Talk:Sons of Svanir

Can we have a source? :o --Santax (talk · contribs) 17:38, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

here :P-- Shew 17:48, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Haha, I need to lern2read. So I guess these guys are Nornbears too? --Santax (talk · contribs) 18:03, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

maybe...maybe other forms as well-- Shew 19:21, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Maybe they simply normal Norn who have turned against the rest of their kind. 86.106.87.209 16:16, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

It's probably a mix. But Svanir did retain his individuality (but with a grand bloodlust) after becoming a nornbear, so I think that they tapped into Jormag's power like he did and become a "nornbear" (/nornraven, /nornwolf, /nornwurm, /nornowl, /norneagle, /nornox, /nornsnowleopard). -- Konig/talk 19:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

maybe, because I'm assuming they "worship" Jormag just like the other norn "worship" bears and ravens and stuff, they transform into (small) dragons? we've seen a charr do it, why shouldn't they? 90.206.126.31 23:30, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

hmmm could be.--Icyyy Blue 23:39, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Svafnir

This might be worth while for the sake of trivia, both Jormungandr (the origin for the name Jormag) and Svafnir (one letter different to Svanir) are names of dragons in Norse Mythology.

Additionally, Svafnir is a serpent that resides in the branches of the world tree, chewing on them. He is commanded by Nidhogg who chews on the roots under the World Tree. If we put this into a Guild Wars perspective. If Svanir takes his eponymous role, then we may discover that the creature under Drakkar Lake, may have the name, which is some variation of "Nihdogg".

Just a thought... 124.170.112.252 13:42, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Svanir exists already.Konig/talk 18:12, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

I am very well aware of this, I even mentioned it in my post... 124.171.195.190 14:59, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

My point was thus: Svanir already exists and while his name may or may not be derived from Svafnir, there will not be a Svanir who takes an eponymous role because Svanir was a norn who was corrupted by Jormag and has been killed (except in the Mists, where he was remade or is a spirit or something), and is very much not a serpent and does not chew on a non-existent world tree. Guild Wars creatures almost never take an eponymous role to their name. Konig/talk 15:54, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Almost never. We have trivia on Kralkatorrik, might as well have this for Svanir. Unless, of course, ArenaNet took his name from a word for plural of swan in Swedish. Mediggo 16:35, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Koning, are you being purposefully obtuse? The roles already fit exactly as I suggested. Just because Svanir is not specifically in the game, having been killed already. That doesn't mean his influence doesn't still exist. Seriously, you need to not be so literal.

Jormag is Jormangandr. The "world tree" is just the world Tyria. The Sons of Svanir are reaching out to grasp the world like a serpent, and are considered corrupters of nature (damaging the tree). SoS are being corrupted by Jormag through his servant in Drakkar Lake. If Under the tree is equated to under the ice, then the creature in the like is the same role as Nidhogg.

Thus the creature will have a name similar to Nidhogg. If this still isn't make sense I'll try again, but I'm really busy at the moment ;)124.148.28.68 11:02, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

I see noconnection between Svafnir and Svanir other than similar name - same with Jormag and Jormangandr other than being a big ass reptile. I disagree with your analogy because you're overgeneralizing how things are. Jormag wants to, effectively, "take over the world" (by making everything in his image like the other Elder Dragons - e.g., freezing everything) and his followers, the Sons of Svanir, are just like little henchmen fulfilling their master's wish. When you go down to such basics you are - a group of individuals damaging the world, then you got almost all fictional works where the world is in danger. And the Sons of Svanir were being corrupted by the champion in the lake, but since Jormag's rise its been him directly (or other champions like the Dragonspawn).

And your analogy makes no sense - first you say the world tree is equivalent to Tyria, then you say under the tree (in full: under the world tree) is the same as under the lake... so Tyria is the lake? Your making multiple arguments to satisfy your own viewpoint.

But even if that all fits, that still doesn't mean the name will be similar to Nidhogg. Norn are based off of norse mythos as was almost everything in the Far Shiverpeaks in EN - even gw1:Jormungand (and Anet rarely names multiple things off of the same inspiration, so Jormag may be a coincidence since there's also gw1:Fenrir). The creature in Drakkar Lake does not need to follow this convention - as shown by the Dragonspawn, not everything related to the norn in GW2 will be based off of norse mythos. For all we know, the creature's name will end up being something of little difference from the Shatterer or Dragonspawn's name - like, let's say, "The Iceinator." It can be anything. Konig/talk 15:26, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

I just had this gripping conversation with a wall... you should have been there... 124.171.236.140 11:50, 10 July 2012 (UTC)