Talk:Halloween/Festival content

Deletion

I'm not sure if this page should be deleted - it holds the Halloween-unique NPCs/objects for Lion's Arch, which I don't think is held elsewhere, as well as the LA Halloween loading screen. Just as I wouldn't say gw1:Lion's Arch (Halloween) was necessary (and I bet that because of GWW's event-version articles of locations that this one was made), I don't think its unnecessary. If the reason for deletion is because "I only found it over a dpl querry which is also hard to reach" then I think the solution is not deletion but expanding on means to get to this article. Konig/talk 05:35, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

The problem is this article repeats many things which are on the original Lion's arce page. The Table as well as the infobox are totally unneccessary. You are right a deletion is probably not he best solution, but a major rewrite is definitly needed as well as a link from the Lion's Arch article to this one.

An additional question is if we do a Lion's Arch Wintersday article, that would include the 3 activities you can do in lions arch during winterday as well as the loading screnn etc. - Yandere 06:10, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

We can easily omit the repeating information such as the pet aquisition and location tab and have a {{see|Lion's Arch#<section>}} going - same concept that was done for HM quests on GWW for the dialogue section. I disagree on the infobox notion, given that the infobox is what holds the loading screen and an image of the halloween decorations.

Whether we want an LA Wintersday article, I'd say yes if we keep this. Konig/talk 10:24, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

The problem I have with the infobox is that the some information is still doubled which makes the information on this page harder to mentain. For example the number of poi in Lion's Arch has changed. We could of cause insert the information on this page per dpl querry but that is a bit overkill I think.

I would say a gallery is much more interesting. For example the Mystic Forge looked diffrent on Helloween. I have a picture of the great pot I wanted to upload but when I remember correctly the infobox is already on its maximum picture capacity. The more I think about is a gallery of all notable and interesting changes would be much more informative than the infobox. - Yandere 11:51, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

This is Halloween 2012 material. A gallery of LA would be more relevant on that page and articles related to Halloween get categorized as such. Same thing with Wintersday content in the cities.--Relyk 13:40, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't see the number of PoI an issue given that there weren't as many during Halloween (however, I don't think its necessary to denote such). Nothing prevents us from having both the infobox and a gallery, by the way. @Relyk: Thing is, decorations isn't the only change - there's NPCs, interactive objects, events, dialogues (which sadly I don't think anyone documented for Halloween) and so forth. That's a lot of information to document on Halloween 2012 or Shadow of the Mad King. Konig/talk 13:44, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

As a sucker for historical content, I think this article should not be deleted. Rewritten, probably, but definitely kept. - Infinite - talk 14:16, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

We could just omit the map completion numbers from the infobox... —Dr Ishmael 16:11, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

So I guess we keep the article, I will remove the tag and we sould put in some consideration how these Lion's Arch through the seasons article should be structured in general. Since we should create a [[Lion's Arch (Wintersday)]] article. - Yandere 22:13, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Merge (2020)

I disagree with the merge. Before I repurposed the article to collect all current Halloween npcs and objects (many of which had been previously either orphaned or non-existent for 8 years) and added the ambient dialogue from the Dialogue subpage to have conveniently all things in the same place, no one had problems with the article that was (barely) documenting historical stuff for the several past years. As I said, my goal was to have all Halloween NPCs, objects and dialogue in one convenient place to prevent their spread over the wiki (which is still a mess with the ambient dialogue on festival npc pages) to decrease the necessary clicking; I was told that unnecessary clicking to find content is our biggest issue and I agree.

HOWEVER, before the updates to this page it was impossible to find the Halloween content in LA in one place + dialogue had its own subpage, so repurposing this article in fact decreased the necessary clicking immesurably. In my opinion, merging this article with the Halloween page (where it already has a header) would make the overview page insanely clogged, even with collapsible headers (otherwise enjoy the 10 minute scroll time). Also, splitting the npc/objects page with the dialogue and creating a subpage for it again would again increase the neccessary clicking and info spread, basically reverting the goal and to have all things in one place, maintaining the previous status quo. However, it is possible I am wrong and this content (yes, including the Priory Scholar npcs that aren't present in the spot in LA outside Halloween, Doodle ;)) can be neatly merged with the Halloween page without clogging it and/or losing information, but currently I have no idea how it would look and work. ~Sime 14:37, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

I like this page as it is, it's good for reference purposes. I don't think merging a location with a festival page makes any sense, specially since Lion's Arch isn't the only location that changes during Halloween.

In my opinion, we should make "festival versions" of all locations that change during a festival, then link to those locations from the festival page. In the case of Halloween, that would include Lion's Arch (this page) plus the five areas inside each starting zone where "Mad King Thorn" appears.--Lon-ami (talk) 15:09, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Here's a proposal for "festival location" articles:

• Halloween: [[Lion's Arch (Halloween)]]
• Wintersday: [[Divinity's Reach (Wintersday)]]
• Super Adventure Festival: [[Rata Sum (Super Adventure Festival)]]
• Dragon Bash: [[Hoelbrak (Dragon Bash)]]
• Festival of the Four Winds: [[Divinity's Reach (Festival of the Four Winds)]]
• Lunar New Year: [[Divinity's Reach (Lunar New Year)]]

Note that only those locations with significant changes would deserve their own article. Alternatively, we could follow a "Divinity's Reach (festival)" model and include everything festive there. I prefer a split per festival since the location infobox would have a different loading screen in each case.--Lon-ami (talk) 15:40, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Reworked the proposal to something simpler.--Lon-ami (talk) 16:12, 15 November 2020 (UTC)