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Redlink Vanquished!

Redlink Begone!--Neil2250 , The Zoologist User Neil2250 sig icon5.png 18:13, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Redlink killer! What did it ever do to you? Anyway I was going to be more and more active overhere, but you guys seems to have everything covered article wise... Shadow Runner 19:39, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


Hai ty for the welcome!! KeLLiUser Kelli8421 SigPurplemusic.jpg 18:13, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Your userpage

'tis beautiful. /commends you ПALANA 21:00, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

"/Worships userpage" is just sooo awesome Aquadrizzt My Contributions 01:28, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
/takes things too far: I would now like to dedicate this topic to the reveration of Shadow Runner's magnificent user page. bueheheh ПALANA 01:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks guys, but I lifted the coding from Shew and Phnzdvn, with inspiration from Cyan as well, so credit should go to them more than me. Feel free to continue the worshipping though ;) Shadow Runner 08:53, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
I like it when my 'seductive' userpage inspires people.. -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 09:21, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
It was more the intro-page linking onto a main page to be honest Cyan :D Shadow Runner 13:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Thats what you say.... -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 15:32, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Are you kidding me?

Serious? Why is the | key missing on your keyboard? Where did you buy that one (Or are you at college)? -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 14:22, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I bought this one in Holland, and it's mapped wierd. According to my keyboard, there should be one but the key produces a ~ Shadow Runner 14:48, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Maybe you pressed Ctrl+Shift when you were typing, if you press that again it should be normall.. And always put you keyboard settings on international, if you use the Dutch version you will have some weird side effects. -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 16:11, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Oh thanks Cyan! I set it to US(international) And it works fine. That bugged me for ages! Shadow Runner 16:42, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
I have to admit that I had that problem for ages when I bought my new computer ^^ -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 20:40, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


ive done the archive box page, but the 999 line manual page is basicly extending the 3 line 'usage' section on the template page. so ive put a delete tag on it. if you want to keep it, move it to your userspace.--NeilUser Neil2250 sig icon5 Anti.png 15:05, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

It'll be fine to delete. Thanks again. I was making it far more complex than it needed to be. Shadow Runner 15:05, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


You're like an ex-Dutchie? ;D --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 22:13, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Sort of. I was in Holland for 4 1/2 years (12 - 17). I still can't speak the language though. I CAN read it, but only to an extent. Shadow Runner 10:57, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Dus, je kunt dit lezen? =3 Also, what's the Council of Twilight? xD --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 20:15, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I can read that. Council of Twilight is a GW1 guild i'm in that we're hoping to carry to GW2, but it might merge with some alliance guilds so i'm not making any pages or anything yet. Cyan is in it :D Shadow Runner 20:41, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Yeah,... Making guild pages on the wiki is probably a thing of the past. I already asked it here, but there seems to be a consensus AGAINST having the Guild namespace D: --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 20:43, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Council of Twilight

What do you think? -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 14:46, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
User Cyan Light Council of Twilight logo.jpg

I like it! Very nice! Shadow Runner 14:47, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Although the colors are way better in the Illustrator file... -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 14:48, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
I was going to start the guild page, but I don't know where to start/how to format it. I was thinking of using my userpage layout but i'm not too sure. Shadow Runner 17:40, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Cough*.. if an allience is posible, wanna make one? i mean like. Council of Twilight with The Roof Runners? (or make it one entire guild, The Council of twilight roof runners :P)--NeilUser Neil2250 sig icon5 Anti.png 16:01, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm not a senior officer. We're not even sure if CoT is continuing to GW2 or if it'll merge with our alliance. Best off asking Cyan, who can then discuss with other officers/leader in game. Shadow Runner 16:07, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Mhm. im just thinking many dif. guilds will split off in dif. possitions/alli's , so why dont we keep a minor wiki community in one alli? :P --NeilUser Neil2250 sig icon5 Anti.png 16:10, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
No, just no. Call me conservative, but I alraedy know what the answer will be if I even try to discuss this for my leader/officer crew. We will stick by our same alliance, because Im almost sure that will reïncarnate. -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 22:31, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

user page

I like your user page! Most of all the images. So captivating. Er not the sniper picture, but that other picture. Ariyen 21:32, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! The image on my front page? That image is a product of boredom, photoshop and Glad you liked it! Shadow Runner 21:34, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I was working on another one to replace the sniper, but I grew fond of it :D Shadow Runner 21:44, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
May I borrow that image to do a morph? You might like... Ariyen 00:44, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Go ahead! What is the point in making images if other people can't use them too? :D Shadow Runner 08:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
I did the following morphs -> this, this, this, this, this, and the last one - this. Oh, and the one on my talk page. Ariyen 08:40, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Feel free to use any of my images, though I'd appreciate it if some credit was redirected back to me :D Shadow Runner 08:42, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
File:User Ariyen ShadowRunner.gif Here you go. Ariyen 09:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
That's pretty sweet! Thanks! Shadow Runner 19:12, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Just a note, I moved that image to File:User Ariyen ShadowRunner.gif to follow image naming conventions. --Kyoshi User Kyoshi sig.png (Talk) 01:06, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Here's a couple of files I did. here and here. Ariyen 17:02, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Was just wondering

Seeing as how complex your monobook.js is xD, could you post a screenshot? --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 14:15, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Here you go. User Shadow Runner Screen1.png Shadow Runner 14:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
The coding adds the links to the top there, next to the clock. Shadow Runner 14:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Kk :). So, I see you're quite good at the coding for the monobook,... So, could you help me with mine? I tried to add links as was described on Poke's usertalk, but,... It doesn't quite work D: --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 15:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Copy the first bit as well. The * Links in "user row" bit. You need everything on my page, then just customise the links. Shadow Runner 18:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
But then I'll get extra links on top, and not in the toolbox, right? --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 17:30, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Yes. If you want toolbox links, go find this guy. I recall he uses toolbox ones. Not too sure though. Shadow Runner 17:38, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


"Together, we are unstoppable.." That is so symbolic, especially combined with you previous head-up message. =) I like it, suits the image very well! -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 10:10, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I really like it as well. The image just makes itm even more meaningful! Shadow Runner 10:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

To all you wiki-code knowing people out there:

I'm trying to make the bottom box on my userpage collapsible (AKA show/hide) but can't find a way to do it. Anybody mind helping? Shadow Runner 21:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

See this code:
Chriskang 22:17, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Or {| style="background-color:#DCDCDC; border:2px dashed #BC8F8F; width:205px; height:310px; class:expandable;" align="center" Ariyen 22:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your help, but it seems that neither of those methods work with my table... Shadow Runner 10:15, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


Your coding on the guild page is so difficult that Im not even able to change the typography! Can you make it understandable or at least change the text in your table to normal arial? That is better to read. -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 12:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

It appeared normal on my screen, but the coding is a bit messed up as you say. I think I have fixed it though. Shadow Runner 12:41, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
You did. Thank you =) -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 12:42, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Your "sketch"

this one. I can tell it is a screenshot from GW1 (or a really good artist), so what affects and what program did you use in order to get that look? Curious because I may steal the idea for my own userpage. -- Konig/talk 17:05, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes it is a screenshot. To get it, I first used Salome's texmod tool to make the dye preview window have a white background. I then used to give it the sketch look. Shadow Runner 17:08, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Actually with that one, I didn't use the texmod tool. I just screenshotted in the dye preview window. Shadow Runner 17:09, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Again, smart people are needed!

Since I fail epically and have forgotten a lot of wiki code, how would I make my userpage stay with the 3 images in a row regardless of window size? At the moment when viewed in a smaller window the images go on top of one another. Shadow Runner 17:26, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Already fixed for you. At least on my screen. Just added a |315px before the |link= to both side images. -- Konig/talk 17:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Edit: There should be a way to turn the size into a percentage so that it'll change based on the screen. But for images, I don't know how to do that - I only know how to do that to templates. -- Konig/talk 17:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
The problem still persists when I make the window thinner but thanks anyway. I'll keep looking into it! Shadow Runner 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Nevermind, I fixed it! Tables are the key! Shadow Runner 17:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Your new design isnt visable on my screen, too big =( -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 17:44, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
My userpage is being systematically raped by various people :D And I think someone just fixed that for you Cyan. What resolution monitor do you have? Shadow Runner 17:47, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
I didn't rape anything! D: I just made the image link directly instead of a messy #REDIRECT =3. --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 17:48, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
I noticed the mousover text is gone since you did that... Shadow Runner 17:49, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) I can't get a word in edgewise here, lol. I was the one that corrected the image sizing to 200, 400, 200. The images should not be falling off the screen anymore, it was for me as well when set to 315 for the outside images. The line for the mouseover text is still there, but you are right, it doesn't show up. Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 17:52, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Is the mouse-over text that important? I can get rid of the link if you want D: No biggy. --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 18:08, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
El tamaño es bueno ahora, puede ver todo! -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 18:12, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah the size is good :D Shadow Runner 18:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
whynot just get rid of the link and have the image redirect when clicked on Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 22:39, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) That's what I had originally, but I dislike the "Redirected from...." bit. Shadow Runner 22:52, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

hmmm, makes sense Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 23:27, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Its a go!

It is! -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 21:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

? Shadow Runner 21:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
CoT =) -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 22:01, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
I remain confused! Shadow Runner 22:40, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Sigh... Our guild is a go. 3 of the 4 founders want to go further with it in Gw2. =) -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 13:29, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
I thought that's what it was! YAY :D Shadow Runner 13:29, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
And we started to demote, kick, invite, consume, spend and organize the guild to get it (once again) more active. =) -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 13:32, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Excellent! I shall be on GW on a few minutes anyway :P Shadow Runner 13:33, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Don't spend your time on a crappy game like Mass Effect 2 =PP -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 13:38, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
B-b-b-but it's awesome! Shadow Runner 13:40, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Age of Empires II

You still play it every now and then? ;D --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 18:26, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Not really. It's not exactly a legal copy either, to be fair. I lost the disk and had to torrent it. Shadow Runner 18:39, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Doesn't matter, you can still play it online ;D. That game has no license key. Download the The Conquerors expansion and hook me up sometime, we'll play a match :P (Or just mainly chat while I kill NPCs for you, fine with me ;D). --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 18:43, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Also, how did you know? Stalking the forums? Shadow Runner 18:43, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Yes, in fact. I have 1000s of posts on that forum, you expect me not to lurk? :P --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 18:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
STALKER! Anyway, I will do when I get back into that game, but as you can see on my desktop, I have a crapload of other games I play more. Shadow Runner 18:46, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

"Please don't first. It's a waste of time and space."

I'm always above that rule.. However, could you add Susan to our guild page, she is the current leader after all. -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 11:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Haha, indeed you are Cyan! And of course, I'll do that now. Shadow Runner 11:43, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Third'd. Yay for loopholes. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 20:26, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Oh snap! A flaw! *facepalms* Shadow Runner 21:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

"I lost the game!"

Just epic. Almost got a heart attack =P -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 20:14, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, if you lose The Game you have to announce it, right? :D ShadowRunner 20:16, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

TY! i forgot to put user_The_Holy_Dragons in front of my pic. :P --The Holy Dragons 10:34, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

No problem! ShadowRunner 22:14, 12 August 2010 (UTC)


Can I quote this? "I've seen so much necro gameplay my eyes are minions." I love it! :) Ariyen 17:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Go ahead! :D ShadowRunner 17:56, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


Seems I used your name where it shouldn't have been. Why I was thinking you instead of Reaper is beyond me. My apologies. — Gares 15:24, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry about it :D ShadowRunner 19:44, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


Hey, I just wanted to thank you for tagging all of my pic uploads for me! I'm still learning how to use wiki and just figured out how to tag pictures this morning. Then when I went to start tagging my pics I saw that you had already taken care of it. So thank you! Silmelel 13:00, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

No problem! ShadowRunner 13:17, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


I saw it. --Naut User Naut Dark Blue Monk.png 12:22, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Lies. ShadowRunner 12:23, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
I knew you we're going to say that. I just knew it. --Naut User Naut Dark Blue Monk.png 12:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Also lies. Also, would you agree that the slowness of this wiki is annoying? ShadowRunner 12:26, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
I have raged at my mouse so many times, it is unbelievable how stressful it is. But atleast I have this for 50 minutes. --Naut User Naut Dark Blue Monk.png 12:28, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
True, have you seen the HQ video that's split into 3 parts? Very nice quality. ShadowRunner 12:28, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Come on transformice, Nubs. room GW2W, sever en1. cmon.--NeilUser Neil2250 sig icon5 Anti.png 12:30, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Lets do this!

Nobody can say that friends of my are nubs! Slay the witch!! -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 18:08, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I wonder if guilds can declare war in GW2. That would be insanely awesome. ShadowRunner 18:17, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
... ... ...Shit.--NeilUser Neil2250 sig icon5 Anti.png 18:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Dont take it personal, we just create some balance (in our advantage) =P -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 21:42, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

(RI) Not first. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 22:55, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


Do you want this image? File:User Ariyen ShadowRunner.gif. I'm thinking on getting it deleted, if you don't. Ariyen 17:57, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I have it saved, so go ahead. ShadowRunner 18:29, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

ur monobook

since u wont ever look for it on the talk page of ur monobook, am i doing it wrong? plz, i want top links. — Scythe 17:04, 18 Sep 2010 (UTC)

Just copy paste my monobook over yours and change the links at the bottom. ShadowRunner 17:23, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Oh, and ignore the bit from "// install [[Wikipedia:User:Cacycle/wikEd]] in-browser text editor" onwards since that does something else. ShadowRunner 17:24, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
i kno, i use wikiEd for the find & replace, its just embedded in my firefox's greasemonkey, so it dont need to be in my monobook. The other stuff is weird tho, cuz i did & its broke'd :( — Scythe 18:31, 18 Sep 2010 (UTC)
fixed it, forgot a }); on the end :( — Scythe 18:33, 18 Sep 2010 (UTC)


Also, how are you? havnt spoker in a while ;), as for me. im off to bed. night. --NeilUser Neil2250 sig icon5 Anti.png 22:27, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Doing well although college is starting to take its toll on my weariness again, but otherwise no issues. Thanks for asking :D ShadowRunner 22:30, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Regarding PP and the whole "CAJOS" thing.

I don't actually expect anyone to read this, but I feel the need to write some stuff anyway. I could split this up and post relevant pieces on relevant talk pages, but I grow weary of following so many discussions.

Practices and Processes

Seriously guys, I love the idea. I think it's fantastic. Unfortunately, I personally don't believe doing away with all policies was a good idea. As the recent CAJOS discussion has revealed, there are holes/oversights/issues with the whole setup. Some of these are due to user fault, some are faults in the system and some are incorrect interpretations of the system. I stayed out of policy and PP discussions up till now since I believed it was going well. By and large it has but some faults are emerging.

The advantage of policies is they aren't really open to different user interpretations. They were solid rocks which could only be shifted by wikilawyering which was frowned upon anyway. The PP reminds me of a house built on sand (to use that analogy). It's safe enough, but as soon as someone starts messing about cracks begin to show in the foundations. This brings me neatly to the discussion on and about CAJOS' talk page.

The current stuff

Where does the blame lie? The PP? The users on the page? The sysops? CAJOS himself?

From what I can see the sysops are the only high and dry ones here. Everyone else involved, myself included, were at fault during this pointless debate. Venom, myself and Scythe are to be blamed for trying to enforce something which does not exist - no removing of talk page comments. This is something that needs to be addressed specifically in the PP since it's a fairly common issue with new users. I'm not saying we bark at them, as was the case here, but we instead inform new users.

CAJOS' situation was an odd one. Inflamed by both CAJOS and others, the situation escalated beyond anticipation. From what I can see, CAJOS took offense and turned somewhat aggressive. Hostility towards other users, regardless of ones newness to the wiki, should not be tolerated and for this I support Pling's block. Unfortunately, other responses can also be viewed as hostile and that throws my opinions on the whole matter into doubt. One could view my own revert as hostile, or the archive or pretty much any edit.

Noone was wrong on purpose. I'm fairly certain. However, the fact that quite a few of us were wrong by accident shows that something has gone wrong somewhere.

Policies weren't great, but they did the job. We could have at least kept No Personal Attacks or something.

tl;dr. PP is great but has issues, as seen with CAJOS. Everyone was at fault in the whole thing due to the flaws. I was bored and wanted to WoT for the first time.

Sod it, I lost my entire train of thought. ShadowRunner 18:41, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

First thing is that there are too many people involved, on that way you get the classic 'one against the others' situation. And altough the persons in question mean no harm, with the psychological aspects you will create a lot of hostility. With that, you get what we saw in Cajos his situation. I don't think we can without policies, special because what you said above: they did the job. About the block: I dont think Pling misjudged the case, I fully support him in what he did. Cajos crossed the line. Of course it is questionable what the line actually is, and you can discuss that for ever and ever. But therefor we might have policies. -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 19:18, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
One of the ideas about PP is that things that occur that aren't disruptive but were prohibited by policy previously in GW1W shouldn't be met with a harsh response. CAJOS deleting inconsequential messages had no impact on the overall well-being of the wiki. While some "prefer" to archive over delete, nothing stops anyone from deleting messages that says practically nothing, or when the discussion is long over. What went wrong is the false idea that people had about an absolute policy to archive over deleting... there is no such policy... there are no policies here and nothing exists here that needs to be enforced. So, ideally what "should" have happened when CAJOS deleted Venom's welcome message? Nothing. No one should have reacted by reverting it and no one should have said anything, and it would have ended there. When he gets disruptive, don't throw words like policy and the like here since they don't exist... bring attention to it on the admin noticeboard and let the sysops do their job. --Lania User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg20:53, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
"nothing stops anyone from deleting messages that says practically nothing, or when the discussion is long over."
Even if a discussion is long over, it should be kept in case someone wants to link it in the future, Lania :p --User Oneshot O.JPGneshot. 21:03, 28 September 2010.
History remains, diffs can still be linked. Only sysops can actually delete anything. And even that's not deleted, just made unavailable. Felix Omni Signature.png 21:18, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) "So, ideally what "should" have happened when CAJOS deleted Venom's welcome message? Nothing." Unfortunately, the world isn't ideal. People are not ideal, and they can react in ways that cannot always be anticipated. The CAJOS thing is one such example. I'm not actually contesting the removal of the original content. I'm contesting the response to this and the fact that once the ball is rolling, it's often hard to stop. I freely admit I was in the wrong by reverting, but no one person is to blame. ShadowRunner 21:09, 28 September 2010 (UTC) 21:09, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Oneshot, everything stays in the history unless an sysop deletes it, and while it is common practice to archive, nothing here "forces" anyone to archive unlike GW1W.
ShadowRunner, I think some of the problem is the current user community is used to GW1W policies, and expect that the same restrictions exist here. The idea here is to remove arbitrary restrictions that in GW1W caused issues, conflicts, and massive amount of wikilawyering. --Lania User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg21:19, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
That's what happened to me. I assumed the "No deleting comments" system was still in place when I reverted. However, I still believe that one or two policies should still be around or implemented into the PP. This was just a WoT to let my thoughts out, I will likely suggest on the appropriate pages in the future. ShadowRunner 21:22, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure why PP is being brought into this. Do you think the situation would have played out any better if policy existed instead of PP? But... weren't various users misconstruing PP and treating it as if it were policy? Wasn't it then the presence of perceived policy rather than the lack of policy that caused this? The answer seems to be "yes", so how would implementing policy help? pling User Pling sig.png 21:24, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
It could well be such a situation. However, from my personal point of view the PP is slightly flawed in that things like this can occur. If there was a policy, then the perceived error would not have occurred. Of course, every solution has its flaws. The policies were vulnerable to wikilawyering, but sometimes there needs to be a hard line. This may not be the perfect example for such a thing though. ShadowRunner 21:37, 28 September 2010 (UTC) 21:37, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
If there was a policy, then the perception wouldn't be an error. pling User Pling sig.png 21:45, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

"So, ideally what "should" have happened when CAJOS deleted Venom's welcome message? Nothing. No one should have reacted by reverting it and no one should have said anything, and it would have ended there. When he gets disruptive, don't throw words like policy and the like here since they don't exist... bring attention to it on the admin noticeboard and let the sysops do their job. " QFT. He did not disrupt anything, therefore we should not take action. I believe that is the morale PP is trying to get across. Also note, the word archive and/or archiving is not mentioned anywhere on the PP article whereas even if it was, it's not a policy so you cannot enforce anything onto anyone using quotes from it. - Infinite - talk 21:56, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not saying what he did was wrong, at least with the removal bit. Towards the end he was getting disruptive with aggressive comments and overtones but that's more or less it. As to users responding when they shouldn't have, that's just an unfortunate by product of people migrating from GWW as well as human nature. I realise trying to enforce something that didn't exist was wrong, and I mention that in my OP. ShadowRunner 22:10, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
"As the Guild Wars 2 Wiki has developed over time, certain actions, practices and processes have become commonplace." PP. What actions? What practices? What processes? A small list on formatting and a small blurb about conduct? "This article attempts to document common practices that have been agreed upon or proved effective in the past and may prove to be effective in future." Isn't archiving a common practice? Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 22:18, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
I can quote myself and various other contributors' comments that trivial comments should be allowed removal on the user's own accord, as long as it's on their own talk page. So apparently it's not common practise at heart. - Infinite - talk 22:29, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
not saying this discussion shouldn't have happened, but this has been discussed on the AN's talk, Pling's talk, hell, even my own talk (i think). The jist of it is that P&P is broken by user understanding of it, despite that it 'should' work. My personal opinion is policy > P&P but actual consensus > me so... — Scythe 22:57, 28 Sep 2010 (UTC)
No, the problem is that people that migrate from GW1W, PvX, and guildwiki think the "same" policies are in place here. I think some kind of "community" education might be in order... I still think PP will work, but not 100% sure of course... It needs to be given more of a chance, and especially until the editors understand it, since most still don't understand it.--Lania User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg23:08, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
"The jist of it is that P&P is broken by user understanding of it, despite that it 'should' work." above is the expanded version of what i was saying ;\ — Scythe 23:23, 28 Sep 2010 (UTC)
P&P was a big jump from the original idea of policy. People just need to get used to it. This was a speed bump, and I doubt it'll be the last, but it's still just a speed bump. --Kyoshi User Kyoshi sig.png (Talk) 02:28, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Wiki loading issues

Is the wiki slow for anyone or is it my college internet? Would post on bug page, but I think it's just me. ShadowRunner 15:27, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

It's not only you :) User Loquay Sig.png 16:19, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
That's good and bad equally. ShadowRunner 17:20, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
take it you insta-x the annoying things at the top about the intermittent loading issues? D: — Scythe 22:06, 30 Sep 2010 (UTC)
I don't even remember... ShadowRunner 22:11, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
im fine, atm though. diff ISP method is pretty pro (for once). — Scythe 22:58, 30 Sep 2010 (UTC)
Was RC stalking and saw your talk page, anyways I've been having insane loading issues with this site, I find that clearing my cache helps, but so far I'm having to click everything two-three times to get it to work. So you're not alone. EiveTalk 04:24, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


For tagging the images. I always forget which templates I should use,... --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 16:02, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

No problem. It gives me something to do while the wiki is being lolslow. ShadowRunner 16:17, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

No dots on the minimap.

So there's a divide on whether this is a good thing or not. To show my personal opinion, I have devised the following scenario:

Location: The Mists. Durmand Priory fortress. Status: Under siege by Vigil forces.

The fortress was heavily damaged during the last Vigil assault and supplies from the nearest quarry are en-route to assist with repair efforts. In order to safeguard the supply train, 12 Priory soldiers are escorting the carts. Suddenly, as the convoy passes below a short cliff face, an arrow bombardment severely damages the front group. Seconds later, 5 enemy warriors jump down from the cliff face and charge the disorganised convoy. Looking up, a defending necromancer notices several rangers and elementalists raining hell from the cliff-top.

The battle was over before it begun, as the range-boosted attackers make quick work of the forces below.

Now, in GW1, any attempt to attack the convoy would have easily been spotted on the minimap several moments before hand. In GW2 the lack of minimap enemies gives rise to tactics like these, making the game a much more tactical experience. Just my two cents, nothing more! ShadowRunner 22:43, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Making players blind does not magically introduce tactics into the game. -Auron 02:43, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
What that does is introduce disparity among the players. Those with better GPUs can render greater distances and see players before those players see them. Felix Omni Signature.png 05:41, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
This is not true. Render distance in modern games always far outstrips the range at which data is downloaded from the server, even at minimal graphics settings. As that download distance increases, it exponentially increases the amount of data transfer needed, placing a soft cap on the distance possible, which is not true of rendering due to LOD and the fact that only what is on your screen is rendered. --Emelend 13:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Final Fantasy XIV

It's terribad. I strongly suggest you don't buy it unless you're willing to navigate possibly the ugliest menu system I've ever seen. And I play EVE Online. The graphics should hold it, but a poor XP, menu, navigation and server means you'll barely register it. Shame, I had high hopes for it. Back to EVE and waiting for GW2! ShadowRunner 19:08, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

I completely agree, I said this on Wyn's talk page on GW1W, but I'll say it again. Everything in that game just feels very very slow from the interface, travel, combat etc etc... felt like I was still playing a tutorial for hours on end... Did you play the retail version or the beta? I had such high hopes for that game, but considering how the beta sucked ass for me, I'm not going to touch the retail with a ten foot pole. Right now I'm playing Vindictus online open beta, kinda nice for some quick dungeon runs since each one only takes about 10-20 minutes, and it's a very different combat system compared to guildwars. This is what the combat looks like... [1]. I don't think it'll hold my interest until GW2 comes out but it's nice for some distraction... How's Eve online? I keep on hearing about it but I dunno if it's fun or not :/. --Lania User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg20:15, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Played the beta, but every review I have read mirrors my experience. I can't watch your link, because college has blocked youtube (lolwut). EVE online is excellent, but it has an insane learning curve and can be very hard to get to grips with. If you want more, they offer a 2 week free trial, and you can have as many as you want. I had 5 trials before I subscribed ;) ShadowRunner 20:26, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
I say Aion, although it have flaws. Its not that difficult to play, only there is a lot of grinding involved (however they fixed that a bit in the last patch). The graphics are still great in my eyes (although no FF14 graphs), and it really have some nice features. The main thing is that everything is flashy and extravert, you have to like that style. And of course it will eat some of your money every month. But really, it is worth a try =) -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 20:45, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
There's always Lord of the Rings Online, which is now free to play. I should try that. ShadowRunner 07:09, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Bad game, I heard many negative things about it. -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 09:51, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
(Adds self to conversation) I've played LOTRO, it's not too bad actually. EiveTalk 23:01, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

More coding stuff.

Need to sleep so can't figure this out right now, but if anyone could find a way to move this lower box into the space under the pictures, text and archive box above, that would be awesomely helpful :D ShadowRunner 22:55, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

See if this is what you're after here Ariyen 23:14, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Aha! Not quite what I was aiming for but it's certaintly working! I tweaked the width a bit to fit my lolwut monitor resolution though. Thanks for the help :D ShadowRunner 08:47, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
You're welcome. Tried to do what I felt was at least what you might like better than the way it was. Ariyen 20:00, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Since it was bothering me

The image located above most likely wasn't intended for use in the User namespace, but was uploaded to compare the image we currently have for the novel with the one actually released. So wouldn't it be taagged Arena Net image and not for a user namespace? EiveTalk 15:22, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

It would be but it's not actually being used in the mainspace. User <username> named files are in the userspace so if it were re-uploaded as a non-user image then it wouldn't need the user image tag. ShadowRunner 19:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
But it's still an ArenaNet image. This case is similar to screenshots of your characters on GWW being tagged as User Space and Screenshot (ArenaNet image) --Riddle 00:32, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Ah right, fair enough. Then yes, the tag would be added. Sorted. ShadowRunner 08:33, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Userpage art

Hi, just curious where the full/original image is that you used for the main art on your userpage? Really like it.  :) Nice graphics/layout period, actually. Ruse talk (talk) 02:26, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I would assume you meant this? EiveTalk 02:48, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Oooh, yes. Thank you <3 Ruse talk (talk) 03:19, 30 October 2010 (UTC)


If anyone plays it, the Halloween update just arrived! I've already gotten lost in The Nether (hell) :D ShadowRunner 23:23, 30 October 2010 (UTC)


Message: I experience expansion at the other side. Im not pleased. Discussion is needed. End. -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 14:46, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

That's too cryptic Cyan! Get on MSN! ShadowRunner 15:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Sounds like manrape. - Infinite - talk 16:48, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Oh gods! ShadowRunner 17:03, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, that's what I was thinking but didn't want to say it. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 18:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Srs shit! --User Oneshot O.JPGneshot. 22:48, 2 December 2010.