Talk:Living World Season 3

Current Events Prelude

Since it seems like the events in the Current Events achievements are definitely acting as a sort of prelude for this season (obviously to anyone paying the slightest attention), are we planning on adding text about the ley line disturbances, anomalies, bandits and the rising human-first mentality being spread (the posters)? I haven't done all of them yet so I wasn't going to yet, at least for now, but it feels like this should be mentioned for the story for this season. Vahkris (talk) 00:00, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

I just started it off as simple as I could, so feel free too. Not to mention I though those were just them giving us new things to do every so often, never dawned it was hinting at the next part of the story. Derp. - Do_odleplex 00:14, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Well then, I rescind my "obviously" statement. :P If I find some time I'll see about adding something. Vahkris (talk) 04:09, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Feedback 2016/09/25

Is this part of vainglory?? --172.103.217.35 01:16, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're referring to? —Ventriloquist 10:04, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Zone Listing 2017/08/27

Hi all, hope it's ok to include the list of LS3 zones on this page. This makes the LS3 setting more quickly visible, and is also one of the things prospective new and returning players are most interested in. New maps represent significant development efforts and are worth highlighting a bit more, imho. Kurtosis (talk) 01:11, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Not entirely sure if I like it since the areas are touched on in the story summary as you read. If anything I think I'd rather move that stuff to the bottom as Notes, since that just looks a little strange up top. I might remove the map currency too, doesn't seem to fit as relevant for a story summary page. - Do_odleplex 01:27, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Also while the new fractals were released along with LWS3 content, they really have nothing to do with the plot like the previous "new" fractal did for LWS2(or 1? whichever had Ellen Kiel visit fractals), so I don't see the point in them being listed or the fractal section needing to be here. - Do_odleplex 04:04, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Do we have a page where information like this is stored? I agree that the fractals aren't precisely related to the main storyline, but they were released in tandem with the HoT story. Heck, the raid can be completely ignored as well, as it's not necessary to play to understand the living story. Unless we have another, just as easily accessible and convenient, page that summarizes the full additions of the game's open/living/ongoing story, I think this page is a pretty good place to put it. It's a neat summary as well, and doesn't take up too much space. If I were a returning player, and I wanted a summary of the story, I would be ok with finding information on the multiple story lines introduced into the game while I was gone.

Edit: Maybe if the fractal/living/ongoing stories were seperated by type? I think we can agree that the raid has relevance, but it's not exactly in the story journal.--Rain Spell (talk) 04:17, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

I have no strong preference where on the page it should go, it just seemed a natural addition to Setting. But if it's better in Notes, that's fine too. And yes I wasn't sure whether to include Fractals or not since they're not obviously related to the LS3, but I did only because they're already included in the story writeup below. Seemed best that if they're included in one section, they should be in the other too. Wasn't sure about the map currency icons either, only included those b/c it seems other things on the page have icons associated with them, but they're not essential. @Rainspell, I searched the wiki for a list of new maps and couldn't find it very clearly consolidated in one place. It's on the content updates page, but there's a lot of additional stuff mixed in, lots to parse. Didn't see it anywhere else. Kurtosis (talk) 04:30, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps we should split it so there's one overview for everything that was released as a result of a living world season and one for the summary? - Do_odleplex 04:33, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Sure. The two use cases I had in mind were to more quickly show at a glance where in the game world the story takes place, and to consolidate a list of major development efforts associated with LS3 that I could link to prospective returning players wondering if PoF is worth buying for the story content. The amount of "free" content with LS3 is a good testament to that. I'd like to preserve those objectives if at all possible, but happy to defer to however you think best to organize it.

Collecting some pages that we might want to pull from/update:

• Story summary - Currently a disambiguation page that we might want to utilize. I think each major story Arc should have its own page. We could expand this page to include proper summaries of each story as they fit, and then link to the actual page?
• Living World Season 1, Living World Season 2, Living World Season 3
• The Story Journal page has kind of a summary, but it doesn't mention Raids or Fractals.
• The Fractals were introduced as part of The Lost Shores. While it seems the Consortium isn't really involved anymore, there isn't much Lore on the fractal page either.
• It seems that the Raid pages don't have a summary of the basic raid plot. If you aren't in a static, you'll rarely run through a raid straight through (skipping around), so creating a page for a summary is probably a good idea.

I guess the question is what should the pages be called? We can just link to it from each individual Story Journal/LS#/whathaveyou once they're done.

Story Summary (repurpose the page), Season Summary, and Story (currently a redirect page) are my suggestions. --Rain Spell (talk) 07:28, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Side Story separation

While I'm not against separating out the Side Stories from the main chapter releases, I feel like the stories that link back to the main story, like the Transfer Chaser indicating that Primordus was moving southwards, or how the Forsaken Thicket wings brought back the White Mantle before the reveal that Caudecus was the leader, should have some kind of time marker, just to point out how they fit into the main timeline. The side stories that don't tie back, like the time rifts around Gillscale Pond, can be left as is. Probably also needs better formatting than I'm skilled at. --Rognik (talk) 06:58, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm rather against the move since it showed events in order and... now doesn't. Even with timestamps, it feels off. Konig (talk) 10:51, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm actually against the move too, since it pulls the events out of context. Now you'd need to do all this extra writing and detail to have them make sense in the flow when leaving them where they were takes care of that for you and made more sense in the narrative flow to boot. Some of the side stories happened at multiple intervals, too (Justice of the Blade, for example), so pulling them out makes you lose the progression that climaxed in The Head of the Snake. Rename them from Current Events to their storyline threads, absolutely, but I think they should stay in their timeline locations with the rest of the episodes. Vahkris (talk) 14:18, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Considering there's 2 votes against, I undid the changes to the Side Stories and renamed their subtitles. I couldn't find an achievement tied to the time rifts, so I labeled it "Unnamed". If anyone knows of a better name, either temporary or official, please do fix it. --Rognik (talk) 18:55, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

The Rifts storyline, or whatever it is, unfortunately has no name so far. There's not even an achievement associated with it. Closest name I could give you is just plain "Rifts" or "Unstable Rifts". I'm hoping they continue it soon and give it a proper name because it's just weirdly sitting out there. Vahkris (talk) 14:51, 14 November 2017 (UTC)