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Feel free to delete, just thought maybe these deserve own page as Grenth has one and Balthazar also Kemal 2.1.2008 2:49

I'd say a page on each of them would be good. I bet they'll be used in GW2, as they're kinda, you know, protagonists. -- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png 22:39, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm not so sure about the quote from gw1, though. Lord Belar 00:03, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Goddess of Water[edit]

Wait, what? --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 14:50, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I 'do' remember the do other people... Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 14:53, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Biography#Human Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 15:05, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
That's....odd. EiveTalk 15:22, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Not really. Water is symbolic of a lot of things, and goddess of "energy" only seemed logical in game mechanics which don't exist anymore. -- ķ̌yǾshĺ User Kyoshi sig.png 15:49, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Grenth got a demotion there. 16:31, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Grenth is the God of Ice. Abaddon had the title of water previously. Still odd to see that Lyssa take the mantle though... EiveTalk 16:45, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Maybe its a response to this. ;) Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 17:21, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to note that in GW1, almost every water skill dealt with ice rather than water - even Water Trident in GW1 looks like 3 shards of ice. With what Bahltek says in GW1 about water - that it can see past what the natural eye can see for instance - it makes perfect sense that Lyssa gets water. The question isn't "why did Lyssa get water" but rather "why did Kormir not get water?" seeing how Abaddon had it previously. My guess is that she didn't want it and went with spirit and order instead (order being an opposite of the rather chaotic water). -- Konig/talk 21:44, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Kormir didn't get water because Lyssa was the god of water. Abaddon wasn't really the god of anything anymore. –~=Ϛρѧякγ AHHH! (τѧιк) ←♥– 21:52, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
I must admit though, there are similarities between Lyssa's chaotic and corruptive powers and Abaddon's glowing purple torment creatures and rifts that I hadn't noticed until now. EiveTalk 21:54, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
"Lyssa's chaotic and corruptive powers" I'm sorry, but what powers are chaotic and corruptive? Lyssa is the goddess of beauty, illusion, and water. She's the patron goddess of mesmers, which use chaos damage, but her powers are not chaotic and definably not corruptive. -- Konig/talk 23:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Gee, that would've made a lot more impact if you actually used the correct word. Try 'definitely' next time :P. --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 23:41, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
What I think is interesting is how the domain of the gods isn't rigidly defined, rather a combination of the god's personality and a main theme. Abaddon was the god of secrets and water; Kormir became the goddess of truth and order, following a theme of "knowledge" but adapted to her own personality. Stands within reason that Abaddon probably had some personal link with water, making me wonder if the fact that the Margonites were a seafaring people was consequence or cause for the fallen god to be linked with the seas. I wonder what would have happened if Kormir had taken the place of a different god; if she had taken Dwayna's place, for example, would we have a goddess of mercy and nobility instead of a goddess over healing and protection? Erasculio 23:50, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Ok, "corruptive" was the wrong word... No need to flip out. But to quote the GW Nightfall Manuscripts "Behind her beautiful façade, some say, she maintains a deep communion with chaos." So to say she wasn't the least bit chaotic except by the coincidental name of a Mesmer attribute is a bit wrong. Anyways, I still see similarities between Abaddon and Lyssa. But by corruptive, I was alluding to multiple references to people sitting at her shrine and dieing of thirst. Perhaps, charming, would be a more appropriate word? EiveTalk 00:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Well, perhaps because water can show reflections and you can't always see what's truly underneath, which can link to what Lyssa signifies~ And its properties are somewhat elusive? In terms of science atleast (Ok, maybe not 'elusive', but certainly special) But all in all, assumptions. 01:14, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
I think we should all just accept that Lyssa deserves great things and great power because of her awesomeness. :)--BookofTyria 00:29, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure but I think the Elon River in Vabbi is connected to the Mirror of Lyss in Vabbi where the people revere her most. So maybe because of this she has taken upon the power of water.--BookofTyria 17:19, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

incorrect twin thing[edit]

its in the actual game game, how do we know this is incorrect? the scroll was found in orr, the city of the gods... Getefix 17:47, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

In Malchor's Leap there is the area "Garden of Ilya" and the Point of Interest "Spark of Ilya" - furthermore, there's mention of it being Ilya and Lyss, rather than Lys and Issa, in other places as well. There is only one location found currently that denotes the twins' names being Lys and Issa (furthermore, this also goes against gw1:Mirror of Lyss and other Lyss-named locations in GW1, what with being 1 s). Konig/talk 18:12, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Moth trivia[edit]

Is it really relevant? The moth presumably takes its name from the Greek deity, which would be more pertinent as trivia. The GW1 wiki mentions the Greek Lyssa. -- User Nineaxis Icon Mesmer.jpg Nineaxis (talk) 21:33, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Agreed, updated. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 21:59, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Twins who are One[edit]

I've been thinking. The article currently says "She is in actuality twins, Ilya and Lyss, who are often depicted being intertwined. Usually, however, they are spoken of as one entity." Do we know for sure that this is the case -- that is, that she's literally two entities, but people simply refer to her as one -- and that she isn't literally a single entity? Maybe she was originally two women before merging to become a singular goddess, or maybe she's just a paradox. Unless there's a snippet of lore I'm missing, I think we should rewrite this line to allow for other possibilities. --Idris (talk) 04:28, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

So I dug and found out I'm the one who worded it that way, over 5 years ago, just after the game's release when we learned the individual's names. I don't think I was assuming anything, just trying to denote that the twins which make up Lyssa are individually called Lyss and Ilya.
However, that said, if Lyssa was an individual with two bodies or the like, then she'd have but one name not two (Lyss and Ilya) with a nickname for the pair (Lyssa). Though I don't think we have explicit lore stating they are of two separate minds, they are always depicted as two bodies (and as identical twins) and have individual names.
That said, feel free to reword it. Konig (talk) 05:30, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
Dunno if it helps any but Kasmeer says "And his mirror. It was special—enchanted by Lyssa herself" in Taimi's Pet Project and Parables of the Gods says "From out of the darkness, there stepped a child into the campfire's light. And she said, "I am Lyssa, and I have come to teach you what is illusion and what is truth." Seeing as how she's the goddess of illusions to, maybe the twins use one appearance to appear to mortals? I dunno, it feels like a riddle we're not supposed to figure out because there's no head hurts now. Back to the safe world of not-lore and skritt logic. - Doodleplex 05:38, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
"they are always depicted as two bodies" -- not always! What about the Avatar of Lyssa? I know that was likely a single entity for gameplay reasons, but Balthazar still turned out to be pretty damn close to his Avatar. Thanks for checking, anyway. I was assuming that it was just a poor choice of words rather than a confirmed lore thing, but I wanted to be sure before I made the change. :) --Idris (talk) 06:53, 19 October 2017 (UTC)