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uh ok is this the 3rd dragon lol and DRAKKAR scares me but nothin else does lol--Vander ( its my nickname k )

This just doesn't sound like Rotscale to me... -- Armond Warblade 22:59, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

No, we already kill rotscale. Lord Belar 23:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Just like we killed Glint. Kai Nui 23:45, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

No, we defeated Glint, not killed her. She still helps us later in the storyline, obviously we only KO'd her --Gimmethegepgun 02:06, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Wait,the UNDEAD dragon? what killed it in the first place and who resurrected it to make it "undead"?

We'll find out, won't we? Cress Arvein 19:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

It's probably alive and just lords over undead like a minion master with death magic attribute over 9000. Laserblasto! 06:37, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

But thats over 9000!!!! 99.29.91.57 06:28, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Cataclysm killed it. Primordus undeaded it. 24.67.173.150 08:12, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

cataclysm cant have killed it because all the dragons went into rest before humans arrived

As to what made it undead. That is currently unknown. There are two theories, both interlinking with the Cataclysm and the Orrian Undead. The first is that the Cataclysm killed and turned the Dragon into an Undead. This theory means that the dragon was alive prior but was killed and raised with all the other Orrians. This would mean that ancient, unlimited, magic is strong enough to kill the Ancient Dragons *which may mean that, in order to defeat the dragons, we will have to unlock the bloodstones with King Doric's ancestor's blood*. The second theory is that it was undead from before it went into hibernation, and that when the Cataclysm struck, the dragon's power was unleashed and turned the Orrians into undead. Similar to how the Nornbear was formed from Drakkar's magic. -- Konig Des Todes 03:18, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

or that the dragon isn't undead at all it just controls the dead, as Laserblasto said before its just like a necromancer --Penners 12:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

The dragon is undead. From the Movement of the World (first sentence under Orr) - "Risen from the ocean by the will of a powerful undead dragon'..." Also, there is concept art from Utopia/EN titled "Undead Dragon" - which is believed to be the concept art for this dragon, though that is unconfirmed and it is most likely that the dragon's appearance may change. -- Konig Des Todes 20:37, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I think he's just a dragon that controls the dead, because if he is undead doesn't it mean he had to die before? --Majere 17:56, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

dragon locaion

isnt the undead dragon in the The Catacombs in ascalon. but here it says "the undead dragon rose from the depths" -ice king luke 2:3, may 19

The thing which you see in the Catacombs of Ascalon are simply bones. Nothing more. The undead dragon is underneath Orr. -- Konig Des Todes 02:49, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Zhaitan

WOOT-- Shew talk 10:42, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Name spelling

How do we know this is how they spell his name? I didn't exactly see subtitles on the trailer Silavor 10:44, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

GuildWars2.com-- Shew talk 10:45, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, beneath the video is a short background explanation. -- Pling \ talk 10:46, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Undead dragon

Well, that's one more dragon name we know for sure now, right? So anyhow, the trailer made Zhaitan seem like the main enemy, rather than Primordus, to me. --- -- talkpage 11:24, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

doh, didn't realise we had that article. I'll do some moving >< -- Pling \ talk 11:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Done, I think that worked. -- Pling \ talk 11:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks good to me Silavor 11:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, Zhaitan may be the "first" Main Enemy, but as the dragons re-surface, we may find out there are major badasses around; just as Primordus, its own name sugest he was the first, and thus, the most powerful. -- Large 17:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

It is said Zhaitan is the strongest of all the beings in Tyria. So I doubt Primordus, while the "first" isn't stronger than Zhaitan - at the time, at least. -- Konig/talk 18:45, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that might be true. To support your theory, Jadoth was the first MArgonite, yet the strongest was Mallyx. -- Large 19:38, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

The first opponent encountered and fought is often thought to be the strongest... until you meet the NEXT opponent, and realize enemy number one was nothing more than a light warm up. That could very well be the case here.99.241.34.49 02:24, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

If you mean in accordance to order of the dragons awakening (thus Primordus being the weakest), that would mean Kralkatorrik the strongest dragon, but Zhaitan is point blank stated to be the strongest, not the middle strength (which would be the case in that). And if a dragon is fought in a later expansion that turns out stronger than Zhaitan, then that'll go against the lore. -- Konig/talk 03:11, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Picture

Not sure if we're allowed to take images from the movie, but you'd think that since it was created by aNet it would be ok. But anyway, here's Zhaitan:

Zhaitan

Silavor 11:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Added to the article. It's a bit fuzzy, but it's better than nothing. -- Pling \ talk 11:35, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry about that. My computer's not the greatest in the world when it comes to graphics. Silavor 11:40, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

No worries, he didn't appear for long so it was probably hard to capture it anyway. Plus he's not in a very clear position at any time, he's always blocked by some rocks or something >.> -- Pling \ talk 11:45, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Well if the picture is in small state you don't see it is that fuzzy. Don't enlarge it and it should be good ^^ |Cyan LightLive!| 12:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I've uploaded a better res image from the HD quicktime file. Auslander 14:35, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Palawa Joko primary general for this dragon?

as Palawa Joko is a general / king of the undead do we think it safe to say he supports this dragon or like the great destroyer is his strongest general?76.186.231.215 16:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Zhaitan and Joko are in a war against each other, according to the Movement of the World. -- Konig/talk 16:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. So either one wipes the other out and makes things easier for us, or one takes over the other army, and all hell breaks loose. Mat Cauthorn, The Botanist 16:47, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Or, once more, we team up with Joko to take out Zhaitan. Or force Zhaitan to fight a two sided war, which is hard to do. -- Konig/talk 16:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

TECHNICHLY all hell had broken loose, so this is classfies as 'HOLY SHIT WERE BONED" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 99.52.93.171 (talk • contribs) at 20:06, 21 August 2009 (UTC).

OR we sneak in as a small party and destroy Zhaitan with weapons made of Bloodstone before he notices us. Paddymew 21:31, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

OR Undead will endup being a playable race under the controle of Joko :P. Who Knows?! xD --BloodStain 19:17, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

As a Necro through and through, I want this option. 'cept for the "under the controle" bit, I want to replace the noob. A F K When Needed 19:22, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Trivia?

Zhaitan is close to Shaitan, or, specifically, Shaytan, an islamic word for "The Devil". Check here: [1] Also, Zhaitan is a village in China. -- Large 17:16, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Anet loves using Hebrew references for the bad guys it seems. Abaddon, Apocrypha, and now Zhaitan. Shaitan is also in Christianity as "the Great Beast." Hmmm, Great Beast... Great Destroyer... possible connection via influence? *shrugs* -- Konig/talk 18:46, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Shaytan is Arabic, not Hebrew. -~=Sparky (talk) 18:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Let me rephrase. Anet loves using Abrahamic references. The same religion, more or less, thus the same kind of reference. -- Konig/talk 20:45, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

About the Shaitan trivia. In terms of pronunciation, Shaitan is actually pronounced to sound like "Sheytahn", wheareas Zhaitan sounds like, well, Zhaitan. I dont think ANet planned on the similarities though. EDIT: always forget to sign Damien Hellchaser 15:35, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I find it hard to believe that they randomly thought of a name one letter away from "Shaitan," considering they've based other creatures on Biblical names like Konig said.-- Shew 16:10, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

It said on the GWW1 site that much of the orrian boss names were in arabic, as well as Vizer Khilbron. So it can't be that surprising that they are using an islamic word. Haru 18:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Orr

How come Zaithan wasn't hurt when orr sunk? a whole peninsula just fell on him --Majere 17:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Hes a ancient dragon? :P. Doubt that even did a scratch tbh. Who knows? --BloodStain 17:41, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh well poor Zaithan i guess this is why he was awaken --Majere 18:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Took him a few years then. Fox007 19:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Of course it did, do you know how hard it is to dig all the way back up :P --Majere 20:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

It's a Dragon which is more powerfull then the gods themself don't think he actually thinks about working. Fox007 21:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe thats why he's undead? 99.29.91.57 06:37, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

The term "Undead Dragon" is used in the same context as "Dragon of Ice and Snow" or "Fire Dragon" (Jormag and Primordus respectively). I don't think that Jormag is made of ice and snow or Primordus being made of fire. Instead, that is what they're seen twisting. Thus, Zhaitan is called the undead dragon because he twists the dead into "undead" (though I don't consider them traditional undead as in them being dead that walks, but instead life created from dead bodies in a similar manner to Svanir being corrupted - just the body being, well, dead). -- Konig/talk 13:14, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Dwarven Legend

The trailer says this is the beast of Dwarven legend. To be precise, "a dragon whose name is written in the legends of the Dwarfs". I wonder if "Zhaitan" was the name written in the Tome of the Rubicon that we destroyed in "Unspeakable, Unknowable". It echoes nicely with other fantasy conventions against speaking the name of the bad guy (Sauron in LOTR and Shai'tan in The Wheel of Time). That would mean that the EotN "Great Destroyer" was not, in fact, the Great Destroyer that the Dwarfs were waiting for. After all, Alkar says that the name would be spoken at the time of the "final confrontation", but the Great Destroyer is never named in EofN. Now the races of Tyria have to face Zhaitan without the aid of the stone Dwarfs (though obviously a few remain, there's one in the trailer). Might explain why things went so bad so quickly: broken prophecies are NEVER a good thing. -- MrSmiles 21:43, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

same one?

http://tinfoilgames.com/gallery.php?catid=2&itemid=156 — Balistic 23:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Unknown. That concept art could be early Zhaitan concept art or it could be of something like a new "Bone Dragon, but the confirmed concept art for Zhaitan is on the article. -- Konig/talk 23:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Trailer

This dragon was the only one mentioned in the trailer. Has primary foe status shifted from primoudus to this beast?

Well, i think the trailer was only focusing on one dragon. There will probably be more trailers, explaining the destruction that the other dragons have caused. --BloodStain 16:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

According to an interview after gamescon, the initial storyline will focus on one dragon, with the other dragons to fight (but not necessarily kill). I think based on this trailer, Zhaitan will be that dragon. -- Konig/talk 19:57, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Zhaitan is the dragon that has caused the most damage to the world, so its natural that the guild wars staff would focus on that dragon's lore more then the others as of yet.--Neithan Diniem 03:43, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't believe that Primordus was ever mentioned to be the primary foe. He was simply the first of the ancient dragons to awaken. — PonyX 23:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

You are correct, Primordus was only mentioned to be the dragon in which the Great Destroyer serves and the first to rise up (2 generations after EN). -- Konig/talk 00:36, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Isn't it said that there will be smaller story arcs that you can do in any order before some "final confontation," much like EotN's story(charr/asura/norn-HoS-DD-ATFH)? Perhaps each dragon will be an individual arc. Haru 18:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Those small story arcs are said to be the individual races' personal issues (for instance, the Charr will have the Flame Legion, the Sylvari will have the Nightmare Court, the humans have the White Mantle) along with some "get to gether" story arcs (Asura and Sylvari are at each other, Humans and Charr, Norn is unknown for their opponent playable race). At least, this is according to previous interviews. And as said above, it was stated by Anet that only 1 dragon will be killed, others can be fought though. -- Konig/talk 03:11, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

The Norn are having conflict between them and the Dredge. Also the white mantle that remains has gone to a small underground type organization as said in I believe The Movement of The World. - 70.31.72.175 15:42, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

That plus the Norn are very likely to pull a Norn vs. Everyone else. It seems in their nature.--Łô√ë Çåŕð ├┤ëŕô 22:40, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

@IP: I was only mentioning the playable vs. playable race conflicts, which is why I didn't bring up Norn vs Dredge :P. There are many more than those I named. @ Hero: I doubt that they'd be against everyone, as the Movement states that they stay out of the manners of Ascalon (thus the Charr), and are fairly far from Sylvari and Asura. And are said to be on peaceful (though loose) terms with humans (loose due to the Norn not liking the queen). -- Konig/talk 13:16, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Resemblance

Anybody else notice a little resemblance to the Lich [2] from Guild Wars 1?

I think its a little uncanny. 76.29.214.197 18:42, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

It makes sense, the Lich was from Orr, which was located on top of the Dragon Zhaitan (or at least near it) while Zhaitan slept, so it follows that the magic used by the Lich to raise the Orrian undead would be based off Zhaitan's own magic. (Satanael | talk) 19:53, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

There's been theories over on the lore forums (of GW1Guru, GW2Guru, and GWO) that Khilbron's appearance was caused from the proximity to Zhaitan. I find it unlikely that the gw1:Lost Scrolls' magic came from Zhaitan, but it might have "stirred" Zhaitan, causing his magic to afflict and twist a few guys, like Khilbron. -- Konig/talk 23:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Both Orrian and Both Liches.(Dragon Lich/Humanoid Lich)--Neil2250 , The Zoologist 09:07, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Zhaitan's General

I swear, it looks like Dhuum got corrupted by Zhaitan - doubt that's Dhuum, but the armor and the color looks like it... -- Konig/talk 05:48, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure that is Zhaitans general? Did workers at a-net confirm it? Also, i thought most of the dragons generals were dragons themselves...eg. The Shatterer, The Great Destroyer? It looks really cool though, maybe he will be riding on a dragon? :P 85.114.54.166 15:35, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

The image was given by Anet to GuildMag - I would assume that they gave the names as well with them. I didn't upload them so I wouldn't know. Personally, I'm glad not all of the Elder Dragons' generals are dragons. -- Konig/talk 20:29, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Dutch Sunshine is a user on the wiki, you know --Neil • 14:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Racist Trivia?

Lol you guys are gonna laugh so hard when you see my user page -.-, this has nothing to do with it regardless, Shaitan is the ISMLAMIC DEVIL not the "arabic demon" yes, in Arabic it is shaitan... but still...--Drewlark99 (1337) 13:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I was tempted to change that, but I'm not really certain of arabic or islamic folklore. -- Konig/talk 18:54, 30 September 2010 (UTC)