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should past information like that we gleaned from nightfall be added here? While backround is interesting, I'd have to imagine that it's fairly irrelevant compared to her got status which will likely be more relevant in GW2.Bob fregman 22:41, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

The fact that she lost her eyesight screams importance to me. -- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png 22:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
That's just a cheap excuse for her not helping you in the later NF missions. :P Lord Belar 00:07, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Armond. There was no need for her to get gouged of sight. Calor (t) 00:50, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Very cliche but their could be the god/goddess that were once mortals of sight, sound, taste, touch, and smell xD 01:14, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
The blinding part was done for various quotes later on I believe. Along with Abaddon's torture. There are theories on why that was done, and several quotes on Kormir and being blind. -- Konig Des Todes 03:02, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Maybe it was because Abaddon would feast on her eyes! Paddymew 14:04, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I think its quiet selfish. we did all the work and she jumps in last minuite and gets the god status. what a bitch. Dagnir
Old pointless complaint is old and pointless. (seriously, get over it, the game (both lore and mechanics) would be broken if every PC became a god at the end of Nightfall - that, or godliness would be literally nothing) -- Konig/talk 01:35, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
changed description slightly to read "where The Hunger one of Abbadon's demons rendered her blind." but forgive my senility but was it even The Hunger that blinded her or just some dude in the fortress that was holding her prisoner ? feel free to revert ( I wont revert war lol ) if I am incorrect :P Bob soddoth 01:33, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
I have no doubt that this will become a grammar fight. EiveTalk 01:40, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) In the end cinematic of the Consulate Docks mission, you can see the Hunger seemingly eat Kormir's corpse (at the head, too, I believe) - of course, it turned out Kormir lived, obviously. It was also stated that it was a demon (never given a name) that ate her eyes. @Eive, what do you mean a grammar fight? All that was changed was "the hunger" to "The Hunger" which is correct (well, the "the" is questionable). -- Konig/talk 01:44, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
What I meant was that Bob edited it, then I did, and I knew someone would edit my edit. (Which did happen) I was fairly certain this was going to become another long grammar discussion. (Also, it wasn't directed at you Konig, I think I made my comment here before you edited) EiveTalk 01:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC)


She's still not a full-fledged god listed along with Lyssa, Melandru, Dwayna, Balthazar, and Grenth. Seems like after 250 years she'd have been a little more cemented as an actual god and part of the world with followers and such to be listed with the others. Maybe that's just me.

Maybe. It has been noted that the "human gods" haven't been seen around much in the 250 years since Primordus showed up. She might not have had much time to earn a following since her ascension. We'll have to wait for more information - like for everything about Gw2. :) --Aspectacle 21:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
As proven by the Dragon Festival, Kormir is a known "True God" among Tyria. While she might not have had time after 80 years after EN *approximated time of Primordus' awakening after the Great Destroyer's death*, she would be known as a God and as such would have a following. Most likely primarily being the Sunspears - which we know how they ended up. -- Konig Des Todes 03:02, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Too bad even after obtaining godhood, she's still useless. Can't (or won't) even help her own Sunspears, the very people that helped (or did all the work) her become what she is now? What good is that? What a pathetic god. 02:32, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Kormir's great legacy: -- Dashface User Dashface.png 02:22, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Funny. EiveTalk 02:25, 27 September 2010 (UTC) Mikalash 07:29, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Any reason[edit]

this is not relevant to GW2? 23:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Her significance or role in Guild Wars 2 is unknown. As the article is now, it just explains stuff that happened in the original series. There's a whole 'nother wiki for that. --User Pling sig.png Pling \ talk 00:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Spoiler Alert!

She's a god after all... --- Ohaider!-- (s)talkpage 10:37, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, but the article as it is now has little relevance to Guild Wars 2. GWW can serve for Guild Wars backstory. --User Pling sig.png Pling \ talk 13:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

We should renaim to "godess of truth" or whatever than

No. We have articles on the other wiki (and here?) for Balthazar, Melandru, etc., not God of War, Goddess of Earth, etc. Calor Talk 01:34, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Apparently, she is as important as the other gods, as in the demo videos for character creation she has been showed equally alongside the other gods.... Spotina Talk 01:47, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Redeemed Realm[edit]

I'm just curious, how do we know about this "Redeemed Realm." i'm not good at keeping up with news and interviews, but even so i'm confused on this idea. i'm any1 would mind telling me, i'b be happy to hear it.Akbaroth 23:21, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

There was a small discussion about it on [[Talk:Redeemed Realm]]. It could be a redeemed version of the Realm of Torment area that Kormir built up after Abaddon's fall. --User Pling sig.png Pling \ talk 00:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
The name was pulled out of the gw.dat and is supposedly a reformed version of the Realm of Torment. But it is not known to be canon just yet. Like Arachnia, the supposed "unnamed" predecessor of Abaddon.-- Konig Des Todes 03:02, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Goddess of Order, Spirit, and Truth[edit]

Will she become a patron of Ritualists? -- 05:12, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Possible, however it seems to me that "spirit" in this context is more of the line of morale, rather than ghosts/the soul - otherwise she'd be stepping on Grenths' toes. And that's even if ritualists remain. -- Konig/talk 04:34, 9 March 2011 (UTC)


Ok.... So where does he go? He gets sucked up by Kormir, she claims to be able to control him.... Whos to say Abbadon did't break out. That being the reason the gods are so unresponsive? User Necro Shea mo signature.jpg Necro Shea Mo 23:20, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Because he's not imprisoned; he's dead. Aqua (T|C) 23:21, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
He was also not a famous pop group. His name was Abaddon. - 23:41, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure hes not dead... I'll get a quote.... User Necro Shea mo signature.jpg Necro Shea Mo 01:04, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
"In a video interview, Jeff Grubb states that Abaddon is dead and will not return." in the notes section from here. --Xu Davella 01:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Xu beat me to it. --ஸ Kyoshi User Kyoshi sig2.png 01:15, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
{ec}}x2 Jeff Grubb has stated in two interviews (older one being 2008 PAX panel videos found on Anet's youtube account (edit:Which is the video interview mentioned on the gw1w page)) that they had to kill him despite Grubb himself wanting to redeem him. He's dead. Dead dead with no return. And his subconscious seems to have been absorbed by Kormir. The gods became unresponsive after Nightfall according to some old '09 interviews. -- Konig/talk 01:18, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks!!!! User Necro Shea mo signature.jpg Necro Shea Mo 01:20, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Kormir's words pre-godhood must have really hurt them. - 01:22, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Indeed, he always fought alone and he lost. --Riddle 03:42, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


shouldn't the picture be of her in her god state? that is more currently relevant to gw2... 03:26, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

See [[File talk:Kormir.jpg|discussion on the image]]. Basically it's a placeholder until we get a GW2 image - same with the other images (which are in fact of GW1 dervish forms). Konig/talk 03:33, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
All right, :) 14:41, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
That really does not look like Kormir she was from Elona and definitely was not white. --Charrmander 02:12, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
I didn't know unpainted statues showed skin color. Tbh, Kormir is the only one who makes sense, but its odd that the hair changed and there is no blindfold. But I recall seeing a video or some such with that statue being the new Kormir statue. Konig/talk 03:31, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
that statue and lots of banners/flags(depicting her as seen in GW1 (gold,shiny with blindfold)) are seen throughout the Kormir High Road thus confirming this IS Kormir. (This Info is from the same Vid. Konig's seen, I think.) --you like that don't you..The Holy Dragons 06:21, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Keep in mind it's likely people forgot what Kormir looked like, especially with not having access to Elona and the Chantry of Secrets where a faithful statue was held. -Alarielle- 18:17, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
That's an excellent point. Gods were supposed to be differently depicted in different continents (in lore), but ArenaNet just recycled the statues over the campaigns (nothing wrong with that, it's understandable). Mediggo 18:41, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
it's a good but invalid point as the flags/banners I mentioned earlier on depict Kormir as seen in GW:NF at this very moment I'm searching for this very video and I'll post a link once I find it. --you like that don't you..The Holy Dragons 19:07, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
With regard to the statue which is the current picture on the page, that is the same statue found in the Plaza of Kormir as shown beginning at 9:25 in this exploration video of Divinity's Reach. Redshift 19:50, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Where did order and spirit come from?[edit]

She is only given the title "Goddess of Truth" as far as I can find so where did the other two come from? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk).

In the demos in the human character creation you can choose which god you were blessed by, the text with the choice of Kormir says she is the goddess of truth, order and spirit. - Giant Nuker 17:20, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
okay then, thanks. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk).

Redeemed Realm no more?[edit]

During one of the charr personal storylines, Scrapyard Dogs, you can talk to Smodur the Unflinching in which he says "What in the Realm of Torment are you doing here, grunt? If you're looking for Tribune Goreblade, his is the smaller office. To the left!" - his mention of the Realm of Torment implies that the Redeemed Realm never occurred and was removed from potential lore. Konig/talk 06:23, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Normally I'd agree with you, but this may just be a relic of the past. For example, a common Charr curse seems to be "Burn it!" (equivalent to our "F- it!"), which echoes to me of the time when the Charr were effectively ruled by the Flame Legion. Just a thought. 22:19, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
IRL, plenty of non-religious people (i.e. people who don't believe in hell) use the expression, "What the hell?" Same thing here, the charr don't believe in human gods, so why would a charr use that phrase in the first place? It's a simple idiom that has traveled between cultures. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 22:33, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
the realm of tourment exists and is not just an idea, remember, there was a charr npc there, so i suppose the charr know of it Getefix (talk)