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Hi! I notice that you've been making quite a lot of good edits to the wiki. Have you considered signing up with an account? A recognizable username would make it easier for others to help you out when you need it, as well as protect your edits from getting confused with someone else's who might have the same IP as you. —Idris User Idris signature.png 03:48, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi. I appreciate the comment. Concering creating an account, I see your point but I mostly do edits in quick burts on very specific subjects every now and then. I've done similar work on other wikis in the past and I always preferred just going with the anonymous system since I don't see the point in creating an account for something I'm not fully working on.

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Also, while we're here, concerning the revert for the renegades addition I had made, I'd argue that it's not really speculation, especially for Ryland. In Deeper and Deeper, when you approach the group holding Gorrik, the way they talk to the illusion of Ryland sounds very much like he's in with them, and the group consists of renegades. The group and Ryland were also ordered to do what they did, including Ryland stealing Braham's bow, by Bangar so in my mind it pretty much makes them both evidently Renegades. 04:30, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Fair enough, you don't have to make an account if you really don't want to, though it's not like we get annoyed with accounts who don't edit often or which focus on specific subjects! We understand that different editors have different approaches and activity levels. :) With regards to renegades: I'd argue that the evidence suggests Ryland and Bangar are allied with the Renegades, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're members. I feel we need stronger evidence before we can start presenting the latter as fact, though there's no harm in mentioning the former, so long as we make it clear to readers what the difference is. —Idris User Idris signature.png 05:29, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
For now, this could be the best approach. I haven't read through Bangar's page fully but I thought the lack of references to the Renegades on Ryland's was odd, considering he was more implicated in the ground-level plans. Like you said, stating they're allied/affiliated to them would be the best approach for now until additional content is released. 05:33, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Doppelganger race[edit]

moved to Talk:Phantasm (race)

An admin kicked the convo out of discord and back onto the wiki, so I've moved the discussion to the above talk page. —Idris User Idris signature.png 07:45, 26 November 2019 (UTC)


Just so you know, those cannons are not NPCs. There are a couple of objects that get NPC interfaces, especially during raids, but we do not categorize them(last I checked) as NPCs since they function as objects. - Doodleplex 06:59, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Why wouldn't you? If they use the NPC interface, that should be the only reason needed to classify these as NPCs. They have NPC art, have a specific level and have the targeting UI of NPCs. The functionality of it doesn't matter much, what setup Anet decides to use for them should be more important. 07:04, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
To bring a discussion from discord about this: after verifying via video, these guys fall into the super iffy territory of "prop bosses". Their first iteration (and most common usage) is for NPCs that are too large to animate properly (rotation specifically, being a huge as idiocy) due to their sheer size - e.g., Shadow Behemoth, Tequatl the Sunless, Nightmare Tree. ArenaNet's solution was to make these bosses map props, and slap invisible health-linked objects to specific points on the props (the crossairs). Wiki classifies them as Epic ranked foes. Starting with Season 2, ArenaNet began using this same method on objects that were event objectives, like Vine Crawlers. Because of the yellow names, people tend to use Object infoboxes, but I've tried to make them Epic-ranked foes for consistency.
It's iffy because, mechanically, they are objects. But aside from the fact they're stationary and yellow named, they function like NPCs, and are usually treated like so. This is like the inverse of Supply Cart (Digging Up Answers) and certain Flame Legion Supply Cart\Supply Cart (Flame Legion) (not sure which name it is) which are lorewise "objects", but because ArenaNet wanted them to move, they were made NPCs thus have a red name; but they don't aggro or attack. They're this nice little "middle ground" where it's technically one (object or NPC), but functions like the other. Konig (talk) 11:19, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

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