Talk:Steel Sword

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Feedback 2016/11/03[edit]

I tried the recipe for the Giver's Steel Sword, but instead got a Giver's Iron Sword. I think there's something wrong with the recipes. -- 23:49, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Are you sure you didn't confuse things with Iron Sword, since there is no way that using a steel sword blade resulted in an iron sword; fault of there being a serious bug. -Darqam (talk) 00:19, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
It's recipe 6911 which is producing item 38323, Giver's Iron Sword. It's stats are steel level, but its name is just iron. G R E E N E R 00:41, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Bleh. So rather than move the Giver's SteelIron Sword to the Iron Sword page, I'm just gonna note it here as a typo. --Imry (talk) 03:27, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Wow, no idea where my brain went. I didn't even think of looking for a name parameter. Much appreciated. G R E E N E R 03:34, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Giver's - the pain in the naming arse that keeps on giving. Note that ALL Giver's tier 3 weapons get the tier 2 item naming. The tier 2 Giver's mace gets the Bandit level naming to further the confusion. I haven't seen the same issue with the Giver's armor, but I haven't looked at it in detail yet. Anyone wanna ask ArenaNet about this, and if Anet is content, anyone have batch editing superpowers to update the wiki to note the SICness?
Weapon Type Tier Anet Name Anet ID Query Wiki canonical name Expected name
Mace 2 Giver's Bandit Mallet 38339 Giver's Iron Mace Giver's Iron Mace
Focus 3 Giver's Soft Wood Focus 38407 Giver's Seasoned Wood Focus Giver's Seasoned Wood Focus
Scepter 3 Giver's Soft Wood Scepter 38413 Giver's Seasoned Wood Scepter Giver's Seasoned Wood Scepter
Staff 3 Giver's Soft Wood Staff 38419 Giver's Seasoned Wood Staff Giver's Seasoned Wood Staff
Trident 3 Giver's Soft Wood Trident 38425 Giver's Seasoned Wood Trident Giver's Seasoned Wood Trident
Harpoon Gun 3 Giver's Soft Wood Harpoon Gun 38389 Giver's Seasoned Wood Harpoon Gun Giver's Seasoned Wood Harpoon Gun
Longbow 3 Giver's Soft Wood Longbow 38365 Giver's Seasoned Wood Longbow Giver's Seasoned Wood Longbow
Pistol 3 Giver's Iron Pistol 38371 Giver's Steel Pistol Giver's Steel Pistol
Rifle 3 Giver's Iron Rifle 38377 Giver's Steel Rifle Giver's Steel Rifle
Short Bow 3 Giver's Soft Wood Short Bow 38383 Giver's Seasoned Wood Short Bow Giver's Seasoned Wood Short Bow
Torch 3 Giver's Soft Wood Torch 38395 Giver's Seasoned Wood Torch Giver's Seasoned Wood Torch
Warhorn 3 Giver's Soft Wood Warhorn 38401 Giver's Seasoned Wood Warhorn Giver's Seasoned Wood Warhorn
Axe 3 Giver's Iron Axe 38316 Giver's Steel Axe Giver's Steel Axe
Dagger 3 Giver's Iron Dagger 38353 Giver's Steel Dagger Giver's Steel Dagger
Greatsword 3 Giver's Iron Greatsword 38348 Giver's Steel Greatsword Giver's Steel Greatsword
Hammer 3 Giver's Iron Hammer 38343 Giver's Iron Hammer Giver's Steel Hammer
Mace 3 Giver's Iron Mace 38338 Giver's Steel Mace Giver's Steel Mace
Shield 3 Giver's Iron Shield 38333 Giver's Steel Shield Giver's Steel Shield
Spear 3 Giver's Iron Spear 38328 Giver's Steel Spear Giver's Steel Spear
Sword 3 Giver's Iron Sword 38323 Giver's Iron Sword Giver's Steel Sword
Greatsword 4 Giver's Darksteel Greatsword 38347 Bringer's Darksteel Greatsword Giver's Ogre Longsword
Hammer 4 Giver's Darksteel Hammer 38342 Bringer's Darksteel Hammer Giver's Ogre Breaker
Mace 4 Giver's Darksteel Mace 38337 Bringer's Darksteel Mace Giver's Ogre Bludgeoner
Greatsword 5 Giver's Mithril Greatsword 38346 Bringer's Krait Slayer Giver's Krait Slayer
Hammer 5 Giver's Mithril Hammer 38341 Bringer's Krait Warhammer Giver's Krait Warhammer
Mace 5 Giver's Mithril Mace 38336 Bringer's Krait Morning Star Giver's Krait Morning Star
Jesself (talk) 12:07, 7 April 2017 (UTC) , updated Jesself (talk) 06:16, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Not my domain of expertise; but you can request "batch edits" over on GW2W:BOTS — one of our bot operators will probably take care of the matter. Concerning wiki-related queries targeted at ArenaNet, you may see Guild Wars 2 Wiki:Projects/ArenaNet Q and A. Hope this helps! User Incarnazeus Signature.pngtalk 13:36, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Helpful info for me! Thanks, Incarnazeus! Jesself (talk) 17:32, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
If you don't mind, i'd rather we add a {{bug}} note to the bottom of the page instead of a sic note. Otherwise the "sic" template's contents (which includes the category "Category:Text errors") will show up whenever that item is queried for a name.
For example, using {{cname|Steel Sword#itemct8}} would produce [[Steel Sword#itemct8|Giver's Iron[sic] Sword]] and would place this page into Category:Text errors.
-Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:12, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
or maybe it should be the {{anomaly}} template? -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 19:17, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Until Anet confirms or denies oopsness, I like the notion of using the anomaly template. Jesself (talk) 19:25, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Dunno if ANet is going to confirm an oopsness or not, but this isn't the only Givers weapon with a problem. I can't think of any where the name and skin mismatch, but there are plenty that use the wrong skin for their level and rarity. SarielV 20 x 20px 19:48, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
I just reviewed all of the tier 3 Giver's weapon skins to the respective tier 2 and tier 3 Honed weapon skins; they all match - no anomalies with the skins. Jesself (talk) 21:37, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
All right, I know what happened. Steel/Seasoned Wood skins were a late addition. Before that, all Steel tier skins were Iron and Soft Wood. Givers recipes predate the change, so they never got updated. As for what I was talking about:
ID Name Level Rarity Skin Should Be
38337 Giver's Darksteel Mace 65 Rare Darksteel Mace Ogre Bludgeoner
38339 Giver's Bandit Mallet 35 Masterwork Bandit Mallet Iron Mace
38342 Giver's Darksteel Hammer 65 Rare Darksteel Hammer Ogre Breaker
38347 Giver's Darksteel Greatsword 65 Rare Darksteel Greatsword Ogre Longsword
SarielV 20 x 20px 22:41, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm ignorant of the history of the Giver's and when tiers and skins were added, but all the Giver's skins match the Anet name, which makes sense to me. If the names were updated to match the expected conventional naming scheme, I would expect the skins to be updated to match the name changes. I completed my review of the discoverable weapons through tier 5 and confirmed SarielV's tier 4 darksteel observations and found that the same anomaly exists in tier 5 as well, again with only the greatsword, hammer, and mace. Unlike tier 3, at least the darksteel and mithril names are consistent with the weapon tiers' metal. I have updated my initial table to include the tier 4 and tier 5 anomalies, added a tier level column, an Anet name column, refined the wiki names into the canonical names, added the expected names, and added sortability. Jesself (talk) 06:16, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
Gad, updates to Giver's -> Bringer's, but beyond the prefix, the naming anomalies mostly remain the same (some get worse). Weak sauce. From this worsening of consistency I'm assuming they don't care at about the irregularities and will continue down the path of disorder. Jesself (talk) 05:45, 4 January 2018 (UTC)