Talk:Stun break

I'm not sure why, but not all the skills which breaks stun and have breakstun effect on their skill infobox appear here. Mediggo 16:31, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Gah, stupid DPL and its bloody stupid applying the 500 result limit before applying any filters. I think I know a better way to do it anyway. —Dr Ishmael 16:41, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

There. Feel free to split up by weapon/utility/etc. —Dr Ishmael 16:48, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

That's more like it. :) On top of my head, I can't remember any traits which grant situational stun break but elementalists' "stun break on conjure" which was removed before release. Mediggo 16:53, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure about Desperate Decoy - When you successfully evade an attack, gain vigor., so I will not put it on the list until further testing will be done. Dorid The Blue (talk) 08:34, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

SMW powa

Should we make the list automated (with some notes at the bottom for special cases)? Example at User:JonTheMon/stunbreaks‎ Also, it's a little ugly since it's mashing the regular profession template and the skill icon template into a new template. --JonTheMon (talk) 16:54, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

That's how you do it, mashing templates together is beautiful. I didn't bother changing to SMW because Virtue of Courage has the special condition.--Relyk ~ talk < 17:46, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I suppose you could list the exceptions (if there are a few) ahead of the skills, so you know that there are non-skill stun breaks. --JonTheMon (talk) 18:32, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Could list the trait separately, or a "skills with special conditions" section people love to do.--Relyk ~ talk < 18:44, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, I was thinking having a "Traited stun breaker" section then the "Stun breaker skills" section. Names are subject to change :P --JonTheMon (talk) 19:03, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

The normal order is to list plain skills first, then any special-situation skills, then traits. This would be a special-situation skill and should come after the standard skill list, SMW or no. —Dr Ishmael 20:37, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, back to this, is the list reduced in effectiveness too much when using SMW by not being able to combine skills with trait-related stun breaks? --JonTheMon (talk) 03:30, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Feedback 2016/12/24

Pain Absorb for revenants now breaks stun. --72.188.29.122 09:26, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Added, thanks for the feedback! —Ventriloquist 12:50, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Feedback 2022/10/10

I think the list of stun skills/traits should be split by whether they only stun break the person who used the skill or if they can also stunk break allies (or just a note if there's only a few that actually fit that description). --ItVictor (talk) 02:37, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

This list is created automatically based on the usage of {{skill fact|stun break}} on skill/trait page in the parameter facts. Unless you want to recreate this list by hand (and hence update it by hand every balance update), we would need to add a second parameter to the skill fact, e.g. {{skill fact|stun break|applies to=<self/allies>}} (we could assume one default type, for example "self"). Then this could be stored in the property Has secondary fact and we can query here for it.

Then, as you said, there are two possibilities to display it:

• Simply split the list in the two lists: self and ally, e.g. see Projectile finisher. Straightforward approach, but I'm not really a fan of this approach since ally stun break also breaks for the caster. This is totally fine for group play, but for solo play purposes the wiki user would have to look in both tables to get all their stun breaks... not that optimal.
• Keep one list and add the affected persons as note. Definitely the nicer approach, but that's way tricker to implement, pretty much nothing in this regard (showing custom properties) has been implemented yet, and in this case it would be nice to have this also in the filter table (again not done yet).

However, as long as the wiki bugs out after template edits and leaves the pages in an unparsed state, I'm avoiding to edit large-scale templates like skill fact. --Tolkyria (talk) 07:46, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

We can just have an additional list for skills that stunbreak allies. Some skills may be double listed for self/ally but I think that is fine. --BuffsEverywhere (talk) 08:47, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm now tending to solution 2. I think it could be interesting to turn this into universal concept (own skill fact parameter with an own property) that applies to the skill facts: all boons, healing and of course stun break. With an own property the two buttons "Self" and "Allies" could be also easily added to the filter box. --Tolkyria (talk) 15:35, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't really have a solution for how to implement this, but I'm just seconding the request for something on the wiki clearly delineating whether certain stunbreaks are "own" or "allies," since the wording of some of the skills is unfortunately vague about which they do. -- Timeoffire45 rawr 10:20, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Don't worry, once template editing is allowed again, I can easily implement this such that {{skill fact}} (used in the skill infoboxes) takes an addtional parameter, namely {{skill fact|stun break|applies to=<self (default case)/allies>}} which internally sets the property Applies to. Then we can either #ask for it to create two tables or print it out as property to for the filter buttons.

So for me the remaining question is the format: Is it visible and clear enough to place in the filter table box the line: "Applies to:" with the the two buttons "Self" and "Allies"? Note that this concept, as I said above, can be easily extended to skills that apply boons (e.g. Might) and skills that heal. --Tolkyria (talk) 19:18, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Added. Right now I simply split the list into a general stun break list and an allies only list. In order to show up in the allies only list you have to change the skill fact on the wanted skill page to {{skill fact|breaks stun|applies to=allies}}. It turns out that I'm not quite sure which skills are actually stun breaking allies, so that's definitely a good idea to implement, maybe someone can add the missing stun-breaks-allies-skills.

Later I might introduce the filter buttons "Applies to: Self" and "Applies to: Allies" and the reduce it to one list again. --Tolkyria (talk) 13:12, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Feedback 2023/06/09

firebrand elite mantra should be under the section of skills that stun break allies too