User:Venom20/Archive2010.2

Need to know...

What was with this edit? The new colors (or rather, the "light" color) is ugly, goes terrible as a background, and doesn't match any coloring I've seen on the official site for the necromancer's green. :/ -- Konig/talk 02:33, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

That original one was an attempt as using a more official source for creating the class default colouring, see here. Problem is that those colours given are too dark to be default, so I just ameneded them. The light/dark colours from the post you were talking about were gathered mathematically from the colours located in the XML. Venom20 02:36, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Also because having GW1 colours is just as arbitrary as having newer ones, this method makes the colour selection less arbitrary. Venom20 02:37, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I'd rather see "arbitrary" than "less useful" truth be told. Black/blue (link color) on the "background" color for necromancer... it just doesn't work out. -- Konig/talk 02:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

And I'd rather see things documented, including making the colour selection from anet part of the colours of the characters. Picking colours at random is just a fancy way to say that we're just going to make shit up (pretty sure there's a word for that on this wiki: speculation). Using the colours of GW1 is just a way of trying to justify a new colour pallet. Unfortunately, GW1 is a different game from GW2 and therefore, new colours would have to be selected. Anet was kind enough to give us a starting point. If you feel the new colours are useless, feel free to explain why here on this talk page, and don't forget to suggest your own pallet for critique. Venom20 03:47, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

"I'd rather see "arbitrary"" here you go, start spinning Venom20 04:03, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Using colors that work from GW1 isn't "picking colors at random" - and tell me, you've shown me where one of each professions' color is, but where are the other two? Are you not making "shit up" in that department? Wouldn't deciding where that one color goes in the template be making "shit up?" Oh, and speculation goes for things we think is right, not things we'd change for the sake of being able to see text with certain colored background. Unfortunately, I cannot make a pallet for my critique because I'm very bad with these, quite confusing (to me), color number ids. Even if I were given a chart... I'm better with words than charts and numbers. But that doesn't prevent me from having an opinion. -- Konig/talk 06:27, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

"I'm very bad with these" yes, I know. Venom20 13:04, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, well, if you have suggestions on how to improve those colors, do feel free to suggest. Due to being very limited in the knowledge of color numbering on the internet (never understood it tbh), and being able to find other, better, colors, I merely kept normal necro colors. So do feel free to suggest changes. I just wanted to get away from the over-used black, red, and gray set up *cough*. -- Konig/talk 00:56, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not even sure you know what you are talking about. "if you have suggestions on how to improve those colors, do feel free to suggest" I suppose you haven't read this then? also "I just wanted to get away from the over-used black, red, and gray set up" nice retort. I'm assuming that when you say normal necro colours, you are meaning the GW1 versions? Also, I figure I will tell you how to read hex colours. The colour is comprised of 6 characters (0-F). It is base 16 (so 0=0,1=1,...9=9,A=10,B=11,...F=15). Any 2 character number can range from 0-255 when converted to decimal. Of the six characters, the first 2 represent red, the middle 2 represent green and the last 2 represent blue. For instance, #FFFFFF is 255 red, 255 green, and 255 blue, which is white. Google is your friend. If you actually need to see the colours, there are tonnes of pages on the internet to view colours. At least now you know how to read a hex colour. Venom20 04:36, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I did read that page, and I don't mean suggest for the templates - I meant suggest for my personal user page. For the necro colors - yeah, I meant the GW1 necro colors since when I made it, the ranger wasn't even released (heck, I don't think the warrior was yet). I've seen those color pages and I've googled, btw. Your explanation does shed light on how it is done though (completely so) - other explanations I found were practically 10 paragraphs long and kept beating around the bush. >.> This is a reason why I gave up programming and kept to English stuff... -- Konig/talk 07:19, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Been there done that

I've been where you are. done it the hostile way. Just step back... Ask yourself how you'd want to be talked to. Just do your typing in a way that'd be calm but not hostile. And that hostile way is by going after the user and not the content - change it to go after the content, not the user... I hope you can understand what I understand now. Thank you. Ariyen 18:16, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Venom, (this in in the generic) when you're stressed, your edits become significantly reduced in quality, and then someone questions them and then you lash out. I almost got to the point where I lashed out at someone (not naming names, my userpage note makes it pretty clear.) If you're getting stressed from the wiki, take a break. It's not like you're bound to it. Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 16:44, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that. That isn't a bad idea. I have classes starting back up in a few days, so I'll probably take a break (or at least be on less) once that starts. Venom20 18:04, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Playing Guild Wars 2

If you are playing as sylvari maybe we can play together sometime!--BookofTyria 18:27, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Heck yes!! Venom20 18:29, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

edit script

hello all. I had to reformat my computer due to too many instabilities and I have now forgotten the name of a java script I used for this wiki. Using firefox it is installed though greasemonkey. It is named something like wiki ed, or something to that effect. Anyone have any idea what I"m talking about and where to procure it again? Venom20 20:31, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

You could perhaps see Help:Ask_a_wiki_question if it's specifically for this wiki, they might know. Previously Unsigned 20:41, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

That' s a good idea. Thanks Venom20 20:44, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

After 3 failed scripts I found the one I was looking for: wikiED Venom20 20:51, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Image tagging

I see many of your edits where you've replaced {{GW1 image}} with {{ArenaNet image}}. Please add the gw1 parameter to screenshots or any other picture from Guild Wars 1, if you really want to replace that tag. But also {{GW1 image}} and {{ArenaNet image|gw1}} are equivalent, so your edit is totally unnecessary.--Sharkinu 15:36, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Read this. "*if copyrighted by ArenaNet, be tagged only with {{ArenaNet image}}, regardless of image type (screenshot, concept art, etc)." Venom20 15:39, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry then. I've looked here. You're right I think. --Sharkinu 15:45, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it's kind of complicated at first. The just of it is that if it is in the userspace, then it's just property of anet. If it is outside the userpace, then it gets further classified. At least that's how I've understood it. Venom20 15:47, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Venom is very much correct; the images were in user space and follow the user space formatting guidelines, listed under the User images topic. Sharkinu's confusion seems to become all the more common across users and we might want to indent the formatting article to make the different protocols more apparent. That however, is a story for another time. :) - Infinite - talk 21:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Though I was correct initially, apparently a clause didn't make it into the rewrite. It was discussed here. The exception for all user images is if they originate from GW1 (in any shape). Then apparently the gw1 tag is specified. I have amended the procedure page to reflect this new discovery. Venom20 21:58, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations

You and Era are sharing the "I Spent My Saturday Being a Wiki-Bot" award for outstanding achievement in the field of excellence. :) Thanks for doing this. :) Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 23:49, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for all the work today, Venom. Considering how the wiki is being slow, it's really hard work. Erasculio 00:28, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

"Considering how the wiki is being slow" you said it. I also generally don't mind doing mundane work, I was cataloging music on my server anyways. Finding some gems that I hadn't heard in ages. You know you have to listen to them when that happens. There is still much work to be done, but while I was cataloging music I came across my files for Torchlight, so I installed it and am currently wasting some hours of my life with that ;) Venom20 00:37, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

You have earned the title of RC spammer, congratulations! Reaper of Scythes** 16:43, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I do what I can, also they're all minor edits, so they can easily be hidden. Yay for thinking ahead !! Venom20 16:44, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

"also they're all minor edits, so they can easily be hidden" Thank you so much for that off comment, I didn't know I could hide the minor edits you have saved a small part of my life. --RaGingIMP 17:36, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Good work Venom! ShadowRunner 17:49, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Well I know that correcting older uploaded images is going to spam the RC, so I figured that I'd make life slightly easier for other people. Only problem is that the process of retagging images is annoying due to the intermittent activities. Venom20 21:07, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I am with you, Eras and plenty of others in spirit as this temporary new-home internet does not enable countless edits in reasonable time. Great job so far! =] - Infinite - talk 22:17, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

*amused* If I could and knew how, I'd have up a bot to help do these big changes and let you all mess with it X-) But I'm not into that coding (some things get old). Ariyen 02:42, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Refuted

"What is factually incorrect about this list of delete reasons? Or perhaps this guideline on common sense?" That's why I suggest going to each page discussing why it shouldn't be refuted. Pages like that aren't directly related to policy, but it's one procedure and process. You can see Poke being all against me even trying to get the rfa reactive into discussion. I've had him and others after me now, because of trying to do that. Plus tring to get a few pages that were moved without consensus into discussions, even another page, etc. I think a lot of this was done in haste, without consensus and absolutely without any consideration. Had I done this? I'd be blessed out! Wait, I am on just trying to get things done right - that should have been done right the first time. Not my problem. I wasn't the one who moved them without consensus. I'm not moving them back until we get consensus on where pages should be and what pages we actually need/don't need. So yea, it was going well, until we have a few jumping and doing things without anything settling down. To me, that's hasty, and not really consensus. it took us a while on Main Page/edit copy just to get consensus, before we all did things. Now, we're having this crazy mess and I get blame? So, yea, I'm not too happy with people getting away with things like this without consensus and I don't think even those that have tools, should hide behind those and step up to their faults. Ariyen 16:43, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree, some of this seems hasty. The idea of a common practices and procedures page is a good idea, but perhaps in theory. I also disagree with the current idea that the "refuted" policies are temporarily suspended until they are needed attitude. This implies that they aren't currently in use at all, but a common good will is in place. So the first person to break them hasn't really broken anything at all. This event would then trigger a new policy dispute and we'd have to have all these discussion all over again. Except by the time this has happened, it'll be too late Venom20 20:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Those sample skill pages....

...are the shit. Nice work dude. :) (Xu Davella 17:22, 20 September 2010 (UTC))

I also think that they looks nice. It's a way to test some colour choices and skill layouts at the same time in a practical manner. I like the skillbox that I have chosen, though it does resemble that of GWW, the colour variances between classes adds a nice touch (IMO). Venom20 20:30, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

I like the functionality of your skill pages, but I feel that they are a bit clunky. Loquay's version is more concise, but seems to be missing important information. Also, I don't like the colors used, they all seem too dark and the hues seem a bit off. Just my two cents. I might try to make adjustments when I have time tonight. --Emelend 14:14, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Ghastly weapons

Hi. I've uploaded a few of those already. Longbow, Staff, Shortbow, Dagger and Warhorn. They're named like: File:Ghastly Dagger.jpg. They're from the icon sheet so they're a bit larger and possibly of better quality? You might be able to match better versions from the icon sheet and upload them. -- Aspectacle  00:50, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

BLAST!! All my work. I tried searching for them, but I was searching too generally it looks. I'll see if I can put them to use. Venom20 00:58, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I've compared the two images. They are the same size (~5kb). But the dimensions of the png is smaller than that of the jpg. If I blow up the images to match the same dimensions of the jpg's, then the file is ~10kb. I really don't know that much about image types. Perhaps someone could help me out. What would be better suited for weapon icons? png's? or jpg's? To a novice, like myself, it would appear that we can cram more image in a smaller space (higher resolution?) in a png, but I could be deeply mistaken on that. Venom20 01:32, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

If it were up to me, it would be png all the way. It's not up to me though, so I can't really help. Thanks for uploading what you have though. :) --Emelend 02:17, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I'd pick png too. I uploaded as jpg because the original icon sheet is jpg and because when I uploaded skill icons from the icon sheet as png they ended up being re-uploaded as jpg. I wouldn't worry about file size but I think we should always pick the image which is the clearest with dimensions as large as we can manage without compromising quality. -- Aspectacle  03:23, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk move from old sample page

Now that there is a demo being played. We should attempt to get some form of unity across the skill pages. Many of them look different than others in terms of heir formatting. I have prepared this example, but I'm looking for input. Venom20 13:06, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I am also aware that the skill examples are not correct, this is more of a visual example (currently not many icons to work with) Venom20 18:06, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I think energy costs scale with level, so we'd need a way to show that (if at all). ShadowRunner 18:07, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

@Shadow Runner...tables (like the attribute scaling ones on GWW Skill Pages)...also, IMO, make the ranger color less brown and more green (but not necromancer green). Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 18:14, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I took the colours (not necro) from Pling's sandbox, but I can see about adjusting the ranger's. Recharge and casting times perhaps could stay where they are, but yes, energy would have to be done in table form. Do you think that it is a good idea to separate the descrition from how to equipt the skill. I feel there is a better distinction like this. Venom20 19:02, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I have added a sample progression bar and I have amended the casting/recharge times Venom20 03:45, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Do energy costs scale with player level or skill tier? I might include an acquisition sort of section (as we know some skills can be bought from skill trainers, while others are found as rare drops). I personally prefer the second (ranger) style, but I dont think there would be a problem if either could be implemented in short time, and they can always be changed. Good Work Venom -- epo Man 18:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

you ninja

A F K When Needed 13:47, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Change as necessary

But this is the idea. A F K When Needed 14:03, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I could have swore I tried that. But I was half dead, so.... Thanks!! Venom20 14:13, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

No problemo, I've a knack for knowing random things. Hopefully being in college will allow me to help people with code more consistantly.

If you ever have a question, I don't bite. A F K When Needed 15:56, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Cookie for you.

Baked with love from me to you. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 04:27, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

That, is disturbing to the extreme. A F K When Needed 11:50, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

OMG, that reminds me of those raisin people! Venom20 12:47, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

yo dwawg

I fixed your page yo --80.195.138.150 17:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Jpegs

are very lossy. For something that's as unsophisticated with colors as a screenshot of a welcome template, it would be much better to save it as a PNG. Though for something like a GW2 screenshot, the jpeg compression isn't as noticeable. --Riddle 02:57, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I never was a fan of jpg's, but I was lazy and just clicked on a previously saved image for faster naming. ;). But thanks, I don't really know all that much about file types, especially images. Only thing I know to do with images is Steganography, other than that, I just point and click. Venom20 04:09, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Just like the good ole arcades! - Infinite - talk 09:53, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

That makes me want to go play gauntlet. Venom20 14:21, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Cajos

since i love sticking my nose in peoples buisness; You shouldnt of used such a messy welcome or CAJOS wouldnt of childishly (Woooh, irony) overacted, i still love you <3 --Neil • 15:13, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Neil, you must use "have" rather than "of." This cannot be forgiven. 15:15, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

You make me sad :( --Neil • 15:16, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Without judging anyone, I think it will be best if you (Venom) will have others pointing out faults of this user in the future. The whole escalation didn't do your reputation in his book much good. That and, I am sure you too agree that the entire thing was unnecessarily blown out of proportion (not your fault). - Infinite - talk 15:28, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok, Venom, I'm gonna go ahead and give you a warning regarding interacting with new users and trying to enforce "policy". If you cause something to blow up again because of that, it'll be a block for you. --JonTheMon 16:56, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

"le sigh", warning noted, thank you. Also, in a defense, I was not attempting to enforce policy, but to educate a new user on it. I left the enforcing to you guys (admins), hence the message on the noticeboard. Also, @infinite, I agree. Venom20 17:19, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Also, policy was a bad choice of term in the above post, it really should be a common practice. Venom20 17:34, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

oh dear venom, you did what i did, you stepped in way over your head (albeit on a much smaller scale). Just going to say, look what it got me :| don't go down that path dude, will only wreck you. — Scythe 23:40, 29 Sep 2010 (UTC)

The difference is his ability to learn. I doubt he'll get banned for making honest mistakes. -Auron 12:48, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

oh hi auron, was only a matter of time before you started trolling me here. — Scythe 20:52, 30 Sep 2010 (UTC)

Don't even start. 20:57, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

then maybe he shouldn't troll bait? don't start a several WoT flame war here, please. — Scythe 21:01, 30 Sep 2010 (UTC)

So...

A message bar for you, since you like them and all. ShadowRunner 21:52, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Yah how are you Mr. Venom? --neshot. 21:53, 30 September 2010.

lol, nice Venom20 21:54, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

HoM Images

Just an idea: We have the names for most the items so they can be uploaded under them. Then just make a page for each item with the little info we have, and categorise them all under HoM rewards or something. ShadowRunner 18:10, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Oops, just saw your message. I was naming them after the source where I gotthem. If we start naming them based on the object's name (ie walking stick, diamond ageis, etc) they wouldn't have any relation to one another. This way they follow a linear progression. That being said, it's probably better to name them in the current gallery (which can be scrapped later if a better system presents itself). Venom20 18:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll see what #gww has to say Venom20 18:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

That's what categories and lists and galleries are for.

By the way, we regrettably seem to be working against each other right now. --ஸ Kyoshi 23:06, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Also, your images all seem to have that icky little x in the upper right corner. --ஸ Kyoshi 23:26, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Psssst

Mind talking to madhatter about his sig?, im sure something up with it but i dont have the heart to tell him Q.Q --Neil • 15:46, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, went to class. Did it now. Venom20 21:11, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Hugs

I'm sorry for making your life miserable...especially at 12:34 am... Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 04:34, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

lol, I actually came to the computer to check something completely unrelated. Only took a few minutes, no trouble at all <3 browser tabs. Imagine doing all this work with a non-tabbed browser!! eeek. Well, you must excuse me, I'm at the tail end of a "Supernatural" marathon. ;) Venom20 04:38, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Ah fun...oh btw...I'm tempted to make a userbox for you that says "This user is *the* arch rival of Aquadrizzt, but <insert appropriate term describing our wiki friendship here..." I mean, we practically compete over everything :), in the lighthearted friendly way. Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 04:46, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I demand a fight to the death! Eive 04:58, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I couldn't do that to Venom...he has a puppy :) Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 05:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

.......Then you shall fight the puppy! To the death! Eive 05:07, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent)

Aqua	This user is arch rivals, yet best friends with Aqua

I honored our friendship with a user box. :) Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 05:47, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I accept your challenge. On a side note, who really wants to fight a puppy? They'll just cute you to death, auto-lose. Venom20 13:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Eive and I...

have finally reached consensus on my orange one, black and green one, "Halloween Colors." As you are the other person who has shown interest, are you okay with that one going up? Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 17:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Yup I'm cool with it! I say let the week-long colours fly!! Just to be sure, we are talking about this one, right? Venom20 17:27, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Yup...already left message on Pling's page...should I leave one on the admin noticeboard too? Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 18:35, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Nah, Pling's usually up on these things. He's probably been stalking us anyways. Although, you might want to leave something about the newly proposed design on the main page discussion. Just in case someone objects to the design, although I can't see the harm in posting it (after all, it's only going to be up for a week), someone may protest. Venom20 18:42, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

User:Venom

Does this account belong to you? The account exists, but there's no entry in the account creation log on here or GWW, which means it was created before the log was enabled. Venom20 does have a log entry, which means that was created afterwards. That implies the Venom account isn't yours. pling 20:40, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

In that case no, it doesn't. I was going to use it as a redirect, but if it's going to cause problems with whomever it belongs to, then it's best to get rid of it. It isn't necessary for any plans I have. Venom20 20:55, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Since it's someone else's account, it can't really be used to redirect to yours. A similar thing happened not too long ago with The Scythe Has Fallen. pling 21:00, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

That's fair, I checked here and GW1W but thought it was unowned. Thanks for clearing that up. Also, I'm going to fix the title of this section, so that it is no longer redlinked. Venom20 21:12, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

thanks

for fixing my images, haha didn't know what to put them. :) Lucian Shadowborn 15:10, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

No problems Venom20 15:40, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Black Ops

is awesome btw, waited in the cold to get a copy. Just wanted to let everyone know. Venom20 07:18, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm contemplating buying it once I get my PS3 fixed. I was dissapointed with MW2 though, so unsure. ShadowRunner 10:55, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Character Template, public?

Hey, I was wondering if your character templates are public? And if they are, I have a quick suggestion. A |Color trigger that you could use to fill the background with a certain hex-color or color template. It would come in handy, as I'm going for a dark blue-ish night style on my userpage. Thanks in advance! --~~Lotus~~ 03:50, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

You mean other than the pre-defined profession colours? Venom20 04:27, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that would be pretty cool! --~~Lotus~~ 01:18, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll see if I can add it, anyone can use them if they like. It won't be for a while before I get a chance to play around with the code though. Venom20 02:41, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Dragons will be popular in 2011

Just got finished watching the preview for TES V. Looks like the dragons of guild wars won't be the only dragons coming back. Also, Yes, reading my wall would appear that I like to have conversations with myself, but I see them more as PSA. Venom20 02:29, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

OMG! That looks incredibly awesome... Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 02:48, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Vacation

Welcome back ^^ --The Holy Dragons 18:26, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Glad to be back Venom20 19:57, 29 December 2010 (UTC)