Talk:Renown Heart/Archive 1

Filled

Do we know if they stay filled as the event-cycle renews and/or the tasks done are undone by an event?--Mark, het Beest 09:13, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

So far it seems they behave like traditional quests - you do it once, and it's done, never needs to be done again. Makes more sense, anyway, since resetting them might lure some players back to areas where they've already spent a lot of time, fairly contrary to their intended purpose of guiding exploration. --TeaBeforeWar 13:37, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

So if you look at your map, considering you spoke to every scout in the game, and every heart is filled, you basically completed everythin in gw2? -- Michiel - 14:11, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Nah. They just point players towards event hotspots. Even if one completed every possible event in every possible way and execution order, there's still be achievements, personal story, dungeons... Mediggo 14:13, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

As Hearts are not everything, you can complete every heart and still have a lot to do. Events just happen in the area of hearts, but they are not one in the same. And then there's the other things Mediggo mentioned (at least). Konig/talk 21:58, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

And there are already over 15,000 events, plus they are going to be adding more as once it launches :) I wouldn't doubt though, if they have some sort of title based on filling up all the hearts. --Moto Saxon 01:10, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Reminds me of zelda: a link to the past. Could NEVER find all the damned hearts before endgame. Ohwell. Justice 05:18, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Category?

I've gone ahead and made sub-pages for hearts by region. Hopefully this will be useful. Should a category be made for these lists as well? Redshift 18:02, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't think a list per region is necessary. We can set up a dpl list akin to gw1:List of Prophecies quests, having each region be a different section of one page - for the time being [[List of hearts]] and in the future, when we get additional games, move said list to something else. I'd agree with categories - one per area (no need for region imo), and when we get the second GW2 game a category-by-game - but for the time being a mere [[Category:Hearts]]. Konig/talk 01:02, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Individual pages

Do we want each individual heart objective to have a page? I feel it's a tad redundant, but there have been some pages cropping up as they are misplaced as events. Redshift 10:38, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Like how on the [[List of hearts in Ascalon]] page there is listed events instead of hearts? Mediggo 10:47, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you're referring to; all of those listed are heart objectives. Redshift 10:53, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Technically it's just a list of events. I recognize many from a recent demo gameplay video. I'd figured that events deserve a list of their own, with corresponding hearts simply linking to them, instead of describing possible rewards, outcomes and whatnot. After all, the purpose of hearts is to simply guide a player to an area where events occur. There are also many hidden events, and I doubt there's any hearts leading to them. Mediggo 11:10, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm honestly not quite sure what you're referring to or if our lines are getting crossed. :] Are you suggesting that a heart objective have a page with a list of events (like that of List of hearts...) that could contribute to its progress? If so, this would be an interesting inclusion and possibly warrant each heart having its own individual page. What makes me hesitant is the amount of broadness and redundancy that comes up through such documentation. Redshift 11:27, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

I was trying to reply your question about individual heart pages. Sorry for making this confusing.

I think that each event should have their own pages. Then we'd have a list of hearts/heart objectives (so confusing) which link to these events (just as hearts direct players to events in game). That instead of documenting the events, their goals and rewards, on heart objective pages.

I was under impression that to complete a heart one has to participate and complete multiple events in an area. It doesn't seem that completing them is tied to just one event. Mediggo 11:40, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Haha, ahh, I see. As it is now, events are going to have their own page regardless. I think having a small section of 'hearts connected/progressed by this event' makes sense. You are correct in that completion of a heart asks for participation in more than one event in an area. It can also mean participation in very few events--a lot of them have a 'gather/destroy this environmental object' component, which isn't necessarily event related.

I believe there still is a need for a comprehensive heart listing and their own documentation, but between a mention on contributing event pages and the rest of the information (reward, area, description, etc) being compiled in the 'list of...' pages, I'm thus wondering about the necessity of having each heart objective have its own page. (Gotta run, but thanks for feedback!) Redshift 11:55, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I'm in favor of listing all the hearts instead of having individual page for each of them. I guess I should have just said that in the first place. lol Mediggo 13:24, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) (Edit conflict) I am mostly concerned about the consistency; if all the events get their own pages, then the hearts should simply link to the event(s) which is/are required to fill said heart. The hearts won't end up with individual articles (as stated before, that would be redundant), but every event tied to them will by default still have their own articles. I don't know what the most ideal way to go about it is right now, but when beta time comes around things should be blatantly obvious. Perhaps that time will even appoint a working system we currently have not thought of. Individual articles per event seems to be the standard at this point, though. The two articles I removed the tag from definitely sounded like events to me, which should explain the reasoning behind it all. As per [[Talk:Help Ayomichi slow the spread of undead corruption|Redshift]], I decided to respond to it here. - Infinite - talk 19:23, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Thing is, hearts have actually nothing to do with events. You fill a heart by fulfilling any objective listed in the heart's in-game description ; whether you do that as part of an event or not doesn't seem to matter at all, from what I've seen of demo footage — though, of course, nearby events tend to help towards fulfilling the heart, usually by spawning the required foes to kill. Which is why the current system looks fine to me — it lists all the objectives ; all you could do is add events that might help towards filling the heart, which is rather useless. As for the pages, they are definitely hearts and not events, so they seem useless to me. -Alarielle- 19:52, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Certain hearts currently require a certain event to be attended to be filled, for which hearts it makes sense to link the event. Other than that I agree. :) - Infinite - talk 19:57, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Well, after two edit conflicts... Just to chip in, this presents a bit of a conundrum, as, if I'm interpreting correctly, that entails the addition of more information. At present, the system in place is that hearts and their information are compiled into their current lists for reference and also mentioned on each relevant contributing event's respective page. Having each heart objective link to their contributing events would, I believe, in essence require a heart have a separate page to have another instance of extant information as that inclusion is too unwieldy for the current list.

As for an issue of consistency, I don't see it similarly out of my disconnect between the two. My mantra, as it is becoming, is that hearts are not events :D. As such, Alarielle and I had gone ahead and put those two pages into their deletion candidacies.

Which hearts require certain events? I honestly can't recall having seen any hearts with a mandatory attendance... ::tilts head:: Redshift 20:07, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

If I recall correctly (perhaps from outdated footage), most hearts in Shaemoor fields are/were directly tied to events involving the farmers and their land. I don't recall any other fashion in which these hearts could be completed. - Infinite - talk 20:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I see some misunderstandings around here, let me clear things up, althought I cannot provide evidence about what I'm going to say (because there's no way I'm reviewing videos to do so) I hope this can be helpful - Hearts are completed by doing almost any kind of stuff in that heart area, that is killing foes, whether they are part of an event or not, helping with the tasks (for example the forge in the charr zone, or the farm tasks in shaemoor) or via completing events, maybe even more stuff. Hearts do not require to do particular things, you can fill any heart by repeatedly doing the same whatever thing you choose to do over and over, or by doing varied stuff. Also they are related to at least the first part of the personal story, when they ask you to help whoever you want in the area, which means completing at least 1 heart in that zone. A year ago hearts were way more confusing and that's why all that doubts arose I guess, I myself started a discussion on a scout talkpage but we couldn't quite figure it out how it worked, as most videos of shaemoor were very confusing, due to the completion of an event giving a lot of progress to the heart bar, which basically made all hearts be completed when an event was completed, and due to that personal story first objective I mentioned - Bitter 20:45, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

With regard to Shaemoor Fields, I believe that it's a mostly a situation of Shaemoor Fields being so early in the timeline in terms of shown builds. Compared to that, the hearts now have levels, related descriptions, and more to interact with: the dam, for instance, has clearing dirt and patching leaks in addition to slaying harpies, and the orchard has apples to collect and spiders to kill. And yes, Shaemoor Fields being a low-level area and introduction to the heart system also complicated/s things :). Redshift 21:11, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Rewards

Aren't rewards based on the participation level of players? As in the bronze, silver, gold levels? I think this hasn't changed yet, but it doesn't reflect that in the table of the list of area's. Ge4ce-Talk-Contribs 19:16, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Hearts are not events. Events have the participation level you are thinking about. Redshift 19:19, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Ahhh, so you get a reward from the heart after failing/succeeding an event? Ge4ce-Talk-Contribs 05:47, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Hearts are independent from events with their own separate progress bar. Events just happen to share the same goals. Once you fill up the heart's progress bar, whether through interacting with an environmental object or contributing to/completing an event that aligns with with the heart's objectives, you get a one-time payout and the heart is filled. Redshift 11:07, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Renaming to "Renown Regions" ?

As far as I know, the official term ArenaNet uses for "hearts" is "renown regions". Do you think this article should be changed accordingly ? Nemui 04:38, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I've heard them use the term "hearts" in various videos, so I'd like to ask for where you saw "renown regions" from. Konig/talk 17:46, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

here I believe [1] Alfa-R 04:40, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Renown Regions, Hearts and Renown Hearts have all been used in official statements. So it doesn't really matter which one we use. Glastium talk 05:02, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

From my understanding of that quote in the article, is that "renown region" refers to the area affected by a heart (due to the use of "represent" and "setting" along with the definition of region). That is, a renown region is an area influenced by a heart; a heart is a bar which one can fill by doing things within a renown region; renown heart can be either the combination (a heart and its influenced area) or the long form of hearts. I'll support renown heart, but I oppose to renown region, as it can be confusing (hearts are self-explanatory if one has ever looked at a GW2 map, while renown region may be confused with regions like Kryta or Shiverpeak Mountains). Konig/talk 05:11, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Coming in a bit late, but I'm mostly in agreement with Konig. The article mentioned was a little troublesome in that in talking about hearts they really talked about renown regions, which I agree are a separate concept. I'd prefer to keep the page at Heart, as, as far as I've seen, this is what players will be familiar with in-game. If it does change then we can make a redirect to 'Renown Heart' or whatever term is applied, but as it is I think the current location makes the most sense. Redshift 12:16, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

I'd also agree with Konig, but I think the move to Renown Heart would be a good thing. Mostly because the term "renown" is apparently very much linked to these hearts / regions, and leaving it out entirely is confusing. -- NilePenguin 17:21, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Page moved. Should I remove the talk page as well so this talk can be moved too? -- ab.er.rant 05:29, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Since the talk page was only about how it was improperly moved, it won't be missing anything from a delete and move. Konig/talk 12:51, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to return to this, but have we conflated 'renown regions' with hearts, or has the mechanic of a grouping of activities contributing towards a finite measurement of progress actually, specifically been called 'renown regions' at some point? I know it's a little bit labored, but I think it worthwhile to not get careless with this idea. Redshift 03:47, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

In interviews and blog posts, they have been referred to as hearts, renown hearts, and renown regions. In game, they seem solely called tasks, but I don't think the in-game was looked into beyond the map completion list. Konig/talk 05:34, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

So, basically,

these are just quests? I'm sorry but the page is difficult to understand. 71.194.87.164 04:31, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

From what I understand, they're more like an evolution of quests. You don't "get a quest". You just enter a renown heart region and start playing. Certain things that you can do gives you progress, sort of like "quest progress", but you don't actually have to go "get the quest first". -- ab.er.rant 05:41, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

One way to look at it is an automatically given, automatically rewarded static one-time region-centric quest. Of course, that's using the term "quest" in the most generic of understanding and that being "a task to do that can or does include adventuring in a video game." Konig/talk 07:29, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Move to Task?

These are only ever referred to in-game as "tasks". Random Googlers are unlikely to find our information under "Renown Heart". Any objection to me moving this article (and all related articles) to refer to "tasks" instead of hearts in general?

I will put in redirects from the relevant heart titles to here, as I suspect it will be a common search term.

—Tanaric 20:12, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

No objection, but instead of moving every other month, why don't we wait until release to see what the final name for them is? Konig/talk 20:49, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Reasonable. I did notice today that one of the beta surveys referred to this as a "renown heart", so it might be best to wait until the messaging at release. —Tanaric 04:45, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

From my understanding, it's just that there are multiple names to these - "Task" is the shorted hand, and "Heart" is another short hand, but the long hand is "Renown Region" and "Renown Heart" (interchangable). Konig/talk 05:01, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

I think it isn't unlikely that they just want a single, short name for it and "Task" fits better than "Rewnown Region" or "Renown Heart". It seemed to be all Task in the last BWE; if it's still like that in the next BWE and we don't get any mentions of "Renown Regions" or "Renown Hearts" in that month, I suggest we do move it to Task. Fine for now though. -- NilePenguin 22:26, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I also vote to move this to "Task" since that's what they're called in game. talk 16:24, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

I would say task is the shorthand to refer to hearts, the game does refer to them as sorts of things, renown rewards, hearts,tasks. Maby instead of moving all the pages it might be a better idea just to setup a redirect to every page. So things like List of tasks in Blazeridge Steppes redirects to List of hearts in Blazeridge Steppes. --Dr.Mobius 18:16, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Rewards after completion

Is it worthwhile to post the rewards NPC's offer after completion of a heart? I took a few screengrabs of most of the Queensdale NPC's goods. I'm new to the wiki so kinda clueless on how exactly to do so but I have no problem emailing screens to someone if it's useful. --Noxicon 22:39, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

On the individual NPCs' pages. Konig/talk 23:51, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Move please

Could this page please be moved over renown heart? -- aspectacle  17:18, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

My only question is: Why? Officially termed names - and Renown Heart is an official term - are capitalized while unofficial lowercase. So the proposed move would be breaking the naming system. Konig/talk 18:19, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Psst - todo item for the adventerous...

I've been filling some of the hearts peeps in on the WIki, and in the Talk pages I've been adding descriptions for what they sell, but that stuff by and large doesn't have pages yet on the wiki. I might get around to filling some of it in before the next beta, but not all of it. *nudge*nudge* Torrenal 05:16, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Dynamic events overflap with hearts.

If a dynamic event is close enough to an event you may be able to fill a heart very fast rather than doing the heart alone. It kinda defeats the purpose of doing hearts alone especially those that require special event items to complete.Yumiko ^,~ 21:34, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Renown hearts progress is still individual to each character, so kills made by other players which you don't participate in won't count towards heart progression. Mediggo 07:20, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I find the random extra events helpful, because some of the heart tasks can get downright tedious otherwise. The ones at the raven, snow leopard, and bear shrines in Wayfarer Foothills were especially so, and I welcomed the events with the dredge (at snow leopard) and the Sons of Svanir (at bear) to help me complete those hearts quickly. —Dr Ishmael 14:23, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

It got my attention now, I'm *almost* sure that hearts are individual, but if another players help it will still count for *your* progression, therefore renown heart progression is shared, no? - Valento 01:07, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

When it's simple interaction-type tasks, like feeding a fish to a bear cub or wiping off graffiti, it definitely only counts what you do. When there are enemies to be killed, though, it works on a similar system as for XP and loot - if you "participated" in killing that enemy, then you get XP, loot, and heart progress. —Dr Ishmael 01:27, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Ahh, you're right, now it makes sense. - Valento 05:50, 16 June 2012 (UTC)