concentration(?) for boon duration. Just random thinking anyhow. Justice 18:51, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
- ignore me im stupid, doesnt aoe the boons out. Justice 18:53, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
- That's why we're careful with accusations of overpowerdness before the game is released. Thunderduck 19:16, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
- um, thats when we have zero skill data to go on and people cry op. obviously that doesnt make sense. i just misread and yes it would be OP if it was an aoe shout and not just self buffing. Justice 19:45, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
- That's why we're careful with accusations of overpowerdness before the game is released. Thunderduck 19:16, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
PvE and PvP split[edit]
Shall we include the skill description for both PvE and PvP on the same article or split them entirely? In PvP, this skill's boons now have base duration of 5 seconds. Mediggo 08:11, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
- After seeing a post by Robert Hrouda saying that there is a PvE/PvP split, I think we should find out which skills are split between PvE and PvP, and then make new pages for the PvP versions of the skills. For "Save Yourselves!", the title of the page could be "Save Yourselves!"_(PvP). 82.74.244.51 02:17, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
