Talk:The Shatterer/Archive 1

Category

How about Category:Dragons? ***EAGLEMUT*** TALK 18:39, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I already did it. He is a dragon, hence Martin's quote of "...and he is a special rank of dragon...". However, I am fairly certain there will be more of these rank dragons and they will eventually get their own sub-category. — Gares 18:44, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Like this one 2010_August_39. ge4ce 18:46, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Name

We assumes that The Shatterer is a Dragon general, The Shatterer and The Great Destroyer, the names are very similar, will other Dragon generals have cool names like those?--AdventurerPotatoe - 19:03, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

The Shatterer, according to Martin, is a rank. -- Konig/talk 19:05, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

so there could be more then 1 shatterers? --The Holy Dragons 19:06, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

There could be more than 1 Great Destroyers. If you look at the wings and tails of both of them, the two look pretty similar. The Shatterer could be the name for Kralkatorrik's general rank, while Great Destroyer is Primordus' general rank. -- Konig/talk 19:14, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

love that idea (makes me hope there will be a general for every elder dragon :D) --The Holy Dragons 19:16, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

"Kralkatorrik's general rank" and "Great Destroyer is Primordus' general rank" , it sound like you're saying that it's Kralkatorrik's/Primordus' ranks, but you meant(atleast I think you did) mean "Kralkatorrik's general's rank" and "Great Destroyer is Primordus' general's rank" , I just added this to the discussion so none would misunderstand, or maybe I'm completely wrong and sux at english. :P --AdventurerPotatoe - 19:41, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Generals' rank actually. -- Konig/talk 19:48, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I have a concern about this quote: "The Shatterer, according to Martin, is a rank". I looked at his recent posts on Guru, and I could not find where Martin stated The Shatterer is a rank. The one that sticks out most is ""No, the Dragon is The Shatterer, a special rank of dragon that terrorizes the Dragonbrand,"". In that quote, he states that it is a dragon and the dragon itself is a special rank.

It would be a fair assumption to say that each dragon does have a high ranking dragon leading their armies, such as the Great Destroyer (stated as Primordus' greatest general) and the Shatterer more than likely being Kralkatorrik's high ranking equivalent to the Great Destroyer.

I still think there is only one dragon at the top posing as an Elder Dragon's second-in-command, possibly a lesser dragon rank below them, and then minions. — Gares 20:14, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

So, the dragon is a special rank of dragon? -- Konig/talk 20:27, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

It sounds like it. Perhaps there is a tier system like General, Shatterer, Some lesser form, then corrupted minion. Kinda like the charr hierarchy.--Emmisary 20:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

That's how I read it, Konig. That the dragon's actual name is the Shatterer and he has a rank, but Martin did not comment on what the name of that rank is. Assuming he is the equivalent of the Great Destroyer, his rank is general of Kralkatorrik's forces. — Gares 20:43, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh never mind me then I misinterpreted that.--Emmisary 20:45, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Before I knew what it was I thought it was one of Glints relatives. --AdventurerPotatoe - 22:16, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

speculation

complete and utter speculation, but does anyone else think he looks like glint? Glint is a crystal dragon afterall, maybe shes a decendant of Kralkatorrik that didnt go nap nap?

He looks like 100 times more evil than the innocent Glint tbh. ***EAGLEMUT*** TALK 23:24, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

He looks nothing like Glint. Nothing, at all. Glint's blue, btw. >.> -- Konig/talk 23:34, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

He does look quite like a Margonite. He appears to be made of some purple glow, with an exoskeleton armour around it, much like the Magornites. They're probably unrelated though. --91.107.132.225 00:09, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

General of Zhaitan, conjured from magical remnants of Orr? - Infinite - talk 00:39, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

I believe he is simply Kralkatorrik's general. --AdventurerPotatoe - 00:56, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, yes, that's which Elder Dragon I meant, my bad. General of Kralkatorrik! - Infinite - talk 01:05, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

People speculated that Kralkatorrik landed on Glint's lair. I wouldn't be surprised if Kralkatorrik corrupted Glint into the Shatterer. --Riddle 02:40, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

If you ended that sentence after "Glint" I would say that is possible. But the Shatterer is nothing like Glint. For starters, The Shatterer is hollow; it also lacks the "beard", the wings are completely different, and the Shatterer looks like it is made out of some sort of stone. Not Glint. It looks closer to gw1:The Great Destroyer than Glint. -- Konig/talk 03:11, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

looks more like a jade armor or jadow bow from the mursaats to me..... 86.158.215.37 21:19, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Reference

I think we should change the reference to the blog post. http://www.arena.net/blog/walking-the-walk

"And watch out for the dragon, named The Shatterer. He’s a special rank of dragon that terrorizes the Brand. You’ll see him in the demo too." --Thalador Doomspeaker 07:09, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Summary

Since Anet decided to exclude everyone except people in two certain locations across the world, could someone who was there provide a summary of this "encounter", was it a battle or a cutscene or what? 68.193.113.198 01:20, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

It shows a large dragon sweeping down from the sky onto the Dragonbrand. I believe the party of players begin running towards the dragon. I actually thought it was Kralkatorrik until I came here. Eive 01:24, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

The IP means can people who is going to Gamescom and/or PAX (or has gone to Gamescom as it already stated) explain what the encounter with it will be. However, we know it will be a battle thanks to Anet. -- Konig/talk 02:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Wow... Why not just demo the Zhaitan encounter ffs? 68.193.113.198 00:14, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

cuz they dont wanna spoil EVERYTHING--Icyyy Blue 00:31, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Because Zhaitan is the end boss of the initial release (dunno why Anet decided to explicitly state such tbh). It would be like demo'ing Abaddon in the Nightfall open beta. You only demo the beginning or little-relevance big foes (like Rotscale). -- Konig/talk 00:35, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm just sort of disappointed that they're handing out something like this so readily... and only to certain people. It's THE SHATTERER in the middle of the DRAGONBRAND... This is not Rotscale Jr. out in the middle of no where. I'm sincerely hoping this is not a battle and it's rather just some cut scene. I think Anet's Nuclear Hype&Innovation Machine is powerful enough to sell enough copies without spoiling this much. Also is it just me or do all these modern "next gen" video games look like everything is sculpted from shiny plastic? 68.193.113.198 03:52, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) The Shatterer is more than likely nothing more than a powerful boss in some dynamic event. Not a storyline enemy (seeing how the storyline focuses on Zhaitan, not the other dragons). And we were told that the Shatterer will be fought - it just isn't a big spoiler boss, it's just an epic boss, there's a difference. As to the "only to certain people" - Martin said there will still be an online beta closer to release. So it isn't like this isn't something out of the ordinary. You're just over-reacting. -- Konig/talk 20:05, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

The Shatterer is a special event boss you can fight in the demo, the devs said they dumbed down his power in the demo then what it will be in the final game to make people have fun. Also, from what im seeing the the demo it looks like an incredibly fun boss fight. 85.114.54.166 15:31, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I thought they said they made the Shatterer appear more often, not that they dumbed him down. Though I suppose both could of happened. -- Konig/talk 20:32, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

There was an interview where they said they made the shatterer weaker than what he would be in the original game because of people who may not know how to play the game, I dont know the name of the video, but it was on the guild wars 2 guru, it was an interview.(cant sign my name on this pc, the sign wont work on the keyboard, hotel computer) --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.114.54.166 (talk).

Origin

Well,he was "created" by Kralkatorrik,i guess. But there's other thing that intrigue me.He looks like Margos and Mallyx (purple light emitation,like all of Dragonbrand stuff),so i guess Abaddon was also "infused" by the power of the Edler's one. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.25.218.117 (talk).

Not a new hypothesis and unrelated to the Shatterer, tbh. -- Konig/talk 20:32, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

He looks like Deathwing. I've run Dragon Soul long enough to recognize that dragon. Not to mention the unoriginal name. Deathwing, I know DS was the worst Raid in the history of WoW as well as your own boss battle being the easiest, but running away into another game is not the answer. You're going Turbo, bro! -- Random Guy --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.104.27.211 (talk).

Champion

since glint died I think the shatterer is the new champion for kralkatorrik. I mean primordus got a new champion after the great distroyer, so why not Kral? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 79.183.6.57 (talk).

I thought this page would be safe from spoilers...Manifold 16:05, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Tagged. :( - Infinite - talk 18:13, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

The shatterer is a mere lieutenant. We don't know if any Elder Dragon has a current champion. It took nearly 250 years for Primordus to get a new one (It is stated in EoD that the Destroyer of Life is a recently made champion, I believe) -- Konig/talk 21:26, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Discussion revive! So why is it still there if we have no idea if he really is a champion?--Mark, het Beest 10:13, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

He is called a champion in the demo, however the demo was out of date by the time we saw it and him being called a lieutenant is newer. It's possible he is both, it's possible he's just one. Konig/talk 16:44, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Lieutenant & Champion

So are they the same or is there a difference? --Draaky 11:01, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

it's not the same. User:The Holy Dragons --31.151.75.38 11:16, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Then waths the difference between the 2? --Draaky 12:12, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Not all champions are lieutenants, not all lieutenants are going to be champions. A lieutenant is a military rank, a champion is just a creature underneath the Elder Dragon which is capable of corrupting others (that's what we know for the time being, at least). There's probably a bigger difference, but we just don't know. Konig/talk 15:44, 5 July 2011

Even if the Shatterer is not Kralkatorrik's champion, it is definitely one of the elder dragon's lieutenants. 62.197.173.242 12:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC)