Talk:Underworld

Has the Underworld been confirmed to exist in GW2? --Santax (talk · contribs) 19:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Isn't it kinda like place where dead people go? Because there will most likely be Underworld in GW2, but there might be no conflict anymore. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.250.204.31 (talk • contribs).

I suspect we would in some way or another, as it was a big hit with the player base, and ANet would be foolish to remove UW and FoW, or not add similar areas. Calor (t) 19:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, It has, and it might be used as a stage for PvP once again (Arthurperson 20:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC))

PvP? In the underworld? Since when? Lord Belar 21:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

That's the Mists as a whole mentioned for the PvP, not the underworld specifically. No word on the underworld itself. --Aspectacle 21:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Being that the conflicts in the FoW and UW weren't resolved in Guild Wars, one can only assume that SOMETHING is going to concern them in GW2. Either way, the existence of the UW is lore, so there's no reason not to have the article. --Cjad the Nord 20:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

What's currently known as Hero's Ascent was once known as the Underworld. You entered it from the current Tombs of the Primeval Kings entrance. -- Armond Warblade 08:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Hinted by Anet

I've deleted this text "It has been hinted at by Anet that Dhuum will be an antagonist in GW2" - Please provide a reference before putting it back in. --Aspectacle 22:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Solid info, or no info imo-- Brains12 • Talk • 23:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Concept Art

May I ask where the concept art came from? To be honest, that looks more like concept art for the Dragon's Lair mission. So unless it's relatively new *i.e., EN's production time or later* I don't think that is Underworld concept art. -- Konig Des Todes 20:39, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I think that's the GW1 loading screen art for Ring of Fire. Or it's just looking the same VihoSA 19:48, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I believe that's ooooooold GW1 concept art. If memory serves, the upper portion was cropped to use as the Ring of Fire loading screen. --Riddle 20:23, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Interesting thing is since I asked the question, I found it, it is from Prophecies (not the Ring of Fire loading screen because it is far different). It does look like Dragon's Lair concept art, but it is definably from Prophecies. :) (but not that it matters now since it was removed!) -- Konig/talk 03:43, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

If you look at them both back to back, it looks like the Ring of Fire loading screen is a modified version of the concept art that was on this article; the rocks match almost completely, and it just looks like the entrance was zoomed in on without affecting the rocks.-- Shew 04:44, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Aatxe

if there still is an underworld in GW2 i hope there will be aatxes too ^^ (maybe they're all killed or smarter :D talking aatxes ^^) anywayz i hope there will be an underworld (with aatxes)just for the fun ^^ forgive me if this is on the wrong page or something else... The Holy Dragons 14:10, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

It exists

Deal with it. Should we ask for recovering of the article? I have no idea what it used to contain. Mediggo 07:19, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I was actually going to, but decided to wait until we learned more. Also, it turns out one of the skill points in Kessex Peaks deals with a portal to the Underworld. So yeah, it's still of importance to GW2, just don't know how important. People will search the term though, I am certain. Konig/talk 10:13, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Luckily I found the remnant of this page, but having no "Underworld" article is a bit odd. It exist as a lore and portals from where Aatxes go from goes to Underworld, even if you can't enter them. Well, that's what made me curious about looking it up :).
—Faalagorn☎/✓ 23:02, 16 September 2012 (UTC).

At the very lease, this should exist as a redirect to GWW's page. And it's more than just Aatxes and shades though - imps have portals from the Underworld, and there's events which outright mention the Underworld too. It's very big on lore, though only as "this is where they come from" and no so much as "we learned more about the Underworld." Either way, I think the old version should be restored. Konig/talk 23:41, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Recent edits

Can somebody please explain what the back and forth is all about? I've yet to poke my head into the new wing, so I don't have a clue what's going on here. - Do_odleplex 01:01, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

The Underworld is a realm outside of Tyria, and the fith raid wing (or third) happens here - same as Forsaken Thicket happens in Maguuma Jungle. The Underworld is not raid wing (as Forsaken Thicket), unless confirmed by official sources. Sime (talk) 01:04, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

EDIT: The only thing about The Underworld being a raid wing name is a speculation by players on reddit that it follows naming conventions as multi-wing raids (so really just speculation at this point). And if it turns out the new raid wing is called The Underworld, it should have its own page. Sime (talk) 01:31, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

When you walk up to the raid entrance in Lornar's Pass or the Lion's Arch Aerodrome, the header says The Underworld, with Hall of Chains as a wing on the button. Compare with Spirit Vale, which has a Forsaken Thicket header, and Bastion of the Penitent - which says Bastion of the Penitent above. Internally, this text string is Raid_Name, unlike the Wing_Name below it. I spent an hour doing this research and missed my regular and Wintersday dailies; RIP skin and AP. I think this article is too short for the lore to be separated from the (eventually more popular) raid article, especially with the lore being about most of the raid. While there is no confirmation that there are to be more wings in this raid, especially with Dhuum being a fiercesome foe, there's also a lot of the Underworld left to be dealt with, and the final cutscene of the raid has foreshadowing. We can also assume that because Forsaken Thicket had multiple wings, The Underworld will as well. Speculation aside, while it MAY refer to just the area in which the raid takes place, the string name is enough for me. And consistency. But I had better get that OWoG gold! Just you wait! — Cronos 02:43, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Both parties are wrong here. The raid map shows that Hall of Chains is a zone within the region "Underworld". Just saying.

Which is hierarchy of locations here is Winter's Vigil/Ice Wastes/Death's Landing (areas) -> Hall of Chains (zone) -> Underworld -> Tyria (mechanical world map)/The Mists (lore "world map").

In the case of Spirit Vale, which is distinctly different set up (a better comparison would be Bastion of the Penitent), the hierarchy is Spirit Vale/Salvation Pass/Stronghold of the Faithful (areas) -> Forsaken Thicket (zone) -> Heart of Maguuma (region) -> Tyria (world map).

In the case of Bastion of the Penitent, the hiarchy is: The Yard/The Holding/The Lockdown (areas) -> Bastion of the Penitent (zone) -> Woodland Cascades (lore region, maybe mechanical?) -> Tyria (world map). Konig (talk) 07:19, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

For the record of "reflect that Hall of Chains is not a standalone raid" [1] - Yes, yes it is. At least for now, and we've been given no real reason to believe there will be more, yet. Konig (talk) 07:22, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Konig, this is basicaly what I intended to say - but it was really late for me so I worded it poorly/it was not clear. Sime (talk) 08:40, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

This is convincing, but there is no label that shows Hall of Chains as a level 80 raid. The "Underworld" text could also be rushed placeholder, as it should say The Underworld for consistency, or even The Mists. Though because the first wing is on an underground map level, I have my doubts that the next wing will even be visible from the Hall of Chains world map. --— Cronos 09:45, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Technically, "the" is not always utilized when describing "the Underworld" - it's more used to denoting that it is the afterlife, and not some metaphorical underworld. Similar how we often say "the Black Citadel" over "Black Citadel", both are correct all the same though.

It is a bit weird that there is no label for Hall of Chains, but not out of the unexpected given that usually zone and region names disappear when zoomed in enough - it's more an oddity why "Underworld" appears than why "Hall of Chains" doesn't. It is also possible that they made a discrepancy between the map labels and everything else (not so much a placeholder as just an error in general).

Either way, the raid wing is called Hall of Chains, even if not on the map that's what all promotions, loading screens, and achievements, if not more, call it; it is located within The Underworld, within the Tyria world map (or continent), and there is no solid hint of future Underworld raid wings. Konig (talk) 18:34, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Obviously, it's a wing. ded gaem --— Cronos 22:55, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

(Reset indent) So I did a little API digging, and according to the API, Hall of Chains is a map located within the region of the Shiverpeak Mountains in the continent of Tyria, and the word "Underworld" doesn't show up anywhere(or not that I could find anyway).[2][3] Then I looked at Glenna's dialogue who says "Of course not. We're mortals. In the Underworld" and looked at the image Konig linked above. Then I went to the Hall of Chains (achievements) page, where the very first achievement I see, "Silencer", says "Hall of Chains raid instance". Based on those things, I think that all of the mechanical stuff is "Hall of Chains"(raid/raid wing/instance/area/whatever), but for the reason of story/lore "Underworld" is where the Hall of Chains raid instance is located in so they threw the name on the map, and that's it, nothing more to it. Well other than an anomaly, it'd be the only raid wing/raid to not have it's name on the map. I hope all of that makes sense, I'm slightly distracted by dinner being soon, so my thought process might be a little wonky.

On another note, based on the image Konig posted, I'm wondering if this page should be moved to just "Underworld" since it doesn't have "the" on the map and most stuff that links here that isn't a talk page or it was in the location section doesn't have the "the" capitalized(the only pages that had it capitalized and not as a location was Black Widow and Nightmare and both of those were player written descriptions). Not to mention the mail for Hall of Chains says "Underworld creatures" not, "the Underworld's creatures" and all of the item's I could find with "Underworld" were had no "the": Underworld Offering, Underworld Dominance, Underworld Essence, Underworld Murk, and Underworld Shadow. - Do_odleplex 01:07, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

@Cronos: A lot of people think that just because it's a wing, means there'll be another. Sometimes, a raid consists of one wing. See Bastion of the Penitent. That's what I was getting at.

@Doodle: TBH, API is not always trustworthy for documentation. Mount Maelstrom and Sparkfly Fen are, IIRC, labeled under Steamspur Mountains region in the API, but other than that and the world map, everything labels it at Maguuma.

As for the page move, I think that unless we're going to treat the map labeling as a zone/region/whatever, it should remain as "the Underworld" since that's 98% (give-take) how it's referenced. I'm not against a move. As for why "the" isn't capitalized - more out of writer's preference than actual lore there. Often you'll see "the Mists" rather than "The Mists" for example. Konig (talk) 06:32, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

We all know it's a wing, not a raid. --— Cronos 01:48, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Comments go at the bottom my man. And do you have proof to say there will be more than one wing to our third raid? Just because the community has gotten used to calling it "wing 5" doesn't make it actually so. It's technically "raid 3", and Bastion of the Penitent is "raid 2" not "wing 4" - one can argue "raid 2/3 wing 1" if one must use wing terminology but "wing 4/5" is outright wrong. Konig (talk) 02:13, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

I think you're missing what we're arguing. --— Cronos 02:26, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

You've been arguing that Halls of Chain is the wing of the raid "Underworld" ("the header says The Underworld, with Hall of Chains as a wing on the button" "there is no label that shows Hall of Chains as a level 80 raid"), I've been saying the raid is "Halls of Chain" not "Underworld". Konig (talk) 19:08, 24 December 2017 (UTC)